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Q: Passport without citizenship of that country?

Mark MayoSo I was looking at a travel site where when you make a booking, it asks for both your country of citizenship AND country of passport. I have dual citizenship, and thus am eligible for both passports. So I could I suppose put South Africa for the citizenship and New Zealand for the passport fie...

3 answers within minutes, yet no upvotes of the question. Sigh ;)
 
oops, forgot. you get a +1 :)
 
Some solid answers that surprised me though!
Hehe
We were having a discussion about it at work and couldn't come up with an example
and I was like 'I know how to find out, give me a few minutes'
 
I wonder if there are any more typical or practical answers out there, since mine only apply to a fairly small number of people
 
well even just one example like the American Samoa one is what I was after - specifically would apply if they were travelling on say a cruise ship
and it asked for country of citizenship (American Samoan) and passport (they'd put US)
Not sure your Argo one is particularly appropriate as they're unlikely to be booking cruises or travel on those names, but it's still a valid answer
I wonder if they got to keep the passports afterwards...
and if they could travel on them. Technically they're valid I guess...
 
yeah I suspect they may have had to give the passports back
especially as they had fake names
it just came to mind because of the specific detail of the Cabinet having to secretly authorize the issuance of real passports with fake names to non-citizens
Andrew Lazarus thinking of the American Samoa case at the same time is fun too
 
1:13 AM
yeah
 
Refugee travel documents are almost an example, though they aren't technically passports, but passport-like documents
 
1:30 AM
and again, unlikely to be on say a cruise ship ;)
 
refugees need vacations too :)
 
they have other priorities first, I'd hope!
 
1:48 AM
@Willeke design problem, do you know of any variants of the Chinese snake that allows for a two strand core? I have looked on the net and found nothing. Instead I am using the standard Portuguese sninnet, but I really want to take a project like I described.
 
 
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2:55 AM
um, did Joe Blow post this under a different name? travel.stackexchange.com/a/79230/13650
 
3:20 AM
I understand it is important to know if tap water is safe to drink but... :P
 
3:54 AM
wow, it's weird answer night tonight: travel.stackexchange.com/a/79232/13650
 
 
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mts
6:47 AM
@Willeke I didn't quite follow the discussion here, but: I've flown them once and I can't remember them checking, in general I would not be too worried about hand luggage weight, in case put on a jacket and stuff things into your pockets until you are fine
that was 5 years ago
 
I fly finnair a few times a year. I have never had them check on my hand luggage
Even when I had roll on cabin-luggage as my only luggage. Which is when I feel that companies check the most often
 
I can't believe we forgot about all the various British national passports
 
 
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8:05 AM
@Eugene, a few personal experience lines for Finnair just above this message.
 
@MarkMayo Why? Refugees are people who want to lead a somewhat normal life, get a job, make a vacation, etc. You can live with the status for several years (although you would typically try to get another citizenship whenever you can).
 
I have seen several refugees who were living in a country where they for different reasons did not want to stay for the rest of their lives.
 
Immigrants rarely do, I don't, that does not mean I want my life to be only about one thing in the meantime.
 
Like a lady who had almost all relatives in Canada. She went for the Dutch nationality to be able to visit Canada without too many problems, not to come 'home' at the end of the trip.
 
Also, many refugees are stuck in camps and certainly not in a position to make a vacation, the point I was making is that it's not the only case, those who can certainly wish to go to a country where they can find a job and lead a better life
 
8:14 AM
Others do not try to get the nationality of where they live as they hope to go home, to where they fled from, after a change of gouvernment.
Right there. The ones I met here were working and having normal lives, just did not qualify yet for citizenship or did not want it.
 
Well, yes, that's my point, it also prevents you from being forced to go “back” when your place of origin becomes somewhat more stable (Sweden has been talking about removing Iraqis for example), it simply gives you more options.
 
One family had been going through being denied refugee status but being allowed to apeal for 10 years, in which time two of their children were born and the older two were so intergrated in the country they were just Dutch kids.
In the end mother and kids got accepted, father denied (but given freedom to stay with his family for 'family reunification' reasons) and moved back when the kids were out of school.
 
The Netherlands is particularly stingy with both refugee status and citizenship, in general
 
We are no longer the 'welcoming' country we were known as in the past, and I do not know how long we have been.
Part of that is a high population number for the area but more important is the change from Christian and charity driven to Liberal and money driven gouvernments, I fear.
I just edited a sugested edit, they had used 'iraqi citizen' where the question read 'I am Iranian'. :(
 
8:34 AM
oof, that would have offended someone
 
Indeed
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Q: What is "Sprinter" in the Netherlands?

gatorbackI am trying to avoid construction traffic on Friday morning drive and found a route marked "Sprinter". What does sprinter mean / imply in the Netherlands? Is it a bus? Is it not for driving? I would appreciate any guidance in selecting the route that offers the least traffic at Friday 9:30A...

