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3:15 AM
@Ryan the ad makes me want it... mixed feelings about the spinney cylinder thingy, doh youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0
 
 
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4:45 AM
boo
 
4:56 AM
bop
 
What would you prefer: DIN, Neue Haas Unica, or Neue Haas Grotesk
Today's their last day on offer
 
lol just perving on fonts again
 
depends on the design
 
5:02 AM
true, 2 of those are very similar though. I would like to have some sort of Helvetica-esque family but dunno if it's worth it at the minute
 
5:16 AM
that is an expensive family, but its late here, later man
 
true but 99 isn't bad :) night chat laters
 
 
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7:39 AM
@Vincent oh, and this is just a little part of the whole thing... =D
 
 
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9:04 AM
@Ryan @JohnB Sounds to me like they are increasing the price and include fewer features. When was that ever a successful business model?
 
9:34 AM
@Vincent I like the new track thing but not enough for that price. if they had given the forcetouch trackpad the ability to use the Apple Pencil as well at that price I'd probably buy it on the spot. That's the bigger miss to me
 
Hey @Ryan
 
hi @Magisch
 
@Ryan What is happening to that spam post you locked? IIRC, spam needs to be destroyed, not locked.
Especially not locked. It prevents us from destroying it
 
I didn't know what the result was from that meta so just asked in the mod chat
I was going to and usually just destroy the entire account but from that weird meta post and robotic chat thingy didn't know if that was still the right course and am about to head out on the road
Want the account destroyed?
 
Mainly the post destroyed
Not locked
For spam posts its always 1) destroy the post (via binding mod spam flag), 2) (optional) nuke the account
 
9:38 AM
post or person destroyed?
 
definitely post, person if you feel like it
 
I didn't even know we could destroy posts! I always just nuke spam accounts
 
You can cast a spam flag
as mod
It will count as if 6 spam flags came in
 
ah thought that just closes it didnt know it destroys it
anyways nuked it is
 
1 rep spam accounts you can always destroy
But please
never just lock a spam post and don't edit out spam links either ;)
 
@Magisch do you even work for StackOverflow?
or SE whatever
 
@Ryan No
I'm a user
I don't even have a diamond. But I volunteer in the Smoke detector project and we cast hundreds of spam flags every day, so we got pretty good at handling spam
I became aware of the post because our bot reported it due to suspicious post structure, blacklisted websites, etc. We usually nuke these via casted spam flags. But your lock prevented us from doing that.
 
Then go create a meta on SE about what should be done.
@Magisch this reply to me, is not appreciated. Take care of yourself
 
I'm sorry if that came off as bossy
Its just that that is site-wide established policy
 
@Magisch Hello there
 
9:46 AM
Spam turnover time is usually in low minutes on the network
 
Please bear with us a bit :). Most of us aren't very invested in anything but this site, and not much info in how to handle spam actually trickles down
 
and a mod locking a spam post or editing out spam links from obvious spam posts just makes them last longer and essentially helps it garner views - thats what our community project is supposed to stop. I don't presume on instructing you how to do your job, but I felt like pointing it out because smaller sites often aren't in the loop about SE wide policy so much
 
Your pointing it out is appreciated! I didn't know I could destroy a post that way, either
 
I'm sorry if that came off as bossy, it wasn't meant to. We all share a common goal :)
 
it's okay. :)
@PieBie eh, which is the original? The first sentence is almost identical, but the rest isn't
 
9:53 AM
both posts were edited, which makes the whole thing even more confusing...
let's see...
ok, on second look, not exactly the same...
 
I understand the confusion--I suffered it myself
 
but the message is basically the same though
weird...
 
I'll just leave it be, won't do anything but mark your flag as useful.
 
k, thanks
oh, btw, Happy Friday!
 
right back at ya!
 
