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Paul White

1:34 AM

@bluefeet thanks will check it out

Evan Carroll

2:22 AM

IT IS I, EVAN.

PostGIS is too slow. =(

Evan Carroll

4:51 AM

gawd, any gis guys here?

jcolebrand

@PaulWhite so I managed to get up to 15 during this run ...

Evan Carroll

5:07 AM

when you've been postgising and you learn that = is bounding box equality...

fml.

hot2use

9:41 AM

just flagged this question for closing (Housekeeping):

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Q: SQL Server 2005 Replication

I am in the process of creating Replication between 2 Remote Servers, server 1 is the Distributor and Publisher and server 2 is the Subscription. server 1 windows 2003 server 192.168.10.1 connected by vpn SQL Server 2005 domain1.local server 1 windows 2003 server 192.168.10.1 connected by vpn S...

"This question should be closed and/or deleted, as the question has no answer and is unlikely to be answered because SQL Server 2005 is no longer supported. (Housekeeping)"

Jack Douglas

10:24 AM

@hot2use If the community wants to close it that's fine, but I don't think there is any appropriate mod housekeeping to do

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

SQL Bits is in in April the middle of nowhere: sqlbits.com/Information/…

dezso

10:41 AM

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ interesting

no map, no locality name, nothing

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@dezso locality name?

Andy K

hiya

quick question

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@dezso the home page has "Telford". But yeah, I guess it should have it on the Venue page as well ... And a map or link to a map would be nice

Andy K

I'm trying to figure out a way to find if a varchar column does not start with a digit

the question is for postgresql

I found this,it works but it is bit weird ...

dezso

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ well

Andy K

10:44 AM

SELECT * FROM dw."T13_tablename"
WHERE
(LEFT("Family_code", 1) NOT IN ('0', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'))

then I look further and I found this

SELECT * FROM dw."T13_tablename"  WHERE "Family_code" NOT LIKE '%[0-9]%';

but the new one is only for sqlserver

I would like to know if there is similar as this regex with postgres

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

should be NOT LIKE '[0-9]%'

dezso

@AndyK SELECT 'bhkcdhkbkb' ~ E'^[^0-9]';

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

postgresql.org/docs/current/static/functions-matching.html

Andy K

@dezso worked like a treat

dezso

it needs a different indexing strategy

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ that won't work in Postgres

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

10:49 AM

@dezso I meant that for SQL Server. That the initial % should be removed, for the 2 ways to be equivalent (or almost equivalent)

You can probably also use WHERE ("Family_code" < '0' OR "Family_code" >= ':')

dezso

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ that's true

Andy K

you guys are amazing

simply amazing

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@dezso The ~ is SIMILAR ?

dezso

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ no, SIMILAR TO is a bit different: Like LIKE, the SIMILAR TO operator succeeds only if its pattern matches the entire string; this is unlike common regular expression behavior where the pattern can match any part of the string.

postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/…

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

I think Erwin has an answer which compares the 3 alternatives (LIKE, SIMILAR, regex).

dezso

10:54 AM

so 'bla' SIMILAR TO '[0-9]%' should work, too

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

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Q: Pattern matching with LIKE, SIMILAR TO or regular expressions in PostgreSQL

I had to write a simple query where I go looking for people's name that start with a B or a D : SELECT s.name FROM spelers s WHERE s.name LIKE 'B%' OR s.name LIKE 'D%' ORDER BY 1 I was wondering if there is a way to rewrite this to become more performant. So I can avoid or and / or like?

postgresql performance index regular-expression pattern-matching

So, this should work, too (and maybe the fastest):

WHERE ("Family_code" ~<~ '0' OR "Family_code" ~>=~ ':'`)

and off course

 WHERE NOT ("Family_code" LIKE '0%' OR "Family_code" LIKE '1%' OR ...)

dezso

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ especially suitable for some heapers who love these operators

Paul White

Loving it

Andy K

jeez

that's heavy

wow

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

11:11 AM

yey, one more hat. Epiphany!

