I created a package based on tikz, unfortunately, it requires a bug in TikZ to be patched. I have tried contacting the developers of TikZ, but I have not received any answers so far. Is there anyway I could publish the package to CTAN, or should I wait until TikZ is patched (if that ever happens)?

@PauloCereda I'll save yours if you save mine

@Josh how big a patch is it, can't you just fix it in your package?

@DavidCarlisle It's a small patch, but I don't think I can "just fix it" in my package. The patch can be seen here.

@UlrikeFischer Oh cool, I will take a look later on, thank you. :)

@egreg Ah that explains it, thank you very much! :)

@PauloCereda Have you just got back from Mass? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@Josh ah it's lua rather than tex. In tex you can almost always override anything as there is no code encapsulation, in lua of course it depends how much is exposed. I couldn't tell from the diff whether you could redefine InterfaceToDisplay.createVertex or not (ie whether it depends on that local scope) you could always distribute the complete patched InterfaceToDisplay.lua as long as it's earlier in the input path it'll be found by th epgf code

@egreg oh I had a meeting afterwards, I could not come earlier. :P

@PauloCereda So the meeting was very long. ;-)

@egreg It was! :)

@DavidCarlisle: I was thinking of a converter along these lines, thank you. :) Mind if I have some fun with your code?

@DavidCarlisle Yeh, if it was just TeX code, it wouldn't have been difficult; but is a package on CTAN even allowed to have a file that reaplces the another package's file? Also, how could I ensure that it is earlier in the input path?

@Josh it's GPL'ed so you are allowed to (although ctan don't _have to accept it, it's true) well you can't really ensure that, but at least if you distribute it, peole can use the package, otherwise if the code doesn't work probably best to wait. have you entered a bug into their sourceforge tracker?

@PauloCereda sure. Note I get bored of switching branches so the newest version of the converter is in the gh-pages branch. If you search the output for [[[ you'll see the commands that are not handled yet.

@DavidCarlisle I entered a bug report June 2014, but no response. I found the fix earlier this year (about 4-5 months ago), and posted the patch on the bug report. I also submitted a separate patch, and tried to contact them on the mailing lists. So far, I have not received any response.

@DavidCarlisle, @PauloCereda I guess any sensible format is OK for the text provided we can end up with HTML and LaTeX output :-)

@JosephWright Agreed.

@JosephWright @PauloCereda yes I worked on the basis of no change to the source tex yesterday while doing that , even if we change the source in the end, useful to document exactly what conventions are there now (which don't match the documented markup rules:-) don't use verb it says, so my converter falls over verb in a section title:(

@DavidCarlisle Step one then identify these issues (from the Lua converter complaining) and fix them?

Some aspects make things more difficult than they need be, for example I didn't notice until late that some sections have subsections and some don't which makes the toc nesting harder (I have gone with a flat one for now) and the breadcrumbs at the top of the page are wrong in sections without subsections. Could of course fix the conversion, but it's tempting to make the input more consistent.

@JosephWright yes I was just going to say I should probably open issues on the main uktug guithub and discuss it there so all the people in that group see the discussion.

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@DavidCarlisle At the moment there are not exactly loads of people taking up the challenge, though I do thing the FAQ retain a useful role

@JosephWright It would be easier for people to contribute of there was a working build script:-) Parts of the faq are useful but an awful lot of it shows its age. I don't see so many people asking "what happened to the am fonts" these days.

@DavidCarlisle Very true

@DavidCarlisle We have a version log: I'm happy if redundant info is removed (which is what I said at TUG2015: a proper review is really needed)

@David, @Joseph: my original plan was on par with David's. If it is OK with you, I would like to add a table of actions, so we could simply replace the formatter and generate the output we want (my plan was to generate .adoc). :)

@PauloCereda Fine

So I posted one issue, @PauloCereda if you are going to do some work I'll probably leave it for a bit otherwise this evening I was going to tidy up the remaining places where [[[somecommand]]] gets through

@DavidCarlisle I might take a closer look, but you know I am tied to my thesis. :) Feel free to work on the code.