I am tempted to roll back the edit, as it changes the question completely.
Is that acceptable?
 
8:53 AM
Yes, you're right
 
Thanks
Rolled back.
 
9:15 AM
@Relaxed, to avoid making the comments on the question into a chat. You have also not been in the same shop the OP did see the people buy their bottled water, so you can also not be sure whether it is carbonated or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
9:37 AM
I can be pretty sure
Because I know Germany
That's my point
You have absolutely no reason to doubt it and yet you act as if my (simple, obvious) observation was the one that needs special evidence to back it up
That's not reasonable
Also, one guy just posted stats, a full 83% of the bottled water sold in Germany is sparkling, will you and @JonathanReez finally recognize you were just speaking out of ignorance?
 
I still guess the OP was asking about the 17 % non sparkling.
 
Nonsense, you just wanted to talk about that while having nothing at all to say about Germany. The OP was literally asking why he saw so many people buying water.
 
I admit buying sparkling water with added taste, (no sweetner,) which I consider a different drink from plain water. While mineral non sparkling water is 'plain water' to me.
 
The reason why there are so many is because there are many buying sparkling water. Otherwise you wouldn't have nearly as many, obviously.
 
Relaxed, there is not that much of a difference between Germany and the rest of Europe, how ever hard you try to sell your point.
 
9:44 AM
There is
Have you ever been there?
Look at the comments from people who actually know it, from Jan and others!
 
Not in Munich but I have visited several places in Germany and usually visit supermarkets as part of traveling.
Non of whom are OP
 
And you haven't noticed the Getränkemarkt or the sections full of crates of sparkling water? It's a striking difference with a Dutch supermarket, I don't know how you can overlook it.
 
@Relaxed judging by the selection in Czech supermarkets, I'd say 83% sounds close to the local tastes as well, as there are probably 4 types of sweetened/carbonated water to 1 type of regular water. However this only indirectly speaks about the reasons why people buy water, which would need a poll
 
How does it matter whether they are the OP? You just made another point about Germany not being different, and that's what I was talking about.
OK, I see, and if we had a poll, what kind of disingenuous argument would you make up?
 
in any case I've changed my answer to highlight different tastes as the most important reason
the other 3 reasons probably apply to the 17% who buy still water
 
9:48 AM
Slightly different topic. In the past I helped someone with a very tight budget make a shopping list, she and partner had recently moved countries. On their list was bottled plain water, I asked if she had considered tap water.
 
I.e. they don't explain why so many buy water. But your answer is OK now, I removed my downvote long ago. It's just that the whole line of argumentation sounds disingeneous
 
And in TV programs about shopping/food choices in the UK they have tested and several people who always bought plain bottled water were surprised by how 'the same' tap water tastes
 
@Relaxed I'm not arguing one way or the other, I just happen to know Czech people with different reasons for not drinking from the tap, and I don't believe the reasons are that much different in Germany. I generally find stereotypes about a whole country or region to be untrue, once you start analyzing the stereotype from a scientific point of view
 
Your initial comments made it plain that you did not know/realize the obvious fact that Germans seldom drink plain non-sparkling water, then when someone tells you, you don't want to admit it and continue to talk about your experience elsewehere, and now that the fact becomes inescapable, you ask about polls and talk about the minority who does. Please...
 
@Relaxed I hope you noticed that I did not provide an answer to that water question.
I do however question your automatic 'is it sparkling water' conclusion.
Not just you personally.
 
9:52 AM
Yes, I saw that but I am still not seeing any positive reasons to doubt it beyond the fact that it clashes with your intuition and experience in other countries
And that's even weaker than my (and many others') anecdotal observations
 
@Relaxed I don't see a reason to regard Germany to be different from Czech Republic in this particular aspect, perhaps not even that different from the USA
 
I don't know the Czech Republic
 
I've heard the same stereotypes about why drinking from the tap is bad from people of dozens of different nationalities
 
If Czech people buy water because they prefer sparkling drinks, then it's not different
If not, then it is
Simple, eh?
Meanwhile, if you don't know anything at all about Germany and merely speculate based on what you know about the Czech Republic, you have no business lecturing people about their standard of evidence.
It's not a stereotype, we have stats now! 80%! How blatantly dishonest can you be?
 
In the past (30 years ago) it was true that not all tap water in all of Europe was safe to drink for tourists and you would easily see where to buy bottled water, where the supermarkets had huge selections or volumes you would buy bottled. In almost all of those areas the tap water is up to good levels now, but the bottled water is more available, rather than less.
 
9:56 AM
OK, but how is that even relevant?
 