Paul White

11:23 AM

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A: Should old questions that have no answers and are "too localized" or "too broad" be closed?

Great question. Here's my $0.05 (I'm giving you more than a tupence so deal with it). If the question is old and good, then answer it if you can. If the question is old and poor but can be edited to be good, then edit it and answer it. If the question is old and off topic then vote for it to b...

@jcolebrand Well played sir.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@PaulWhite any chance you come to present at SQL Bits this year?

Paul White

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ None. Unless I win Lotto or someone invents a transporter.

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ You have one more coming as well. Should suit you fine.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@PaulWhite ah, the "I feel fine!"

Paul White

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ Yes. And if you haven't contributed to any tag wikis in the bash so far, you should consider it.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@PaulWhite my daughter will be excited. She has been asking for that since the hats started.

hot2use

11:41 AM

@JackDouglas Ok. Thanks. The thing is, the question is (well was) valid. It's just going to be in the system and pushed up the queue by community ad absurdum.

@PaulWhite Ok. Might have a go at answering. Problem is all the reference material at Microsoft has gone.

Paul White

11:53 AM

@hot2use I'm not saying the question should or shouldn't be closed (I haven't looked at it closely enough to say), just making you aware of that meta item. The 2005 documentation is still available (though archived), just not directly from BOL/MSDN/TechNet.

dezso

12:05 PM

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ that would fit perfectly @PaulWhite and @Lamak and all the others hanging from planet Earth upside down

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ isn't that 28 bytes 32 because of padding? dba.stackexchange.com/a/159852/6219

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@dezso because the total should be a multiple of 8? Probably yes

hot2use

12:23 PM

@PaulWhite Ta

Lamak

@PaulWhite there are several transporters in existence

@PaulWhite this should be a hat

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@Lamak you have to explain the joke. AGL.

Lamak

I should, but I'm blue in the face, so I'm unable to

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Paul White

@Lamak That's funny because it refers to the error you made yesterday. Joke explained at sufficient length given mobile chat.

2

dezso

random quote from a comment on the interwebs:

> BTW, why did autocorrect change the word simply to "syphilis"?

Lamak

2:35 PM

quiet again today

dezso

@Lamak it's because of the snow

Lamak

I wish there was snow here....instead we got a very sunny and hot day

dezso

Lamak

nice, is that the view from your work or your house? (or you work from your house?, in which case the answer is both)

Andy K

@dezso I do not envy you

it is quite sunny here

dezso

2:51 PM

@Lamak office window view

@AndyK where are you? Australia?

Andy K

3:04 PM

France , @dezso despite my english first name, and to be more precise Poitiers

Lamak

@dezso it's a nice view

dezso

@Lamak explain that joke

Lamak

I like snow :)

dezso

3:20 PM

@Lamak ah. The place is the heart of the ex-GDR, not the most beautiful location

a bit of snow helps, for sure

billinkc

Esta nevando

Lamak

@billinkc jeezus, that comment confused the sh*t out of me for a moment

since I'm also in the spanish SO chat room

billinkc

I should hang out in there as well

Andriy M

Or at least post the same picture and comment to complete the confusion

Lamak

you should, I think that sadly you speak some better spanish than other users there

billinkc

3:26 PM

That's unlikely to ever be stated again about my proficiency in any language

Lamak

@billinkc it's more of a statement about the lack of proficiency in spanish for the other users though

anyway, you've been missing from here for a while....vacations?

billinkc

Although it is amusing - of the 4 of us in our office, 3 speak Spanish of varying degrees. One lived in Spain for 2 years, one has native Mexicans for parents and I dabbled long ago

dezso

@billinkc isn't zero also a degree?

billinkc

Switched jobs after the Summit (left Meagan and my WFH life) and the new one has severely cut into my fart around time

@dezso Only in the metric system

Lamak

@billinkc googling WFH gives me "World Federation of Hemophilia"....but I think that it's also "work from home"...

anyway, good for Meagan!!

dezso

3:29 PM

@Lamak Weissenseer Fertigungs- und Handelsgesellschaft mbH

Lamak

@billinkc where are you "working" now?

