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8:28 AM
Brazil blocked WhatsApp for 48 hours.
@PauloCereda :-|
@JosephWright We are a strange country, aren't we? :)
@PauloCereda Indeed: what's the reason?
@JosephWright I haven't checked the details. Hold on.
Discussions on the code license change are 'interesting': there are some poorly-informed people about (and ones who thing SO should be pushing some agenda)
8:36 AM
@Joseph: it seems there's a crime investigation going on and the SP justice blocked the app for 48 hours.
@PauloCereda Brazilian teenagers must be going mad!
@JosephWright Indeed. :) And a lot of "grown ups" too. :)
I have an account, but couldn't care less about it. :)
Most of my colleagues, on the other hand...
ooh I have lots of Star Wars spoilers!
@PauloCereda Indeed, something to avoid until I get round to seeing it
@JosephWright I was going to post one right now! I'll keep myself quiet for a while then. :)
___ is father of ___
^^ There's one of these in there!
Also, The very same ___, which is father of ___, dies! :)
Alright, I will shut up now!
9:31 AM
@JosephWright do we know anyone who's good at understanding TeX expansion who could answer this?:
Q: Incompatibility between savetrees and amsart?

Bruno Le FlochI wish to print some notes that use the documentclass amsart in a more compact form. I was hoping to simply use the savetrees package (maybe there is a more recent replacement?) but that seems to choke on equations: \documentclass{amsart} \usepackage{savetrees} \begin{document} \begin{equation}...

@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle 'WFM' here if I put something into the equation
@DavidCarlisle In related news
though not what it seems
@daleif I was confused I have to say
@DavidCarlisle I see minimal strikes again. Could we do something about this? (For example, could we not just make it a copy of article)
@JosephWright I didn't actually try:-)
@JosephWright but but that's the only class I ever wrote and you want to kill it?
@DavidCarlisle :-)
9:43 AM
@daleif @PauloCereda will be jealous. Yet another feature that emacs has that vim hasn't. Let's see vim with a running track.
@DavidCarlisle vim-adventures.com
@David, @daleif: Also vim-avia.com/en
@DavidCarlisle hehe, though if I got the time I'll probably go and have a look.
I suspect you can only open the plane doors with :q :)
@PauloCereda M-x drone-mode ?
@daleif boo :)
9:46 AM
@PauloCereda but the doors won't open unless you prefix that with esc esc ; !! or whatever the secret mode switching combination is, I forget.
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle :)
@JosephWright oh I see the minimal question now, answer or close as dup?
@JosephWright I don't think it should be same as article, it was originally written to answer a user question about what had to be in a class. It's probably a bit too minimal (It really just aimed to avoid making any errors not do anything) But it could perhaps have a big \PackageWarning{} saying it is for debugging only and does not set up many things expected by other packages.
@DavidCarlisle That was my other thought, yes
@DavidCarlisle Good question: it's obvious to me its a dupe, but probably entirely non-obvious to the OP
If people want a 'free hat' I see that the one for searching is trivially-easy to obtain
10:04 AM
@jfbu Unfortunately today's train was on schedule, so I hadn't the usual additional time for polishing my answer. — egreg 16 mins ago
@egreg :)
@PauloCereda One cannot trust the railway company. ;-)
10:42 AM
@Werner I see you are the 'hat expert'
@JosephWright Are you joining in the fun this year?
@Werner No, just observing
@Werner Several of the hats are clearly very easy to game ...
@JosephWright Yes.
@Werner I'm worrying more about the number of unanswered questions: we need a serious think about how to keep on top of the low-upvote ones whilst allowing time for answers and space for good unanswered questions
10:45 AM
There are some secret ones not on the regular list.
@JosephWright Hmmm... that is a good point.
I wonder what the nature of the unanswered questions are... the predominant tags, I mean.
I guess I can write a query.
@Werner I'm going through on vote order: I'm down to the +7 level, and there are a few I've managed to post something for plus one or two I might like closed but which are not 'mod action'. But there are a lot of low-upvote cases where I do wonder what the outcome will be.
...which reminds me... I have been accumulating some site statistics, which I need to post.
On the other hand, there are very few with negative scores
@Werner Sounds good
@JosephWright For this...
Q: Community statistics

WernerWhat characteristic behaviour does our community exhibit? Is it possible to capture this through some statistic or visually through graphs? Certainly! There is a host of information available through the SEDE. This post is meant to collate some of the discussions contained within How can we expl...

