The 2nd Monitor

Olzhas Zhumabek

1:00 PM

@Pimgd, some form of delegates?

Mast

@Pimgd Not even lambdas?

Those are probably considered a class now I think about it...

Pimgd

Those are anonymous classes (runnable maybe)

true anonymous functions can be seen in JavaScript and the like

Crazy Ninja

Morning!

small java method:

  public static Identifier getIdentifier(Identifier[] identifierArray, String label)
  {
    if (identifierArray == null)
    {
      return null;
    }
    for (Identifier identifier : identifierArray)
    {
      if (identifier.label.equals(label))
      {
        return identifier;
      }
    }
    return null;
  }

any improvements can do for this?

Dan Pantry

@Quill Nothing, I just have a Mac from work

and it is very, very nice

Mast

@Pimgd Are you comparing JavaScript and C++? Heresy!

Dan Pantry

1:04 PM

And I need a personal laptop.

@Mast both-are-footguns

Mast

@DanPantry At least in C++ you'll know why it blew off your foot.

In JavaScript, you'll just go 'wat'.

Dan Pantry

Currently working with Kendo UI's MVVM bindings. I can confirm. I watted so hard I could power a microwave.

2

ended up having to code this hackfix just to get the form to detect changes properly (because Kendo is using magic rather than clear JS)

Quill

@DanPantry I would go with a Macbook Pro

Dan Pantry

  forcefullySetContact(contact: 'primary' | number) {
    // Because Kendo is really silly and uses MVVM bindings (which don't play well with
    // contactDropDown), we have to forcefully set the dirty flag to make sure that it saves
    // any values we set to it.
    Object.assign(this.dataItem, {
      Contact: contact,
      // Dirty is a flag from Kendo. If it is set to true, the
      // grid will re-submit.
      dirty: true
    })
  }

Pimgd

@CrazyNinja not very quickly...

Olzhas Zhumabek

1:06 PM

@CrazyNinja, you're better off asking it on the main site

Pimgd

recommend you make a question

Olzhas Zhumabek

there you will get much more complete review, probably much faster

Crazy Ninja

I thought it's not worth a question

Quill

If you get a Macbook Pro with lots of ram, you can always just boot it with Windows or whatever linux distro tickles your beard

Dan Pantry

@Quill, Yes, that's what I am thinking. I think I'm on a 13'' one now, which I could go out and buy right now if I wanted. Anyway, I'll be quiet until site business is over.

Crazy Ninja

1:07 PM

meh...

Mast

@CrazyNinja So make it a tad bigger.

Quill

@CrazyNinja We've got the time to review it, if you want to make the time to ask it :)

2

Crazy Ninja

@Quill hahahah....

Mast

Make sure you give it some context.

Crazy Ninja

no worries

Mast

1:08 PM

What does the input data look like, etc.

Pimgd

smells like you need a Map<String, Identifier> though

Vogel612

^^ that.

Crazy Ninja

actually i don't have not much context to provide. When I saw that null checking, felt a coding smell

Vogel612

also avoid null. it's a pain

Dan Pantry

@CrazyNinja You have a good sense of smell then, generally speaking you should avoid null

Vogel612

1:09 PM

@CrazyNinja well there is context missing. Where does the Identifier[] come from?

Pimgd

sure hope that array doesn't contain null

or null labels

Crazy Ninja

I was just updating my local code base from repo and saw this change

Pimgd

have you considered going to the one who made the change instead of asking us?

Olzhas Zhumabek

@Pimgd, great point. I was just about to say about longer messages :)

Trojan404

I was at 22 days straight on CR and I missed Sunday.... lol

Pimgd

1:11 PM

70 days consecutiveeeee

and counting!

Dan Pantry

lol @Quill. Guess what? in order to block the apple store in work the entire apple domain is blocked

So I can't check the price of this macbook..

Olzhas Zhumabek

@DanPantry, no vpns? I always own a license for one

Trojan404

@DanPantry proxy :P / mobile hotspot it?

Dan Pantry

13'', 16gb ram, 500gb flash storage, i5

Pimgd

@DanPantry seems okay-ish, weren't you supposed to be doing work? ;)

Dan Pantry

1:13 PM

Anyone feel like checking out the price for me?

@Pimgd I am working.