billinkc

work from home. Anyways, I now have only myself to blame if I am unhappy at work since I am the owner of the mighty Sterling Data Consulting, LLC

Lamak

@billinkc but...."of the 4 of us in our office"

billinkc

The other 3 guys needed another on this contract so I hopped on and am now trying to be an OLTP type of person

We have a contract with a logistics company here in KFC. I had been on engagement with them 4 years ago so had a feel for what the client was like as well as the guys who I now partner with

It's been a fun ride for the past two months

Today though, it's just me and the 7 year old due to school closure

Oh, and to close the loop on the story so it's been interesting trying to keep up when the two fluent speakers converse (just to annoy the one in the room who speaks nothing but 'Murican)

Lamak

@billinkc and did the guys you partner with know anything about you?

I think that their decision making skills aren't very advanced

billinkc

3:37 PM

That's the scary thing, they did. 2 of them had been on a different contract but same client with me

Lamak

googling "Sterling Data Consulting" leads me to "Sterling Data Storage"....

billinkc

I own the domain but don't have a site up yet

I do have email though so I'm almost legitimate

Lamak

@billinkc ah...well, congrats!

billinkc

(Sterling is a double play on words. There's the Sterling silver association plus some of my Father's side comes from Stirling Scotland which was anglicized to Sterling during immigration)

And thank you

Lamak

I see. Hope everything works out well

@billinkc hey, I'm an MVP now :)

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billinkc

3:41 PM

They let anyone in nowadays

Mega congratulations Senor

it's raining tacos - 10H version By Parry Gripp and BooneBum

►

^^^ It's quite the catchy song if you haven't heard it

Lamak

@billinkc yeah, I actually thought the same

I can't make it show my picture though. But I think that might be a filter that microsoft put on purpose ;)

billinkc

Meagan had a ton of issues with it as well. The MVP site is truly the cobbler's children for MS sites

bluefeet

@Lamak congrats!

Lamak

@billinkc I mean, I uploaded my picture and chose "everybody" in the options. I can see it if I log in to my profile, but if I search for it I get the generic avatar

@bluefeet thanks :)

billinkc

Yeah, I can't remember what @mmarie did to get it to work. Maybe it was a timing thing, just took X number of days to work

Or the NDA had to be signed, something crazy

and totally non-intuitive

Lamak

3:47 PM

@billinkc yeah maybe. I think I already signed the NDA, but well...it's not very intuitive

billinkc

If I explicitly set the isolation level to serializable but I use a view that has a no lock hint for a table, what is the resulting iso level?

mmarie

@billinkc There's no magic trick. You just have to upload your pic and wait a day or so. At some point is shows up

Congrats, @Lamak!

Lamak

@mmarie I was hoping for a magic trick

billinkc

You used your quota of magic getting the award

Lamak

@billinkc hadn't thought about it like that

but it actually makes sense

billinkc

3:55 PM

Might want to order a crate of bubble wrap and not leave the house for a few weeks

Have the wife open it too so you don't get paper cut and bleed out

Lamak

@billinkc I already messed that up, I'm at work today....

billinkc

que lastima

Andriy M

@billinkc My understanding is SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL introduces a default isolation level for the duration of the session (or until you set it explicitly again). Any WITH (...) hints in a query are meant to override the default.

billinkc

But my understanding is that hints are just that and the optimizer can say "that's cute" and ignore them

yeah?

Suppose the only way to know is to gin up a repro

bluefeet

@billinkc put some rum in it

billinkc

4:02 PM

that too

Andriy M

So the question is whether SERIALIZABLE as set using the SET TRANSACTION statement is going (or likely) to beat UNCOMMITTED as specified with a table hint, correct?

Paul White

@billinkc read uncommitted for the table in the view

billinkc

The Oracle has spoken

2

Paul White

@billinkc Almost all hints are actually directives. Counterexample: Index hints on a view are ignored.

billinkc

Twice

Paul White

4:06 PM

Doesn't mentioning Oracle invoke Jack Douglas?