@JosephWright That's interesting...
@Werner Take a look :-)
10:49 AM
...my investment in the site has also changed over the years...
...it sways from this to that... lately it's about getting the first-posters more acquainted with our site.
...lots of @lockstep-like retagging edits...
@Werner Sounds good
11:05 AM
Q: Difference between morewrites and scrwfile

Matthias PospiechI have tested morewrites and scrwfile in my template which uses so many writes that without loading any of those packages I would run into the no room for new \write problem. I find that with scrwfile I can use more packages that use an output. In my case these are TikZ and pgf (without extern...

Too broad?
11:21 AM
@JosephWright not even the timey whimey? :)
@PauloCereda Funny thing is I can see what I'd get if I opted in (winterbash2015.stackexchange.com lists hat you have in potentia). I'd be ineligible for several.
12:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle No more news on the .ini files so I assume my suggestions look OK. I guess we need to finalise LuaTeX v0.85 support plans soon.
@JosephWright yes where despite some suggestions to the contrary I think "soon" needs to be nearer "now" than "easter".... In particular can we get away with not patching the kernel and saying everyone has to put \RequirePackage{luatex85}% or something at the top of their document until packages update.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, agreed
@DavidCarlisle We do need the kernel update for the one change in the Lua support file (the token library business)
@JosephWright yes any things that we think are permanent but unless we decide the pdfxxx names should be permanently aliased I'd rather keep those in a package, but...
@DavidCarlisle Sure: the only kernel change currently is to allow local token = newtoken or token
@JosephWright I'd release the current kernel (once I have done the utf8 fixes) and your ini files for 2016/01/01 so luatex testing can happen, even if we do another latex update before tl2016
12:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sounds fine to me: have to see if FMi agrees
@DavidCarlisle More likely is I think a release of graphics
We should get Hans to write Latex News 24
@JosephWright I looked at that but it depends on ... It works well enough if you do the above mentioned RequirePackage{luatex85} first and unless hyperref and others also update in practice it's going to be simpler to tell people just to do that all the time at least for 2016/01/01 hopefully get things updated before tl2016
Or we could put a hpdftex.def in the tex/lualatex tree that worked for luatex, so the normal one doesn't get used, but multiple files of same name and relying on path order seems rather fragile
@DavidCarlisle Certainly, but I think we should aim to address it 'properly'
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
@JosephWright yes but do we wait for a latex release until that's done (which means not the start of january, most likely)
@DavidCarlisle I meant 'longer term': for the present yes \RequirePackage{luatex85} is the best idea
@JosephWright OK and I think rather than push the ifpdf.dtx that is in the github I'd leave that to Heiko and go back in luatex85.sty of defining \ver@ifpdf.sty and setting \ifpdf directly. Now that it includes all the aliases, it seems I only need to block that one rather than several as I originally had it. Then that keeps all the weird temporary stuff in one place
@JosephWright you were saying about cleaning up that character class emulation for luatex....
Q: error polyglossia for sanskrit and hindi with lualatex but not with xelatex

KoalaI have texlive on windows with installed, all packages relating to sanskrit and hindi. there is no error with xelatex. when I compile, with lualatex, the simple document, I obtain an error in gloss-sanskrit.ldf Undefined control sequence. \newXeTeXintercharclass Undefined control sequence. \new...