@OlzhasZhumabek I'd rather not

Olzhas Zhumabek

1300-1800

Dan Pantry

@Trojan404 Mobile hotspot sounds like a good idea given that I just upgraded my mobile connection to 10gb per month

Quill

@DanPantry You're probably better off going with a different vendor, they'll probably be cheaper, and you still get Apple Support

Pimgd

what do you need 10gb/month for

Dan Pantry

@Quill yeah i heard it would be cheaper if someone in the states got it for me

Pimgd

1:14 PM

does your house not have an internet connection

Dan Pantry

@Pimgd My previous was 3GB for £36, which I was running out of quickly

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Poker hand probability - tally best 5 from all combination of 7

Related to Poker Hand Evaluator. This it not the same. This is take best from all combinations of 7. The other is all combinations of 5. Poker is 52 cards - 4 suite and 13 rank: Hand is exactly 5 cards Order of hands Straight-flush all same suite and in order ace high is royal straight flus...

Dan Pantry

My house does have internet but the WiFi connection is flakey and also I'm out of the house most of the day

Olzhas Zhumabek

@DanPantry, it is so. But I believe they are locked or something

Dan Pantry

My new one is 10GB for £39

Quill

1:15 PM

@DanPantry there's probably local stores that could do it fine, and international warranty only lasts 1 year (whereas national warranty lasts 3 years)

Pimgd

(Meanwhile, 200MB/8 eur over here)

Dan Pantry

Plus, 10GB lets me get away with mobile hotspotting instead of getting a satellite internet connection for a laptop

@Pimgd Bear in mind that this is on the tariff with my phone as well

Pimgd

yes same here

Gemtastic

I love my unlimited fiber connection on 100/100 Mbit/s

Pimgd

so how do you stick that fiber in your phone?

pacmaninbw

1:20 PM

@DanPantry It's nasty, but you could us cables at home. I use CAT 6 cables at home rather than WiFi.

Dan Pantry

@pacmaninbw how do you propose I use a cable at home for my phone? ^^

I have a 5G router at home, it's just that my iPhone doens't support 2G

Pimgd

at home you obv use the wifi

Crazy Ninja

time to go home. Cya later!

Pimgd

wat already

I mean, sure, timezones

Vogel612

@Pimgd different timezone

Pimgd

1:24 PM

but still I cannot help but feel enviouuus

pacmaninbw

@DanPantry My mistake

Vogel612

IIRC Crazy Ninja, you're about right behind AU, right?

Gemtastic

1h 30min 'til I get to go home :3

pacmaninbw

@DanPantry I thought you were talking about a computer rather than a phone.

Vogel612

... no comment from the lazy student :D

Gemtastic

1:25 PM

Not sure how to feel, I love my job

syb0rg

@Gemtastic 7 hours... is it Friday yet?

Pimgd

@Vogel612 he went home ofc

Gemtastic

@syb0rg I work 'til 17

Vogel612

@Pimgd no he never left ..

Pimgd

... you don't HAVE to leave the chatroom to leave your computer

Vogel612

1:26 PM

then again I was up until ... 4 AM or something...

Gemtastic

Lazing about in your underwear, writing some code. Sounds sweet.

Vogel612

@Gemtastic I'm sitting in the living room ...

though the short joggers make it feel rather close to that

Trojan404

not even 10 am yet. I'm just starting my day...

Pimgd

the problem with planning vacations ahead by like, 2 months, is that you're staring at the upcoming vacation for 2 months

Dan Pantry

@pacmaninbw nah my mac actually has good wifi signal because it supports 5g. my old windows laptop doesn't so i can't be too far away from my router (read: 2m away)

Pimgd

1:30 PM

(I want vacation too so I can sit around on my ass playing games at first and then programming crap anyway because that's most fun of all)

pacmaninbw

@DanPantry As @Quill mentioned, you can always duel boot your Mac using Boot Camp. I run Windows 7 on my Macbook in Boot Camp. Works pretty well. I also have vmware installed so I can run windows while I'm running OS X.

Dan Pantry

I will, once I get a personal Mac

Quill

.NET core runs on OS X now apparently, so you probably might not even need to run windows (unless you want SQL Server)

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Atomic floating-point addition

I need to be able to atomically add a 32-bit floating point value to a location in memory. Here is what I came up with. While the code is Windows-specific, I'll extend it with Linux support using __sync_bool_compare_and_swap(). While I tested this code and it appeared to work fine, I'll apprecia...

c++ performance multithreading floating-point atomic

Dan Pantry

@Quill SQL server runs on Linux.

