The 2nd Monitor

1:08 PM

Hey guys, a review would be highly appreciated for this question:

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Q: JavaFX Multi-Page Application Mechanism

I am currently working on a project in Java, and I use JavaFX for the GUI of the System. Currently, I am in the designing phase of the system, where I am designing the look of the system as well as setting up the basic functionality like navigation. I would highly appreciate it if someone can rev...

Gustavo6046

Hi guys I'm back :)

Zak

Personally, I'd post questions about what the best way to occupy their planet would be on their version of the internet, and let some sort of mutual-agreement system decide what would be a good way to take over their planet with minimum fuss. Wait a minute... — BrianDHall yesterday

Mast

Thanks to worldbuilding the real Skynet will be way more effective than the fictive one.

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Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf Hey Hassan, stopping saying that once every few days would be highly appreciated as well.

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Gustavo6046

It would probably be way too complicated for me to review :/

Duga

1:18 PM

Its codereview.stackexchange.com .. — R.J. Robinson 45 secs ago

Mast

@HassanAlthaf Perhaps you should improve the question to improve your chances on getting one.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf This is for you:

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A: Checklist for how to write a good Code Review question

Simon's Guide for posting a good question There are a lot of questions that appear on Code Review, and all questions are fighting for reviewer attention. This is a non-exhaustive list of items that I am looking for in a Code Review question when determining whether or not I should review it and ...

Also, @HassanAlthaf, instead of continuously mentioning your question in chat, try putting a bounty on it.

Duga

If your code is working properly and point of this question is just to seek improvement, then codereview.stackexchange.com is the right place — Rajesh 53 secs ago

This may be a good question for Code Review, so long as: (A) the code works, and (B) it's not hypothetical or incomplete in any way. Please read the on-topic guide before posting, if you choose to go to Code Review. If you have any questions or concerns, join us at our CR Help Desk. — Quill 41 secs ago

Quill

My bounty on this question is ending soon btw anyone who wants to take a swing:

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Q: BigBrother - A chat room watcher

Originally, this script stemmed from a small script that watched stars and who made them, but a few days after launching, SE patched it so the people behind the stars aren't sent. Regardless, BigBrother, named after the character from 1984, had other functions, like monitoring obscene or unsight...

javascript jquery stackexchange chat websocket

Gustavo6046

1:33 PM

Does anybody here have a Dream.in.code account?

I do.

skiwi

Fix issue, get new bug :| Great

Gustavo6046

@Quill I believe there is not much depth to review in that very good code, that's why you are getting poor reviews.

@skiwi me too, I made a question in dreamincode because of a weird bug in MySimAnt (a compiler error)...

skiwi

A compiler error isn't a weird bug

Gustavo6046

An error that shouldn't exist at ALL.

I Googled but nothing compared to my error...

Hopefully the guys at Dream.in.code are going to help. If else, you guys already know (what to do) ;)

skiwi

Only one in a million times the compiler is actually at fault, otherwise it's just an error you made and the compiler is telling you that

Gustavo6046

1:38 PM

It's here in case you guys might want to help.

Mast

@Gustavo6046 Your code is not doing what you think it does. Your compiler is telling you this. The compiler isn't at fault.

@skiwi Less.

Quill

@Gustavo6046 it's not that great actually, it has heaps of redundancies

but thanks

Gustavo6046

Me trying to be respectful.

Dan Pantry

@Gustavo6046 Why not post on SO?

Gustavo6046

@DanPantry still banned from posting questions

Dan Pantry

1:41 PM

oh

Gustavo6046

I might want to contribute to that site later.

But I am very bad at answering questions on SE!

That's why I still didn't done it in CR.

skiwi

Then don't, grow up, and come back later

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Captain Obvious

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Q: ASP.NET MVC with automatic testing (follow up)

This is a follow-up of this question regarding MVC application architecture fit for automatic testing. I have rewritten DI code based on the answer provided there and also created some tests to see if I can properly benefit from the newly refactored code. I will repeat here the application stru...

c# design-patterns unit-testing dependency-injection repository

Dan Pantry

The compiler isn't at fault here, and @Gustavo6046 you've been told several times: this chat room is not a help desk. You've posted your code on another site and the only difference between the last time you got kicked and now is that the code you have posted has been put on DreamInCode instead of SO.