12:40 PM
@egreg: ooh a Darth Egreg hat. :)
It doesn't look like Thor at all, it is more like one of those fat ladies singing operas. :)
@PauloCereda A comment from the attendance at an opera theater, reported by my grandfather: the tenor had to carry the fainting soprano outside the scene; “Do it in two travels!” cried a spectator from the “loggione”.
1:05 PM
@DavidCarlisle There's my Unicode adventures to continue ;-)
1:17 PM
@PauloCereda Someone actually asked about the legality of this on law: law.stackexchange.com/questions/5873/…
@BMWurm oh thanks for the link!
@PauloCereda You're welcome, although sadlly noone has answered yet...
@PauloCereda Is this hat better?
@egreg ooh nordic version. :)
@PauloCereda It's a secret hat too!
@PauloCereda Usage of Thor's hammer, apparently.
1:32 PM
@egreg :)
@PauloCereda I'm wondering how Jabba, er, Mico can see.
@egreg Telephatic powers. :)
@PauloCereda Or “elephantic”.
@egreg :)
1:52 PM
Good Beethoven's birthday!
@egreg Yay!
Ducks are friends of bees. Including Bee Thoven. :)
@PauloCereda Calling BeoWulf ;-)
.texlive2015/texmf-var/texdoc/cache-tlpdb.lua:21059: unexpected symbol near <eof>
2:19 PM
Ah, Finally Lord Vader Helmet/hat ;-)
lol, an afro
2:37 PM
@daleif :)
@JosephWright: do you think we should query TeX.sx about this licensing thingy?
@PauloCereda I'll raise it on meta once I know it's definitely going ahead: I'm going to strongly urge people to multi-license (I do anyway but it's a useful reminder)
@PauloCereda As noted in the question and comments, the current license is actually more like the GPL
3:03 PM
@JosephWright It is a good plan.
@JosephWright I actually don't like GPL for a couple of reasons (but I do have some code licensed under it). Personally, I'd prefer people to explicitly tell how they want their code to be used instead of a global setting. Besides, I think there's a thin line in talking about originality of a code...
@PauloCereda I've no issue with GPL (v2)
@PauloCereda I can see what they are trying to do but there is an issue with 'what is code' and also 'lets give 2 week's notice'
@JosephWright I don't like it too much. :)
@JosephWright indeed.
@PauloCereda We could talk about licenses a lot: I'm happy that the LPPL makes sense for (La)TeX work
@JosephWright Yep. :)
In other news, did people see about Jose Mourinho? I suggest he goes for the England No. 3 (cricket) position :-)
3:16 PM
@JosephWright although 1.3 is depressingly complicated compared to the original version
@JosephWright ooh what happened?
@DavidCarlisle I'll take your word for it
@DavidCarlisle I can see why people like the MIT license: 'tis nice and short
@PauloCereda Erm, he go sacked
So he has time to work on his cover drives
@JosephWright oooh
@JosephWright Also BSD and Apache. :)
@PauloCereda Yes, them too
@DavidCarlisle Look, do what you want but make sure you rename any derivatives?
@JosephWright read it now. Goodbye from Chelsea! :) Also, it's quite surprising to see you talking about football! :)
3:19 PM
@JosephWright Debian really didn't like that second part
@DavidCarlisle Look, do what you want but make sure you clearly mark any derivatives with your initials
@ChristianHupfer, @Johannes: ^^ Wir sind Piraten!
LOL Limewire
@PauloCereda No, I switched to the Dark Side :-P
@ChristianHupfer boo :)
3:20 PM
@PauloCereda It's been quite big news that they've done badly, so I've kept an eye on it. I'm surprised they've sacked him, but what do I know
@PauloCereda Give in to your anger :-P
@JosephWright Felipão had the same fate. :)
@ChristianHupfer Das böse Ente! :)
@PauloCereda Much better! ;-)
@DavidCarlisle Could still be a lot shorter (take my tongue-in-check version and make it into proper sentences)
@JosephWright that would have been acceptable to them but we wanted to (try to) keep the discouragement of just editing article.cls in place
3:22 PM
@PauloCereda Apparently WhatsApp is back in Brazil
@JosephWright Let me check. :)
@PauloCereda 'Breaking news' so might not be live yet ...
@JosephWright It's back. :)
@DavidCarlisle Sure, understand: Look, do what you want but (preferably) rename files you edit or (at least) clearly mark any derivatives with your initials
Do you use WhatsApp?
3:24 PM
@PauloCereda Don't you need a 'smart' phone for that?
@JosephWright Android, Apple, or BlackBerry, I guess.
@PauloCereda So that's a 'yes': I have a Nokia C2
@JosephWright echo "Sure, understand: Look, do what you want but (preferably) rename files you edit or (at least) clearly mark any derivatives with your initials" > lppl-1.4.txt
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@JosephWright have you seen the whatwg licence as used on HTML(5) spec?
3:26 PM
@JosephWright ooh cool. :) I have a Xperia Z2. :)
            You are granted a license to use, reproduce and create derivative
            works of this document.
@JosephWright ^^ the full text.
@JosephWright that's for the documentation in the wiki, but the above is what's on the spec itself
@DavidCarlisle Ah
@DavidCarlisle Sounds good to me
3:29 PM
@JosephWright I dual licence the html entity definitions with that (along with the W3C software licence) so that mozilla didn't have to add yet another licence in their "about" dialog.
@DavidCarlisle You are a line saver. :)
@PauloCereda many lines (that dialog has the full text of every licence used for any part of the firefox code base, it's a very dull read)
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle I do wonder why some licenses say that not 'you must state the license and where it can be found'
1 hour later…
4:53 PM
I want to have a quote that's different from the rest of the text sort of on it's own... any pointers where to go for something like that? cheers
like with a different font and stuff i guess.
@PauloCereda I couldn't finish the song. It was cruel.
@baxx LaTeX provides environments for quote and quotation, the is a package with the same purpose. I sense you are looking for something like epigraph?
@Johannes_B thanks for the pointers - just changing the font might do it for me, I'll look at those suggestions now though thanks
@baxx \rotatebox{12}{\Huge\colorbox{yellow}{\color{red}Subtle quote here}} ?
ha ha, is shocking pink a default colour @DavidCarlisle ?
@Johannes_B we are pirates!
5:03 PM
@PauloCereda I am a penguin.
@Johannes_B ooh a pirate penguin!
I so want to refer to the front cover of the hitchhikers guide...
Q: Need urgently assistance in LaTeX - unable to change the document class without totally blowing my thesis