@JosephWright I probably wouldn't remove stuff "cool uris don't change, and all:-) but I'd probably reword some of the older questions to use past tense a bit more.

@PauloCereda OK

@DavidCarlisle Fine

@Josh Try to contact Christian Feuersänger directly.

@JosephWright I like the faq, there are quite a number of usefull answer which you can use for links. And I like the wording ("Tables and figures have a tendency to surprise, by floating away..." is simply great). But I miss a bit the search page.

Isn't it anymore sufficient for me to place a .cls in the same folder as my .tex file for it to be used temporarily?

>_>

@JosephWright I added some notes about key management.

@Alenanno should be OK

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, but it's not working. It still complains. Someone up there must hate me. :D

@UlrikeFischer search page: google.co.uk/search?q=site:tex.ac.uk+ulrike

@Alenanno show top of log?

@Alenanno more exactly it needs to be in the folder from which you start tex, not necessarily the folder with the document

@DavidCarlisle The folder from which you start tex?

@Alenanno If you run ~/bar $ tex foo/document.tex the folder you started tex is bar, not foo. :)

@Alenanno if you are in /a/b/zzz and do latex ../foo/bar/myfile.tex then any relative input paths are relative to /a/b/zzz not to /a/foo/bar/

@UlrikeFischer Gotta love the English way of telling bad news. :)

@PauloCereda Did any duck played with the upvote button 10 hours ago? ;-)

@RomainPicot oh that time, it wasn't me. :)

coin coin

:)

@PauloCereda bad news?

@DavidCarlisle I meant, "tables will give you headaches". :)

@PauloCereda I've +75 At the same hours today, was thinking about a naughty duck :-)

@PauloCereda This sounds needlessly complicated for just a simple document testing. >_>

@Alenanno Why simplify things when we can complicate? :)

@Alenanno normally people cd to the relevant folder first and just do latex myfile so it isn't an issue.

@RomainPicot Someone hit me on the head with a newspaper. :)

@UlrikeFischer I have tried contacting him; however, he does not list any way to contact him.

@DavidCarlisle It's just that this used to work and now it doesn't and it bothers me when inexplicable things happen. lol

@Alenanno as I say post the first few lines of the log file here and it'll be easier to see what's wrong

@PauloCereda We'll see if you'll trigger the reverting script this time ;-)

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=pdflatex 2015.10.18)  26 NOV 2015 11:36
entering extended mode
 restricted \write18 enabled.
 %&-line parsing enabled.
**/Users/Alenanno/Dropbox/Alenanno/Files/Documenti/Tex/prova3.tex
(/Users/Alenanno/Dropbox/Alenanno/Files/Documenti/Tex/prova3.tex
LaTeX2e <2015/10/01> patch level 1
Babel <3.9m> and hyphenation patterns for 79 languages loaded.

! LaTeX Error: File `wlscirep.cls' not found.

Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed,

@PauloCereda I feel an urge to post the hit duck with loaf of bread MP clip...

@DavidCarlisle There you go, tell me if it's enough.

@DavidCarlisle ooh do it

@Alenanno and where is wlscirep.cls, in that Tex directory?

@DavidCarlisle Yes.

@DavidCarlisle The directory structure sounds suspiciously Italian. :)

@PauloCereda Not sure what that means lol

@Alenanno it's exactly the issue we guessed, you are in some other place and have gone pdflatex /Users/Alenanno/Dropbox/Alenanno/Files/Documenti/Tex/prova3.tex instead do cd /Users/Alenanno/Dropbox/Alenanno/Files/Documenti/Tex; pdflatex prova3.tex

@Alenanno Documenti is Italian. :)

@PauloCereda Indeed lol

@Alenanno apart from making the class file be found, it means that .aux files etc get written to the directory with the document, so they will be found on the next run.

@DavidCarlisle Still nothing.

