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12:00 AM
aw
@Doorknob gahrae just emailed me expressing concern for his deleted posts
 
tell him to post on meta
or join us here in chat
 
@SuperJedi224 :( my Youtube isn't working
 
@undergroundmonorail I'm not sure you got the order of those cells right
 
I HAVE STARS NOW
no longer starving
sorry doorknob
 
12:13 AM
@SuperJedi224 that code i wrote there works, but i just realized i can do [>]> instead
wait
no i can't because the first cell might be 0
yeah the only thing i can be totally sure about is that the cell to the right of the pointer is constant
if moving right puts me on 0, i need to go one more. if it doesn't, i have a 0 to my left
so [<] puts me on 0 and > puts me where i want to go
 
12:41 AM
@TheDoctor He emailed you?
You weren't the person who deleted them...
Hey @feersum when are you going to post that CnR you've got in the sandbox?
I'm excited
 
@quartata yeah IDK
 
Just ask him to join The Nineteenth Byte.
If you're feeling extra nice you can give him a link.
Then we'll get @Doorknob to whack him with a trout until appropriate amounts of mod respect and understanding have entered his bloodstream
 
I did both of those
Be nice:

> I am very upset about this because of the effort that was put into the answers. Furthermore, what intensive do I have now, knowing that future work will be removed?
 
Oh all right
 
@quartata say what
 
12:49 AM
He still needs to be told that he needs the byte count + inline code for a valid answer
 
@Doorknob Don't deny you'd love to do that... ;)
 
@quartata I said that in a comment
 
I guess he didn't see it then
Anyone know a decent online BF interpreter?
 
Yes.
 
I'll say it again, in case anyone missed it:
 
12:58 AM
But you could have just asked google
 
@ThomasKwa BOUNTY!!!
 
thanks
 
Well, I'm not going to waste my 600 rep @El'endiaStarman
I have a massive 600-point bounty on this question (the last 400 will be given after the first one expires) for the shortest TI-BASIC solution to all twelve tasks.
 
1:14 AM
Does it have to be <140 bytes?
@ThomasKwa
 
0
A: Remove all occurrences of the first letter of a string from the entire string

undergroundmonorailbrainfuck, 219 bytes +[+[>+<+<]>],[<+<+>>-]>[<<[->]>[<]>-]++++[<++++++++>-]<<[[-]----[>-<----]>-<<[>+>+<<-]<,[[>+>>>+>>+>+<<<<<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]<<[>->+<<-]>[[-]+<]>[>]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<-<+>>-]<[[-]+>]>>[<]<<<<[>>>+<<<-]>>>-[>>.<<-]>>>[[-]<]<<<<<,] (Requires tape that either allows the pointer to go t...

look at this cool thing i did
 
Eyy
Looks cool
 
1:45 AM
@quartata No, you just need to solve all twelve.
 
If only the question asker got some commission from bounties :p
 
you're already getting commission in the form of increased exposure :D
Hm, I looked through your activity page, which says you only got one upvote during the bounty period.
You can always learn TI-BASIC and answer it yourself :P
 
@Calvin'sHobbies You got 32 upvotes from that question. I think you're doing OK in the rep department
 
Hey, I know at least 5 users with more rep than me. ;D
 
hi!
 
2:00 AM
There's one now :O
 
Hello!
 
Oh man
@Sp3000 When did you get 30k? Sorry if I missed it but congrats!
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I think you have the highest rep/posts ratio on the site though.
Which is even more impressive considering that question upvotes only award half the rep.
 
This answer is invalid, since it doesn't pass the last test case (recently added courtesy of Dennis). — Doorknob ♦ 9 hours ago
Trying to make me popular, huh?
 
2:23 AM
Hey look at me ma I got 4th place in the Cops part of Mystery String Printer
So proud even though all I did was make terrible number printers
 
I know the feeling. :P
 
Yep
 
Those mysterious numbers might not be pretty, but they are effective.
Look ma, no Unicode! — Dennis ♦ 20 hours ago
 
I tried to make interesting ones.
But they got cracked.
 