None of our work apps are set to run on .NET Core, but this is a personal one, all I would use it for is JavaScript

Gemtastic

1:38 PM

@Vogel612 Well, I didn't specify where you'd be lazing about

;P

Dan Pantry

So apparently Thunderbolt 2 is pretty fast

Olzhas Zhumabek

does C++ compilers recognize CAS pattern and emit appropriate assembly code?

or should I go to SO instead?

pacmaninbw

@OlzhasZhumabek Is this a security related question?

Olzhas Zhumabek

@pacmaninbw, no. Multithreading, compare and swap.

or may be atomical compare and swap would be clearer

pacmaninbw

@OlzhasZhumabek This might answer stackoverflow.com/questions/2368424/…

Olzhas Zhumabek

1:48 PM

@pacmaninbw, it's not about it :) I'll put a question on SO then. Thanks

Captain Obvious

0

Q: A Switch for async function invocations

I have implemented a simple "switch" function - that switches and invokes an alternate function, if the function that is to be invoked fails or timesout. This code will be later employed as part of circuit breaker. I request to review the code in general and in particular for correct use of asy...

c# asynchronous async-await

0

Q: HTML/CSS website turned from PSD

I'd like to ask you for opinions about website. It is training template turned from someone's web design. Generally, I'd like to know what I should improve and how to be more effective with future website projects. Here is github: https://github.com/testerius/enyo What do you think about it? Pr...

html css sass bem

Pimgd

@CaptainObvious vtc link only, pls include code

Trojan404

is there a typical standard for retrying and wait times when something goes wrong, or is it kinda the wild west do what you want?

Pimgd

google "exponential backoff"

Trojan404

ty

Vogel612

1:55 PM

there's also "linear backoff" ...

Pimgd

yeah but I like exponential better

you can also use fibonacci series

Trojan404

expo makes more sense for my project, most everything is automated so if something fails it makes very little sense that it wont fail again

Pimgd

There should be a humanized backoff algorithm

pacmaninbw

I went zombie hunting yesterday and answered a question. Rather than vote it up, since no one seems to like my answer, can anyone tell me what's wrong with my answer? Comments or here. At least I got attention on a Zombie and it will close.

6

Q: Simple OpenGL image viewer in C

I'm making an image viewer and before I continue development I want to make sure I haven't done anything bad. In particular, I was wondering if my error handling is sane. Most of the code is OpenGL/glfw boilerplate, so far all that happens is the creation of an OpenGL context and then I use stb_...

c opengl c11

Trojan404

@Pimgd we can call it the Pimgd Backoff Algo after its creater

Pimgd

1:57 PM

it tries a few times in a row, then tries every 5-60 minutes depending on urgency

when it gets a whiff of success, it will spam requests for a while until it gets a hit or runs out of steam

Vogel612

@pacmaninbw /me knows no c, so I'll abstain

but I have the same problem with my zombie kills from yesterday...

Pimgd

it also does weird things to the url, such as snipping off query params, trying to reach the url via a proxy, http/https switching...

Trojan404

@Pimgd sounds like you got a good idea, now go do something with it :)

pacmaninbw

@Vogel612 Thanks for looking.

Vogel612

0 votes and 1 vote (from OP)

Pimgd

2:01 PM

@Trojan404 I will delete the idea as it sucks

apparently it's both not funny and not useful

I knew the latter attribute already ofc

Trojan404

@Pimgd lol, it has use for those less technical savvy. Then they realize the truth

pacmaninbw

@Vogel612 One suggestion, don't tell the OP their crazy, just explain why.

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Scala: using Mutable list

Consider the following: I have several web pages and each page have list with for example names. i have ListBuffer[String] with several names and i want to search all the names inside my page (or pages in case they exist). val names = ListBuffer[String] So i have this function that return if ...

scala immutable selenium

0

Q: How to simplify a OR ((b OR c) AND (d OR e))

Is there any way to simplify this statement? a OR ((b OR c) AND (d OR e))

conditions

Vogel612

@pacmaninbw where?

pacmaninbw

@Vogel612 This is a decision I frankly cannot understand.

It's too critical.

Vogel612

2:04 PM

wat ...

pacmaninbw

"A better choice would be ..."

