The Nineteenth Byte

5:03 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do you know if there is a more memory-efficient way to do:

import CheddarLexer from '../tok/lex';
export default class CheddarExplicitEnd extends CheddarLexer { }

oh yes, decorators

@MarsUltor do you know what CheddarFunctionToken is?

Nathan Merrill

huh apparently sorting with a random function makes for biased shuffing

Fisher–Yates shuffle

The Fisher–Yates shuffle is an algorithm for generating a random permutation of a finite set—in plain terms, the algorithm shuffles the set. The algorithm effectively puts all the elements into a hat; it continually determines the next element by randomly drawing an element from the hat until no elements remain. The algorithm produces an unbiased permutation: every permutation is equally likely. The modern version of the algorithm is efficient: it takes time proportional to the number of items being shuffled and shuffles them in place. The Fisher–Yates shuffle is named after Ronald Fisher and Frank...

orlp

5:20 AM

@Downgoat what's the point of cheddar btw?

or rather the goal

Downgoat

@orlp the real reason i made it was I wanted to make a programming language for fun, and to also have a language that does everything I want it to with syntax that I like

:D someone tweeted Upgoat, Downgoat:

Mathematica has a built-in goat recognizer http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/71680 (Upgoat or Downgoat?)

Tweeted by ddavity on February 11, 2016 at 4:44 PM

orlp

@Downgoat why is the goat in your profile picture down?

Downgoat

@orlp because I'm downgoat?

orlp

I saw that edit

tell me about the accident

Downgoat

5:37 AM

@orlp it is very horrible... It was when my kind crash landed on earth...

though because we're upsidedown it's not really "crashing"

May 18 at 3:29, by Alex A.

@Cyoce When his goatship crash landed on our goatless planet millenia ago, he roamed in search of others of his kind. At first he eschewed the humans, deeming them inferior beings. But eventually out of necessity he came to join them in brotherhood and ultimately embrace their culture.

I'm not sure how Alex knows all of this though :/

orlp

how do you walk?

Mars Ultor

> February 11, 2016

Bálint

5:56 AM

@Downgoat Magpies saw everything, magpies are everywhere...

@orlp Snakes can walk eithout legs, why couldn't goats do the same?

Mars Ultor

@orlp They walk on the ceiling

Also occasionally the "right way up", but it's very disorienting for them, so they can't do it for very long

orlp

@MarsUltor wait, those flat-earthers were right?

the stars are painted on a high ceiling?

Mars Ultor

@orlp I meant on Earth, IDK about space downgoats

@orlp Downgoat would definitely feel right at home in Australia

orlp

hrm

Mars Ultor

Downgoat probably finds it annoying stuck in cars/other vehicles and undercover areas

orlp

6:07 AM

space downgoats

Anonymous

I made another kinda crappy tool

Anonymous

@Downgoat More importantly, the favicon is screwed up on Twitter

Mars Ultor

@Mego 0/10 brython

Anonymous

@MarsUltor Brython is 10000% easier to use for me than JavaScript

Anonymous

:29910849 Skulpt is very incomplete

Anonymous

6:19 AM

Do your research before you criticize the choices I made after doing mine :)

Mars Ultor

0/10 Python in browser

Anonymous

More browser languages = better

Mars Ultor

the only acceptable use is probably pypy.js, and only for number computation

Anonymous

Having more options is never a bad thing

Mars Ultor

Flash/Java count, right?

Hmm, are there any live transpilers other than Brython/Coffeescript/Typescript

Anonymous

6:27 AM

Flash barely counts anymore. It's an antiquated, unsafe technology that I'd love to see gone.

Mars Ultor

@Mego But it still counts

Anonymous

And Java is basically already gone, thanks to Chrome giving it the boot, and Firefox is gearing up to do the same

Anonymous

I mean yeah you can do stuff in Flash if you want. You can do stuff in Silverlight if you want, too.

Anonymous

But there are better options.

Mars Ultor

Then the only languages supported are Python, JS, and variants of JS?

Anonymous

6:29 AM

Flash, Silverlight, Python, JS, JS derivatives/libraries, and anything you're willing to install an extension/plugin for :P

Anonymous

We're in an era where you use the internet for basically everything on a computer. Browsers are more important than ever. It's time that they start supporting more programming languages.