If you feel that you aren't ready to answer questions on SO you probably aren't ready to ask them here, either.

Gustavo6046

I am not asking for help!

Dan Pantry

1:46 PM

> Hopefully the guys at Dream.in.code are going to help. If else, you guys already know (what to do) ;)

>
It's here in case you guys might want to help.

Gustavo6046

I just wondered if someone might want to help, but not.

I always though this was a veery last resort. Maybe I find the help in DreamInCode instead...

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Gustavo6046 You seriously need to work on your question quality.

Gustavo6046

Anyway I just done another answer in SO. I hope it at least helps me compensate what happened two days earlier :/

Dan Pantry

you do not need to compensate for anything

nor is this the place to say that imo

skiwi

@Gustavo6046 There's not even a point in sharing at all if you are not looking for help, might as well not say anything then

Gustavo6046

1:48 PM

oh ok

Simon Forsberg McFeely

You continuously ask others for help, but let me be honest with you: The only one who can help you is yourself. You need to seriously learn new tools and change your behavior.

Gustavo6046

maybe in SO's chat room.... if only I knew which room is SO's...

nevermind

Simon Forsberg McFeely

No, don't go to SO's chat rooms.

This is how you ask a good question on SO:

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Q: Alt Gr key gives menu focus when I don't expect it to

Several keyboards have a Alt Gr key. On my Swedish keyboard layout, to enter the [ character I have to press Alt Gr + 8 (or Ctrl + Alt + 8). If I were to input this character twice in a JavaFX TextField, where the application also has a MenuBar, the menu bar keeps the focus instead of the text f...

javafx focus textfield menubar

Gustavo6046

I wish Code Review had a "interesting" tab like does SO in their homepage. This would ease me a lot when searching for good code for me to review! :)

Dan Pantry

@Gustavo6046 I would consider all reviews to be "interesting" :)

Unless they are downvoted

At which point they would not be on the front page.

I'm going to be honest with you, I don't think this site is going to offer what you want.

Hassan Althaf

1:50 PM

I just do so to get some attention to my question.

And I'm pretty sure it is at it's best.

Gustavo6046

I mean, to have questions related to my experience...

So it is easier to find a good question to review, one that I am experient with and that has one of my tags at least...

Dan Pantry

There's no way we could make one that is "relevant to your experience"

That wouldn't be an "interesting" tab. That would be a "recommended for you tab".

If that's a feature you want to suggest, suggest it on the meta.SE - not here

Gustavo6046

Ok thanks :)

Phrancis

Monking!

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Gustavo6046 It seems like you want to take a look at the tags c++ and html

You can mark some tags as favorite already.

Gustavo6046

1:53 PM

All the code I find that may be interesting is really large...

Dan Pantry

Then you need to learn.

Because you aren't going to get spoon fed.

Gustavo6046

I might try harder and find the perfect reviewable code :3

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Gustavo6046 Then you need to get experience with large pieces of code. I suggest you read an excellent blog post: How do you eat an elephant?

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skiwi

You also need to have a certain level of experience before you can start reviewing

Dan Pantry

@SimonForsbergMcFeely Written by one of our very own, by the way. It is truly one of the best articles I've read.

skiwi

1:55 PM

@Gustavo6046 That's not how any of this works, at least not if you don't have experience

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf Did you even read my guide for posting a good question ? It contains at least one thing I can think of from the top of my head on how to improve your question.

Gustavo6046

Sometimes I feel like a bunch of people is following each comment, each question and answer I do and editing them...

For example Simon edited in a impressive speed my latest answer.

Dan Pantry

@Gustavo6046 That's something that happens to everyone. It is not just limited to you. Jamal does it so often it's a meme..

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Gustavo6046 It just had to be improved. Tried to show you how to write (slightly) better SO posts.

Gustavo6046

Ok, maybe I should start being less personal when writing posts anywhere in SE...

Simon Forsberg McFeely

2:00 PM

> Since it is a long time since I didn't code in Python I might be wrong... :/

I am also doing this not only to help you, but to compensate what I done earlier...

