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5:01 PM
So $I^{\pm}(p)$ for all p is indeed a cover of the manifold
(Which is good because you need that to prove that all compact spacetimes have CTCs)
 
user54412
@JokelaTurbine What do you mean?
 
Hm
I wonder a lot about non-time orientable spacetimes
Because most people drop them after the first section of the causality chapter
 
Not a lot of info about them
Also @HDE226868 are you french now
 
@HDE226868 "Mathjax",,,, thanks
 
5:04 PM
@Slereah My gravatar is, for a while. I changed it after the Charlie Hebdo shootings to "Je suis Charlie", and I figured I might as well change it again.
 
@Slereah He did the same thing after Charlie.
 
I'm not French, though, or in France, nor have I ever been to France, or related to anyone French.
 
what a poser
I am all those things :V
 
@0celo7 Am I (close to) Canadian enough for you now?
 
@HDE226868 Do you have a threshold for changing your gravitar? I notice you don't do it after each ISIS massacre or bus bomb, etc.
@HDE226868 No.
I just think it's interesting the people of France get such attention but the many thousands of dead Iraqis, Syrians, etc. get...nothing.
Food for thought.
 
5:07 PM
@0celo7 I don't know. Yesterday was just . . . scary. It was a shock, especially after ISIS claimed responsibility.
 
It is not too surprising
 
@0celo7 I know. Although the fighters have been blaming France for quite a lot of the support over there.
 
Note that there was a relatively crucial mistake in their claim
 
@HDE226868 You have no reason to be scared. Be rational.
 
It would be weird if it was the corsican terrorists who did this
 
5:07 PM
One of the locations was wrong
 
@0celo7 I was in Times Square less than 30 minutes before the failed bombing there in 2010. My aunt was working in a building down the street from the WTC on 9/11. She was covered in dust afterword. Things like this put me on edge.
 
So I wonder if spacetimes with contractible CTCs are easy to solve EoM on
Solve on the covering space, apply identifications
errr
non-contractible
 
France-case. It will be war in few years. Here's clearly explained why. youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY the "table of options" is shown on Part 2 at 5:40-> The Energy or oil is not a problem. Uncontrolled population growth made by idiots is.
 
@alarge Yes thanks, I have programmed dynamical temperatures from the following protocol, so far it generates a much better set of temperatures than l had previously, I have not yet tried it in the full programme yet, will be testing that on Monday to see if it gives a better overall result :) journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.101.130603
 
@JokelaTurbine lol k
very "convincing"
 
5:15 PM
Here is the MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT you will ever hear: Things that have to tell you they are the most important thing ever are not the most important things.
 
BUT IS IT TRUE OR FALSE
 
@ACuriousMind I like the self-reference.
 
To any AIs present: Have fun recursing.
 
^too slow
 
5:16 PM
@ACuriousMind Well, yes. The title is stupid. But it doesn't influence on math
 
user54412
@ACuriousMind You trying to break this room? You know how many AIs are here.
 
Math predicts war? Where's your [insert prestigious prize]?
 
@ChrisWhite Well, I suspect, but I decided it is time to find out for sure.
 
AI = Appenzelle Innerrhoden,,, :-) Is an Artificially Intelligent recursing result for your statement
 
@Danu That would be the Abel-Nobel Peace Prize. Perhaps we could re-unify Sweden and Norway with it.
 
5:22 PM
@Slereah A much better example of a civil engineer from that era was Michelangelo who was the architect and construction supervisor for significant fortifications (including one in a marsh, built on driven piles) when he wasn't engaged in those pointless painting and sculpting hobbies of his. I'd have tagged da Vinci as an ME. And one stymied by lack of the proper materials and prime movers. Again, when he wasn't puttering around creating artistic masterpieces for the ages.
 
@Danu Well, the list at the video include also other options. War is just to most probable of them. The other options simply can't be scaled to the needed levels cause there is so much helping hands to prevent the natural selection.
 