@Relaxed You have a very strong point, and I agree that sparkling is quite popular. But I still believe that 'tap water is bad' stereotype is a strong reason as well. Likewise 'mineral water is good' stereotype is popular
 
You really really want to talk about that but there is 0 evidence that it's what's going on
 
Like in Germany, many people (still) buy bottled water because they do not trust their tap water or have never changed from bottled water.
 
Incidentally, in the West of Ireland, they had trouble with water quality less than 10-15 years ago and you would find huge bottles of 5L still water in the shops.
That's what happens when the only concern is water quality, not crates of fizzy water.
As a matter of fact, I know many Germans who changed relatively recently, namely East Germans.
And they changed towards fizzy water.
 
I know someone in Ireland who lives in a house with well water, which she happily drinks but would not drink the mains water, while it is proven that most problems with drinking water comes from wells. That is Ireland by the way.
 
9:59 AM
Including a product I haven't seen anywhere else: Bonaqa
That's not spring or mineralwater, that's tap water, filtered, carbonated and bottled with no pretense at having a special origin or composition
It's just highly carbonated
Would be interested to find stats on SodaStream and other carbonation devices btw
I always had the feeling Germany was a big market for these things
Here again, it's tap water, literally but fizzy
 
"Bonaqua is Prepared water by definition. Filtered municipal water is purified by a highly advanced form of water preparation called reverse osmosis"
from their website :)
 
Isn't that what I just said?
 
purification is considered to be their main feature
 
I know someone here who had such a device, stopped using it after a short time, expensive to buy the cartriges.
 
@Relaxed I'm starting to think my own stereotype about Czech Republic is wrong and the people do just mostly like fizzy drinks
 
10:18 AM
And don't get me started on Apfelschorle and Weinschorle! Where else can you get stuff like that? :D
 
Most areas have speciality foods, and in many countries those areas are not nation wide. I would not be surprised not to see those two products when I am in Germany next month. (On the north coast.)
 
It's not a product, it's a mix you can order in bars or make at home
Wine + sparkling water
Although you do find bottled Apfelschorle too
 
In that case I will look on the drinks menu but I am not one for mixed drinks. Pure is the way I drink, whether water, wine or wiskey.
 
Admit it: You wish you won't find them, because you find my generalisation annoying ;)
It's not necessarily on the menu everywhere but people should understand it
 
I was expecting them to be something like local version of apple pie or some such, which would belong in the south of Germany, but drinks spread wider, faster.
 
10:24 AM
The mere fact there is a word and a concept is striking!
Schorle is anything mixed with sparkling water
Juice, wine...
 
Cuxhaven being a tourist town, one of the few (relatively spoken) coastal towns in Germany, I would be surprised if any popular German drink would be unavailable.
 
10:38 AM
Just noticed the other stat provided by Marc Wittmann: Per-head consumption actually grew more than three-fold between 1980 and now, still almost 10% between 2010 and 2014. It's definitely not a case of old habits dying hard.
 
@Relaxed Is that about fizzy water or plain water? I see a lot more of fizzy water consuption, it is the plain water consumption that is old habits dying hard.
 
The growth is about all "mineral water"
80% of which is currently fizzy, so a big part of the growth must be too (80% of 140L is more than the 40L people were drinking in the 1980).
But there is no data in his answer about the growth of still water consumption specifically
Either way, old habits don't explain the current (high) level of bottled water consumption, because it was much lower 30-40 years ago!
Also, I say 80% because it's so huge that details don't matter (in the heat of the argument, I would have claimed victory with 60%!!!) but it's actually almost 85% sparkling, 13% still and the rest flavoured or special in another way.
 
@Willeke thank you. Will visit airport today for just in case confirmation.
 
Flavoured or special in an other way should not be in the same category, in my view but for the small percentage those do not matter.
 
Well, that's two categories actually
I don't have a better word for Heilwasser
1.8% is flavoured, 0.7% is Heilwasser
 
10:54 AM
I understand enough German for Heilwasser, it is water with a high mineral content out of sources known (or believed) to improve health in some way.
 
Yes, exactly
But that's a mouthful!
It's not that I don't understand, it's that I did not have a convenient short name for it when writing my earlier comment....
 
Do we have a Q/A about what documents a non-visa entrant to the UK should bring with them?
 
I think we just add one last week...
Not sure after all, just found one question but it's about a visa holder
I think in principle the rules are the same but it's a different question.
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Q: Are there any documents one needs to provide at the UK Border? (Standard Visitor)

neezaI'm from the Philippines, and 've been granted a (visitor) visa to UK. I will stay there for a month. My relative, who lives there, will sponsor my travel expenses and accommodation. Are there any documents needed to provide at the UK Border, aside from passport (e.g travel insurance, medical i...