Mast

@CaptainObvious Use a Karnaugh map.

Karnaugh map

The Karnaugh map, also known as the K-map, is a method to simplify boolean algebra expressions. Maurice Karnaugh introduced it in 1953 as a refinement of Edward Veitch's 1952 Veitch diagram. The Karnaugh map reduces the need for extensive calculations by taking advantage of humans' pattern-recognition capability. It also permits the rapid identification and elimination of potential race conditions. The required boolean results are transferred from a truth table onto a two-dimensional grid where the cells are ordered in Gray code, and each cell position represents one combination of input conditions...

Pimgd

@Mast this sounds super fancy, but ...

Vogel612

@pacmaninbw soo.. expressing my personal opinion is ... too critical?

Pimgd

does (b OR c) AND (d OR e) need simplification?

Vogel612

2:06 PM

@Pimgd no...

unless those are dependent on one another

pacmaninbw

@Vogel612 I try to write everything impersonal. Need to let the OP keep their pride generally.

Pimgd

@Vogel612 you need more empathy

Mast

@Pimgd No, which is exactly what you find out after plotting such a map.

Pimgd

you've been out of the java loop for a couple of years

you decide to build something.

hmmmm gotta use a UI

Vogel612

@Pimgd so you read up ...

it's only reasonable to expect developers to read up when they were out of the loop for a while

Pimgd

2:08 PM

you grab what you know, swing, because you don't feel like reading docs for 2-4 hours whilst you still have motivation to do stuff.

Mainly because, you know, doing things for fun.

pacmaninbw

@Vogel612 It comes from experience with multiple code reviews in the same room as the author of the code. Don't upset you co-worked.

Pimgd

This is a chain of reasoning I can come up with as a reason for why you'd use Swing.

Vogel612

@pacmaninbw "I don't understand that decision" is as impersonal as it gets...

Pimgd

I am not saying it is good.

pacmaninbw

I used to be overly critical, my boss took me aside and explained things to me.

Pimgd

2:09 PM

I am saying that I can come up with scenarios why you'd use swing.

and find "This is a decision I frankly cannot understand. " perhaps... too strongly worded

Vogel612

> nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. THAT is not the intent of region and using it like that is a utterly stupid idea. You're just paving the way for a god-class that does every. single. thing. ever.

Mast

@pacmaninbw We are not reviewing co-workers here.

Vogel612

^^ that, too

Mast

Being critical is acceptable.

Donald.McLean

@CaptainObvious That's stub code, not real code.

Vogel612

2:12 PM

being critical with your coworkers should be acceptable ...

Pimgd

@Mast Co-worker review

VTC no picture

Mast

@Vogel612 For some values of critical, yes.

@Pimgd You don't have a picture either.

Vogel612

@Mast 'course... dosis venenum facit and all

Pimgd

@Mast whoosh?

It could be a new SE site, Coworker review

3

Mast

@Pimgd Probably?

Pimgd

2:14 PM

it borders between The Workplace and Code Review

Mast

lol

Duga

This might also be a good question for code-review — MX D just now

pacmaninbw

lol

Mast

@Pimgd Area 51

Pimgd

I'd rather not get shot down for making joke proposals

syb0rg

2:16 PM

Hello @Legato

Legato

Hey @syb0rg

Greetings everyone.

Hey @syb0rg

Monking v10

@pacmaninbw Hm?

Just saying hi.

2:17 PM

hmm... I could / should maybe reread a few of my newer reviews ... because @pacmaninbw you seem to have a point at second glance ...

Pimgd

29

Q: How can I be a nice reviewer?

From Remove Nth Node from End of Linked List: Bug: n < 0 leads to you removing the last node. Your solution should have comments: I have NO idea how it works. And that's after reading it a couple times. If this was production code, I'd have wrapped it with unit-tests, thrown the impl...

discussion answers etiquette

syb0rg

@pacmaninbw Hello! haha

Vogel612

\/me is getting caustic lately because of issues with how the site health seems to be degrading, private life and generally stupid humans and the world going mad around us

lol ....

skiwi

My Windows 10 seems to work surprisingly well after the upgrade

Quill

@Duga thoughts on this?

Pimgd

2:19 PM

You should watch Game dev's room, you can relax with popcorn

Vogel612

thanks chat-tool, but I actually wanted /me there...

