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3:00 PM
@yuggib Now category theory is interesting!
 
$(\in)$ for ZF/ZFC ; $(\in,V)$ for Bernays-Gödel
 
It also gets very crazy very quickly :P
 
Category theory
 
@ACuriousMind I prefer model theory, because it is more logic-oriented
 
That's on my list
 
3:01 PM
but also category theory is nice
 
@yuggib That I don't know anything about, and no one here does that afaik :/
 
I wonder if my book list is countable
 
Don't know anything about category theory, either
Except that one joke
 
@0celo7 Depends on whether you think "finite" things are countable. :P
 
@ACuriousMind :-D I do know only a little of it...
 
3:02 PM
"Functor? I hardly know 'er!"
 
@ACuriousMind the joke is that it's not finite
We are on the verge of a book list asymptote
 
@Slereah Here's a better one:
Feb 7 at 20:55, by Qmechanic
Apropos Yoneda's Lemma and unease with susy names, I'm reminded of this MO joke answer and comments below it: cocoa=a and coconut=nut :)
 
eheheh
 
Apropos is such a German thing
Is Qmechanic German?
 
lots of germs involved
Heisenberg
Einstein
Schrodinger
 
3:04 PM
(The whole MO thread is great, btw)
 
(Well part of the GREAT GERMANY I uess)
We're counting the wieners and the swiss
 
> Q: What do you get when you cross a chicken with an elephant?
A: The trivial elephant bundle on a chicken.
 
:D
 
@Slereah they would not be so happy about the term great germany over there...
At least I am afraid
 
No, we aren't.
 
3:06 PM
People don't mention a lot that Heisenberg was the head of the nazi nuclear program
it's a lil weird
 
Germans are so anti patriotic
 
Well, people also don't open every discussion about Feynman with that
 
Was he the head of the nazi nuclear program? :O
 
(although he wasn't the "head", I guess)
 
Feynman you got some splainin to do
 
3:07 PM
I can see Feynman as a mafia boss
 
@Slereah lol, not of the nazi nuclear program
 
Feynman was pretty far from the head of the US nuclear program
 
They don't call it "Feynman slash" for nothing
 
IIRC he mostly worked with the mechanical calculators
 
Who was the head?
 
3:08 PM
Oppenheimer
 
Feynman was pretty young during that time
 
Ah, "I am become death, destroyer of worlds". Chill dude
 
Well he is probably one of the few people who can say it seriously
 
@0celo7 Not a bad thing
 
Did Feynman even have a PhD back then?
IIRC he got it around that time
 
3:09 PM
> qwhine, n. self-recrimination
 
The Principle of Least Action in Quantum Mechanics (1942)
Barely
He was just a graduate
 
> Coeschatology: the study of the beginning of times. The coend is ming!
I can't breathe
 
Prof: "Give an example of a vector space."

Student: "V"
heheh
 
Lmao
 
@Slereah It's the only example there is!
 
3:11 PM
I liked the "efficient corings"
 
> The primary reason Bourbaki stopped writing books was the realization that Lang was one single person.
Not even sure that's a joke :P
> Why did the mathematician name his dog "Cauchy"? Because he left a residue at every pole.
Ok, I'll stop now
 
"Take a positive integer N. No wait, N is too big; take a positive integer k."
snort
 
@ACuriousMind If you're really not sure---it was :P
 
@Danu I was joking not to be sure if that's a joke
Please do not recurse
 
One joke I did once was that, on the esoteric programming language wiki
 
3:15 PM
@ACuriousMind Damn you Germans
 
I created a page for recursion
And it was a redirection to the page for recursion
Mathematician1: So why did you become a mathematician?

Mathematician2: I don't like working with numbers.
:D
 
@Danu Hmm?
> Q: What kind of maps should you take with you on car trips?
A: Automorphisms.
I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out how automorphisms were supposed to be useful on car trips. After all, it doesn't really help to show that the landscape outside your window is non-trivially equivalent to itself; what you're really interested in is showing that it's equivalent to some smaller object you have within your vehicle. Then I realized it's a pun. — Tanner Swett Jan 12 '11 at 13:05
 
@0celo7 I don't understand this.
 
@ACuriousMind Preventing recursion :(
 
@Danu What's German about that?
 