If he posts the You Rang? image now I will be impressed.

billinkc

I was actually going to find a delphi image but then I got distracted

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

Paul White

Very nice.

billinkc

That's cheating - like asking me if I have a picture of fried chicken

dezso

@billinkc rutube.ru/video/f960babae24b9df33c69aa267807358c

only listen, don't watch

Andy K

4:32 PM

bye folks

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

bye

swasheck

4:50 PM

abominable ... there's a hat i can appreciate

@Lamak oh wow! seriously??? congrats!

Lamak

@swasheck yup, for realz

swasheck

dont forget us little people

@Lamak that's awesome. super happy for you

Lamak

@swasheck it was just temporarily lack of microsoft's judgmente

swasheck

@Lamak nah.

Paul White

@Lamak For Access? Excel? :-p

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jcolebrand

4:54 PM

@Lamak holy shit dude, that's awesome

Great news!

@PaulWhite now we just have to trick him into making moderator ...

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@Lamak congratulationes !

(my Spanish is worse than billinkc's :)

2

Paul White

@jcolebrand I think Evan reserved the next available spot already.

jcolebrand

touche sir

swasheck

ignore this user (everywhere) has been such a godsend

Paul White

Who said that?

:-D :-D :-D

Andriy M

5:00 PM

Echo of the past

swasheck

the DOINK of heapers past

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Lamak

5:26 PM

@PaulWhite all of those

@jcolebrand thanks!

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ :)

Paul White

5:39 PM

@Lamak Congratulations then 😎

Lamak

@PaulWhite now it feels real

Master Database

6:17 PM

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Q: Non-english objects' name

I'd like to ask a question about a performance issue I'm facing. However my application was built in Portuguese, so my table and columns names are in Portuguese. Should I translate the tables and columns names on the code sample? I can do that, however it may be necessary post an entire table cr...

support

jcolebrand

6:37 PM

@Lamak Of course man

Lamak

@jcolebrand :)

Max Vernon

7:06 PM

@Lamak congrats, Kamal!

Lamak

thanks

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

7:45 PM

dba.stackexchange.com/posts/160098/revisions

Max Vernon

@AndyK I vacationed several times in Vimoutiers, just south of Lisieux. Vive la France!

For the non-Americans here, that's -24°C right now.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@MaxVernon awesome!

Max Vernon

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ yah, it's a bit fresh. With the windchill this morning it was -42°

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@MaxVernon I've seen -34 (C) one winter in my hometown. The outside thermometer started working erratically after that.

Max Vernon

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ lol, along with everything else!

Lamak

7:56 PM

@MaxVernon sounds kind of chilly

Max Vernon

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ Where is that?

@Lamak it's certainly not what I would call warm!

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@MaxVernon northern Greece, altitude 650 (meters, not feet)

Max Vernon

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ I thought it was Greece, but I was unaware of it ever getting so cold. Although the altitude certainly explains a lot of that.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

Yes, the area is kind of unique in Greece. Different climate than the near-sea areas. Snow every winter, low temps but quite hot in summer (a few weeks or days)

Max Vernon

does anyone know what the Like Clockwork hat is about yet? I've looked but can't seem to find any interesting tidbits. Clearly its a Clockwork Orange reference, but who knows what.

billinkc

7:59 PM

Maybe you and your droogs need to do a bit of the ol ultraviolence on the close queue

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@MaxVernon it's been conjectured is for doing something for 9 days (consecutive?)

Max Vernon

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ ahhh. makes sense.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

where "something" is vote / post / edit / some other action / any of many actions, it's unknown

It was first given the 9th day of the hats.

Max Vernon

^^^^ me and my brother. I'm the one in the hat. ;-)

Lamak

@MaxVernon why oh why didn't you put make up in your eye?

Max Vernon

8:13 PM

@Lamak lol

Lamak

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Max Vernon

@Lamak thank you!

oh, and congrats, @PaulWhite on getting Epic a couple of weeks ago!