Oh no, wait.

@Josh There is a mail adress in the pgfplots manual, also he is a user on this site, so you could ping him through one of his questions/answers. And as he has a not so common name and is living in a smaller town there is a good chance to find his postal address e.g. through the "telefon book" dastelefonbuch.de.

Thanks for the help by the way, @PauloCereda and @DavidCarlisle

@UlrikeFischer Lack of search is a known issue: @PauloCereda is meant to be on it :-) May depend on what's decided about hosting (GitHub pages would be fine with me, I'd just need the DNS updating)

@JosephWright Working on it. :)

@JosephWright although it's hard to beat google on searching:-)

@DavidCarlisle If people know how to do it, yes, but at the very least a custom search box would be good

@JosephWright agreed

@David: I was planning on improving the matches with an intricate parser, but I was wondering if the .tex document could be simplified instead.

@JosephWright Do you think we need a PL3 or do you think it can wait until 2016/01/01, how many people are going to query an empty list of callbacks....

@PauloCereda yes as I said to Joseph above somewhere I think making it match what's there is a useful exercise to document what is there, but in many cases we should then just fix the markup to be more consistent.

@DavidCarlisle Agreed.

@PauloCereda I just added footnotes (which were dropped in the old html) davidcarlisle.github.io/uk-tex-faq/FAQ-useMF.html

@DavidCarlisle Ah.

@PauloCereda (but I don't think the faq needs footnotes:-)

@DavidCarlisle Should I fork your repo or the UK-TUG one? :)

@PauloCereda well the convertor is not in the uk one, the tex sources are the same in either

@DavidCarlisle So yours it is. :)

@PauloCereda or you could comment on my issue saying it's a good idea, and then I could make myself a pull request, change hats and accept it to move it all back to the upstream rep

@DavidCarlisle too late, I forked. :)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but it so difficult to adapt to all this changes when the shortcuts for searches are buried deep in the browser settings ;-). And you get interesting promotions. A search on the tex faq for "float" gave me "Floating & Massagen - Tiefenentspannung ab 45,- €‎"

@UlrikeFischer only 45 euros?, a bargain!

@DavidCarlisle ab 45 euros. Which means it can be everything ...

@UlrikeFischer my built in language translator ignores such small words:-) oh I see, it means "from" ah.

@David: what's a quoteverbatim?

@PauloCereda look in faq.sty: it's verbatim for when you want to have a verbatim environment in the example

@DavidCarlisle Oh thanks.

@PauloCereda I should probably delete the master branch, all the updates are in gh-pages

@PauloCereda sometimes I decoded faq.sty to find out what things mean but mostly, i just looked in the old html at what was made before so made something similar but with a bit more standardised html/css markup.

@DavidCarlisle Got it.

@PauloCereda one thing I changed was ctan references which had a big input file in the tex listing all the archive paths which I ignored. also it went to the uk node. I made it go to ctan.org but also just used the /pkg/packagename link which is a better landing page for most people. In some cases (like etex.sty) where the ctan package name is not the latex package name, that does the wrong thing, but I thought just to add an optional argument in the markup to give the ctan package name when

needed rather than maintain the external list in dirctan.tex

@DavidCarlisle Possibly it can wait :-)

@DavidCarlisle, @PauloCereda As long as in the end I can pull everything back to the master repo I'm not fussed how things are done!

@DavidCarlisle Sounds good: Robin had this set up for the core server in a way that's not really encouraged anyway

@JosephWright I'll fix it in trunk later today

@DavidCarlisle OK

@DavidCarlisle Assuming Frank is happy with the Unicode data plan I've got to adjust the loader there for the plan I'm cooking up :-)

@JosephWright I expect he'll be happy there is a plan

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle What if you have to show how to use quoteverbatim? Define quotequoteverbatim. Then you have to show how to use quotequoteverbatim,…

@egreg :-)

@egreg as @JosephWright just demonstrated, it doesn't matter what the code behaviour is, so long as there is someone (else) to blame.

