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user218912
12:00 AM
wow that book is wayyy to simplified
 
user218912
it's boring.
 
oh, it might actually be understandable for me then
I'll take a look
 
I take it back
 
user218912
I doubt it.
 
I'm not done yet
I need to come up with a horrible counterexample for something
 
user218912
12:02 AM
@heather it's still an advanced book.
 
user218912
@0celo7 if you had to re-learn qft right now what book(s) would you use? not including weinberg.
 
user218912
I need something to fill in the details and more to compliment my class.
 
@BernardMeurer What about it?
 
@DanielSank It's a million dollar idea dude
 
@DanielSank, could you please read the above question?
 
12:04 AM
@BernardMeurer Srednicki.
 
Thanks if you do!
 
One of these years I will revisit QFT
 
user218912
@0celo7 you mean bl00?
 
@BernardMeurer I need a non compact, non Hausdorff space
 
@0celo7 Me
 
12:05 AM
@bl00 yes
non compact = big
are you + sized?
 
@heather Link?
 
@0celo7 yes puns
 
I'll have you banned again
 
that's a pun-ishment
 
Flagged
 
12:07 AM
@0celo7 that threat offends me
 
user218912
then flag it.
 
That flag button offends me
 
he won't do it
 
@heather Controlled pi/2 rotation, I'd think.
 
he's a baby
 
12:08 AM
@0celo7 Because it pisses the mods off
That's not being a baby
 
yes it is
you're afraid of the mods
 
user218912
ur a scaredy cat.
 
^
 
No, it's a pain in their asses
It's common decency
 
lol
 
user218912
12:08 AM
you mean 10k users?
 
Them too
 
your face is a 10K user
 
flagged
 
You guys are all stupid
 
@BernardMeurer flagged
 
12:09 AM
flagged
 
@0celo7 flagged
 
Oh god
 
We're kidding (at least I am)
 
enjoy the ban
 
Dunno about the others
 
user218912
12:10 AM
lol
 
But seriously, they make it clear that hypersensitive flags piss them off
 
user218912
@0celo7 I will read srednicki then.
 
Oh god
It's almost Yom Kippur
 
user218912
he goes in a different order though.
 
user218912
@SirCumference are you religious?
 
12:13 AM
@bl00 It's one of the only ones I celebrate
That and Hanukkah
 
user218912
you probably only do it for the presents.
 
user218912
if that offends you i'll delete it.
 
Nah, it's a family time
Kinda like christmas
 
@SirCumference sounds Jewish
 
@0celo7 It is Jewish
 
12:15 AM
That explains it!
 
What does that explain?
You still don't know what it is
 
Hmm. Jewish Christmas?
Or is that Hannukah
 
Nah, that's Hanukkah (I guess)
On Yom Kippur you fast. So no food, no water and no electronics for a day
A day is a long time
 
Wow
No water?
 
12:17 AM
Aren't you at college?
 
Just don't do it
 
Nah, I'll do it
 
user218912
god will dislike him if he doesn't.
 
@bl00 btw this offends me
flagged
 
user218912
12:18 AM
wow.
 
God offends me
Flagging all of you
 
user218912
I will read srednicki in the winter break.
 
user218912
it's too different from my qft course right now.
 
@DanielSank, thanks!
 
1:02 AM
this room with the flags again?
@SirCumference yes, yes they do
 
Does anyone know of a good video editing program that is online, easy to use, can take video and make it slow motion, add overlays of various types, do voiceovers, splice together video, and take gif files?
(Lots of requirements, I know)
 
you'd probably have better luck at Software Recommendations
 
1:20 AM
@NeuroFuzzy tell me something interesting Dr. Algebraic Geometry
 
@SirCumference Not Passover?
 
@Zacharee1, thanks for the site recommendation
 
1:37 AM
@Zacharee1 Oh yeah, that too
 
@SirCumference You forgot the Passah!!??
Not a real Jew :(
 
Passah?
 