10:01 AM
looks like the whole Charcoal HQ room is migrating here :p
 
apparently. You bring your friend posse, @Magisch? :P
 
I came in because I too was surprised to see the spam locked by a mod, but I don't think we need to prolong this discussion
if you want an authoritative link on how spam should be handled, I'm sure we can dig something up for you, but maybe that discussion should happen in Charcoal HQ then so as not to disrupt this room too much
 
Such a link might be nice to have and star here.
check.
that's the fastest starring I have seen in here besides hat season.
 
lol ;p
 
10:05 AM
true that, it's also the most people we've had in our little room in a good while
 
Heh. Sorry I missed that, @Ryan, I could've cleared up that procedure too.
 
I'll be outta here again soon, but thanks for having us
 
RPG.SE is very familiar with spam protocols; we get lots of witch-doctor solicitations.
 
while we have your attention, maybe you want to weigh in on rendering of images by low-rep users, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286117/…
 
@tripleee hm, thanks for pointing us out as an exception. I guess we do need that exception
We get quite the volume of newbie questions which would be impossible to answer without an inline image
Hence, I fully stand by @Cai's answer
 
10:10 AM
I'm on the fence, as you can probably tell from my comments there
 
reading those now :)
 
Hrmm. Linking to an image is technically identical to rendering it, but I can see that it adds an extra step in the workflow toward answering which could potentially reduce the quantity and quality of answers.
 
perhaps it should be combined with links then, so no image and link?
 
I agree with @Cai too. If anything, I'd say prevent new users from posting links...
 
@BESW that.
 
10:11 AM
I'd be interested in a trial period to collect stats from the field.
 
@BESW on many other sites, low-rep users can only post a clickable URL to an image they uploaded, and (typically) if it's any good, a higher-rep user will edit the post to inline it
 
I know I myself am very averse to click any image link that does not start with http://imgur
 
me 2
 
but I have no idea how well a proposal like that would fly with the people who are actually paid for developing these mechanisms
 
Yes, I think it's more important that new users be able to upload imgur links as part of the Ask A Question form, than that they be able to post inline.
 
10:12 AM
and from memory: of the last 20 spam posts I have seen here, only a handful had inline images
 
Over on RPG.SE I think I've seen maybe one spam post that had an image of any kind, inline or otherwise.
But we have an active enough user base that if spam lasts ten minutes before getting flagged to death we consider it a slow day.
 
maybe you want to look at the metasmoke links in the question, they pretty much single out GD as a problem site
 
So policy changes to control what spam can or can't do is a ridiculous effort/reward ratio over there.
I guess the first question is, does this happen often enough to warrant a mechanical policy change or would it be more effective to encourage a spam-flagging culture here?
 
here's an example search metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
the search form is big, the results are underneath, so you will need to scroll down
 
Ah, yeah, I'd just found that in the meta comments.
 
10:18 AM
this is slighly different from what's in the question, it just looks for img src=
 
So: it's common and they're using imgur.
 
@BESW we have a smaller community, but they are equally unforgiving of spam.
@tripleee eh? You mean the link in the meta.se Q?
 
Haruum.
 
@Vincent yeh there were a couple of searches posted there as well
 
I'm reminded of the futility of ad-hoc filters.
 
10:20 AM
Are you seriously calling GD 'a problem site' because of one image? D:
 
@Ryan Hello Ryan. We're active users of a chatroom named Charcoal HQ and we detect, flag and destroy spam across the network. The post you locked was spam, and that was why Magisch came in to see what was going on.
 
@M.A.R. Ryan has left for work and won't be back until a couple hours
 
@Vincent huh? you had 14 incidents in the last 14 days, the rest of Stack Exchange combined had 3
 
@Vincent Well, we wanted to make sure there are no hard feelings
 
@tripleee ah then I saw the wrong link
 
10:21 AM
I notice that GD.SE's spam problem is only two weeks old, though.
 