Lamak

@MaxVernon sorry for the bad paint job, but the idea gets across

Max Vernon

@Lamak I don't think that's a bad job at all!

Dodi82

9:27 PM

SQL question

With a siren

Andriy M

Dodi82

I am trying to populate data into my DimDate table but it keeps throw an error of

Msg 208, Level 16, State 1, Line 5
Invalid object name 'dbo.DimeDate'.

Even though I have created the table

Andriy M

Is it DimDate or DimeDate?

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@Dodi82 and what code produced this?

Dodi82

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ Hummmmmmm good observation!!

Thanks I will alter and back with the feedback

brb

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ I will post the code if I have new errors

brb again

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

9:36 PM

@Dodi82 AndriyM noticed the typo. I only make them ;)

Andriy M

in 3D

Dodi82

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ My life full of typos/ typoes!!

right in my DimDate table I've got DateKey as INT Primary Notnull and wanted to insert as DateKey = cast('19900101' as datetime)

O,O"

billinkc

You can't store a date as an int. Tell me more of your findings

Dodi82

convert to Datetime?!

billinkc

Orrrr 19990101 sure looks like an int to me

Dodi82

9:42 PM

So

Andriy M

If you are specifying a literal in the generated code, just put it without quotation marks and delimiters, so that it looks like an integer: INSERT INTO ... (DateKey, ...) VALUES (19900101, ...);.

And if you are inserting from another table where the dates are stored as dates or datetimes, then convert it to a string formatting it as YYYYMMDD, then convert that to int.

Something along the lines of

INSERT INTO ... (DateKey, ...) SELECT CONVERT(int, CONVERT(char(8), SourceDateCol, 112)), ... FROM dbo.SourceTableName WHERE ...

Dodi82

@AndriyM I did and I have this error

Msg 2627, Level 14, State 1, Line 3
Violation of PRIMARY KEY constraint 'PK_DimDate'. Cannot insert duplicate key in object 'dbo.DimDate'. The duplicate key value is (19900101).
The statement has been terminated.

Andriy M

9:57 PM

Well, the error message is pretty clear.

If DateKey is the PK, you can't have duplicates in it.

Dodi82

I violated the primary key

it is but the dimdate is empty ?!

so as the column DateKey

Andriy M

If it's empty before the insert, then the issue is because you are inserting more than one row with the same DateKey.

Dodi82

Shall I leave it with no value on insertion

Andriy M

A PK must have a value.

Dodi82

yes, this is why I want to insert the value as

19900101

Andriy M

10:03 PM

Maybe the table is not really empty? You may have inserted that row once and it's in the table. You may now be trying to repeat the operation and it fails because you are attempting to insert the same PK value.

Dodi82

0 row(s)

@AndriyM I have selected the table but no rows exist

@AndriyM Shall I post my code ??

Andriy M

@Dodi82 Have you also verified that the table you were checking was the same that you were inserting into? I mean, maybe there are two tables in different databases (or different server instances) and you are looking at the wrong one when checking the row count.

Dodi82

Yes, I did check and also made so many refresh on the level of the database connection and the table itself!

However, I noticed that I have a column called Date and this was set to the same date format of the DateKey

DECLARE @start Date = '19900101', @years TINYINT = 20;

Andriy M

@Dodi82 Is it big?

Dodi82

@AndriyM Date

billinkc

10:13 PM

St. Andriy

Dodi82

@billinkc St.billinkc :-)

billinkc

Nope, pretty sure I'm the opposite of a saint

Dodi82

You are a good man my friend.

Andriy M

@Dodi82 I was asking about your code. If it's not big, fire away.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

If it's big, fire a gist. or a pastebin.

