The Nineteenth Byte

@Upgoat Europe's favourite humanoid robot (David Cameron) is still trying to give people hope for a "Bremain" result. Definitive results will be available in a few hours.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

What unicode symbol should I map to esc?

I need inspiration.

How about Ω?

mınxomaτ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ␛

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@mınxomaτ That's almost illegible.

quartata

How about an up arrow?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

1:24 AM

I'm already planning on using an up arrow for something else.

What about an up-left arrow?

quartata

Is this for V?

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Woot!

How do you like it so far?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@quartata Yeah.

github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/issues/2#issuecomment-227198595

quartata

Does it mean the same thing as in vi? (command mode)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

It does the same thing as <esc> in vim (any mode)

The only problem is, entering a literal <esc> character into a file (or an online interpreter) isn't extremely easy, so I'm mapping a second higher character to it.

Oh hey, look: U+2196: ↖

quartata

1:30 AM

How about a ditto mark or a pipe symbol? That way it kinda looks like it is delimiting insert text and commands

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Do you mean a literal pipe, e.g. '|' or a similar character?

quartata

Similar char. There is one in cp437 that is split in half iirc that would look good

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

OK. I like the up-left arrow for escape, but I might end up using that one for something else.

I need to pick 62, so there's lots of room to fill.

mınxomaτ

(BTW: Live Voting Results)

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quartata

You could also do code point 127 from cp437. It's a pentagon shape that looks a bit like a house

Since command mode is default I think that is apropos plus it looks more like a key modifier

El'endia Starman

1:35 AM

@mınxomaτ One of the few outside-the-US political events I'm aware of and kinda following. :P

Also wow this is gonna be close.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

This one: ⌂?

quartata

yea

mınxomaτ

British ~~Colonies~~ Overseas Territories voted >90% for Brexit.

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Woah, that's pretty one-sided. Why is that?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

What should I do for 127? (e.g. delete)

quartata

1:37 AM

An x mark of some sort perhaps? Or a back arrow?

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman They have a very particular affiliation with the EU. Watch this.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Does α (alpha) make sense for 0x01? (e.g. <C-a> e.g. increment)

quartata

Can you lay out a full table of what you have so far?

although yes i do think that makes sense

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Sure. What's the best way? Gist?

quartata

sure

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

1:44 AM

Can I upload a file directly to gist? I'm having some trouble getting it to work.

Maybe I'll just make a scratch repository.

quartata

Why not just commit it to V

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

quick question: in PCRE regex, I want to get a string of letters followed by \r?\n, but not include \r?\n in the match

quartata

Use a non capturing group

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

okay, what's that?

quartata

(?:...)

not unique to pcre

El'endia Starman

1:46 AM

@mınxomaτ Seen it before, but watched it again to refresh my memory. I still don't see why the British Overseas Territories want so badly to leave the EU.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm not good at regex

it doesn't work >:| stupid J regex

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Less layers of foreign governments. Though most of the sane people at the London School of Economics already told them that's complete bs.

quartata

It doesn't? Lemme see the regex

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

('(.+)(?:\r?\n)') rxfirst 'asdf',CR,LF

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@quartata There you go.

github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/blob/master/docs/code_page.txt

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:48 AM

yields the entire thing

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

A lot of them are unprintable (which is exactly why I'm trying to fix it)

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ two things

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Would you mind also refreshing my memories on why people want to leave/stay?

quartata

one + is greedy two if you are already storing the other part in a group you don't need to do anything special the group won't have the other stuff

in fact all you need is ([^\r\n]+)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks

quartata

1:52 AM

you can drop the parens if you don't need a capture group

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks a lot. my brain is fried

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman There are no economic benefits of leaving (and it'll complete fck over Scotland who rely 100% on EU rents). People just want something radical to happen, no matter what. Source: HM (British) Treasury, Bank of England, IMF, OECD, National Institute of Economic and Social Research, pwc, Oxford Economics & The Centre for Economic Performance

The argument of Brexit-campaigners is (quote): "People are tired of experts who tell them what to think."

quartata

seems legit

El'endia Starman

Interesting that there's a sort of backlash against authority happening in both the UK and the US.

mınxomaτ

Source on the last one: youtu.be/GGgiGtJk7MA?t=60

@El'endiaStarman See, if people are bored they radicalize. Extreme solutions to non-problems are emotionally satisfying if done quickly (one can observe a similar effect in court sessions), while actual solutions to real, long-term problems are ignored because they take to much time.