3:22 PM
@ACuriousMind Preventing fun from occurring
@DanielSank Local constructions are for the plebs! You, as our proud, soul-less quantum expert, must know this ;)
 
@Danu Can't argue with that, I suppose
Mar 25 at 1:34, by ACuriousMind
In the spirit of: "How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb? One. We're efficient and don't have a sense of humor."
 
@Danu I mean I don't understand why that was a reply to me.
 
My favorite lightbulb joke is a meta observation about it
 
@DanielSank ...ah
 
@DanielSank I think he didn't understand at all what you meant by "You want a cookie"
 
3:24 PM
It states that if the answer is "Only one, he just waits for the world to revolve around him", that will only accomplish half of the required process to chane a lightbulb
 
@ACuriousMind Indeed not, but how did he get from there to coordinates?
 
Aug 2 at 20:32, by Slereah
My favorite lightbulb joke is a meta lightbulb joke
We are acting out the past!
 
I do love that joke!
 
@DanielSank Hm...I think he denied wanting a cookie and then stated what else he wanted.
 
@ACuriousMind That is so odd.
 
3:26 PM
Not denying that :P
 
@ACuriousMind He must have thought I were some form of djinni offering up a wish.
 
I wish for infinite wishes
 
I found this to a be a really nice meta joke (also from the MO thread):
 
3:28 PM
Oooh, a counter-comic!
 
> I went to visit him while he was lying ill at the hospital. I had come in taxi cab number 14 and remarked that it was a rather dull number. "No" he replied, "it is a very interesting number. It's the smallest number expressible as the product of 7 and 2 in two different ways."
 
also this is me : explosm.net/comics/3155
 
@Slereah Unfortunately for you, I am not the retarded form of fairy-tale djinni which, for some insane reason, feels compelled to follow the letter of my spoken offer to the fullest extent imaginable by you.
 
Man
you don't even know
How often I just THINK about djinn wishes
That and time travel
I know how to deal with that shit
Send me the djinns
 
@Slereah At your (limited) service.
 
3:31 PM
But I cast wish and not limited wish!
(That's a D&D reference, for those who can't tell :P)
 
Wasn't there a D&D enemy that could only be killed by a wish
Like insanely powerful
 
However, in my capacity as djinn I demand certain compensations. In particular, I require that you sap the mana energy from one island-type property under your control and at least one other property of your choosing, and direct that energy for my personal consumption. Failure to do this will result in me passing to the service of a new human. See here for details.
 
@Slereah The Tarrasque
(See this)
SE is great
 
Bawk :V
 
@DanielSank I gather you like Magic?
 
3:34 PM
 
@ACuriousMind I find it amusing, yes.
 
That's not the first reference you make to it
 
Zack: To be clear: before a will-o-wisp turns into a ball of energy it is a shape changer that poses as the creepy naked guy who follows you around trying to sell your girlfriend a friendship bracelet at Burning Man.

Steve: Hairy butt man is just one of many forms. He could be a goblin or a kobold or even a man with no hair at all.

Zack: That guy was at Burning Man too.
heheheh
 
I am far more entertained by designing my own rather than buying them from Hasbro ;-)
 
Am I the only one who doesn't fit the nerd-stereotype over here? ;)
 
3:36 PM
you guys play the paper D&D?
 
Nah
I just know a lot about it :p
 
@Danu You're joking, right?
 
@Shing I don't play D&D, but I do play pen and paper RPGs regularly
 
He looks so nice
Ah, the worst DnD monster design
 
@DanielSank never
 
3:38 PM
possibly along with
 
@ACuriousMind nice, I used to play pen and paper D&D, but it is hard to get enough people in my town
 
BOO
 
You play "the dark eye"?
 
@Slereah those red circles make it funny
 
@Shing Yes, that and Fate (well, a German Fate variant), mainly
 
3:39 PM
That is what happens when you have to fill an entire book with new monsters
 
@Slereah So do you play computer role play game?
 
I do
 
Also, I've an Ars Magica group, but we've only met once so far
@Slereah You know Order of the Stick? The Flumphs are a running gag there
 
I do not
 
It's an affectionate homage/parody of D&D
 
3:41 PM
I am aware of it, yes
 
And it actually gains quite an intelligent plot later on
 
Best computer RPG, btw
Planescape Torment
 
I can agree with that
@Danu Get outta here, jock :P
 
neeeeerd
 
@ACuriousMind I'm a total bro. Wanna do some kegstands with me at that epic frat party on Friday?
 