Mars Ultor

So

All the extension has to do is link the interpreter with the browser?

@Mego Not basically everything

We do use it all the time, though

Bálint

6:55 AM

@Mego I have a friend, who programs in flash, and still says it's the best language ever

Anonymous

@Bálint You need better friends :P

Bálint

@Mego I know

@Mego The other "programmer", I know can't actually program in any languages, but in unity's version of C# and thinks he's a programmer

@Mego The funny thing, that the flash programmer once downloaded Chromium, and he first said it's a very good browser, and it's really fast, then I told him, that chromium doesn't support flash, and he immedialitely said it's the worst browser ever. :P

I don't know why I want flash to die so quickly, to be honest, I may only want to see those crappy flash sites die.

Anonymous

7:30 AM

Flash has glaring security issues that only increase with every daily (at least, it feels daily) update

Bálint

@Mego Flash: security < speed, JavaScript: security > speed

(Flash isn't fast though)

Anonymous

JavaScript: security > speed > features that other languages have had for years

Anonymous

(like async and await)

Bálint

@Mego It started as a scripting langauge, those were unnecessary

Anonymous

And above all else, maintaining its frail grasp on its monopoly of client-side browser programming languages

Bálint

7:35 AM

Browsers make sure you can't touch anything outside the browser with javascript, flash don't

Anonymous

I want to eventually create a browser-safe version of Python (that's not written in JS)

Bálint

How?

With what?

Anonymous

Take Python, trim down the standard library to remove the unsafe stuff (almost all file I/O, basically the entire os module, etc.)

Anonymous

And then figure out how to safely do imports

Bálint

But with wich language do you want to make the compiler?

Anonymous

7:41 AM

You mean the interpreter?

Bálint

Yeah

Anonymous

C - it'll just be a modification of CPython

Bálint

But then how do you run it in a browser? Sorry for the possibly dumb questions, I'm not an expert in this topic

orlp

@Bálint probably emscripten

Mars Ultor

@Mego ?

Brython doesn't do that?

@Mego Well, JS/node doesn't even have imports yet

Bálint

7:49 AM

Can you guys do me a favor, go to this link: jsfiddle.net/nk5k4j42/2 and tell me if it can run, and wich browser you use and what version of it

Mars Ultor

@Mego frail?

@Bálint link?

Bálint

@MarsUltor Missclicked

I mostly care about firefox, chrome and safari

Mars Ultor

@NathanMerrill But precedence is trivial using a shunting yard

Bálint

Anybody?

zyabin101

8:15 AM

Hello

Bálint

@zyabin101 Can you try out the link I posted above?

zyabin101

@Bálint Works on Mobile Chrome 50.0 on Android 4.4.2.

zyabin101

8:57 AM

Finally had my coffee for today.

Getting to PC now.

zyabin101

9:23 AM

@Bálint Can run but shows dark terrain on Firefox 46.0.1 on Windows Vista.

Bálint

9:34 AM

@zyabin101 Then try to run it again, it's random

zyabin101

@Bálint Running on jsfiddle.net/nk5k4j42/2/embedded/result, shows dark.

Running on jsfiddle.net/nk5k4j42/2, shows normal.

Strange...

On Mobile Chrome 50.0 on Android 4.4.2, it's the opposite too.

Mars Ultor

@zyabin101 No, it's because it's random

zyabin101

Ah.

Bálint

Deeper parts are dark, so you pretty much got one of those

@zyabin101 Wait, you have windowd vista

?

zyabin101

9:49 AM

@Bálint Yes.

Bálint

ಠ_ಠ

zyabin101

ಠ_ಠ

It's pretty much my last system I have an install disk for.

Bálint

Windows 10 is free

@zyabin101 What's the second last system disk you have?

zyabin101

@Bálint It is for legit Windows 7 or 8(.1)? users.

I can't download it.

@Bálint None.

zyabin101

10:09 AM

Git just detected me "copying" the entire file lib/goodbye_translated.rb into lib/goodbye_translated/translator.rb with a "few" changes, with 52% confidence.

Git is strange.

Katenkyo

@Mego A client-side version? It may be hard because you'd need to re-write pretty much everything

zyabin101

Guys, I just found this in the Scouting room.

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Cannabis

Proposed Q&A site for the emerging Cannabis industry, medical users and growers.

Currently in definition.

@BaldBantha ^

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