It's the old "I'll take the $95 today, instead of $100 in two weeks." issue.

El'endia Starman

2:02 AM

Human psychology strikes again. -_-

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Just curious, is anyone here from the UK? If so, what are your thoughts/opinions on the matter?

Also: strawpoll.me/10571899

El'endia Starman

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I know @VTCAKAVSMoACE is from/in the UK, but he doesn't seem to be in here at the moment. I think there's at least one other, but I don't remember who.

mınxomaτ

Someone with a yellow gravatar afaik.

quartata

Muddyfish

I thought

@mınxomaτ Oh yeah wizzwizz

mınxomaτ

And timwi

quartata

2:08 AM

and ArtofCode too I believe

mınxomaτ

q=from+the+uk&user=&room=240

quartata

Got quite a couple of UK regulars then

trichoplax maybe? dont recall

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I think I'm not informed enough to have an opinion on the matter. >_>

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan @Randal'Thor voted to stay iirc.

mınxomaτ

(Where the 1.9k users of codegolf.xyz come from)

Quill

2:16 AM

@Upgoat hey look it's me

o_O

o_O indeed

^

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Up the EU!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:D

El'endia Starman

2:18 AM

> Page updates automatically

Upgoat

@Quill :D

El'endia Starman

Not in my experience.

mınxomaτ

m2

F5 it is.

Rand al'Thor

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan The results of that just show that SE users tend to be more intelligent than most.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, same. Also, wow, 70% voter turnout!

mınxomaτ

2:20 AM

Lol, the last local vote where I live had 21% >.>

R. Kap

Vote for what?

mınxomaτ

Parts of the city government.

El'endia Starman

Hmm. That map would probably benefit greatly from doing some sort of blend with a neutral color in the middle.

Zizouz212

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I disapprove of the lack of the following options: "I don't know."

El'endia Starman

After all, what matters is the total popular vote, right?

mınxomaτ

2:25 AM

@El'endiaStarman bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36044026

Most important though:

> The referendum result is not legally binding. Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the EU, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

Zizouz212

@mınxomaτ "legally binding" - so the referendum means nothing?

El'endia Starman

@Zizouz212 It's a way to hear the voice of the people.

mınxomaτ

@Zizouz212 It's a poll. Parliament decides.

Zizouz212

Haha, I know... In theory, it does mean nothing. Parliament can easily ignore it (but then good luck getting re-elected)

mınxomaτ

But since the UK will get the EU presidency in later 2017, I guess they'll wait anyway until after the apex of their political power within the EU.

R. Kap

2:30 AM

Does anyone here have any input for this Java answer?

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ So, it's possible that the UK would become the temporary figurehead/country in charge of the EU, and then say "Screw you guys, I'm leaving!"?

mınxomaτ

@R.Kap (String X=new String();String Y=new String();String Z=new String();) I have no idea about Java, but is there really not a better way to do this? An array maybe?

@El'endiaStarman Yeah.

El'endia Starman

Sounds like it'd be awkward.

Zizouz212

No one will get elected the following election

Rand al'Thor

@El'endiaStarman WTF.

Zizouz212

2:33 AM

Someone's upset.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:48 AM

@Randal'Thor why do you want to stay in the EU?

I don't think you should leave either, just wondering the reasons for each side.

Zizouz212

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Why are you questioning?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10 secs ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I don't think you should leave either, just wondering the reasons for each side.

ninjuic'ed

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Because leaving would be obviously terrible and wreck the country.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor that gives no information at all, just fyi

@Randal'Thor okay

everywhere or one specific country?

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Hey, it's 4am - don't expect me to be too articulate :-)

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ A few, but I'd rather not say too much.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:55 AM

okay

just wondering if you are from one specific country or not

@Randal'Thor lol

BTW, VTCAKAVSMoACE is the other main PPCG'er who is UK.

@Randal'Thor o_O are you UTC? Google says no.

mınxomaτ

It's 5am here, so I guess he's right.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@El'endiaStarman hwat

I'm in England, yeah.