J.DoeFirst of all I'm a beginner in LaTeX, of course I used it for writing short articles but never for a thesis... For This reason (now I think it was stupid) I looked for a sample of a thesis and I was working with that thesis for several weeks; Now I discovered that with a bachelor thesis of 30 pa...

Q: Is there anything specific required for a dog first aid kit?

AravonaYou can go into almost any pet store in the UK, especially the big chains, and see first aid kits for your dog. Is there anything specifically required for a dog first aid kit, or will a human first aid kit cover what is needed for a dog as well?

A dog?
@JosephWright I bet its name is Eric. :)
@DavidCarlisle Ask the OP to try :help! in vim. :) ^^
Don't panic! in Portuguese. :)
do all fonts from the latex font catalogue have the three letter versions that can be put into something like {\fontfamily{ppl}\selectfont ?
5:12 PM
@PauloCereda referencing the hitchhiker's guide is already cruel, suggesting anyone get stuck in vim is probably classed as torture
@DavidCarlisle The OP already gave up on hope when s/he decided to try TeX and friends. :)
@baxx ones that were available at a time when it was important to keep the total filename down to 8 letters for MSDOS and ISO format CDs, yes.
@baxx latex itself doesn't assume the family name is three letters.
@DavidCarlisle but if i wanted to use http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/accanthis/ , I can't just put {\fontfamily{accanthis}\selectfont
in , so is there a three letter thing for that?
@baxx why not \usepackage{accanthis} or if you don't want to do that just look in that package and see which font it loads
I only wanted it for a paragraph
also that gives me ! LaTeX Error: File `accanthis.sty' not found.
5:16 PM
@baxx a quick look in the package shows:
@baxx so it is not using a three letter name, but AccanthisADFStdNoThree-LF
@baxx well do tlmgr update --all :-)
I don't think I have it installed though
that update failed :/
@baxx then something is wrong (and looking in a font catalogue won't help)
$ tlmgr update --all
(running on Debian, switching to user mode!)
cannot setup TLPDB in /home/vco/texmf at /usr/bin/tlmgr line 5336.
yeah I've probably messed loads of things up tbh, nevermind. Thanks tho :)
@baxx if you are using debian rather than vanilla texlive don't you need to udate via apt-get ?
5:39 PM
Sometimes learning to prepare documents using AucTeX [LaTeX generally] with all the attendant benefits may be a bit challenging for people who do not know programming.
@GideonEbelebe Certainly
@DavidCarlisle yeah but I'm up to date with that... no idea what the problem is there's probably a fair list of candidates
@JosephWright, How can one overcome this challenge? For me I wish I can become Joseph Wright behind my laptop.
I suggest using Maya numerals above the variable.
Q: How can I add more than 4 dots to a derivative?