Zak

I keep forgetting @rolfl has an l in the middle of his handle ^^

syb0rg

@Zak That's why you use the tab autocomplete

@rob0t You're still referable in here?

Odd, he hasn't been on here in days

Pimgd

Why won't it let me talk to myself

Vogel612

@syb0rg 30 days is the referrability limit IIRC

@Pimgd eh? it does ...

@Vogel612 like this

Trojan404

2:22 PM

@Pimgd you just can't autofill your name, @Trojan404 like so

skiwi

@Zak It's rolf L, makes it a bit easier to remember for me :D

Pimgd

@Pimgd I see

pacmaninbw

@Pimgd Thanks for pointing me to that question. It's a good discussion.

Pimgd

hmm?

Legato

Is there a way to give bounties on meta posts?

pacmaninbw

2:27 PM

@Pimgd How can I be a nice reviewer?

Pimgd

@Legato Yes, Meta Stack Exchange only

Vogel612

@Legato not on per-site metas I think

Legato

Sadness.

Vogel612

after all per-site metas don't have rep

Mast

@Vogel612 Sounds like me a month ago.

@Legato Just pimp it into oblivion here.

Pimgd

2:32 PM

True, you could get people to upvote the crap out of it, meta-gold badges are pretty rare

tho 100 votes is really hard to get

syb0rg

2

Rep after Docs Beta on SO

I think you can tell when it was made available

Pimgd

26 total gold badges on meta CR, 15 of which are fanatic (100 days login)

saddest of all, none of the questions have 10000 views

Vogel612

@Pimgd well CR is pretty small and I'm not sure there is gold badges on views for questions that haven't been HNQ

Pimgd

yeah, but, ... all those "iterative review" links

Vogel612

following the rule of thumb, that meta generally has less activity than main sites, it's only expectable

Pimgd

2:37 PM

and still not 10k views

Vogel612

lol yea..

Pimgd

aww seems gamedev fun is over

Vogel612

beautiful and underappreciated scala review could use some love

not mine, btw.

Pimgd

@Vogel612 Date Review.SE

Vogel612

even though I've been pimping mostly my answers lately...

@Pimgd ~smooch (?)

Quill

2:43 PM

No flirting in this chat.

Pimgd

@Vogel612 started

Vogel612

aaand the fun-police is here :)

Pimgd

Wee-ooooow-weeee-oooow

Vogel612

s/.*/Bee-do-Bee-doo-bee-doo/

Quill

@Vogel612 I was here a lot longer, but before I didn't have the police title, I was just fun

Trojan404

2:44 PM

If we flirt with mods, it's not technically flirting. It's attempting seduction :P

syb0rg

5

Quill

that was a long setup for that horrible joke

Zak

@Trojan404 Your name is appropriate to the joke on multiple levels

skiwi

@Zak You could say it's appropriate on 404 levels

Trojan404

@skiwi baddum tish

Quill

2:48 PM

@syb0rg I'm tempted to move this to Nth for dramatic irony

4

Pimgd

Two Drums and a Cymbal Fall off a Cliff

►

syb0rg

Finally solved my linking issue! stackoverflow.com/a/38505896/1937270

Trojan404

@Quill You do that and you know that @syb0rg will never let it go

syb0rg

giddily opens Khronos on Windows

3

Mast

@Pimgd ?

Pimgd

2:50 PM

@syb0rg is distracted at the moment, you could totally go for it

Mast

@syb0rg Smells like a path problem.

Pimgd

@Mast fun with flags

Mast

Ah.

syb0rg

@Mast I think I'll have to do some install stuff internally

skiwi

reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/comments/4uhtpq/…

Pimgd

2:53 PM

@skiwi failed the test a few sentences in

they gotta be better than that for me

Mast

> and I think it's really cute that #love is the most infuriating aspect.

Legato

@skiwi lol wut

This is a simulation?

skiwi

@Legato Yeah

Zak

@Legato It's chatbots trying to learn how to mimic posts from various subreddits. For obvious reasons, some subreddits are a lot easier to mimic than others...

Duga

Overall, this seems like a better question for codereview.stackexchange.com — squint 8 secs ago

Mast

2:58 PM

I was forced to create an account (which I'll never use again) the other day. BAKFIETS was accepted as password.

