The Nineteenth Byte

XD

@Geobits oh well. some action is better than no action, I suppose

mınxomaτ

@himarmjr ditto

Geobits

12:02 AM

@Quill That's usually the case ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Can you please pull MATL?

@Dennis Hey, congrats!! :-)

12:18 AM

Thanks!

@LuisMendo Pulled.

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Always so fast :-)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Since the bot doesn't seem to be working, thoughts?

12:37 AM

@CrazyPython idk

May 27 at 4:29, by orlp

Upgoat would win the election though

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ

Bleh, building toolchains is annoying

Q: Shortest simple regex matching a binary word

9

Task Define a simple regex as a non-empty regular expression consisting only of characters 0 and 1, grouping parentheses ( and ), one-or-more repetition quantifier +. Given a non-empty string of 0s and 1s, your program should find the shortest simple regex matching the full input string. (Th...

I conjecture that the longest one would be 9 characters long

namely, 1+(0+1+)+

And without brackets the longest one would be 1+0+1+

And without + the longest one would be 101

10101

1:04 AM

@mınxomaτ ._.

._. why does code throw error and continue to work

DURK MAJIK

also, not enough avocad?

try pouring teh juicez in

Additionally, in the brackets only these are possible:
0
1
0+
1+
01
10
01+
10+
0+1
1+0
010
01+0
101
10+1
0+1+
1+0+

$ cheddar juic
/usr/local/bin/cheddar: 6: /usr/local/bin/cheddar: [[: not found

  Usage: cheddar [files ...] [options]

  Options:

    -h, --help         output usage information
    -V, --version      output the version number

@himarmjr ^

Q: What does the "Fi" in "Wi-Fi" mean?

Additionally, the conjecture is proven, because the LCM regex is 0+(1+0+)+ or 1+(0+1+)+ or 1+0+ or 0+1+ or 1+ or 0+.

93

I just got into a heated discussion about Wi-Fi. What does the Fi in Wi-Fi mean? I would have thought potentially "frequency interface" since all network adapters are classified as interfaces. However I'm not certain. Hopefully this is considered an appropriate question to ask on superuser.

networking wireless-networking network-adapter terminology

I always thought it meant Wireless Fiber :o

1:19 AM

I always thought it stood for WiFi-Fi

:|

I always assumed it was Wireless Fidelity

Like Hi-Fi

Geobits

Ad campaigns are good at that.

Um, yes, I earned the Marshal badge. Years ago. And certainly not twice. Wth?

Yeah I was wondering about that

Q: Excavator and Marshal badges are being awarded over and over

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The excavator has been awarded to... many users just some time ago. What a... bug? Certainly it is, too many unavailable posts :D Seems to affect Marshal and Excavator. Also looks like it's everywhere. SO's got a similar problem a couple of minutes before. Moreover, I can has THREE X mar...

bug status-completed badges

1:31 AM

ಠ_ಠ they used python to make node ;_:

I disapprove as well, but for different reasons.

@Upgoat they used python to make npm

@Quill ;¯;

upside down eyes + eyebrows

Dammit, I forgot to tell crosstool-ng to build a C++ compiler too. gotta do it all over again

2:11 AM

@Upgoat ikr 10/10

Maltysen

@Upgoat \o/ ;P

Can anyone who has node installed run bash <(curl -s cheddar.vihan.org/install)? I've updated cheddar and it's installation

@Dennis what is the magic diamond?

@Zgarb Join us!

J

Discussion about the J language (jsoftware.com) (code.jsoftwar...

if you've installed cheddar before. be sure to run: sed -i.bak '/^alias cheddar/d' ~/.bash_profile(then restart your shell)

2:12 AM

@Upgoat yes

@himarmjr Inbox

@himarmjr did it install successfullly? :3

fuck no

;_; eroro?r

readlink: illegal option -- f
usage: readlink [-n] [file ...]
./bin/install: line 14: : command not found
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/_mocha: Permission denied
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/babylon: Permission denied
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/cake: Permission denied
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/codecov: Permission denied
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/coffee: Permission denied
rm: cdrtmp-1465351955/node_modules/.bin/dateformat: Permission denied

lots of error

>_>

wtf you do

2:16 AM

ಠ_ಠ that is your fault

wtf i do

oh wait nvm

run the command with sudo

........ ಠ_ಠ

^^ very important

@Upgoat I put in my password.