Kshitij SaraogiI have 2 questions : What is the maximum limit of dots that I can display above a variable to indicate its derivative ? (I read it somewhere that 4 is the limit. Still not sure) How do I print more dots than these in a general form?

@baxx If apt-get tells you everything is up to date, that does not mean you have a up-to-date TeX Live. Some distros use TL from years ago.
5:52 PM
I like this forum, I believe this is a starting place to become a pro
@Johannes_B yeah definitely - I'm sure that I'm behind things I had to compile emacs because the repo was behind so it's not surprising
I have Emacs-AucTeX and TeXLive 2015 installed on my laptop is that all I need to install to get started in writing a thesis?
@GideonEbelebe Sounds fine to me, though I'd have JabRef too (optional)
@AlanMunn Yay!
6:08 PM
@JosephWright, I am downloading it now, is there any special installation steps?
@GideonEbelebe Not on Win or Mac, not so sure about Linux (it needs Java)
I am using windows 10
@GideonEbelebe Ah, that wasn't obvious
@GideonEbelebe In that case the JabRef installer will look for Java and download as required
Under a question in TeX 'A simpleton's guide to (…)TeX workflow with emacs' I learnt that there are some other installations one need to do into emacs such as biblatex, reftex, 'AUCTeX can handle \input and standalone' etc how can one do that?
You mean
Q: A simpleton's guide to (...)TeX workflow with emacs

Brent.LongboroughProgress Report Four months on, I thought it a good idea to "report back" here, and I wrote something. Then, I had better thoughts and turned it into a blog post. You can read it on the TeX.sx blog. Prompted by a recent conversation in the chat room, I am thinking of revisiting emacs as my s...

I guess?
6:23 PM
@GideonEbelebe My understanding is you should be able to get on quite well with AUCTeX 'as is', but you need an Emacs expert, and that's not me
Where's @DavidCarlisle when you need him?
@JosephWright trapped inside vim.
@PauloCereda :-)
@PauloCereda All I can say to that is pico, really
@JosephWright :)
Do you say there is someone better than my mentor? Certainly this is a great house.
6:35 PM
5 hours ago, by egreg
Good Beethoven's birthday!
@AlanMunn Do you celebrate on Jan. 31? ;-)
@DavidCarlisle, where are you?, your attention is here needed, my mentor [Joseph Wright] want you to assist me.
@GideonEbelebe Of course, there is the minor issue that @DavidCarlisle doesn't really write any actual LaTeX documents
I have to go now it's getting late here in Nigeria...
@GideonEbelebe Have a lot of fun
6:52 PM
@JosephWright Seems to be one for the next session. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/282890/…
7:16 PM
@JosephWright That used to be what SuSE said when you logged in, many years ago. No idea if it still does...
7:39 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, it does still say this ;-)
@ChristianHupfer Ah, interesting. It's good to know that SuSE holds on to the old traditions. :-)
@ChristianHupfer Germans. :)
@PauloCereda Don't mention the war:-P
@ChristianHupfer You naughty moose!
ooh David has arrived!
@FaheemMitha I think, the greeting message can be configured somewhere in /etc/ -- can't remember where it was
7:42 PM
@ChristianHupfer motd -> message of the day
@PauloCereda motd: Don't use vim :-P
@ChristianHupfer Sure. But most people don't change the default.
I think once upon a time Debian used to say Happy Hacking. But it doesn't any more.
@ChristianHupfer Don't mention the war. :)
@PauloCereda @FaheemMitha: I once extended the number of virtual consoles to 9 and changed the message of the terminal to **This is Virtual Console #1 of Nine` ... it was fun with Seven of Nine ;-)
@ChristianHupfer Ah physicists. <3
7:45 PM
@ChristianHupfer Fun.
@PauloCereda Why Physicist?
Maybe because physicists like Star Trek?
@ChristianHupfer Like ducks, they like numbers and star [trek]. :)
@PauloCereda And Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars, and Big Bang Theory (The series and the Real one ;-)), and Red Hot Chili Peppers and LaTeX ;-)
@ChristianHupfer The more I see the less I know, the more I like to let it go...
7:51 PM
@PauloCereda Spot the looney... Ah, he wears a black whig :-P
@ChristianHupfer Meow.
@PauloCereda By the way: Expect some physical mail during the next days (I hope so)
@FaheemMitha It was indeed (first Linux system I used) :-)
@JosephWright Ah, nostalgia...
@ChristianHupfer I wouldn't have you pegged for a Fawlty Towers fan.
@FaheemMitha Why not? I am a great fan of Monty Python and Fawlty Towers, occasionally Black Adder too, but that's rarely broadcast in Germany... I should buy the DVD edition of that one day. I could watch on YouTube most likely, but I prefer watching on a real TV set
7:57 PM
@ChristianHupfer Dunno. It's very English. But sure, why not?
@JosephWright hello?
@DavidCarlisle Yo!
@ChristianHupfer Oh my!
@JosephWright I know nothing about emacs, I write all my latex documents using vim.
@DavidCarlisle Spot the looney!
8:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle I also know nothing about Emacs :-)
@ChristianHupfer Number 3. The Larch.
@FaheemMitha I like the British style of humour. Black! Lethal! Obscure!
@PauloCereda How not to be seen? :D Yes, it was the middle one! ;-)
@ChristianHupfer :)
@ChristianHupfer Agreed on Black. With heaping dollops of sarcasm and insult. Even in real life.
Any exsheets expert out there, apart from @clemens ?
Q: Hide counter for exsheets solution environment