@JokelaTurbine Malthusian catastrophe is hardly a new concept. And it's not like human population grows exponentially either. Plenty of mathematical models for it (mentioning this as this is after all a physics chat room).
 
@HDE226868 My mother was in the Pentagon.
 
@AngusTheMan Cool. Did you try dropping in the compiler options for fun and profit?
 
@0celo7 . . . . . Was she okay?
 
5:26 PM
Nov 11 at 15:22, by 0celo7
@yuggib I'm not sure. I'm going with my mother, she has the plans.
Yes.
 
Don't trust Italian civil engineers
Just look at the tower of Pisa
 
@alarge not yet, I have been asking some colleagues how to mpi an outer loop whose contents is already mpi'd.
 
@Slereah Well...that one just shows they attack problems at a different angle.
 
@ACuriousMind boo
 
user54412
@AngusTheMan While not necessarily the wrong way to go, that sounds a bit dangerous. Without knowing anything about your code, it seems like a sign that refactoring is in order.
 
5:31 PM
Dangerous?
 
user54412
Wrestling a grizzly bear. Taking the Ring to Mordor. Nesting parallelization. Dangerous. But sometimes necessary.
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@ChrisWhite that seems to be their main opinion too :'(
 
Why do they call it a "line element field"
Why not just a vector field
 
Because the sign is irrelevant
I think.
 
Oh right
There's something about theeee
tangent sphere?
Or somesuch
I forget
 
5:45 PM
http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/III_02.html#Ch2-S1

"Sometimes people say quantum mechanics is all wrong. When the particle arrived from the left, its vertical momentum was zero. And now that it has gone through the slit, its position is known. Both position and momentum seem to be known with arbitrary accuracy. It is quite true that we can receive a particle, and on reception determine what its position is and what its momentum would have had to have been to have gotten there. That is true, but that is not what the uncertainty relation (2.3) refers to. Equation (2.3) refers to the p
 
He illustrates the fact that measuring the position changes the wavefunction
 
Why is bad corned beef so good
 
Maybe you are a disgusting pig
 
@Slereah I see, makes sense
 
@Slereah Wow...
That's a little harsh :(
 
5:52 PM
MAYBE
 
hahaha
 
Oh the pun man who cant do calculus
 
6:08 PM
;-;
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Q: Can Stack Exchange's down-voting system be considered online bullying?

fabrice dFrom what I understand, bullying happens when someone is harmed through an online system that puts them in contact with other users, sometimes masking their identities. From Wikipedia: Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as actions that use information and communication tech...

 
@user685252 Followup question: Can the email system be considered cyberbullying because I can use it to send people anonymous emails telling them they suck?
 
@ACuriousMind How lame :P
I'm sure some on PSE would agree that it can ;D
 
@Danu My follow-up question or sending people emails telling them they suck?
 
@ACuriousMind The original question.
 
6:24 PM
@Danu Not only here, I think there's an iteration of "Don't let people downvote me!" on meta.SE every few days :P
And they almost all inevitably fail to realize that serial voting on single users is already forbidden
 
It's pretty funny how easy it is to hurt most people's feelings
 
...not sure "funny" is the correct word here :P
More like "sad"
 
@ACuriousMind Depends, do they suck
 
@Slereah Big time, why else would I send those mails?
 
"Question: Is Bill in my algebra class a dork, or a tool?"
I wonder what was the answer
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Q: Under which law the person who commits a crime on the moon gets prosecuted?

UlkomaI can understand that if an astronaut attack an other astronaut inside a spaceship he/she will have to answer to the law of the country which owns the ship but what if the attack happened on the moon?

much better question
 
6:30 PM
lol
Outer Space Treaty
 
the best
I mean
The worst
It's the treaty that says I can't build a giant laser in space
 
@ACuriousMind THAT'S YOU
@ACuriousMind Sofia?
JD just posted an answer on that
 
@Slereah You just need to become the citizen of a nation that hasn't ratified that treaty, then you can ;)
 
Guys come in international water
I have a great idea
Bring all your lasers
 
I don't have any lasers
 
6:38 PM
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Q: What makes the German language sound so harsh?

