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Alan Munn

12:20 AM

@cfr Fails with -all, (same image as you posted); works with -most.

cfr

1:05 AM

@AlanMunn Thanks. I have a bunch of different versions of Forest floating around and I just wanted to check.

Joseph Wright

6:49 AM

@cfr Room unfrozen

David Carlisle

7:37 AM

@JosephWright can you do my car as well?

yo'

7:55 AM

@DavidCarlisle :) (I'm smiling all morning, seeing people removing frost from their cars. I've got a garage)

ebo

8:10 AM

@Zarko one night later thanks!

daleif

9:01 AM

Could someone with license knowledge plase have a look at this one:

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Q: avoid embedding truetype font

\documentclass{book} \usepackage{polyglossia} \setdefaultlanguage{hebrew} \newfontfamily\hebrewfont[Script=Hebrew]{Frank Ruehl CLM} \begin{document} שלום \end{document} the specified font can be found in the culmus package (http://culmus.sourceforge.net/download.html). compiling with xelatex ....

David Carlisle

9:27 AM

@daleif wikipedia entry looks clear enough, gpl for fonts seems suboptimal :(

Diaa Abidou

9:45 AM

@samcarter Thanks for consideration, I need to shut down the silly-questions machine for a while :)

Joseph Wright

9:59 AM

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle I see David Crossland (ex-UK-TUG secretary) gets a mention there :)

Paulo Cereda

10:28 AM

English question:

I have a set of rules, should I go with rule set or rules set?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda rule set

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Thank you!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you would have liked to be in the UK this morning, bright sunshine, clear skys....

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@PauloCereda bbc.co.uk/weather/2641181

Paulo Cereda

10:48 AM

@DavidCarlisle brrrrrrrr

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I just think the license file is formated a bit odd, but ok

Joseph Wright

I hope texdev.net/2016/11/30/dependencies makes sense!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda my car said it was -7 this morning, got up to -5 by time I got to work

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cooler in Oxon that here in Norfolk

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh my, that is very cold!

David Carlisle

11:03 AM

@PauloCereda something about wind coming from that big white bit at the top of the map

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oooh that explains it

yo'

@PauloCereda really? :D

Paulo Cereda

@yo' frozen ducks. :)

Paulo Cereda

11:20 AM

I never thought of this...

yo'

@PauloCereda the tie is worn on the chest, so in the low position. However a bowtie would be in the top position.

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oooh advanced giraffes. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda no one here wears a tie at work

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

yo'

Paulo Cereda

11:30 AM

@yo' ooooh

yo'

@PauloCereda (no picture environments were hurt in making this figure)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' <3

egreg

12:23 PM

@JosephWright It does!

barbara beeton

1:37 PM

@JosephWright -- makes sense to me, if that matters.

Paulo Cereda

1:53 PM

I want to buy more rubber ducks!

They are so lovely.

@Lilith-Elina: Hi, welcome to the chat!

What the Fahrenheit?!

►

ooh more people

@DavidCarlisle: we need more tea

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'll see if I can thaw some out

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@David: it's quite amusing that my winter is hotter than your summer. :)

David Carlisle

2:09 PM

@PauloCereda meanwhile you're a proper computer scientist type person. Am I correct to equate "program no longer segfaults" with "program now bug free" ?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I think it's relatively accurate. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda don't forget I watched the grand prix I know your climate is miserable, grey and wet.

@PauloCereda excellent.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh that's true. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda we have blue skys, lots of sunshine and a wind straight from santa claus.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle freezing breeze. :) When I was about to leave Brazil, I saw it was 28C in Barcelona. Nah, that's a nice temperature! I don't have to worry! Then I met this wind. :)

Joseph Wright

3:11 PM

@DavidCarlisle See the platex update notice? Support for FAM256 e-pTeX.

???

David Carlisle

@JosephWright no (was working:-) where?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle c.t.t/CTAN RSS

David Carlisle

@JosephWright odd. 256 math fam?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Not sure at the moment: will check!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright looks that way:

github.com/texjporg/platex/issues/3

Joseph Wright

3:19 PM

@DavidCarlisle Ah, does look that way yes

David Carlisle

@JosephWright diff here, we could have something in the kernel rather than patches on patches but...

github.com/texjporg/platex/commit/…

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Yes, (u)pTeX isn't officially supported, or rather they make so many changes for platex it's hard to see it fits into the normal framework

egreg

3:32 PM

@PauloCereda Today's lecture.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg aw <3 Thank you.

egreg

@PauloCereda You can circulate, if you like

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Second person is taking a photo, I am sure everybody is with us.

It's a lovely tribute.

cfr

3:51 PM

@JosephWright Ta ;).