Christian IvicevicI am using counter-format=se.qu. for my questions which gives the following output In my case I want to hide the counters from solutions (so that I only get Lösungsvorschlag. there without the 3.1) but I want to avoid writing \SetupExSheets{counter-format=} and \SetupExSheets{counter-format=se...

@FaheemMitha Insult? That does not sound really nice.
8:07 PM
@ChristianHupfer It isn't. But you've watched Fawlty Towers and Blackadder, so you know the kind of thing I'm talking about.
So, who is getting ready to watch lame Star Wars films, and give Disney their money?
@FaheemMitha Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In about two weeks, not today etc.
@ChristianHupfer Want a good spoiler? I have one.
@PauloCereda Don't you dare!
@ChristianHupfer Someone is the father of someone else. :)
@PauloCereda Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
8:15 PM
@ChristianHupfer Ok. Are you going to stand in line and stuff?
@ChristianHupfer <3 Your hat suits this line perfectly. :)
@PauloCereda That's usually how it works for human beings. It's called sex. You could look it up.
@FaheemMitha Lol
Though maybe if they perfected cloning it wouldn't be necessary.
@FaheemMitha No, that's the basic Prolog intro course.
8:17 PM
@egreg I only know a few birthdays, and none are of famous people. :)
/me imagines TeX SE Chat with multiple clones of egreg and DavidCarlisle. Not to mention Paulo.
@AlanMunn I have a notebook for such emergency. :)
@FaheemMitha It will be fun. :)
There was once a bloke in the SE universe complaing there weren't enough downvotes for him. He was like my evil clone!
@Christian: on a serious note, someone major is revealed to be the father of someone.
@PauloCereda Han Solo is the Father of Chewbacca? ;-)
@ChristianHupfer Oh my... how can I put this so I don't spoil it? Not Chewbacca... :)
@PauloCereda Just be quiet! No spoilers please or I will send you another physical mail -- and you won't like it! :D
8:29 PM
@ChristianHupfer Sir yes sir! :)
8:45 PM
@PauloCereda So, are lame Star War watching plans in your future too?
@PauloCereda You can tell me everything. Having never seen any of the Star Wars movies, I'm spoiler immune. :)
@FaheemMitha How do you know the new movie is lame?
9:08 PM
@JosephWright here we go again...
9:19 PM
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.87.0 (TeX Live 2016/dev)
 restricted system commands enabled.
LaTeX2e <2016/01/01>
@JosephWright ^^^^
! unexpected use of \pdfvariable.
<to be read again>
l.101 ...edef\pdfreplacefont         {\pdfvariable r
It was sort of predicted on luatex list, but more changes required...
@ChristianHupfer By definition? It's Star Wars. How could it not be lame?
@AlanMunn See, once there were these two droids, who were good friends...
One was short, and the other was tall. Are you bored yet?
@FaheemMitha zzzzz :)
@AlanMunn lol
@DavidCarlisle Try it with textbf{a bug} :P
9:32 PM
@egreg no
@egreg am i allowed to \def\bug{bug} first?
@DavidCarlisle Chicken.
@egreg I could do it in luatex 0.87 flavoured lua if you prefer
@DavidCarlisle Are you looking for new bugs in it?
@egreg I have absolute confidence that it will perform as expected.
@DavidCarlisle Blame Hans, otherwise.
9:41 PM
@egreg running the latex test suite now....
@JosephWright I suppose luatex85.sty ought to be called something else.
@DavidCarlisle Directions on how to chop your leg off.
@DavidCarlisle luatex-dont-panic.sty
@egreg I was thinking \RequirePackage{half-a-chance-of-making-your-document-work-with-new-luatex}`
@DavidCarlisle That much?
@egreg advertising licence, I hype up the chance of success
9:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle hello-world-should-work.sty