3:46 PM
I think they are making a new Planescape Torment, something like pillar of eternity to baldur's gate
 
Not exactly
 
Danu is more frat than the frat guys at my school
 
The same team that made it is making a new RPG
But it's not a DnD game
 
@Shing You're thinking of Tides of Numenara
 
Because DnD intellectual property is a clusterfuck
 
3:48 PM
I'm very interested how that turns out. I liked Pillars, but it lacked a certain...feel the old D&D games had
 
yeah, it looks promising, but personally I never play Planescape Torment before\
 
you should
pro tip : invest heavily in wisdom and charisma
 
@Slereah Well, there is "Legends of the Sword Coast" coming out
 
ha okay, I will keep that in mind
 
It's more like Icewind Dale or Temple of Elemental Evil than BG or Torment, though
 
3:48 PM
@DanielSank I don't understand what's not to understand.
 
It is possible to win the game by killing almost nobody
Pretty rare in games
 
and now the chat has been overtaken by nerds
 
lol
 
I almost played through Deus Ex:HR without killing anybody. Then I crushed someone with a refrigerator.
 
@0celo7 You are aware this is a physics chat, yes?
 
3:50 PM
It is a common curse of RPGs
 
@DanielSank TIL...
physicists don't have to be nerds
I bet Witten does not play RPGs
 
You start out in some setting where it is good to invest heavily in intellectual skills
 
@0celo7 No, but it's more fun
 
Then suddenly
Last levels
 
I do think I'm pretty far from the usual nerd-stereotype outside my super-intense all-pervading interests in physics and mathematics :P
 
3:50 PM
And it's ALL COMBAT
 
@0celo7 Does "nerd" mean "person who is very passionate about a hobby which is not particularly popular in mainstream culture"?
 
Vampire the Masquerade was pretty bad at this
 
yesterday, by Danu
@0celo7 I'm pretty fat ^^
 
Nerd is like obscenity
 
@0celo7 lololol
 
3:51 PM
you know it when you see it
 
@Slereah Unsatisfactory.
 
@0celo7 Lelelelel :) That was more of a joke though---I don't think anyone would characterize me as such :P
 
@Slereah I recall reading that it's often due to release dates coming up and it's faster to fill levels with enemies than with stories
 
probably yeah
 
In fact, some of you have looked me up before---judge for yourselves ;)
 
3:52 PM
@DanielSank no nerd means you play DnD
 
It is sometimes called the Shinfles
 
@Danu I'm no creep
 
Shitty final level syndrome
 
@0celo7 But then I'd not be a nerd, which seems wrong.
 
Actually
 
3:52 PM
@0celo7 My experience with your persistent pursuit of certain users of this chat says differently ;)
 
Planescape Torment kinda has that
 
@Slereah Yes, it has.
 
The part in Carceri and the other evil plane are a bit of a jarring change
 
@Danu I plead the 5th, I have no clue what you are talking about
(I'm actually not a creep)
 
@0celo7 I can talk for you ;)
 
3:53 PM
The 5th what?
Edition of D&D?
 
amendment
 
@ACuriousMind your German is showing
 
it's a saying
 
@ACuriousMind lol
Also it's something you know if you're into hip hop :P
 
3:54 PM
but hip hop is mysoginsitic and for 12 year olds
 
So is DnD
 
That's quite narrow-minded :P
 
@Slereah I don't think 12 year olds can understand how to build a minmaxed 3.5 character
 
They do not need to
You just play a barbarian cuz he has the most muscles
 
Nah, you play a wizard because he has teh most brains
 
3:57 PM
You play F.A.T.A.L. because it has the most wieners
 
I have now decided that, if I am ever to give a course or series of lectures, I'll show up early for the first one and write a joke on the board, then leave again and come back at the time the lecture is supposed to start, to get my student to relax a bit :)
 
Be careful
Nothing can be worse than the wacky professor
 
I disagree
 
@Danu What joke do you have in mind? :)
 
@Shing Things like what one finds in the MO thread we were just talking about:
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Q: Do good math jokes exist?

RandomblueHave a good joke? Share. I know this is subjective, but the principle "should be of interest to mathematicians" trumps. (I hope.)