Dan Pantry

@Gustavo6046 that would be a good start.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

^^ never write what I quoted above in an SO post

Dan Pantry

A lot of your posts (and chat messages) seem to invoke melodrama.

Your past actions on this site, really, do not mean anything to 99% of people

They only matter to you and the moderators

No one neds to know about what you did earlier.

It's just noise.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Gustavo6046 Stack Exchange is question and answer sites, not a forum. Posts on the main sites should only contain what is truly relevant.

Hassan Althaf

I want to ask a new question, but that would involve just a single file to be reviewed in the entire project.

Is it fine to include a git repo to the project, and only include the source code of the file that needs to be reviewed on the post?

Dan Pantry

2:03 PM

@HassanAlthaf you can include a link to the git repo, but you shouldn't expect users to actually view it. Your question should be entirely self contained.

Hassan Althaf

@DanPantry Nah, I don't. The problem is that it requires various other classes.

It's this file:

github.com/HassanAlthaf/TeleMart/blob/master/TeleMart/src/com/…

As you see, it is a mess.

I want to know some good techniques to write cleaner and organised codes for such files.

skiwi

As a note: JavaFX is barely ever fun to review, don't expect too much of it

Quill

That should be alright, but just be ready to add more code in if we need it

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf If I understand you correctly, that sounds okay yes.

Figured out how to improve your existing question yet, @HassanAlthaf?

9 mins ago, by Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf Did you even read my guide for posting a good question ? It contains at least one thing I can think of from the top of my head on how to improve your question.

Hassan Althaf

Yeah, sure, that is not a issue. @Quill

@SimonForsbergMcFeely I decided that it is not important for now, as I don't have time to alter that file before I submit my project to campus.

I'll just wait a bit more, if it doesn't work, I'll try to reword it entirely

Simon Forsberg McFeely

2:06 PM

@HassanAlthaf Then my down-vote on your question will remain.

Hassan Althaf

Yeah sure, I'm totally fine with that.

It's upto you.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

> Screenshots

If your code has some sort of GUI, add one or more screenshots of how it looks.

^^ that's how you can improve it.

Hassan Althaf

I know, but at that time, it was nothing but a blank screen.

with a menu

Gustavo6046

Anything I do in SO only worses the situation! No, I think SO was not for me.

CR can still be a good friend however :)

Hassan Althaf

@Gustavo6046 That was me all these years.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

2:08 PM

@Gustavo6046 Take a break from SO for at least a couple of months and you might find it better later on.

Hassan Althaf

@Gustavo6046 Only look for questions with technologies that you are good with. I really like array based algorithms, in PHP.

@Gustavo6046 Another trick in SO is to give an improved answer to existing ones. That works the best. You just provide a better version of an existing solution.

Quill

@SimonForsbergMcFeely Can I ask for context on this please?

Simon Forsberg McFeely

53 mins ago, by Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf Hey Hassan, stopping saying that once every few days would be highly appreciated as well.

Quill

I meant the question you were talking about downvoting

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Quill It is the question that Hassan linked earlier.

1 hour ago, by Hassan Althaf

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Q: JavaFX Multi-Page Application Mechanism

I am currently working on a project in Java, and I use JavaFX for the GUI of the System. Currently, I am in the designing phase of the system, where I am designing the look of the system as well as setting up the basic functionality like navigation. I would highly appreciate it if someone can rev...

java javafx

Hassan Althaf

2:13 PM

@SimonForsbergMcFeely How about deleting that question, and since the file I need reviewing is the same as that question, to include in the new question?

Quill

@HassanAlthaf @Gustavo6046 Some of the users here are have a problem with your style. Here on The 2nd Monitor, we have a rule about not interrupting conversations with questions and whatnot, however something along the lines of Can I have a minute, when you guys are done, to discuss a question in the making? is fine.

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@HassanAlthaf I don't see how deleting the question will do any good. You still want a review on it, don't you?

Hassan Althaf

@Quill Oh, I am sorry about that. I wasn't aware.

Quill

We understand that you guys wanna chat about things and stuff and whatnot, that's what we have The Nth Monitor for, please use it if you want to chat okay?

Hassan Althaf

@SimonForsbergMcFeely Yes, I do. I think you're right. I'll improve it.