...why don't we know this?
 
right now it looks like that particular campaign abated but it's not unlikely that they will come back and up the ante
@M.A.R. this was already discussed above, scroll back some 30 minutes or so
 
Why do we have to find out we are a 'spam problem site' by you @Magisch catching an instance of one of us (apparently, unknowingly) mis-managing a spam post, and then by having all of you guys -- sorry -- barge in here?
 
@tripleee I know. The end response didn't seem enlightening
 
English.se and Puzzling.se have each had their own period of focused image spam, too, at various times, and it eventually cleared up--not sure if anything was done to abate those spates or not.
[ponder] A permanent solution to a temporary problem may be overkill, so it'd be nice to know what english.se and puzzling.se did.
 
10:23 AM
@Vincent O.o who says you are?
 
@Vincent I don't mean to single you out, I just hoped for input from you regarding possible solutions to the 1-rep images
 
Well, I'd love to give it, but I'm actually rather caught off guard :(
most of this is news to me
 
in the grand scheme of things, I'd call out drupal.se and of course SO as problem sites
 
That.
 
see this graph for example metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/reason/22
 
10:26 AM
@tripleee NON-CODE IN BACKTICKS!? Sirens
 
@M.A.R. yeah, whee-oo whee-oo
 
I'd say this is looking less like "GD.SE is a spam problem site" and more like "GD.SE has very recently seen an uptick in a particular kind of spam with NSFW pictures which occasionally makes the rounds across the Stack."
 
^^ Thanks @BESW
 
Well, that's how it is
The toughest spam to deal with is SO's.
The smartest spammers are there too.
 
so anyway, pardon my wording there above, I was trying to say GD is particularly targeted by spammers with this particular modus operandi
@BESW that
 
10:28 AM
I'd like to know how other Stacks have handled it when they were targeted like this, so we can learn from their experience.
No sense re-inventing the wheel.
 
The mods were alerted.
 
I'd say Charcoal attention
 
I guess that's what happened here
 
I find myself browsing the start page on drupal and GD occasionally just to see if we are missing anything
 
If those sites handled the issue without a 1-rep picture ban, I think GD.SE should definitely try that first.
 
10:29 AM
GD also because I am beginning to like it
 
Anyway time for me to take a nap. \o
 
Drupal is teh horrors
 
ttfn
 
@M.A.R. well, I wasn't, unfortunately :(
 
@Vincent He means, that's what happened with previous sites in this situation, and that this conversation probably constitutes that happening for this situation.
 
10:30 AM
@tripleee Nah . . . they don't even use creative templates
 
I'll think about posting a proposal about banning links when images are tolerated for low-rep users, but don't hold your breath
 
Ok, thanks. Sorry, also trying to get some paying work done :)
 
thanks for your time, gotta go as well
 
I'm inclined to just suggest that we post a meta.gd.se asking folks to keep a weather eye for spam and telling them the proper procedure (flag as spam) for handling it.
"You may have noticed we've been getting nasty spam lately, here's how you can help."
 
Yeah, also tell them not to close vote spam. EVER.
I'm procrastinating sleeping
 
10:34 AM
Yeah, the RPG.SE mods remind us of the "flag, don't vote" protocols semi-annually.
And the more experienced citizens try to pass it on in chat and on comments as appropriate.
 
thanks for the tips, peeps.
grmbl. now there's someone complaining about the fact that they get downvotes on their answers. RTFM, peepz.
 
 
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1:23 PM
Ooh @Ryan snapseed supports professional raw editing now.
May be handy for developing large batches over time plus.google.com/u/0/+Snapseed/posts/edhQ781AzF8
 
1:46 PM
Since Halloween is almost upon us & it's Friday
 
lol
 
2:04 PM
ok, off for the weekend. I missed the San Diego one, so I'm giong to London Comic Con :D
 
@Vincent Hope you have a blast mate!
 
@Vincent have fun Vincent
 
 
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6:00 PM
love the irish police page
 

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