Dodi82

10:16 PM

My code is fairly big, but I will fire it away

DECLARE @start Date = '19900101', @years TINYINT = 20;

;WITH src AS
(
SELECT TOP (DATEDIFF(DAY,@start, DATEADD(YEAR,@years, @start)))
  d = DATEADD(DAY, ROW_NUMBER() OVER (ORDER BY s1.number)-1, @start)
 FROM master.dbo.spt_values AS s1
 CROSS JOIN master.dbo.spt_values AS s2
),
W AS
(
  SELECT d,
    wd      = DATEPART(WEEKDAY,d),
    wdname  = DATENAME(WEEKDAY,d),
    wnum    = DATEPART(ISO_WEEK,d),
    qnum    = DATEPART(QUARTER, d),
    y       = YEAR(d),
    m       = MONTH(d),
    mname   = DATENAME(MONTH,d),

This is gents

Andriy M

As I said before, all rows that you are inserting must have different PK values, and the PK in your case is DateKey. You are assigning the same value of 1 to all rows that you are pulling from q1. Naturally, the server cannot accept that.

Dodi82

what should I do for the DateKey to be auto generated?

Andriy M

24 mins ago, by Andriy M

Something along the lines of

INSERT INTO ... (DateKey, ...) SELECT CONVERT(int, CONVERT(char(8), SourceDateCol, 112)), ... FROM dbo.SourceTableName WHERE ...

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

Why do you need a DateKey in the first place? That Date column seems to be unique. Why not use that as a key?

Andriy M

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ It's probably an OLAP thing. Some kind of restriction or something regarding the PK type. I'm not very good at it, but our prototype fact tables all reference our DimDate table using ints.

@billinkc might know more.

Dodi82

10:24 PM

@AndriyM right, in case of omitting the DateKey and using Date instead

can I use it as a foreign key in the fact table?

Andriy M

@Dodi82 More specifically, DateKey = 1 in the main SELECT should be DateKey = CONVERT(...) (the thing in my example).

Dodi82

@AndriyM I am sorry for keep asking, but can I do the following

DateKey = CONVERT(int, CONVERT(char(8), SourceDateCol, 112)) within the last select

Andriy M

@Dodi82 Yes, that's what I'm saying, and SourceDateCol is d in your case.

Dodi82

ok dokey

@AndriyM Andriy my friend thank you

It worked!

Andriy M

Congratulations

Tom V

10:30 PM

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ Fairly common in olap scenarios as it tends to result in better performance when querying the cube

Dodi82

@AndriyM as billinkc said : You are a saint

Andriy M

Thank you (and @billinkc) for the exaggeration.

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@TomV I suppose it's also common to use int values like 19900101 and not identity or sequences, right?

Dodi82

@TomV Thank you for the explanation Tom

Andriy M

@TomV That may be one of the few cubes he knows little about.

Tom V

10:32 PM

@TypoCubeᵀᴹ Yes, it could prevent unnecessary lookups and be achieved with a simple conversion

But I was mainly replying to the "why you need an extra key" rather than "could you have a better key"

Dodi82

or allows for an easy partitioning (by date) of fact tables.

Tom V

But a surrogate (integer) key is quite common for any design a cube is based on

TypoCubeᵀᴹ

@TomV Yeah, I got that. This is a dimension table, so it doesn't hurt to have multiple keys, anyway (I suppose, as the saint said above, these cubes I know little about).

Tom V

and even more importantly it allows for the distinction between "empty" and "unknown"

in the sense that "there was a value but I couldn't find it in the dimension" or "the value was empty and there isn't an empty record in the dimension"

for example you could have an empty product group on a product, but you don't have a "":"empty" product group vs there is a product group entered on the product but I can't find that in your dimension table

without surrogate keys they would both be linked to an automatic (unknown) dimension member

and allowing errors like that even increases processing time of the cube

long story, not sure you are interested :)

Andriy M

I know very little about this as well, even though we are using Analysis Services with the project I'm working on. (I hardly ever touch it.) Thank you very much for chiming in, @Tom.

Tom V

10:45 PM

@AndriyM I'm going to bed,if you need to feel free to ask even though I'm a bit rusty when it comes to BI

There are others in here who know more than me

Andriy M

@TomV It's about time I went to bed too, so thank you, but no thank you.

@TomV They are no saint, though.

Dodi82

@AndriyM Good night Saint Andriy

@TomV Good night Tom

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