@egreg its-not-my-fault.sty
@JosephWright another challenge for you in l3build, normalise 29025 to 31457377
@egreg a little challenge for you: spot the relationship ^^^ (not too hard:-)
@DavidCarlisle 7161 -> 1E00061?
@egreg first being output from luatex 0.85 second from 0.87, so what's the input:-)
@DavidCarlisle 111000101100001 -> 1111000000000000001100001 Move the 1 a few places left and add how many zeros as you like
@egreg \showthe\mathcode`\a :-)
10:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
@egreg 0.87 drops all internal support for \mathcode \mathchardef etc it does not distinguish between something defined with \mathchardef and \Umathchardef, which is probably a good thing overall, but it makes a mess of our test logs
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11:24 PM
Off topic. Hello. In LyX, (amsart) when I want to say, by equation (1), we have..., should I enter the (1) in math mode, or is there a more standard way to cite numbered equations (such as with citing references)?
11:36 PM
@FaheemMitha Someday, perhaps. :)
@TheSubstitute -- if you give it a label, say \label{myeqn}, you can refer to it as Equation~\eqref{myeqn} and the parentheses and number will be filled in. (you can leave off the Equation~ if you prefer the short form.)
@FaheemMitha Matter of taste IMHO. I don't like the last 3 movies (one of the reasons is my dislike of Portman), but the first 3 are very nice. Things nowadays are different, and even the focus is shifted towards a different perspective; I have this friend who watched it and enjoyed it so much. So your mileage might greatly vary.
Close voting gone amok. Please vote to reopen this question.
Q: Reducing the huge space before the first line

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@AlanMunn All for hats the community. :)
@PauloCereda And Stefan voted to close too, which sets a bad example IMO.
11:53 PM
@AlanMunn Uh-oh.
Q: Close voting is not a sport

Alan MunnWe strive to be a friendly and rational community here, but the question below Reducing the huge space before the first line was just closed as "Too broad". This is a question that Has a minimal working example. Has a request for changing the spacing in the example. Has a frustrated "Plea...

@cfr You're indirectly responsible for this. :) But I take it you were not serious in your comment.
@AlanMunn I did not vote to close this. But did you by any chance see the original version of this question? I understand why it garnered multiple down-votes at that point and I sympathise with the down-voters although I was not among them. If you arrive on a site and introduce yourself in that kind of way, people are very likely to react in a hostile fashion. I don't think this is close voting gone amok. It is a perhaps regrettable but all-too-human reaction to the OP's hostility.
@cfr Sure, but that got fixed very quickly. And closing as 'too broad' because of an inappropriate subject doesn't make any sense.
@AlanMunn Though not by the OP. It garnered more than 1 down vote before it got fixed.
@cfr It doesn't matter who fixed it. And even with that subject line, it wasn't too broad and didn't warrant closing.
11:58 PM
@AlanMunn I was not serious and I did not, and would not have, voted to close it. Nor would I have down-voted it. I'm just saying that I have some sympathy.
@cfr So if we don't like someone's attitude we should close their question? Sorry, I don't think this is appropriate at all. It's vigilante closing.
@AlanMunn On the other hand, the question was fixed prior to the first down-vote.
@cfr Yes, I understand that you were joking. And I can even understand the downvotes. But closing, no.

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