2:17 AM

@himarmjr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do you have SIP turned off?

@Upgoat It asked me for my sudo password though?

@himarmjr still downloading script =\= installation script

@himarmjr oh that was me just stealing your password :P

.....

(not really)

0/10 failed in < 1 second

Rikers-MacBook-Pro:~ rikerw$ sudo bash <(curl -s cheddar.vihan.org/install)
bash: /dev/fd/63: Bad file descriptor
Rikers-MacBook-Pro:~ rikerw$ (23) Failed writing body

Rikers-MacBook-Pro:~ rikerw$

2:18 AM

uh oh

okay, could you try manually installing?

Not rn.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ this gif:

gfycat.com/RecklessDazzlingGermanshepherd

@himarmjr D:

strawpoll.me/10427323

@HelkaHomba a specific type of cheese with no holes

Maltysen

@Upgoat pepperjack?

2:21 AM

@HelkaHomba Why not ~~both~~ all three?

you can bake it by running: bash <(curl -s cheddar.vihan.org/install)

@Maltysen no Cheddar

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Not enough time or butter

@himarmjr That's beautiful.

@himarmjr downgoat as heavy

0-0-5 in favor of pound cake o.O

Forget baking, that just seems statistically unlikely

2:23 AM

@HelkaHomba Probably because that's the easiest I suspect

@Upgoat Mizithra?

@Upgoat ;_; i forgot comma and now this means the opposite of what I wanted it to

@Upgoat I already have some in the fridge. But I could try cheddar cheese horns

they better not be goat horns ¬_¬

@Upgoat I gtg eat dinner.

@Upgoat lol

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ ikr

I had chocolate strawberries for dessert today. Now I am very content.

2:26 AM

@quartata you should check the gif also.

@himarmjr bai

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ -1 for not having the doctor's green eggs and ham served by a DJ

5

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ OH MY GOD IORN MAN KILLED YOU

@AlexA. Define "soon".

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba I would if I could

2:34 AM

days...weeks...moinths? :|

> moinths

> goat

Ironman did not kill me. I ironman became me.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba I honestly don't know. I wasn't given any sort of timeframe, only that it was "an oops."

@Upgoat No, he's the doctor for that piece of ham.

2:54 AM

@AlexA. can you pls change my name on PPCG to Downgoat

3:21 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ಠ_ಠ for changing your username and avatar

@Upgoat Well thats-- Iron-ic coming from you.

So Clinton wins. RIP Bernie.

@himarmjr ;_;

oh my god america is fucked

2

No appreciation for that beautiful pun? Not even an acknowledgement? ಠ_ಠ

@Upgoat ikr

But Clinton better be POTUS. The world is fucked if trump wins.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan no.

3:25 AM

Yp s/trump/clinton

@himarmjr both outcomes are shit

btw what should i write for next bloggoat post

about cheddar!!!

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan trump is worse and you missed a closing /

and mispeled yup

yank-line put. trailing / is optional in vim

@himarmjr that's like saying cyanide is worse than arsenic.

Also ^

Although, clearly you should have Y remapped to y$ :P

3:35 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan you need two carrots

@Doorknob I agree in principal, but Y is extremely useful in vim-golf.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan True, but a blank vimrc is implied there.

@Doorknob yes, but not while I'm writing it. I can't handle using a blank vimrc.

Better?

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I always test submissions with -u NONE (and in plain vim, not neovim like I normally use). Just to be safe...

Not -i NONE also? Recursive macros are a pain without it.

3:39 AM

Oh, that's neato. I used to just do qqq repeatedly. Thanks :P

Then again, recursive macros are always a pain unless you're using V. (Hint hint)

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan trump is worse.

6 mins ago, by Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@himarmjr that's like saying cyanide is worse than arsenic.