My J cops are fairly interesting IMHO. But they're not safe just yet.
 
2:28 AM
Hey, at least Sp complemented me on how interesting my ><> one was despite the fact that he cracked it in 5 minutes
 
I had an interesting Pyth, but that didn't go well...
Getting ><> safe with Sp3000 around should be quite difficult...
 
And my interesting 2-byte TI BASIC got rekt by Robot Kwa
 
Well, 2 bytes are begging to get cracked...
 
But see this was really clever...
 
Just found it. That was clever.
But no match against somebody that can recite all TI-BASIC commands in his sleep. :P
Hi! We were just talking about you. :D
 
2:38 AM
Oh, is the mystery string printer over?
 
No, not yet.
 
I have 4 8s to safe
 
I have 3 8s, 1 16, and 2 32s.
 
I could probably write a few more 8s (haven't done a Golfscript or Stuck or...)
I also want to write a fun TI-BASIC 32
 
I'm currently waiting for my J submissions to get safe (16, 8 and 4).
32 bytes of TI-BASIC? That should be impossible to crack...
 
2:43 AM
No, a fun one
 
Oh, that kind of fun.
 
It'll be like 6 different expressions that everyone knows how to write in 8ish bytes but require a cute trick to get in 5
wow, your 4-byte J survived 4 days already
 
Are there any 4-bytes that survived?
 
I'm trying not to get my hopes up. My 4 byte APL almost made it...
@feersum No safe ones so far, no.
 
That should be interesting then.
I'm ignoring ones 8 or larger.
 
2:53 AM
It all depends on the output. This one would have been trivial if I actually knew Lua:
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A: The Mystery String Printer (Robbers)

DennisLua, jcgoble3, ≤ 128 x=111111111 h="haha" p=h..3*x..2*x..h..7*x..h..2*x q="ha"..6*x..p..p..h..6*x..h..7*x..h..4*x..h..5*x "ha"..(q..h):rep(11)..q 124 bytes. Tested in Lua 5.3.1 REPL. This is a cleaner version that can be executed as a single command or even a full program: x=111111111 h="hah...

 
3:04 AM
Was trying to do an ASCII Mandelbrot in Minkolang and I got some pretty unexpected output.
 
Ooooh, fancy!
 
77 bytes woo! :P
 
Another CJam answer explained. Ah, that was painful...
@Doorknob Couldn't you have discounted just a little more for a CLR answer? It was almost worth it...
 
:D
 
My best score as CLR is 88.8. 30% off and it would have helped. :)
Darn lowercase, two-character operators...
 
3:39 AM
@Dennis What's CLR?
 
Caps-lock run.
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Q: IT'S CAPS LOCK DAY

DoorknobOCTOBER 22 IS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY! UNFORTUNATELY, SOME DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE GLORY OF THE ALMIGHTY CAPS LOCK. THEY SAY IT SEEMS "OBNOXIOUS" OR "LIKE SHOUTING" OR SOME NONSENSE. IN ORDER TO CONFORM TO THESE OBVIOUSLY ILLOGICAL AND INANE COMPLAINTS, PLEASE WRITE ME A PROGRAM THAT TURNS NORMA...

 
How did you get 88.8? Base encoding and exec or something?
 
That might actually be worth it. I replaced eu, el and er with "EU"32f^~ and its counterparts, then placed a space before each lowercase letter.
111 bytes minus 20 % bonus would be 88.8.
Now that I think about it, that might not even be enough. Some words may not contain 2 letters...
 
4:44 AM
@AlexA. RIDE is so much better than the terminal version.
 
@Dennis I didn't even know there was a terminal version until you said so but I can certainly imagine it would be! RIDE is pretty nice.
So I take it you got RIDE up and running?
 
Yup. After a big FAIL in the first attempt. :P
 
Haha uh oh.
What kind of FAIL are we talking about here?
 