Paulo Cereda

5:13 PM

@egreg: ^^ Fifa 2017 today.

Sebastiano

5:33 PM

Hello everyone

Good afternoon @egreg

I did not know that there was a chat

best regars

egreg

6:10 PM

@Sebastiano Ciao!

Werner

8:53 PM

Cast your vote, folks:

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Hats, or a regular day in the office...

Canageek

10:25 PM

Someone in my lab group came to me with a strange problem. All the math in his document is bold, and he isn't sure why.

Trying to get him to make a MWE and turn off packages till it goes away

But was wondering if this is a common problem or known with a certain package

egreg

@Canageek Some stray \boldmath declaration?

Canageek

@egreg He says no, I'll tell me to search for it. He didn't even know you could redefine $ $

@egreg Would that propagate

@egreg Yes, that was what it is.

Excuse me while I slam my head on the desk.

He had \newcommand{\alphab}{\boldmath$\alpha$} instead of $\boldmath\alpha$

Wait, why is \boldmath even allowed in textmode?

You don't let me us \alpha in textmode but you can accidentally turn your entire document bold? WTF?

David Carlisle

@Canageek no $\boldmath\alpha$ would be a syntax error, you have to do \boldmath out of math mode

@Canageek it's not allowed in math mode.

Canageek

So it is {\boldmath$\alpha$}

Ulrike Fischer

@Canageek $\boldmath\alpha$ doesn't work. \newcommand{\alphab}{{\boldmath$\alpha$}}would be ok.

David Carlisle

10:38 PM

@Canageek yes, typically you use \bfseries\boldmath as the style for a section heading if you want math in headings to be bold. but just as if you do \bfseries at the top level all your text goes bold, if you do \boldmath at the top level your math goes bold.

Canageek

Ok, explained that to him

That is...odd

Waiting for his document to compile (PhD thesis, will take a while)

Also, what does newcommand* do vs newcommand?"

@DavidCarlisle Isn't \bf one of the verboten commands that Thy Shalt Not Use on the pain of @egreg giving you a disapproving look?

Dammit, does greater than need a special symbol in LaTeX? or is it just >?

egreg

@Canageek “Less than” is <

Canageek

@egreg You said that before I could edit it

egreg

@Canageek \bf is verboten, \bfseries is kosher.

Canageek

So \SI{>0.5}{\angstrom} is fine

@egreg Wait, what? o.0 What is the difference?

egreg

10:48 PM

@Canageek That \bf should not be used and \bfseries is good. They do different things, actually.

Canageek

@egreg Sorry, I should be clear: What is the difference and why is \bf evil and \bfseries is OK?

@egreg Wait, does that mean my girlfriend can use \bfseries but not \bf, while I can use both?

egreg

@Canageek \bf has been deprecated for 20+ years. Neither of you is allowed to use \bf or the LaTeX police will chase after you.

Canageek

@egreg (The joke was she is Jewish, and I'm not)

Ulrike Fischer

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A: Is there any reason not to use \let to redefine a deprecated control sequence to the currently recommended one?

The commands \rm, \bf etc are called "deprecated" because they have been removed from the latex kernel. The way the commands work don't fit in the (much better) "new font selection scheme" (nfss) used by latex2e. A number of classes nevertheless provide the definitions for these commands, but t...

egreg

@Canageek :)

Canageek

10:52 PM

@egreg Which means when I went to Poland I ate a lottt of pork

Canageek

11:07 PM

My boss wants me to add "-" to all the blank spaces on this table. Hmmmmm

David Carlisle

@Canageek well not really (unless you use koma classes which stopped defining it at all) but I didn't use bf :-)

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle Which I'm learning.

David Carlisle

@Canageek latex doesn't define \bf but does define \bfseries so there is a real difference in behaviour

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle So how does \bf work? I've seen documents that still use it.

David Carlisle

@Canageek it's defined in (eg) article class for compatibility with latex 2.09

Canageek

11:15 PM

@DavidCarlisle So when you ban the use of LaTeX 2.09, are you going to remove that to force people to stop using it?

@DavidCarlisle Or define it to detect if you use new features, then turn it off?

David Carlisle

@Canageek ? latex 2.09 isn't installed in most tex distributions (although you can get the sources from ctan)

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle So why is \bf still around? >.>

Oh crud, seminar

David Carlisle

@Canageek because it's always been there and people should be able to take a document written in 1993 and have it still work

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle Why isn't there a --legacy switch?

@DavidCarlisle Couldn't they just compile with an old binary?

David Carlisle

@Canageek for most people no they would not know how to build that (and why should they have to)

egreg

11:43 PM

Karl has removed mpost from the restricted shell allowed programs. :-(

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