I thought we were past that era...

skiwi

It just uses probabilistic chances for what word to pick next, so nothing neural networky about it :(

Mast

@skiwi So they can't be taught?

Pimgd

@Mast throwaway website allows throwaway passwords

Mast

What's the point...

Pimgd

@Mast the ultimate reddit question

Mast

2:59 PM

@Pimgd It's like the company recognizes their accounts hold no value anyway.

skiwi

@Mast They do learn from their subreddits though

Zak

@Mast I think they get feedback based on upvotes

But don't quote me on that

Vogel612

@ff524 heya there, welcome to the 2nd monitor

Mast

Welcome!

Vogel612

,

ff524

3:02 PM

Thanks @Vogel612 I have a question for y'all but I'm on the subway and about to go underground and lose service, so I'll wait till I emerge on the other side :)

Quill

woah blue text

Pimgd

You can just... ask it and we'll think about it?

Mast

Do we need to ~~bring~~ ping the cavalry?

Vogel612

huh... don't be so twitchy, guys :)

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Android app - Endoscope wifi live video streamer

Endoscope allows you to fast link two android devices and stream live video from camera one device to another. Video stream is over Wi-Fi. One device hosts live stream and another connect to it. Remember to use Endscope your devices must be connect to the same wi-fi network. You can link to stre...

java android

Mast

3:06 PM

The guy from hoodwinked?

@CaptainObvious VTC CBL

Pimgd

When recruiters call you from your OWN country

and keep talking English (with a Dutch accent) to you

even although you're Dutch

and are responding to questions in Dutch

Duga

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's better suited for Code Review — Scott Holtzman 27 secs ago

pacmaninbw

@Pimgd Do the jobs require English at work?

Zak

Using VBA to build VBScript execution strings wow. Can't see anything at all wrong with that.

Pimgd

@pacmaninbw Yes, programming. But still.

pacmaninbw

3:20 PM

@Pimgd I understand, there are times I wish I spoke a language from India because a lot of recruiters that call me in the US have a heavy accent and are hard to understand.

Mast

@Pimgd Mwuahaha, that's plain stupid.

Vogel612

why do recruiters even call you?

I've just been getting mails....

Pimgd

Because ... once upon a time, I accidentally had my CV with phone number on monsterboard for 2 hours

fking scrapers

Captain Obvious

0

Q: Is there a 'cleaner' way to refactor my 'stackoverlow-like' vote system? Nodejs

Here, I have the logic for a "stack overflow-like" vote system and validation to protect the vote. Just wondering if If there would be a better way to refactor / make this more simple and clean? CollectionSchema.statics.voteCreate = function(o, b) { var whiskeyUpdater = { vote: 0,...

javascript beginner node.js promise mongodb

Pimgd

> stackoverlow

also...

> whiskeyUpdater.vote = b.vote * 2;

multiplying the user's vote by 2

Yeahhhhhhh I dunno

Mast

3:25 PM

@Pimgd Usually a bad idea.

ff524

Sorry, I'm back

Pimgd

@CaptainObvious this is what happens when you overshoot the ballmer peak

whiskey everything

syb0rg

@ff524 Welcome back!

ff524

I have a couple of high school research assistants with me this summer, and I would like to train them to properly use CR as a resource. But I'm a little scared, because they're kids and people on the Internet...

I already have a whole "curriculum" for teaching kids how to ask for help on the Internet (mailing lists and SE),

but I've never posted on CR myself, and I'm nervous about teaching these kids to use a site when I'm not a regular user of it.

Pimgd

Oooh nice nice

That's a great idea

ff524

3:30 PM

thoughts? Is it a terrible idea on my part? How can I make sure their first CR experiences are positive ones?

I plan to "craft" their first post together with them,

but since I'm not a regular CR user myself, I don't know...

Pimgd

hmmh, well, generally we'll take anything that contains real code that is "finished"

e.g. works and doesn't have //TODO make this work for inputs bigger than 1 sort of things left in it

ff524

Yeah, that much I knew. I read the help center :)

syb0rg

@ff524 I would recommend posting something on your own first, and that way you test drive the site yourself and then have something to reference when doing this with your students

Pimgd

That too

syb0rg

Also, looking at highly upvoted past questions to see their contents helps

ff524

3:32 PM

My main hesitation is that they're really beginners. Like, they might know about loops and arrays and classes and functions and stuff, but when they write code they don't use any of that unless instructed. That's why I thought CR would help them, but I'm not sure how those kinds of posts would go over here.

syb0rg

Note: punny titles correlate with higher post scores

Pimgd

Code Review only slams down hard on questions that have broken code and no code at all

ff524

@syb0rg I can probably help them come up with a punny title :)

syb0rg

@ff524 We do have a beginner tag for this reason

Pimgd

We're not Stack Overflow where you'll get -5 for looking in the wrong direction (okay, that's a bit exaggerated...)

pacmaninbw

3:34 PM

As @syb0rg says, have them use the beginner tag.