Well, I didn't realize RIDE was Dyalog software, so I googled RIDE, downloaded it and installed it. I wound up with the Robot Framework IDE, which is something else entirely...
 
4:50 AM
@Dennis You mean this RIDE? I absolutely love that the instructional pictures are on Windows XP.
 
@El'endiaStarman Ooh, pretty.
@AlexA. Yes, that's the one.
Entirely unrelated to APL. :/
 
@El'endiaStarman Thumbs up
 
God damn, why is this bounded cumsum thing so difficult in APL?
 
why do my planes keep zigzagging when they're supposed to turn left?
 
4:58 AM
I have now clue. My attempts failed miserably.
(Re: cumsum, not planes)
 
@Doorknob ...Nethack reference?
 
there are no planes in Nethack :P
 
AHA! So you do play other games than Nethack!!!
 
:O
you saw nothing
 
Jun 6 at 7:31, by Doorknob
May 11 at 19:41, by Doorknob
But yeah, Nethack is the only game. All other games are just reskinned versions of Nethack.
I quote you quoting yourself!
 
5:02 AM
atc is just a reskinned version of Nethack
 
ಠ_ಠ is it now
 
they took Nethack, removed the Nethack, and added atc
 
Sep 25 '14 at 20:31, by Doorknob
@cjfaure Play Nethack! I dislike most computer games in general but Nethack is just great.
So you must dislike atc.
 
atc is Nethack, as shown above
 
But the Nethack was removed from atc.
 
5:04 AM
@AlexA. This is what I tried to implement at least an upper bound: 2{(⍺⌊+)\0,⍵}1 1 1 ¯1 ¯1 ¯1 ¯1 ¯1 1 1 1 1 ¯1. Unsuccessfully, I might add.
 
@AlexA. but it's still a reskinned version of Nethack
 
@Doorknob Reskinned Nethack with the Nethack removed is 0% Nethack. Therefore atc != Nethack => Doorknob plays games other than Nethack.
 
no, it's 100% Nethack
it's just that the Nethack part is having a nice stroll along the beach
and the atc part came to take its place
 
@AlexA. Yeah, it's not just a series of vectorized operations; I noticed there's no one-liner in TI-BASIC either.
 
5:07 AM
Actually, is there?...
 
Cumulative reduce takes a function in APL. It should be possible to use a bounded sum as function here...
 
hmm
 
hmm
 
(FCITW)
 
You are correct, that was one fast carrot.
 
5:11 AM
But it's not a fast (sturdily secured) carrot
nor a fast (abstinence from eating) carrot
or maybe it is, because no one's eaten it yet
 
(what) carrot
 
thomas.what('carrot')
 
      M←2⌊+
      ¯1 M 1 M 1 M 1 M 0
1
      M/0 1 1 1 ¯1
2
I honestly don't get it. Why 2?
 
I... don't know.
 
5:15 AM
OK, I may not understand how reduce works.
      -/1 2 3
2
???
 
wut
 
2-1 is 1
3-that is 2
 
That is a lie
 
      -/1 2
¯1
 
1-2=-1
 
5:16 AM
It seems to reduce from the right.
1-(2-3)
 
ah, that makes sense
 
Why would it do that?
 
Because everything is right-associative in APL...
 
-/3 2 1 gives the same result
 
1-(2-3) == 3-(2-1)
 
5:18 AM
this part of this slideshow is pretty awesome :D (hit the right arrow key a few times)
3
 
@Dennis Derp, right. But -/1 2 != -/2 1. That example implies left to right
 
It doesn't commute, it associates from right to left.
 
What do you mean?
 
f/ literally places f between the elements of the vector. -/1 2 3 4 5 is just 1-2-3-4-5.
Which APL, as usual, calculates as 1-(2-(3-(4-5))).
Yes. Well, they both do the same.
 
Hm.
 
5:23 AM
It makes sense for /. For \, not so much, since it doesn't actually give intermediate results...
 
Right. "Hm" was my display of confusion over \.
 