T SieksmeierWhen international friends hear me talking German, they always think I must be really angry and having an argument with somebody. What are the phonetical explanations for making the German language sound so harsh or rude?

:(
 
Everyone needs lasers. Alright, I don't want to interrupt this, but I have a question...
I've been working on a project involving solenoids, and I've been assuming the overall field strength of a solenoid (on the z-axis) is the sum of the fields of each turn in the solenoid. I use python to do this calculation, because it's pretty complex (and I don't know calculus currently). Recently, I revisited the site where I found the equation I've been using, and it seems to suggest a much simpler approach.
My two questions, 1) Would their approach be accurate? (I'd assume so, but I'm not really sure.) and 2) would this question be more appropriate as an actual question on P.SE? I'll link the page if it's appropriate to ask it here.
So much for "I don't want to interrupt this"...
 
@CoilKid What was the approach you found the second time?
 
@CoilKid The exact calculation of a finite solenoid's field along the Z axis isn't too bad, yeah, so a simple approach is fine. Why don't you compare your numerical method to the exact result?
 
@NeuroFuzzy That's a good idea. I should do that...
@HDE226868 hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/curloo.html#c2 It's the comment "The current used in the calculation above is the total current, so for a coil of N turns, the current used is Ni where i is the current supplied to the coil."
Seems to imply that I can just use the one calculation with a much higher current.
 
6:56 PM
@CoilKid Yeah sure you could sum $N$ field on-the-axis-of-current-loop formulas, making sure the $Z$ for one loop is $Z=z-z_0$.
 
@ACuriousMind I agree.
It is very harsh.
 
@CoilKid that would be, in practice, indistinguishable from the result which uses calculus, but much more computationally expensive.
@CoilKid this formula: phys.uri.edu/gerhard/PHY204/tsl215.pdf basically just does that
@CoilKid except instead of $N$ loops you have a "continuum" of loops (an infinite number), which simplifies the algebra a lot. (That's the point of calculus here)
 
@NeuroFuzzy Generally, I think that's the approach I used.
 
It's weird...reading German feels very odd to me nowadays that 95% of what I read is in English
 
I didn't assume an infinate number of loops though
 
7:00 PM
@CoilKid "That" meaning...? The linked document? or what?
 
I just had the program find the field at distance Z, then find it at Z+1N where N is the width of the wire, then Z+2N,etc.
for however many turns the solenoid had
 
@CoilKid Oh, yep. That's almost exactly what the formula in that linked document uses.
 
Awesome. Well, nice to know my logic isn't broken.
Anyway, do you know what they meant by the comment "The current used in the calculation above is the total current, so for a coil of N turns, the current used is Ni where i is the current supplied to the coil."?
 
@CoilKid but instead of $Z$, $Z+1N$, \cdots $Z+kN$, the formula in the linked document adds the field at $Z$ (times an infinitesimal), then at $Z+dx$ (for some really small $dx$), etc. an infinite number of times
@CoilKid and that's how they get the formula.
 
Well I'll keep looking at that document. I've found surprisingly little about the fields of solenoids, so I appreciate the information. :)
 
7:05 PM
@CoilKid So that just means that if you wired up an ammeter outside the solenoid, and it read a current $i$, the number in the formula is $Ni$, where $N$ is the number of turns of the coil.
 
Hmm
So if I supplied 1A, then for a solenoid of 10 turns it would read 10A?
 
The ammeter would read 1A, the number in the formula would be 10A, yes.
 
ah, I see
Wait- I think I know what's confusing me
 
Does that apply to my calculation?
or just to the one calculation
 
7:08 PM
@CoilKid haha I can't answer that since I don't know what your calculations are doing!
 