The douchebag or the criminal. Take your pick.

The criminal.

@himarmjr A criminal would be a better POTUS than a douchebag??

3:43 AM

Because I don't think hillary is actually that bad/criminalish.

Trump is equally criminal, they both have lawsuits pending.

Then Why'd you call her a criminal? :P

Because it was easier than argueing.

It's 20:44 at night, I was up at 4. >_>

@himarmjr why ._.

cause

tf2

shit

chill out

3:50 AM

no

yes

g'night

@himarmjr blame-paws?

yeah

I should do a main question with alex-is-wrong, yingluck, and tag blame-hooves

oooooh got idea

brb jotting down

@himarmjr You really shouldn't.

I'm curious to see as to what ~~monster~~, interesting challenge, comes out of this

@Dennis Do we have a "get the text out this answer" question?

Plain text.

3:54 AM

Explain

@himarmjr Not sure. Probably.

okay

I found "get the html of the answer above yours", but not that.

@Dennis would you count that as a dupe of ^?

@himarmjr it's not a good idea to make tags that are just memes for one question

Q: Output the answer above yours

Yeah.

14

Write a program that outputs the contents of the first HTML <code>...</code> block of the answer to this question that is just above yours when the answers are sorted by votes. Output Top! if you are the top answer. Ignore answers that have negative votes or no <code>...</code> tags. The source ...

code-golf

Dupe or not?

@himarmjr maybe post full proposal in sandbox so we can better give feedback?

3:59 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan 1. you changed your avatar. 2. If you go to the share link for an answer, it gives a question number and answer number (e.g. ppcg.../a/<questionnum>/<answernum>. You ouput the plain text source of the answer that those numbers refer to.

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan at least keep the "DJ" at the end :/

@himarmjr I think so, yeah.

theonion.com/article/…

4:15 AM

I have Folder A at ~/A and I want to move & rename it to /usr/local/share/B. I'm trying to do cp -R ~/A /usr/local/share/B/ but it seems to copy it to /usr/local/share/B/A. Anyone have any ideas on how to address this?

cp -R ~/A /usr/local/share/ && mv /usr/local/share/A /usr/local/share/B

a move command that goes to the same directory renames the target

@Quill anyway to do it without the mv command? That is very ungolfy :P

idk

odd. rm -rfing a 777d dir is giving permission denied

Can anyone with node installed please run: bash <(curl -s cheddar.vihan.org/install) ? I think I've perfected the Cheddar installer.

4:32 AM

@Upgoat If it's Node why not make it a npm module for super easy installing? I forget exactly how it works but then you could do npm install Cheddar

I think I did that for Shtriped

or a docker container >_>

5:05 AM

language design: what if I allow trailing commas in function parameters

@HelkaHomba nah. cheddar is only written in node. not a node tool port package. I'd like it to be independent of node. maybe even auto install node with it

some_func(var1, var2, ) would be valid

@NathanMerrill don't? I don't see the reason typo sorry it

though if you do. the trailing comma should be ignored

I'd allow it for the same reason we often see trailing commas in list literals

though it really is a syntax error. not calling it out would be bad

5:07 AM

it makes for easy copy/paste, especially with multiline function calls

I guess the question is: which is more likely to cause bugs?

I mean, potentially, I removed an optional parameter, and forgot to put it back in. Ignoring the trailing comma would hide that bug

5:49 AM

@NathanMerrill you're not making a golfing lang afaik. you should point bugs out rather than ignore or implicitly deal with it

@Upgoat my desire for trailing commas was with making working with large parameter lists easier

@Lynn ಠ_ಠ see: regex101.com/r/bK2xB1/3 Cheddars tokenizer is much more readable in regex than in formal grammar

its pretty common for tuples/lists to allow trailing commas, simply to make moving parameters around easier, and to make adding another parameter easier

@NathanMerrill :/ true. but doing things implicitly can make debugging harder, maybe just show a warning?

nah, warnings get ignored (unless I lint it, but then its kind of silly to allow in the first place)

its either all or nothing in my mind

and I'm actually leaning towards not allowing them

because rearrangement of parameters isn't really too common of a task, and you shouldn't have long lists of parameters in the first place

so it's providing a feature for poor design

6:52 AM

Hello

7:16 AM

:/ Chat është i vdekur

7:44 AM

@Upgoat so you did not finish Cheddar yet, did you?