      (1) (1-2) (1-2-3) (1-2-3-4) (1-2-3-4-5)
1 ¯1 2 ¯2 3
      -\1 2 3 4 5
1 ¯1 2 ¯2 3
 
:O
:O :O :O
 
5:39 AM
Good night!
 
Goodnight, Dennis
 
5:51 AM
Makes me happy that Minkolang is only losing to CJam and Pyth in the bounded cumsum challenge. ^_^
(So far... >_> )
 
6:43 AM
v
Everything is formatted terribly all of a sudden
Maybe this is a mobile version
how to make it stop?
 
Throw your device into an active volcano.
@feersum
 
Yep that worked. Thanks!
 
So close to 500 rep....
@aditsu, any hope for a -2 constant in CJam?
 
7:03 AM
awww, you still had hope
 
Is CJam still being actively developed?
 
7:27 AM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Christian IrwanExploding-Imploding Quine. code-golfcode-bowlingquine Your task to create program A that will take no input and output B. Program B will take no input and output A. Program A have to have property that if a run of text is deleted, it will not produce same result. Program B is designed as short ...

 
Good morning/noon/afternoon/evening/night/midnight!
 
 
1 hour later…
8:35 AM
@GamrCorps I don't think so
@ThomasKwa somewhat actively..
 
I think 256 would be more useful than -2, if another constant were to be added.
 
a -2 constant would only save 1 byte in the vast majority of cases
 
1
Q: From Text to 1337!

George GibsonFrom Text to 1337! 1337/L33T/Leet is a language in which letters are replaced by symbols and numbers. You must write a program to do this automatically. Rules Your program cannot utilise anything outside of its folder. Your program must work for all English letters. Scoring Your score is you...

 
9:10 AM
Wow, I didn't know APL had regex.
 
9:27 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies I don't know either, but thanks :)
@Dennis ><> 16's easy to be safe I think. ><> 8's tricky - there's a big gap between the two
 
 
1 hour later…
10:42 AM
You know it's bad when you specify:
> My only reconciliation is that I beat Brainfuck.
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A: Remove all occurrences of the first letter of a string from the entire string

VTCAKAVSMoACEAppleScript, 209 bytes My only reconciliation is that I beat Brainfuck. set a to(display dialog""default answer"")'s text returned set n to a's characters's number set o to"" repeat n try if not a's character n=a's character 1 then set o to a's character n&o end set n to n-1 end o How this works is that I take input through a, get the length of a and mark it as n, and set an output variable o. For every character that I find that does not contain the first character of a (a's character 1), I concatenate it to o. The final line prints o.

Ooh, I didn't need try. Sweet.
 
11:21 AM
@Doorknob re:"deleting all my posts." Please reconsider. See: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/1451/…
 
11:37 AM
@VTCAKAVSMoACE yeah, it's bad when you confuse consolation with reconciliation
2
 
Oh. That too.
:D
fixes all the things Thanks, @aditsu
 
Anonymous
I have more stars and I am happy now
 
Anonymous
uses them all
 
Anonymous
...
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
11:47 AM
I think I broke them
 
Anonymous
12:11 PM
pokes @VTCAKAVSMoACE
 
Huhwat?
 
Anonymous
Hi
 
Hi...? What?
 
Anonymous
I'm saying hi you donut
 
Oh. Hi. I've discovered an interesting feature of text failing to wrap.
 
Anonymous
12:19 PM
You mean Doorknob's name?
 
Anonymous
And Alex's name?
 
@Mego Yes. This window size is perfect for screwing up names. Especially mine.
 
Anonymous
It doesn't wrap normally
 
Anonymous
On my screen the ACE on your name is dropped off unless you say >=3 lines together
 
Anonymous
In which case it shows the bigger avatar and the name under it
 
12:21 PM
They forgot to use zero width spaces. :D
 
Anonymous
TBH you could probably golf your name more
 
Anonymous
Use Huffman encoding on the abbreviation
 
-1
Q: Function giving diffrent outputs with supposed same parameters.