Starring a comment blaming someone who's not able to reply seems a bit unfair

@Johannes_B Hmm?

@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright: apart from the fact nothing is working, everything is working according to the plan. :)

@PauloCereda yes, I added a lot of css classes that I haven't used for displayed example etc:-)

@DavidCarlisle I wanted to convert those TeX files to AsciiDoc or ReST.

@PauloCereda or microsoft word?

@DavidCarlisle even better. :)

@PauloCereda look I made some images davidcarlisle.github.io/uk-tex-faq/FAQ-subheight.html

@DavidCarlisle ooooh

@PauloCereda I tried to get the old ones from the internet archive but seemed to not be there for a while, then I read the document and thought "I could run tex to make those":-)

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@PauloCereda don't know: the current tex is a bit inconsistent but anyone wanting to contribute will know the markup, I've never for example used either of those, although I've heard of asciidoc

oh REST=restructured text, OK I've heard of both but not used either:-)

@DavidCarlisle indeed. :) I just thought of those formats because one could use sphinx, asciidoc[tor] or other tool to generate a HTML5, search-powered and batteries-included website structure from these sources instead of us manually generating HTML. :)

@PauloCereda I never trust those things:-) (but no objection if you can code up all the cross referencing that needs to be done using one of those standard markup tools)

@DavidCarlisle That was my thinking: as the topic is TeX and as (almost) all users know some LaTeX that seems the best plan

@DavidCarlisle You are the authority, I just use those tools erratically. :)

@JosephWright perhaps a cleanup of the helper macros might help the process. :)

@PauloCereda Yes, sure. For example the Lua script @DavidCarlisle has already has notes about some duplicated/odd names that could be fixed

As @DavidCarlisle says, a working build chain will help with making new additions

@JosephWright indeed, saw it.

@PauloCereda Until my laptop is fixed I'm a bit restricted on helping

Am also working on Unicode issues

@JosephWright Oh no! Palladium?

@PauloCereda Yup

@JosephWright Ouch.

@PauloCereda Dead HD: can do bits at work then only have a tablet in the evening

Tablet was a recent purchase and really aimed at 'testing' more than anything, so it's lucky I've got it at all

@JosephWright seems Robin didn't like \LaTeX so defined \latex to do the same but not clear just duplicating half the syntax really helps:-)

@DavidCarlisle We could ask him I guess

@DavidCarlisle: I will remove my fork and work on a clean base. :)

@DavidCarlisle I always do \renewcommand\LaTeX{LaTeX} but ...

@PauloCereda I can give you access to the master repo (if I haven't already)

@JosephWright I think I do, but I don't want to mess things up just now. :)

@JosephWright no need really, the macros are clear enough and more or less documented that way: % non-silly names...

@PauloCereda, @DavidCarlisle BTW, don't forget about github.com/josephwright/unicode-data

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle If we go to GitHub pages I will have to ring him to get the DNS changed

@JosephWright got a day off tomorrow, will look then probably, or this evening

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@JosephWright yes or just set up gh-pages for testing of things then push the stuff over to the other server when "published" (whichever works really)

@DavidCarlisle True: if @StefanKottwitz is happy I'm happy

@JosephWright also I was going to write some new text on float allocation if I remember correctly..

@DavidCarlisle Yup

@PauloCereda disaster, I just had to edit a file (for real, on the day job) on a remote server via ssh and it didn't have emacs:( I had to use vi

@DavidCarlisle woooo

:)

@DavidCarlisle nano

@David: I am very surprised you've managed to get out of the editor. :)

@JosephWright boo

@JosephWright Not even an emacs user would go that low. :)

@PauloCereda OK, pico

@PauloCereda I was about to scp the file back edit it and push it back again, but I took a deep breath and told myself I could do it...

@PauloCereda He just shut down the connection, probably.