 
 
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12:13 PM
yo
 
12:48 PM
@Relaxed I've updated my sparkling water answer, I think you're fully right, the argument was useless
speaking of which, personally I prefer the taste of "boiled" water, no matter the source, as that's what I had in childhood
not sure why boiling changes the taste, but it's noticeable
 
chx
1:15 PM
well it obviously changes what's in the water
 
2:00 PM
I like the taste of boiled water, infused with tea or coffee!
 
2:42 PM
@Fiksdal, while I am not completely sure, I think that getting double nationality and different names for a baby, still to be born, is not a travel question.
 
3:03 PM
@Willeke OK, I'm not sure either.
 
I thought it fair to warn her that her question was not likely to be suitable. I do hate it when people just click a button that gives the 'ask a new question' text and then close vote when they do as 'wrong for the site'.
 
Good point
 
 
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4:21 PM
@Fiksdal, can you combine business and tourism on one visit and if so, if he books a few business meetings, will he be allright for a few weeks visit?
 
4:39 PM
@Willeke Yeah, if you have some sort of business aspect of your trip then it's much better.
I mean, everyone kicks back a little bit during business travel.
 
Would you be able to weave that in your answer?
 
@Willeke Will try
 
4:54 PM
@Willeke Done.
 
that made a good answer into a great one
 
:)
 
You already got my +1, no option to give a second.
 
Haha... I'll make a feature request on the main Meta that @Willeke should be able to give me +2 per answer :)
 
LOL
 
 
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mts
8:17 PM
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Q: Sweden to Japan by road?

user2626169For example, a Japanese man wants to go from Sweden to Japan by road. He will donate a Swedish fire truck to Japan. He wants to go through Denmark, Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Iraq (Kurdish Region), Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, China, North...

Q of the day right there. At least OP is worried about the Bosporus bridge and not getting a fire truck through North Korea...
 
Maybe Swedish firetrucks are made of sterner stuff than our Dutch ones but I would fear for my back on anything but good new roads when using them any stretch of time. That is going by reputation, never riden in one.
I do not expect Japanese to be happy with a run down Swedish firetruck which does not fit with local requirements either.
I expect OP to be a teen with a fantasy.
 
yeah I wasn't aware Japan was looking for donations of fire trucks, they are capable of making their own
 
mts
I'm considering to throw in a semi-serious answer, just checking ferries to Japan
 
honestly, getting into North Korea with the thing has to be easier than crossing the DMZ
people have been allowed to cross (e.g. reuters.com/article/…;, but it's incredibly rare
and tensions are pretty high right now
 
What is DMZ?
 
8:27 PM
the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea
 
Ah, yes, thanks
I think there will be plenty of difficulties before there and he is not even likely to get that far.
 
Yeah. It's sort of in the "if you have to ask such a basic question, you don't have a clue" category
 
I have followed a guy in his blog who used horses to cross from Mongolia to Hungary, he had to leave his first set of horses at one border to buy new ones at the other side as it was impossible to get the paperwork sorted, there was NO permission possible.
He had some more difficult crossings, no easy ones as far as I remember.
Mmmm, Only 24 votes today. I could spare a downvote for him.
I just checked out his other content, quite a few about crossing borders by car or motorbike. Confirms my 'wet dream' picture.
 
didn't realize he had a history
 
mts
almost trolling
did get one serious A from me once and not even accepted
 
8:43 PM
he's got French and Spanish citizens with motorcycles, a Spanish citizen with a car, and a Japanese citizen with a firetruck?
 
Reminds me of (likely) a guy we had a while back who asked impossible questions about crossing big parts of Europe in very short times.
This is the guy I remember, at least he did accept answers: travel.stackexchange.com/users/43274/wout-huygens
 
 
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10:32 PM
@JoErNanO or others, if the OP does not complain in META, please make a ruling for this anyway in chat. Ping me because I may be writing a program.
 
10:46 PM
Re the fire truck: I heard Japan had a severe lack of left-hand drive fire trucks
 
interesting, but Japan and Sweden drive on opposite sides of the road, no?
 
yes :)
 
I doubt they want a 50-odd year old one from when Sweden drove on the left :)
Högertrafikomläggningen (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H) might be my favorite word in any language though
 
left-hand drive is when you drive on the right...
 
yeah let's not have that argument again :)
 
10:50 PM
BTDT
 
 
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11:53 PM
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Q: Removal at Heathrow Airport How long and how do obtain Entry clearance

michcliveHi please help I need to travel to the UK from South Africa to attend a function and meet my boyfriend's family the first week in October he will be my sponsor but believe I need entry clearance as I was removed previously about 6 or 7 years ago at Heathrow because I tried visiting a friend tha...

their friend lied and told the Heathrow border guards that she wouldn't let the OP stay with her because she thought that would help?
 

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