Pessach, auch Passah oder Pascha genannt (hebräisch פֶּסַח‎ pésach?/i; aramäisch פַּסְחָא pas-cha; griechisch (Septuaginta und NT) πάσχα pás-cha; wörtlich „Vorüberschreiten“), gehört zu den wichtigsten Festen des Judentums. Es erinnert an den Auszug aus Ägypten, also die Befreiung der Israeliten aus ägyptischer Sklaverei. Die Nacherzählung (Haggada) dieses im Buch Exodus des Tanach erzählten Geschehens verbindet jede neue Generation der Juden mit ihrer zentralen Befreiungserfahrung. Das Pessach wird in der Woche vom 15. bis 22., in Israel bis zum 21. Nisan gefeiert. Es ist ein Familienfest mit…
I'm German
 
You meant Pessach
 
no
 
1:48 AM
@0celo7 Bull
 
> Pessach, auch Passah
@SirCumference Ask @ACuriousMind
 
You've told us you're american multiple times
 
Well I'm American
 
what
Oh, you're of German heritage
 
No, I was born and raised in Germany
I speak German fluently
 
 
1 hour later…
3:10 AM
@0celo7 ehm polynomials are cool?
Subspaces of Noetherian toplological spaces are Noetherian in their induced topology?
 
@NeuroFuzzy define pls
@NeuroFuzzy ok that I doubt
 
@0celo7 They are though! So yeah, AG Hartshorne chapter 1 does mostly classical algebraic geometry, apparently? Before all of the abstraction.
and one of the things you do is define your topology on, say, $\mathbb{R}^2$ by saying that a set is closed iff it is the zero set of some polynomial in two variables
 
hmm
why
 
user116211
Hey @0celo7, you know the proof of subset of countably infinite set being countable?
 
It's pretty obvious, no?
 
user116211
3:17 AM
@0celo7 It's not trivial though.
 
I don't particularly care for such proofs, but what do you need?
 
user116211
Anyways, I'm having a bit problem in comprehending a statement; wait....
 
user116211
 
user116211
$A$ is a subset of a countably infinite set $B;$ they took a function $g$ such that

> $g(1)$ is the first natural number $j$ for which $f(j)$ belongs to $A\,.$

Then after two lines or so, they wrote
> It is clear that $f\circ g$ is a one-to-one mapping with domain $\mathbb N$ and image contained in $A\,.$ An __induction argument shows that $g(j)\geq j$ for all $j\,.$__ ...
 
@0celo7 Well it's nice to know about polynomials innit? Ehm more seriously I don't know. Polynomials are commutative rings over fields (w/ appropriate definitions anyways) so that's a nice place to generalize. It really becomes general in the next chapter though, where we're talking about sheaves.
I'm just along for the ride. Weird 3D shapes are neat anyways and that's what polynomials "are".
 
user116211
3:19 AM
WTH is that; why doesn't the quoting work?
 
user116211
Anyways,
 
Multiline breaks markdown.
 
user116211
What is the significance of the statement that $g(j)\geq j~~\forall j$ in the proof?
 
user116211
I'm not getting that.
 
It's the justification for the line "Hence $x$ belongs..."
 
user116211
3:25 AM
They have already showed the one-to-one correspondence between $\mathbb N$ and $A\,.$ So, the statement hence, $x$... is implied, isn't it?
 
No
You need that set there to terminate
you know it terminates at $f(g(k))$ because of the $j$ thing
@MAFIA36790 btw, I had the last word and won ;)
 
user228700
Hi everyone :-)
 
user116211
Hello.
 
user116211
@0celo7 Okay, I'm re-reading it to get the point.
 
WORD STOP BREAKING
 
3:33 AM
@0celo7 ican f in infinity in Fermat's theorem
 
I was obviously not being serious
your question does not have an answer without you defining infinity
and even then
it's just going to be infinity
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790: Are u fairly comfortable with this topic now:?
 
user228700
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Q: If the velocity of an object, rotating on a vertical circle, at the topmost point is zero, how can it loop the whole circle?

MAFIA36790Normally, if a body is attached to a string & is rotated in a vertical circle, then to loop the whole circle, the rope must not slack at the topmost point & there should be a velocity for having centripetal force. For this, the minimum initial velocity required is $\sqrt{5gr}$, $r$ being the rad...

 
user116211
Sure I'm; but I'm currently busy in a theorem; but you can ask - if I need to respond, I will later.
 
^pretty amazing Word skills
 
user228700
3:38 AM
Okay, well, my only question is this-does the rod keep on rotating after reaching the top simply because it is in an unstable equilibrium at the top?
 
@Kaumudi Doubt?
 
user116211
BTW, checking at the post, I should have never asked that at the first place; I figured it out by myself later and even answered related queries.
 
user228700
@0celo7 Gah! :-P OK now?
 