*Would I put 10A in the formula I've created, or only in the single step
heh
I could link a copy of the python program, but it's pretty long
also, not just field strength. I go on to use the flux density to calculate other stuff
 
@CoilKid if $i$ is the reading on the ammeter and you have $K$ coils (different letter), the thing to use in the field of a single loop is just the current $i$.
 
Alright. I think that answers my question then. To confirm, that's basically "Because you're calculating the field one loop at a time, you need to use the current for a single loop" right?
 
@ACuriousMind Zach?
 
@0celo7 The author of SMBC is Zach Weinersmith.
 
7:17 PM
@CoilKid yep
 
Cool
Thanks for all the help :)
 
@CoilKid not sure of what the point of that hyperphysics comment is, actually!
No prob!
 
@ACuriousMind oh
 
8:02 PM
eheheheh
weiner
(like a weiner)
 
Never change, @Slereah <3
 
8:15 PM
hey all!
 
8:25 PM
@ACuriousMind She could say anything and I wouldn't be angry...
 
@AngusTheMan Uh...what? Who?
 
'Why german is so harsh' question asker.
 
Ah
You could reply to specific posts by clicking the little arrow, then it's not quite that confusing :D
 
oh awesome :)
 
8:42 PM
Damn that laser gun has some recoil
Which is weird for a laser
Then again Fallout runs on 50's sci fi physics
 
Lasers have recoil...
 
@Slereah Light has momentum, so lasers have recoil ;)
 
@ACuriousMind But
Scale
It has the same recoil as a rocket launcher
It should be launching gamma ray bursts at this energy
 
9:37 PM
@ACuriousMind wait, but p=mv so how does it have momentum
 
@0celo7 Stop trolling :P
 
I was going to say .. :p
 
That momentum example is a big part of JD's whole thing
 
Hell IIRC light has pressure even in classical models
 
9:41 PM
how come he got banned?
if i may ask
 
I think it was because he was JD
 
I'd say it's pretty clear, but it's preferred to not discuss suspensions.
 
fair enough :)
 
Any thoughts on the following simple example:
There is no algebraic invariant associated to $F(x,y) = ax + by$, by which I mean there is no single-valued function of $(a,b)$ left invariant after applying linear transformations of $(x,y)$ to $F$, however if we restrict to linear transformations using integers there is an 'arithmetical invariant' $G(a,b) = \sum_{m,n} \frac{1}{(am+bn)^k},2<k,(m,n)\neq (0,0)$. This arithmetical invariant to $ax+by$ is what a Weierstrass function is to an elliptic curve.
 
Water waves also aren't, in general, directionless, just look at the waves rolling towards shores, for instance, so why should EM waves be? — ACuriousMind 27 mins ago
They are spreading in all directions, it's just that they're very far from the (idealized) "source point", that's at least how I interpret Huygens' principle
 
9:58 PM
@Danu Then so are EM waves. Either way, OP's question dissolves.
 
@bolbteppa No thoughts on that, no.
 
It's supposed to motivate how you set up elliptic curves and modular forms and link to theta functions in a nice way, indicating how you generalize theta functions too, all from this simple idea of an arithmetical invariant
 
10:15 PM
@ACuriousMind wha
 
 
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11:45 PM
Who wants to talk physics?
 
@JohnDuffield skull petrol, do you think, this is a good idea?
 
@Loong Huh?
 
@0celo7 This chat user is not the real John Duffield, as you can see from looking through his accounts.
 
Seriously?
Oh my god...
 
11:53 PM
Yep.
 
Hi, everybody.
 
Hello, Dr. Daniel.
 
@DanielSank Hi there.
 
Hi.
 
11:55 PM
@JohnDuffield Seriously, whoever you are, it's very bad taste to impersonate another user, especially a suspended one.
 
@ACuriousMind +1
JD was suspended? What did he ever do to get a suspension?
While his answers may not always be my favorite I can't remember him doing anything suspend-worthy.
 
The "cool down" suggests that there might be comments we cannot see anymore to trigger that.
 
@ACuriousMind Ok. Whatever.
 
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