 
4:00 PM
6 PM
Time to go home
 
@ACuriousMind I don't think I can understand that
 
@Danu I still remember random quotes from my mechanics prof: "You can't leave the cheese!" or "Imagine a ball, or a banana, or - ah I have it - a porcupine flying through space!"
 
@ACuriousMind I've started documenting some of the more memorable quotes/stories recently
 
@Danu I thought you said you'd be an asshole prof
You're certainly practicing on me
 
@0celo7 First, I lure them into liking me
@0celo7 I've said this before: Stop taking me so seriously
 
4:04 PM
You did that to me!
 
^lel
 
Our first convo was about shitty notation in Weinberg IIRC
Then you probably told me I was an idiot or something
 
I don't really know why you attach any (emotional) value to what I say
 
I'm recounting the facts here
 
@0celo7 And I've also said this before: I don't actually think you're an idiot, stupid, lame, boring, annoying or whatever.
 
4:05 PM
I know you don't!
On an unrelated note
 
@0celo7 I also insult Daniel at any opportunity
 
there are 15,000 bricks in the new engineering quad
@Danu "also"
So you do admit to insulting me
 
@0celo7 Yes, I also insult you! Jokingly
If you want me to stop that, just say so right now
 
why are you dragging this out
I am trying to steer the conversation towards bricks here
 
Because I don't understand whether you're genuinely upset about the way I talk to you or not
If you are, I'll stop it!
 
4:07 PM
Conversations are the only thing you should ever steer towards bricks.
 
yes, bricks
let's talk about bricks
 
No, seriously, let's just resolve this right now.
I don't wanna keep on hurting your feelings, if that's what I'm doing!
 
You're not
The only thing in recent memory that has genuinely upset me is analysis
 
Thanks :) You idiot ;)
 
And leaving Einstein behind
I really miss my keetty
 
4:10 PM
How far away from "home" are you?
 
500 miles
about 8 hours drive
and "my" car is at home, so it would be a 16 hour round trip for someone to get me
@Danu that's 800km btw
 
@0celo7 I know the conversion factors---I spent quite a bit of time in the US.
 
@Danu well excuse me
I spent 7 years in Germany but I had to Google that conversion :/
 
@0celo7 'Muricans :P
 
@Danu no joke, when I came back to America and saw people texting, that was my exact thought
 
4:51 PM
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Q: Is the private part present on every profile?

AniketIn my profile page, there is a section below "bio","visit","stats" named "private". This part contains 2 things: Real name My Email For other users, I find that there is no such private when I view their profiles. So mainly for privacy, I tried to erase my real name and also my email via "edi...

 
Visser still did not answer me
This is James Allen all over again
(I once sent a funny picture to famed egyptologist James Allen and he never answered me)
 
5:03 PM
When I emailed 't Hooft, he took a week to get back to me.
 
5:40 PM
29
Q: What is the point of a lecture when you have a textbook?

Joshua BenabouI never really understood the point of having a course with lectures when the course has a textbook. Sometimes the subject is so high-level or specialized or so modern that the contents are changing rapidly that there is no textbook (for example at the graduate level). But more often the textbook...

we discussed this a while back, didn't we?
 
 
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7:24 PM
Boo on the daily rep cap.
@Danu That's not always other people's duty. If you find a pattern wherein your behavior antagonizes others you are the common factor.
I sympathize with what you say to @0celo7 but because of this I also recognize the other side.
@Danu Yeah, well, that's 'cuz you're a jerk <3
 
user54412
@Danu I really want to know the answer to this. I've seen the outlines of convincing arguments from the minority, but no hard facts on either side.
 
@ChrisWhite What's uncountable choice?
 
-3
Q: Electricity from vacuum

user90854Can I generate electricity in complete vacuum without using any conventional sources? Using Casimir theory, according to him, he kept two plates nanometers apart in a vacuum. According to the law of conservation of energy, energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. But in this case curren...

possibly off topic?
 
@DavidZ I'd say it's definitely unclear what's being asked and I voted to close for that reason.
I find "off-topic" a less useful close reason because it gives the poster less useful feedback about how to improve.
 
user54412
@DanielSank The full axiom of choice: for any collection of sets there exists a choice function (something that selects an element from each set).
 