Rand al'Thor

in Mos Eisley, yesterday, by Rand al'Thor

@Ixrec I wouldn't be seen dead waving a Union Jack. You guys in here think I'm more British than I am, because this place is full of Americans :-) I see myself more as a European than a Brit.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Oooh Brexit polls are tight.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=hwat&room=240

@VTCAKAVSMoACE yeah

@Randal'Thor O_O

Rand al'Thor

2:58 AM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE And looking bad :-(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

not even a tardis one?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Randal'Thor Depends who you ask. ;)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Rand al'Thor

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Which way did you vote?

mınxomaτ

I care because I have a company in the UK. And lemme tell you, EU tax regulations are probably better than anything the UK comes up with.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

2:59 AM

IIRC he is a trench coat with no voting rights

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Randal'Thor Can't vote, but I'd vote leave, personally.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mınxomaτ lol

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Correct.

Rand al'Thor

Eurosausage - Yes Minister and Brexit

►

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

kinda sad, seeing how he is vintage and everything

@VTCAKAVSMoACE why leave?

For that matter, why stay?

IM CONFUSED WHY THIS EVEN MAKES A DIFFERENCE

mınxomaτ

3:00 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ It doesn't decide anything.

Parliament does.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

but why leaving/staying even matters

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ As far as I see, even though there is the benefit of free trade and communal trade between UK and EU, it also pulls liquidity from UK to help the poorer nations of EU, which UK doesn't like (for the most part)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

so that's it?

doesn't seem much

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You'll find out tomorrow if Leave win and the economy collapses, the PM resigns, and half the country begin making plans to emigrate.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

just rename yourself America v2.0 and be happy

VTCAKAVSMoACE

3:01 AM

There's also the recent issue of immigration, which, when tied with the free movement through Europe, there's a big problem with a lot of conservative parties.

Rand al'Thor

God no.

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ NO.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Randal'Thor I wouldn't be surprised if the EU suffers economic problems more than the UK, to be honest.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor it could also be "You'll find out tomorrow if Stay win and the economy sinks into a hole, the PM commits suicide, and half the country begin making plans to leave the EU but stay in UK."

mınxomaτ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE And the absurd amount of money the UK would have to pay to the EU for market entry as an independent country is far greater than any cashflow from the UK to the EU as of now.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor YES

MAKE UK GREAT AGAIN

Hm, leave is winning so far

VTCAKAVSMoACE

3:02 AM

@mınxomaτ Assuming that they wished to continue free trade and communal trade between them, which they don't necessarily.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE @mınxomaτ opinions on America v2.0?

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Nobody's indicated the first two of those are likely to happen, and the third seems impossible in that scenario.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ status-declined

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:(

@Randal'Thor i was joking, but okay

strawpoll.me/10572273

why hell no

im sad pepele dont like my creativies names

im going to stop spelign

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Overnight, as Leave have taken the lead, the pound has dropped sharply on the stock market, various politicians have called for the PM's resignation, and some of us have been talking about leaving the country. This isn't idle speculation here.

mınxomaτ

3:05 AM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Basically all financial institutions (main source of tax income in London and City of London), will relocate. They have all said they will switch to alternate locations within the EEA if the UK does leave.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor ._.

that is saddening

mınxomaτ

@Randal'Thor The € is currently falling, too. And markets didn't even open yet in mainland Europe!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor Star wars spoilers, courtesy of reddit: Snape kills Han Solo, Chewbacca is Jesus' son.

>_>

Rand al'Thor

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Bleh, Star Wars.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

ik you hate it

bask in the glory

mınxomaτ

3:12 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ There's probably a "church" that believes that somewhere.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

Quill

@Randal'Thor It's also concerning as an Australian (part of the British Commonwealth), apparently our international travel visas would get cancelled and our economy would drop alongside yours

R. Kap

0

A: Decode a Microsoft MS-DOS 5.0 FAT directory entry

Java, 1721 1587 1573 1560 1511 bytes: import java.util.*;class A{int Q(String a,int b){return Integer.parseInt(a,b);}String P(int a){return Integer.toString(a);}ArrayList<String>B=new ArrayList<String>();void J(String O){B.add(O);}String TD(String l,String p,int a,int c,int d){String X,Y,Z;X=Y=Z...