Optimizer

8:02 AM

any graphite dashboard experts here ?

@Optimizer Nope.

What, so many users? o_O

I really think that 49 users here now is paranormal.

At this time, there should be 10 users, at most 15. :/

Q: Chat rooms are not receiving question feeds

8:45 AM

:/ ውይይት የሞተ ነው

...

@himarmjr ...

and hello

hai

9:07 AM

13

There seems to be something preventing question feeds from appearing in chat. For one example, the Code Review chat room's feed subscriptions include Recent Questions - Code Review Stack Exchange and Recent Questions - Code Review Meta Stack Exchange, but no chat messages have been relayed from ...

bug chat feed outage

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Apparently all the new question feeds as borked, and meta.se is trying to fix.

Q: Users not being dropped from chat sidebar list

also:

0

Normally, after your session is closed and a certain period of inactivity, you're dropped from the chat sidebar: However, it seems they're not being dropped from the sidebar list. Perhaps this is linked to the chat feeds not updating (a schedular bug?)

bug chat

hm

I have a feeling their schedular is borked

@Quill Ah! So this is the cause of the paranormal ~50 users event!

Any word on what the heck Martin's image is?

9:15 AM

His face?

Also, I missed it when it happened, so may I ask my Martin is called Martin Ender now?

@Sherlock9 He got married!

And imploded this room!

yes and no to ^^ and ^

@Sherlock9 yeah, Martin Büttner became Martin Ender née Büttner

@himarmjr On 2): ಠ_ಠ

I think marriage would implode any room. Or make it explode with noise

9:16 AM

lol

@MartinEnder Belated congratulations :D

How belated are my congratulations? A month?

no

@Sherlock9 No, it's the name change that imploded the room.

May 29 at 19:29, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

And you permanently killed the "I can't believe it's not Büttner" meme along the way. :P

@Sherlock9 little over a week

Riker, you missed the better joke

9:18 AM

I can't believe it's not Ender

...

Martin Endered the "I can't believe it's not Büttner" meme

2

@Sherlock9 which one?

I now can say it.

I can't believe it's not Ender!

^ edited for the starships to ship stars

Well, consider this: "I can't believe your name's not Büttner"

9:20 AM

Hi everyone!

We can milk that for quite a while if people are going to be surprised by the name change for a few more weeks.

Hi Katenkyo

@Katenkyo Hi part of everyone ^^'

Well, darn. That brought the paranormal count to 52.

Paranormal count?

@Katenkyo hello

@Sherlock9 fuck it, i'm done

Q: Users not being dropped from chat sidebar list

@Sherlock9 The 52 people that don't fall off the sidebar.

3

Normally, after your session is closed and a certain period of inactivity, you're dropped from the chat sidebar: However, it seems they're not being dropped from the sidebar list. Perhaps this is linked to the chat feeds not updating (a schedular bug?) My suspicions lead me to believe this i...

bug chat

9:25 AM

@himarmjr XD

Ah. That could potentially be a problem

Q: Chat rooms are not receiving question feeds

Quill also suspects this is related:

16

There seems to be something preventing question feeds from appearing in chat. For one example, the Code Review chat room's feed subscriptions include Recent Questions - Code Review Stack Exchange and Recent Questions - Code Review Meta Stack Exchange, but no chat messages have been relayed from ...

bug chat feed outage

That was me.

He suspects these may both be schedular bugs.

Q: Chat rooms are not receiving question feeds

19 mins ago, by himarm jr

13

There seems to be something preventing question feeds from appearing in chat. For one example, the Code Review chat room's feed subscriptions include Recent Questions - Code Review Stack Exchange and Recent Questions - Code Review Meta Stack Exchange, but no chat messages have been relayed from ...

bug chat feed outage

I can't wait to see the moment we'll have 200+ people in there

the starboard will be crushed!