:)
 
user116211
@Kaumudi Because there is still non-zero velocity of the particle at the top and there is inward force; so it is inevitable it would rotate.,
 
user228700
3:40 AM
@MAFIA36790 There is non-zero velocity at the top?
 
user116211
@Kaumudi Wait; I need to re-count the topic; let me read...
 
user116211
the post.
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790 Sure...
 
user116211
Well, now after reading, I assert there must be a non-zero velocity at the top no matter how infinitesimal might be.
 
user116211
It shouldn't be zero but can be arbitrarily close to zero.
 
user228700
3:44 AM
Really?
 
user116211
Yes.
 
user116211
The book directly wrote the velocity is zero but that is wrong.
 
user116211
The initial velocity must be $\gt 2\sqrt{gr}\,.$
 
user228700
Yes, I was going to upload a picture of the book...
 
my fingers smell weird
 
user228700
3:46 AM
But I'm sure that $v=0$ is the condition to be applied while solving problems, yeah..?
 
reminds me of these ink erasers we used in grade school in Germany
@ACuriousMind knows the smell
 
user116211
@0celo7 Ask John Rennie; he is an expert in all smell.
 
user116211
@0celo7 okay.
 
He is dead :((((((((((((
 
user116211
WTH ;/
 
user228700
3:47 AM
@0celo7 What the hell is wrong with you?!
 
many things
@Kaumudi should I start listing?
 
user228700
@0celo7 No, thanks :-P
 
user116211
@Kaumudi yes, it is the limiting condition that is used to find the limiting value of the initial velocity.
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790 I don't think this is correct :/
 
@MAFIA36790 if you want to read the geometry book by Kreyszig I will read with you
 
user116211
3:48 AM
@0celo7 I have that book and would love to but I'm currently with Royden. Nevertheless, start reading it; it would be exciting.
 
I read it in high school
but I didn't appreciate it
Now it would be a lot easier to read + I'd understand all of it
It's not an advanced book at all
 
user116211
@0celo7 It's Kreyszig, dude.
 
What?
 
user116211
This guy wrote introductory texts only.
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790:
 
user228700
3:50 AM
 
@MAFIA36790 ok, sure
We can read something advanced if you want?
 
user116211
@0celo7 For me, Kreyszig would be advanced too as I have not studied geometry still; but anything you wish; that would be exciting.
 
user116211
@Kaumudi I've seen; but tell me if the velocity is zero at the top, why would it rotate?
 
I think the book requires only calculus
 
user116211
@0celo7 Is it? Great!!
 
3:52 AM
But I think it would be nice to learn some concrete geometry
Before I embark on the journey of classifying (i) homogeneous spaces (ii) symmetric spaces (iii) constant curvature spaces
which will take a while
 
user116211
Go on!!
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790 No, I meant to highlight the fact that the velocity at the lowest point is $\sqrt{4gl}$ and not $\sqrt{2gl}$, $l$ being the length of the string.
 
@MAFIA36790 ok I'll start tomorrow if I have time
I will fly through the book
 
user116211
@Kaumudi where did I write that?
 
user116211
@0celo7 Sure.
 
user116211
3:54 AM
Meanwhile I have to read Royden and then Kelley.
 
user116211
Then there is linear algebra of Hofmann.
 
oh I don't want to do PhD math
no linear algebra
 
user116211
Lanczos is always there; so I'm really full in my hands.
 
user228700
@MAFIA36790 Oh, crap, I read MathJax wrongly, sorry. (It doesn't render on my phone, as u know)
 
@MAFIA36790 Can you take a topology course?
 
user116211
3:57 AM
@0celo7 The book is really great; it has some good problems but very few.
 
It's much better than reading a book
@MAFIA36790 oh, anything?
hmm, we should read Advanced General Relativity by Stewart
I should really read that one day
This summer should be the summer of GR
@MAFIA36790 We could also read Weinberg's GR.
that requires calculus
some PhD linear algebra
and special relativity
Is your internet lagging?
 
user116211
@0celo7 yes.
 
Is India drifting out to sea?
 
user116211
@0celo7 YES!
 
user116211
Anyways, I'm reading Kelley to get into topology myself before my university starts.
 
4:05 AM
what's up with Pakistan these days
 
user116211
@0celo7 No idea.
 
no war?
 
user116211
:(
 
user116211
France has decided to investigate the war-crimes of Soviet Russia and Putin.
 
user116211
That's an interesting news.
 
user116211
4:06 AM
Putin is a peace-loving man.
 
Agreed.
 
user116211
@0celo7 The determinants chapter of Hofmann contains Grassman ring.
 