CatprogI have the following code which is meant to encrypt a message between a client and a server. std::string salsaDo(std::string key, std::string msg, byte iv[STREAM_IV_LENGTH]) { //Set up byte arrays for proccess byte *plaintextBytes = (byte *)msg.c_str(); byte *ciphertextBytes = new b...

0
Q: Encrypt a string with itself!

Thomas WEncrypt a string with itself Your goal is to encrypt a string with itself as follows: Take an input, e.g. the string x Replace all occurrences of the first character in string x with the last character of string x in string x, the result is the interim string a Replace all occurrences of the s...

 
So much Thomas W
 
Anonymous
1:04 PM
@feersum such is life
 
Anonymous
Though if chat stars counted for rep I'd be doing much better
3
 
1:27 PM
hello happy people=)
 
haha :)
 
Why is it so easy to make programming jokes with Jesus in it?
 
it's mostly "Jesus saves", don't know any jokes that use a different topic
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE I think it is because programmers are so similar to Jesus: When they do something with other people it's a miracle.
3
 
Anonymous
1:42 PM
Nah we're more like rich people
 
Anonymous
Everyone and everything is just another object
 
Anonymous
Like rich people in every way except for the rich part
 
@gahrae There's a significant difference there. That meta question's about answers that break the rules/spec of the challenge, but still attempt to solve it; the posts that I deleted were in blatant disregard of site-wide rules.
 
@Mego Only Haskellers are what Haskellers are.
 
Anonymous
1:56 PM
Apparently that's a thing
 
@Doorknob link to rules please
 
what is this post in discussion?
 
I definitely need a little help on clarifying this.
 
@Optimizer A, B, C (deleted, require 2k to view).
 
2:07 PM
srsly? you edoubt I dont have 2k?
 
@Doorknob Thanks, can you please reference which rule was broken
 
> Be a serious contender for the winning criteria in use. For example, an entry to a code golf contest needs to be golfed, and an entry to a speed contest should make some attempt to be fast.
Also, the rule that answers must be self-contained (i.e. not rely on external resources) is network-wide.
 
-1
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

VTCAKAVSMoACECode-Bowled Quines code-bowlingcops-and-robbers Wow, that is a terrible title. The Challenge: Write a Quine, in any language from this list, as long as you can... however, if a robber can find a solution using the same method that is shorter than yours, you lose points! For Example... In HQ...

 
ugh I can't find any static version of TIOBE index.
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE Robbers must use the described method of getting the quine sounds very open-ended and impossible to enforce objectively.
 
2:17 PM
Dose anyone have a suggestion to replace TIOBE index link in this
 
@Dennis Should I specify that Quines must be created in a specific way or that the robbers may use any method to print a Quine in the language that the Cops used?
 
Then it's a duplicate of the normal code golf quine question.
 
@Doorknob I believe that my solutions were serious as they solve the challenge provided. Can you please cite the rule about self-containment? On meta there are several posts that promote links to external resources. Also, does this warrant deletion? Could you not simply down vote?
 
@feersum The reason for me wishing to stick to the method-restricted form, but I don't know how to enforce that. Maybe with votes?
 
No, code-bowling never works.
 
2:22 PM
@feersum If you're fine with August's TIOBE (and clicking through a JavaScript error :/), you could use the Wayback Machine: web.archive.org/web/20150905075234/http://www.tiobe.com/… Newer snapshots seem to be broken for some reason.
 
@gahrae Please reread the quote that I posted: serious contender for the winning criteria in use. For example, an entry to a code golf contest needs to be golfed. Link-only answers are discouraged across all Stack Exchange sites because links can break, rendering the answer worthless (and for other reasons).
 
@Dennis Good find.
 