@PauloCereda edlin ;-)

@JosephWright I was expecting ed. :)

@JosephWright <3

@DavidCarlisle I am proud of you. :)

@JosephWright I did consider using sed, but doing blind regexp edits on a live file seemed a bit brave

@egreg I will ask David to install VimFX for Firefox, so he can torture himself while browsing the web. :)

@PauloCereda Then opened a new one and did kill

@egreg :)

@DavidCarlisle: look at this majestic session. :)

@PauloCereda editor looks fine, the code looks rubbish, who wrote that nonsense

@DavidCarlisle oopsie

:)

Good maen

@ChristianHupfer: ^^ <3

@PauloCereda Yes?

@ChristianHupfer good maen :)

@PauloCereda You stole my line :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

@ChristianHupfer awww

@ChristianHupfer I wub you. <3

@PauloCereda Oh no... eh, I mean .... yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ;-)

@ChristianHupfer hm.

@Johannes_B Very talkative :-P

@ChristianHupfer Was out the whole day, hiding from the PC. Have to catch up on the LaTeX stuff.

@ChristianHupfer Did you know, that even when not on the PC, people can still call your mobile phone?

@yo' Sorry, yesterday I couldn't really do anything. I'd just come back from the eye doctors and with dilated pupils I could barely see anything. Are you referring to the text on the top or on the bottom? How can you tell it's math mode? I typed it in LaTeXit! (i.e. math mode) as $\text{\emph{Mathematica}}$. I just compared with plain math mode, and there the spacing between M..a and t..h would be noticeably bigger.

@yo' Also thanks again for the help when first making the package!

@Johannes_B No, that is completely new to me! ;-)

@Szabolcs You could save \text and type only \emph{Mathematica}. :)

@PauloCereda not in math but \textit{Mathematica} would work (and be better than \emph really) @Szabolcs

@DavidCarlisle It worked in math for me. :(

@PauloCereda bug

@PauloCereda mmm I suppose so, it's \DeclareTextFontCommand{ so really it's \textem like \textit so feature not bug:-)

@DavidCarlisle oooh :)

@DavidCarlisle <3

@PauloCereda not so many [[[ left now :-)

@DavidCarlisle that's good. :)

@PauloCereda I did break my own rule and edit the tex in some cases, one suspects that ... latex{} is missing a \ somewhere.... (@JosephWright)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm making a start on sorting out Robin's odd capitalisation :-)

@JosephWright unicode readme as at least on of the upper -> one

@DavidCarlisle Will fix tomorrow (no laptop)

@DavidCarlisle Turns out I could sort using web edit interface

@JosephWright I just pushed a few tex edits to faq, the convertor now may make mistakes but doesn't "know" it is making mistakes, no more [[[

@JosephWright If you think it looks reasonable could junk my fork and pull it all back to the uktug one, but then need to decide whether to run gh-pages.

Somebody here with MAC and TeXShop knowledge? There is another question to autocomplete with TeXShop. Is there an answer possible or better close as off topic (There are a lot of such questions with no answers (see related))?

@Kurt I never use autocompletion

@egreg I do neither

@Kurt I tried and previous words appear in the list even if they are “strange”: I tried with xyzzy, for instance.

@egreg so the op does missunderstand something or could it be an installation issue? It is more than 4 years ago I last used an MAC and TeXShop, so I am not able to help the op here ...

@Kurt Wait, it was version 3.56. I'm now downloading 3.58

@Kurt The same for 3.58

@egreg interesting ...

lalalalalala

@RomainPicot @yo' at minute 17:30 a song with french lyrics is starting. Do you know the song or can tell me the name based on a lyrics search? I c'ouldnt find anything, but my french is very very rusty. soundcloud.com/ewoutvl/balkonsessie-01

overleaf.com/blog/…

Guess about whom I had to think when I saw this...

@moose @egreg? @DavidCarlisle? @Johannes_B? @clemens @JosephWright? ... Hm, I can't think of any other duck-related person here ;-)

@ChristianHupfer No idea!