Down to 1511 bytes now. :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

noice

crossed out 4444 is still regular 4444

Quill

I think now's the time to ditch Australia..... I wonder whether I could get away in all that smoke coming from Europe

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:16 AM

hahaha

mınxomaτ

Heh

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ o_o

Quill

Although the smoke isn't coming from Europe... it's coming out of David Cameron's ears

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE WTAFFFFFF

WHY

WHY DID YOU EVEN PING ME ABOUT THAT

mınxomaτ

> I just deepthroated a croissant.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:17 AM

WHYYYYY

R. Kap

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Don't forget that Chuck Norris destroys the entire universe in the end.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

WHYYYY

VTCAKAVSMoACE

lol

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

do you know that person?

mınxomaτ

@Quill The robot's brain is overheating.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:18 AM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE

R. Kap

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Using a Nokia.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ The "VTC is love" guy?

No.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE seriously, do you know that person?

@VTCAKAVSMoACE oh okay

VTCAKAVSMoACE

He was in a group chat that I was added to.

I'll send you the whole conversation on Skype if you wish.

Alrighty, sent.

Quill

3:20 AM

@mınxomaτ Maybe the EU are going to find out he's a robot, so that's why he's pushing to leave. What a conspiracy this is. We'd better ask on Skeptics

mınxomaτ

afaik Cameron == android is a running gag

Certainly in Brooker's shows.

Rand al'Thor

@Quill Wait, Cameron isn't pushing to leave.

mınxomaτ

^

Others are pushing him to leave

Quill

That's what they said on the radio this morning.... hmmm....

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE I have to say, wtaf, again.

wtaf

I gtg to bed, bye!

mınxomaτ

3:23 AM

wsj.com/articles/…

VTCAKAVSMoACE

bai

Quill

Life lesson, kids: Never trust Australian radio stations

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

mınxomaτ

@Quill They've just got their facts ... upside down

3

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rekt

Quill

3:25 AM

@mınxomaτ ಠ‾ಠ

3

mınxomaτ

( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)

aditsu

fecking brits.. y u wanna leave? :/

VTCAKAVSMoACE

My region voted "leave".

I swear, I always leave for the important things. :I I'm in America right now.

mınxomaτ

Not much of an upgrade hides

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE why?

mınxomaτ

3:32 AM

> 91 results left to declare

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mınxomaτ finds and kills ruthlessly /s

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Long story.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE okay

mınxomaτ

Right now: Pound's value drops to its lowest level since 1985 ahead of result of UK's EU referendum

aditsu

the yen went up like a rocket

Geobits

3:36 AM

Holy crap, the yen is at 137 from people moving their currency. I wish I'd known that was going to happen.

aditsu

@Geobits 137 what?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

seriously going to bed now, bye!

mınxomaτ

The Bitcoin gained $300 and 200 € per BTC in the last 24h.

Geobits

@aditsu 137 yen to the pound.

aditsu

right

closer to 136 now

mınxomaτ

3:43 AM

So there we are, the result is pretty much clear now: Leave.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

?

Geobits

Wow: GBP to JPY chart

Rand al'Thor

@mınxomaτ Noooooo :'(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

keep it the same so tim peake can go back

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Holy.

aditsu

3:46 AM

still dropping like a rock

mınxomaτ

Well, currency traders are having a blast today.

aditsu

except the ones who lost money :p

Geobits

Hmm. My naive mind thinks that while people are still freaking out about this, it would be a great time to buy some pounds >_>

I'm guessing it will stabilize higher than it is now.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Dude you can see the Yen just dropping.

Upgoat

@Geobits oh god

Geobits

3:52 AM

So. What are the odds the parliament actually goes through with leaving?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Geobits If the referendum goes through? Likely.

Geobits

They still have to repeal the treaty, right?

mınxomaτ

@Geobits Not only that. Laws have to be created to even lay the legal groundwork of leaving the EEA.

Geobits

Sounds like work. If they're anything like the US Congress, it'll never get done anyway and this'll all have been just for lulz.

I don't know what their power balance is, or if they're deadlocked, etc.

aditsu

the US is still no. 1 at not getting things done, it's very hard to compete with that

mınxomaτ

3:57 AM

They'll have the EU presidency in 2017. But I predict large amounts of bank lobbying will prevent a Brexit altogether

Geobits

@aditsu At least we're still in first for something I guess.

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