Vogel612

@Pimgd actually -5 is rather common for blatantly off-topic questions ...

syb0rg

@ff524 I'd also encourage them to review code themselves, as that is where a great deal of learning will occur

Pimgd

@Vogel612 You can get massive downvotes for not providing mvce on SO

Vogel612

I also agree with @syb0rg you may want to pick out the strong learners and do a paired review with them. You can trickle that down to the weaker students

Duga

Since your question involves improving already working code, would it not be more suited for Code Review Stack Exchange? — Bryce Drew 46 secs ago

Vogel612

3:36 PM

this intensifies the gap between their competence though, so it might not be a good idea :/

pacmaninbw

@ff524 They might want to look at highly upvoted answers as well.

Pimgd

hmmmh

EBrown

@SimonForsberg Perfect! I'm going to get started on integration tonight then.

Pimgd

What assignments are they going to get?

All the same?

ff524

@syb0rg My plan was to do a quick IRL code review with them today so they can see how it works, then have them work on putting together a CR post with whatever comes out of that. I would look over their CR post before they actually post it.

@Vogel612 It's only 2 high school students :)

Pimgd

3:37 PM

ohhhh only 2

Vogel612

ohhh ...

Pimgd

It sounded like 15 or so

ff524

8 mins ago, by ff524

I have a couple of high school research assistants with me this summer, and I would like to train them to properly use CR as a resource. But I'm a little scared, because they're kids and people on the Internet...

I literally meant "a couple" :)

Pimgd

If things are too quiet, try asking a couple of friends whether "a couple" should always mean "two". As with the question of how many spaces should go after a period, it can turn acrimonious surprisingly fast unless all three of them agree.

I guess it could have been 5.

syb0rg

@ff524 Good way to introduce them to the idea of what we do, and filter any bad posts; I like it. I'd also recommend "pimping" their posts here so we can get a better look at them faster (also helps their vote count probably)

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ff524

3:38 PM

@syb0rg OK, I'll do that :)

thanks for the tips

Pimgd

But, are they going to get the same assignment?

ff524

@Pimgd At the moment, they're both working on the same exercise, which has two parts, so I figured one student could post about the first part and the other could post about the second. Pretty soon they'll be working on different projects.

Vogel612

@ff524 you may want to consider having a few pair-programming sessions with them

it tremendously helps learning to have hands-on experience with direct feedback

pacmaninbw

@ff524 Make sure they take the tour so they can get their first badge quickly.

ff524

@pacmaninbw Good point, thanks :)

syb0rg

3:42 PM

@ff524 What language are they using, out of curiosity?

Pimgd

they're probably gonna turn into hot network questions now with all the preparation

ff524

@syb0rg Python, because they need a particular library for their project that is only available in Python. One of them learned Python in his high school, the other previously only knew Ruby, which she learned from codeschool.

Pimgd

boop, 23 files committed in one go

I wish we'd switch to git already

then I can stop doing evil things like this

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Duga

This question may be better posed here, because no question is being asked, only code review: codereview.stackexchange.com — BrandonM 58 secs ago

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because code review requests go on codereview.stackexchange.com instead. — ceejayoz 31 secs ago

Pimgd

Then again, when I'm using git I completely swing the other way, where on average my commit messages are longer than the diffs

Duga

3:54 PM

As you can probably tell, my JS isn't great... Are there any books you could recommend, to help me improve? Thanks for the link to the code review site, didn't realise that existed until now. — Luke 43 secs ago

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Q: Can I remake other people's websites using HTML/CSS (only for education purposes) and post in Code Review?

As I begin to learn Web Development I want to practice as much as possible and I thought that choosing random websites and trying to code them would be a good way to practice and improve my coding skills. My question is: can I do that and post the code here in Code Review to ask for help?

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