Mast

2:16 PM

@HassanAlthaf Simon is often right. That's one of the reasons we made him moderator.

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Phrancis

^^

Gustavo6046

I would appreciate an private conversation with @HassanAlthaf and @Quill.

Quill

If you're looking for a conversation, this is the place:

The Nth Monitor

Conversations that don't quite fit in The 2nd Monitor

Mast

@Gustavo6046 There are no private conversations on Stack Exchange.

Phrancis

^^

Simon Forsberg McFeely

2:17 PM

@Mast And the fact that he pins some messages every now and then ;)

(feel free to unpin it whenever you want)

Quill

We don't want to have to make any rash decisions or downvote you guys' stuff, so please honestly listen to what we have to say, we've been here for years, we ought to know the site :-)

skiwi

@Mast It takes me awfully long to realize that at times :P

Mast

@Quill You've been here for one year Quill ^^

Quill

and like four days

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@skiwi That I'm right or that you folks made me a moderator?

Quill

2:18 PM

369 > 365

Mast

@Quill Doesn't make it multiple years ^^

skiwi

@SimonForsbergMcFeely The former LOL

Quill

thanks for the pedantry

skiwi

I'm not that oblivious

Mast

here-be-pedants

Gustavo6046

2:20 PM

Just a sec.

Hassan Althaf

Hey guys, sorry for interrupting again. I just made this question. Is this question okay? Also, feel free to answer.

Mast

@HassanAlthaf We have been feeling free to answer for quite a while now.

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Quill

@HassanAlthaf @Gustavo6046 if you want to chat, I and some other people are usually available on The Nth Monitor, but please avoid sending lots of messages in here if they're not related to the overall discussion that is going on

Mast

I should draw more mugs.

Hassan Althaf

@Mast I'm aware. I was just saying that for fun. :P

Captain Obvious

2:21 PM

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Q: Maintaining neat JavaFX Controller files

I am developing an ERP system, called 'TeleMart' as a practice at Campus. I have noticed that one of my JavaFX Controller's have become quite complex and large, and most importantly, quite confusing. I have to write really large variable names for page elements, etc. Although I have a quite large...

java javafx

Zak

@Mast I think it makes it *a* multiple of years :P

Gustavo6046

@HassanAlthaf in the Nth please :)

Zak

we-be-to-pedants-what-pedants-are-to-normal-people

or WBTPWPATNP for short

Mast

@Zak That definitely clears it up.

skiwi

@Zak AIWDNNMA (as if we didn't need more acronyms)

Zak

2:26 PM

@skiwi You've got one too many "N"s

skiwi

@Zak didn't -> did not

Not sure what the official inofficial acronym rules are though ;)

Mast

@skiwi I'm pretty sure you usually take the full words, so you're fine.

This sounds very off-topic, has 3 CV. Either put 2 more on it or could anyone tell me it's allright?

Zak

@Mast "A simplified version of the code looks like:" I would say hypothetical/example code

Phrancis

I feel hesitant to close it, personally

@Quill Is this hypothetical code? It looks like complete code, with some brief analysis including a couple of small hypothetical changes in order to explain it. But the code (everything before to "The main problem") looks like real code that can be reviewed. — Ben Aaronson 4 hours ago

Mast

@Phrancis There is more.

Zak

2:33 PM

I would also go with "Unclear"

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Mast What is and what is not hypothetical code is a gray line on this site. From a moderator point of view, it's impossible to hammer this question either way. — Simon Forsberg McFeely ♦ 23 secs ago

I think the "hypothetical" part might be some example, not the underlying builder pattern itself.

Mast

@Zak Yup.

undergroundmonorail

Can someone please confirm that the edit I just made is okay? I know that you generally aren't supposed to update code in the question but I've been told that it's allowed so long as you haven't had any answers yet.

Mast

@undergroundmonorail As long as there aren't answers yet, there is no problem.

undergroundmonorail

@Mast Thanks <3

Mast

2:47 PM

Changing code isn't a problem, invalidating answers is. Which is often done by changing code after getting them.

Quill

@undergroundmonorail that's good because IIRC it didn't even work for me before, so hopefully this update fixes that

Zak

@undergroundmonorail I'd also give it an hour and then remove the edit notice.