@Doorknob Okay. Thank you
 
Today is my dog's birthday
 
Happy Birthday, @TheDogtor!
3
 
2:29 PM
^
 
Anonymous
carrot.jpg
 
:P
So, since SPIN is a really good language for some code-golfing purposes, I'm hoping to use it more in the future
However, it's an embedded language (for the Propeller processor), so it's very difficult to test
So, soon, i'm going to try to write a website which compiles it, runs it on a propeller chip, and emails you the results
 
Anonymous
Sounds like you should get to work on making a web interpreter, chop-chop
 
Because i'm too lazy to write a web interpreter
 
Anonymous
Wouldn't making a propeller emulator be easier?
 
2:38 PM
idk, it's probably easier to run them on-chip
there are like 300 spin instructions, plus assembly support (not really good for golfing, but still)
 
Anonymous
The Propeller is completely open-source
 
soi'm thinking Flask server (code golf members will have their accounts linked to prevent spamming), using Celery and RabbitMQ for queueing/buffering, and then running the openSPIN compiler and using a small python script to watch serial data
 
Anonymous
An emulator shouldn't be horribly difficult, considering emulators have been made for proprietary chips
 
@Mego yes, but implementing such a thing is beyond me
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
2:44 PM
@TheDoctor I'll see how much trouble I can get into with it and let you know
 
this looks promising: github.com/parallaxinc/spinsim
 
Anonymous
Looks like the same thing
 
also this: sourceforge.net/projects/ppropellersim/?source=navbar but it looks more like a GUI
and then this one is windows-only: sourceforge.net/projects/gear-emu
but with a real chip, you have support for Serial, multiple cogs, and all the other hardware features that the debuggers haven't implemented
 
I think Proteus VSM has support for SPIN (could be wrong)
 
what's that?
@quartata It has a lot of PIC and AVR, but I don't see the propeller
 
2:53 PM
Kind of a BASIC Stamp/Arduino/a few others simulator. It is dreadfully expensive, though.
Oh hmm.
 
yeah... money == problem
 
I thought money == problem**0.5.
 
The demo is free and lets you run programs but you cannot make circuits I believe.
 
But if it doesnt have Propeller supprt then thats no good
@Dennis Why does CJam not start with stdin on the stack like golfscript?
 
3:10 PM
Russian hackers
 
0
Q: Adding leading zeros to a time string

AdriandmenFor this challenge, we are writing the time in the following form: hh:mm:ss Some examples: 12:34:08 06:05:30 23:59:00 The challenge is to output the time after an amount of hours, minutes and seconds have elapsed, with as starting time 00:00:00. You can compare this with a timer ...

 
@quartata Dennis didn't decide that :p
@TheDoctor is it a shiba?
yay, TIOBE also agrees java is no. 1!
 
Anonymous
 
@TheDoctor your dog, is it a shiba inu?
 
yes
 
4:06 PM
such apache, very ubuntu, wow
 
Do we have a challenge about syllogisms? I couldn't find any.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you mean like codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/61487/… ?
 
@aditsu Sort of, except applying more rules of syllogisms
I.e. with "not", "all are", "some are", "no(ne) are"
 
I'm not sure.. I think there was another similar challenge, but probably not with all those rules
 
Sweet. I'll start drafting it ^_^
 
4:14 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ah, check this out: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/35623/are-pigs-able-to-fly
 
@aditsu Argh! Thanks.
 
I think we need a tag
3
 
it can be done
 
Anonymous
we have the technology
 
4:20 PM
and the power
 
we just can't be bothered to actually do it :p
4
 
if you want me to...
 
someone should write a better wiki for it, i dont have time
 
Thank so much :D
 
4:28 PM
and i can edit it if someone writes a wiki but can't edit it
anyway, gtg
 
Anonymous
Bye Dogetor
 
tag wiki proposal: lyrics to this
 
> Logic questions are characterized by their rationality and pointy ears.
 
Is that tag even needed?
 
apparently
 
4:39 PM
Tag wiki for logic suggestion:
Sir Robert Bryson Hall II, known by his stage name Logic, is an American rapper. He was born and raised in Gaithersburg, Maryland.
 
@Vɪʜᴀɴ he's actually not bad
 

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