9:31 AM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I don't drop off the sidebar because I never leave

@trichoplax o_O How?

I don't mean I'm awake for 24 hours a day. I just never close the tab

Ah.

:)

@trichoplax And your PC is on 24 hours a day?

9:39 AM

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 8 mins ago, by balpha

@Quill working on it

@Quill :D

@Quill @zʏᴀʙiɴ101 "schedular" is ~~not a word~~ an adjective

I thought I misspelt it

Bug fixed!

@himarmjr also, I think it should be "né"

9:47 AM

@aditsu Huh, TIL. Thanks.

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 8 mins ago, by balpha

all the same issue, cron jobs not running

New Sandboxed Posts

0

Yup, I need a floor code-golf I recently made a language called yup. It is a stack-based language, and has these commands: | Command | Effect | |---------|-------------------------------------------------------------------| | `0` |...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Url Ping Pong The Challenge This challenge is to make a program that turns your browser URL into a text ping-pong animation. Your program is to set the hash (the part in the URL after the #) to a string of tildes with a PING on it moving to the right. Each tick, the text PING moves one to the r...

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

An A-mazing Mouse You're a [very short-sighted] mouse. You're in a maze. Find the cheese. Concept You are in a maze that exists on a rectangular grid. Each space of the grid contains one of several things: ! - An impassable wall - An empty space, which is traversable O - You, the mouse + -...

Another bug fixed!

@NewSandboxedPosts Wow

yeah, the feed bots broke

fixed now apparently

9:51 AM

19Bot gave +v to NewSandboxedPost

@Katenkyo It's chat.se who gave it +v.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Yeah, but I was doing it old IRC style ^^

SE should have a site about goats, we could call it goat.se

@aditsu Nope.

@aditsu The logo would be a big black O

9:54 AM

If there was such SE site, then it would be broadened to animals and pets.

And called animals.se. :P

@Katenkyo with 2 hands holding it

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I think you don't get the reference...

@Katenkyo goatse dot cee ex?

@Katenkyo fuck no

wtf

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 well goats are on-topic at Pets.SE

9:55 AM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 that's it, don't go in :)

o_o

@Katenkyo the original has been down for a long time

@aditsu Don't know, I don't check everyday if it is still up ^^

me neither, but I checked some years ago

A: Chat rooms are not receiving question feeds

Premature optimization is the root of all evil, so to start this project I'd better come up with a system that can determine whether a possible optimization is premature or not.

^^

5

The scheduler was not running properly for chat.se - we gave it a kick, so it should be fine now.

10:00 AM

I can see them litterally kicking the server to make it run...

yes

10:23 AM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 No, but if I hibernate it instead of shutting down then my avatar never seems to drop off (unless it does on other people's screens and just looks like it doesn't to me)

I gtg back to bed now, bye!

Q: Generate command for FOX 9000 chatbot to generate arbitrary amounts of gibberish

BAI

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Also becoming EasterlyIrk again.

New Main Posts

0

ProgramFOX wrote a bot called FOX 9000 which takes commands and executes them (which has been active in The Nineteenth Byte). One of these is the flip command, which takes an input, and returns the input flipped upside down, with a free Japanese-style emoticon appended to it. For example, Pe...

code-golf math kolmogorov-complexity

11:36 AM

I have to test if it is active

flip (ง°益°)ง

@Katenkyo It's not active here.

But in the Sandbox vv

avocad juic

@Katenkyo You need >> at the start

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

3

5

Hum, it was written as active in the 19B

>> flip (ง°益°)ง

Nope, seems it aint

Peter Peter

11:53 AM

@Katenkyo It seems it has been taken down

@ProgramFOX can you release @FOX9000 in here?

(If everyone else agrees)

I think no bots are allowed in the main chat (or at least, never seen one)

avocad juic

@PeterPeter No, we usually don't have non-feed bots posting in main

Peter Peter

Sep 16 '14 at 17:32, by FOX 9000

@SohamChowdhury I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands

@avocadjuic OK, have to head over to Sandbox then