When I think "peace" I think "Putin, Bush, Kennedy, Hitler"
 
user116211
I'm waiting to read the content.
 
In that order
sometimes Truman too
at the end
 
user116211
4:08 AM
increasing or decreasing...
 
@MAFIA36790 Ah yes
That can get nasty when the field has characteristic 2.
 
user116211
ohh.
 
One has to deal with so-called "cross section permutations"
 
user116211
We are working with the fields of zero characteristic.
 
Ok that makes things nice
trivial even
that's not PhD algebra then
more like
 
user116211
4:10 AM
@0celo7 See? No PhD level.
 
high school algebra
 
user116211
Yes.
 
PhD high school though
 
user116211
That's why I told to read that book.
 
user116211
@0celo7 NO.
 
4:11 AM
I understand linear algebra just fine
ok gotta write this lab report
bye
 
user116211
good.
 
user116211
@0celo7 o/
 
user116211
Another linear algebra problem on orthogonalization process:
 
user116211
16
Q: The need for the Gram–Schmidt process

Salvador DaliAs far as I understood Gram–Schmidt orthogonalization starts with a set of linearly independent vectors and produces a set of mutually orthonormal vectors that spans the same space that starting vectors did. I have no problem understanding the algorithm, but here is a thing I fail to get. Why do...

 
GS is trivial
LA is PhD level because solving equations is PhD level
 
user116211
4:16 AM
Anyways, back to that theorem; it has been late talking...
 
@Kaumudi where is John?
 
user116211
He is enjoying his beer-chair.
 
he's not drinking beet at 6AM
I hope not at least
he'd be a terrorist alcoholic if so
 
user116211
Anyways, I have to show $g(j)\geq j$ by inductive process...
 
as my probability prof would say
 
user116211
4:21 AM
I know $g(1)\geq 1$ by the given condititon and the definition of $\mathbb N\,.$
 
"trivial"
@MAFIA36790 Yes!
 
user116211
And given $g(r)\geq r,$ I have to show $g(r+1)\geq r+1\,.$
 
user116211
That means, I have to show $g(r+1)\geq g(r) + g(1)\,.$
 
user116211
I know the equality arises when $g$ is linear.
 
proof?
 
user116211
4:22 AM
But how to show the inequality case?
 
$g$ is certainly not linear...
 
user116211
@0celo7 yes.
 
user116211
But the equality arises when $g$ is linear, isn't it?
 
do you know that $g(r+1)>g(r)$?
 
user116211
@0celo7 WoW! I mean how?
 
4:24 AM
Figure that out
But once you have that
$g(r+1)>g(r)\ge r$
So $g(r+1)\ge r+1$
 
user116211
okay.
 
user228700
@0celo7 I imagine that he's sleeping :-) He'll be here in another hour at most, I think...that's what he told yesterday.
 
hmm
sleeping
6 FEET UNDER
 
user116211
O.o
 
omg what is wrong with me
 
user228700
4:30 AM
@0celo7 Sigh.
 
user116211
He is a secret member of SETI. Probably contacting aliens with his servers.
 
user228700
@0celo7 Exactly.
 
@Kaumudi fix me
 
user228700
@0celo7 Sorry man, I'm too busy fixing myself.
 
@ACuriousMind has abandoned me
like wth
when are the mods being elected anyway
 
user116211
4:31 AM
ACM has become really busy lately.
 
that's no excuse
 
user116211
He is also busy in preparing his victory speech after the election.
 
I'd be surprised if he won
 
user116211
O.o
 
user116211
Yeh, i know there is the tpg guy.
 
4:33 AM
and Jim
Jim has a PhD in likability
honestly if you don't like Jim, leave
 
user116211
There are two posts.
 
yes
I did not vote for ACM
 
user116211
Jim is good; I want him.
 
tpg is good, too
we need an engineer on the team
 
user116211
@0celo7 WTH; but I respect your choice.
 
4:34 AM
there are better candidates
ACM would be more prone to mod abuse, too
 
user116211
ACM know what moderatorship actually is.
 
user116211
@0celo7 Oh Lord ;/
 
ACM has volatile warrior's blood
 
user116211
Take some rest....
 
no
I'm doing this lab report
 
user116211
4:36 AM
Then complete it.
 
user116211
I meanwhile figure out that inequality.
 
it's not hard
use trichotomy
rule out the two other cases
 
4:54 AM
@Kaumudi or indeed in another 25 minutes!
 
dude I keep thinking you're dead
 
Not for a few decades yet - hopefully :-)
 

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