Mast

@undergroundmonorail The update at the bottom is needless though, you may want to throw that away.

@Zak No, do it now.

undergroundmonorail

Okay, I can do that for sure.

Mast

Or it will be removed by one of the regulars.

Quill

2:48 PM

@undergroundmonorail@ testing the script now

nope :-)

Zak

I like to account for the possibility that somebody might have been in the middle of writing/preparing an aswer.

Quill

I actually was half way through one

Mast

@Zak That will not be fixed by postponing an hour.

Quill

I have the md file on my desktop

undergroundmonorail

@Quill That's really odd. It definitely works for me (chromium, tampermonkey)

Quill

2:50 PM

Can someone else verify that this script works

Zak

I didn't say postpone it, just leave the edit notice there briefly.

Quill

There's only a few people who really do UserScript reviews, and knowing them, they'll be fine

it's extraneous -> get rid of it

codereview.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/50467

@Mast ^ why the reject?

Mast

@Quill Read the reject reason.

Quill

I read the reject reason; he's adding information to the post, how does that conflict with the intent?

It's not a code edit

Mast

He's adding information the author didn't intend there to be.

If somebody would pull such a stunt on my answer, I'd rollback.

So, that's why.

Quill

2:57 PM

how was it intended not to be there?

If I'm missing something crucial to the topic, feel free to say so, but I don't think I am

Also, quick question: Is this the backpropogation you're talking about? I.e. are you making a "multilayer perceptron"? — QPaysTaxes Jun 7 '15 at 20:16

Yes, it is a MLP — jonbon Jun 7 '15 at 20:17

> Also the backpropagation is based on multilayer perceptrons.

The edit is simply clarifying information the author had to provide to other reviewers in the comments because he left it out

Mast

For the record, my lack of response means I'm unwilling to continue the argument.

Quill

No worries

Mat's Mug

3:17 PM

Monking

Hosch250

Hi.

Come on, guys, vote this up: meta.codereview.stackexchange.com/a/6458/34073

Captain Obvious

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Q: PowerShell Code Efficiency

I have recently started learning PowerShell, and have found it to be a lot of fun! My question is about code efficiency. I recently had to write a script which had the following criteria: It had to pull all enabled user objects from active directory It had to pull specific properties about ea...

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Hosch250

I don't like the top one because the code is supposed to be right already.

Mat's Mug

I like it, I think I wouldn't mind any of the top 5

Zak

@Mat'sMug I'm with you on that one.

Phrancis

3:21 PM

class Code { internal void improve() { while (improveMore()); } bool improveMore() { ...etc... } } — ChrisW 18 hours ago

Mat's Mug

I hope if the author of the winning entry doesn't have the rep to qualify for top user swag they get a t-shirt anyway

A lot can happen in 6 days

Hosch250

We could always just "leak" the form link.

Then everyone can get swag.

Zak

Somehow, I think they'd notice ^^

Phrancis

What Zak said

Mat's Mug

^^

Hosch250

3:26 PM

I suppose no one would get swag then.

Mat's Mug

Also, this isn't the only shot we'll ever get at getting CR swag - it's the first - there will be contests and events in the future, I'm sure

Quill

There's a link given to moderators that's a form to request swag for events

@CaptainObvious SO comment from earlier

@Quill I have it somewhere if you want to see it

Duga

If the code is working and you want to optimize/refactor it, you should ask question on Code Review instead of main SO site. These type of questions are off-topic on SO. — Tushar 49 secs ago

Mat's Mug

@Duga Code Review is also a main site you dummy

SO people....

Zak

@Mat'sMug To be fair to them, calling SO the "main" site and every over site not, is a justifiable position.

The last time I checked, SO had 2-3x more traffic than every other site put together.

Duga

3:36 PM

This would get closed as hypothetical code on Code Review, unless the /...code... parts were replaced with the actual, real working code. CR has their rules, too. — Mat's Mug 34 secs ago

Mat's Mug

@Zak that doesn't make SO a parent site for any of its sister sites...

Quill

SE -> network of sites

SO is one of the tri-big sites

Mat's Mug

At least they didn't call us a page or a section

Zak

Or, god forbid, a forum

:p

Mat's Mug

I'm starting to wonder if @SimonForsbergMcFeely is going to revert his name back to SimonForsberg

Hey @Zak did you see the latest vba sql-server question? I put Rubberduck 2.0 inspections to good use there, and IMO there's still a bunch of things left to say

Gustavo6046

3:57 PM

@Quill And which are the other tri-big sites?

Quill

@Gustavo6046 the ones with domains -> superuser.com, stackoverflow.com, serverfault.com

askubuntu is an exception

Phrancis

Close votes can be removed now

Simon Forsberg McFeely

@Mat'sMug How about.... now?

Hassan Althaf

Wait isn't Mat'sMug a bot:?

Phrancis

@Mat'sMug Semantics ;)

@HassanAlthaf Um, no?

Quill

4:06 PM

@HassanAlthaf He's a mod

Mat's Mug

...

Quill

Duga and SantaBot are bots

Hassan Althaf

I swear on another chat room, there's a bot with that name.

Maybe the person who made that room is a fan of @Mat'sMug

Quill

@HassanAlthaf wat'

Mat's Mug

LOL! ...I don't know if I should be flattered or creeped out

Hassan Althaf

4:08 PM

You should be happy.

You have recognition.

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis saw that ;-)

Phrancis

I know ;)

I really thought about you when I saw all those VB6/VB5 books there that were just going to be thrown out :)

Quill

← 2 messages moved from Help Desk proposal

Phrancis

4:26 PM

When above song came out, it was not "Hey this is a great hit!" for us, it was more "Here we go again..."

2

@Mat'sMug @SimonForsbergMcFeely Can this one be deleted please?

Mat's Mug

@Phrancis poof

Phrancis

Merci

Simon Forsberg McFeely

> deleted by Simon Forsberg♦ 39 secs ago

I was first, ha!

Mat's Mug

Wut

lol

Simon Forsberg McFeely

FMITW

Phrancis

4:37 PM

Fast Mod Intervention That Worked?

Hosch250

Fastest Mod In The West.

Close enough

:p

Monking (again?)

Always

4:44 PM

And what was your mom's music all about then?

Also let's move this to "Did you say audio?" room?

Mat's Mug

Eh, sorry I revived that conversation.. Nth please?

Phrancis

On it

Quill

It's fine, it's dead here anyway

Phrancis

→ 21 messages moved to The Nth Monitor

Quill

meh

Mat's Mug

4:45 PM

s/dead/Saturday morning

Phrancis

^^

Gustavo6046

s/Saturday/Caturday

;)

Simon Forsberg

@Mat'sMug s/morning/afternoon/

Quill

Did someone say caturday

Mat's Mug

lol

Gustavo6046

4:46 PM

YEA BRO

do you wanna party with us in the Nth?

Quill

Gustavo6046

There must be a bot that, for instance, when someone say "this smells good" and the other say "s/smells/tastes/" the bot says "this tastes good".

It finds the last message with the word to be replaced.

Simon Forsberg

@Quill @Gustavo6046 This is not the Nth.

Gustavo6046

Simon, should you "move it move it" to the nth?

Mat's Mug

remember that anyone could come in here anytime with site business, we don't want this room to look like it's not what they're looking for

4:50 PM

s/it's not what they're looking for/PPCG/

Quill

and it's past deletion.... awesome

Gustavo6046

see? someone just came with srs bsns

(though probably not site''s)

Phrancis

@Mast here-be-pedants

Mat's Mug

@Mast es-kju-el or death

seek-well is the IBM AS/400 crap I have to put up with

Phrancis

4:53 PM

si-kwel

Quill

C quell

Mast

pronounciation-review

Phrancis

"... and you'll probably hear both the rest of your life"

Gustavo6046

@Mat'sMug At da time IBM AS/400 were da technology si-kwel

Mast

I should really finish my election counter and put it up for review.

Mat's Mug

4:56 PM

lol "1st version, early 70s" -- still in use

Gustavo6046

pronouncing-is-good-but-take-site-business-first

abbreviated PIGBTSBF

Mast

@Gustavo6046 Pronounced pig beat es bee ef

We don't have enough community ads.

Gustavo6046

@Mast your pronunciation is best.

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