7:31 PM
@DanielSank yeah, I really just meant to bring attention to it
 
user54412
You can get a lot done with just countable choice -- the axiom that this works for countable collections.
 
user54412
@DanielSank One of the issues is uncountable choice, but not countable choice, allows you to define unmeasurable subsets of $\mathbb{R}$.
 
How come most questions have 0 1 2 or 3 votes but the one DanielSank answered has 32?
 
@JohnDuffield Because humans.
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@JohnDuffield I can give you some guesses:
 
Did it appear on some "hot" list that gets lots of attention?
 
7:43 PM
@JohnDuffield First of all, the question is very easy to understand. It's written clearly and even has a clear, relevant diagram.
It's also a "paradox" type question. People love that sort of thing.
The question can be understood by anyone from a high school level upwards, meaning that many readers could comprehend and vote on the question. This is not the case with most of the questions on the site.
It's possible that having a well written answer also helped the question get votes. My own experience is that if I read a question I don't understand I tend to not vote up or down. However, if I understand the question I'm more likely to vote. Having a good answer helps understand the original question.
This is all speculation, of course.
@JohnDuffield My best guess is that it got upvotes because it's written well.
 
@Danu yeah, we did, I think it really depends. Purcell's electricity and magnetism taught me more things than anything else. On the other hand, I also had quite an impressive intellectual gains in attending some talks as well as some online course ware. If the kind of lecture is about discussion, students prepared at their home, and come to class to discuss, probe deeper into nature, then surely it will be great.
Speaking of evidence, I found it would be difficult, Mostly I observed myself during process of learning.
and did some little experiments and see which ways works better. The results were quite surpising,
and I believe there is a divergence among people.
though there are patterns work for everyone probably.
@ChrisWhite
I mean diversity among people. sorry for my lousy english
 
@DanielSank : if it had been fresh question, I wouldn't have answered it. IMHO it starts off as a glorified refrigerator, then degenerates into some guy pushing some over-unity idea. Maybe it attracted a lot of attention because hyperlinks to it appeared on a couple of other websites?
 
@JohnDuffield What do you mean "if it had been a fresh question, I wouldn't have answered it"?
You didn't answer it.
@JohnDuffield Your language is rather disparaging. "glorified refrigerator" and "degenerates into..." are usually construed as indications of scorn toward the question in question and its author.
Something to keep in mind, perhaps.
 
8:00 PM
@DanielSank : I'm more inclined to answer a newer question than an older one. Especially if the question owner has flagged one answer as the best. As for disparaging, I was just telling you my thoughts as I read the question. It's cold inside my refrigerator, and warm round the back.
 
@JohnDuffield Surely you can see how someone unfamiliar with Johnson noise would be perplexed by the gedankenapparatus described in that question, yes?
Also, I'm now even more confused by your comment about the freshness of the question. You said
> "If it had been a fresh question I wouldn't have answered it."
1) It was a fresh question. It's 17 hours old.
2) You did not answer it.
3) Your statement "...I wouldn't have answered it" suggests that you did in fact answer it, which you did not.
I'm really confused, but that's probably because it's hard to convey subjunctive and conditional statements over the internet.
 
@DanielSank : sorry, no, I don't see how anybody would be perplexed by the heat pump scenario. As for what I said about answering the question, you just missed some nuance, that's all. Like I wouldn't have felt motivated to try to answer it.
 
8:23 PM
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Q: Can we make the appearance of the display name of any user an individual preference option for each viewer?

user12262In this recent question (and following comments) the problem is identified that "some in the community are bugged [or] annoyed by" the particular appearance or choice of display names of some users Indeed, for any particular alphanumeric string there may some reason be found for it being im...

 
8:49 PM
@JohnDuffield "sorry, no, I don't see how anybody would be perplexed by the heat pump scenario." Respectfully, then you've forgotten what it's like to not be an expert :-)
 
9:19 PM
I do love answering questions everyone say is stupid~
Gotta show my knowledge of weird papers
 
 
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10:27 PM
@DanielSank This is an extremely interesting debate, in my opinion. I've had it many times :P
However, I find that I'm still "on the right side" of the line, based on "historical evidence" :P
@ChrisWhite Me too :\
@DanielSank Maybe a tad pedantic, but I think the first sentence of this answer is totally superfluous. I suggest editing it out.
@DanielSank Yeah, and the real answer is that it appeared on the HNQ list.
How it did that is not completely clear (I think the algorithm is not public), but to me it seems to be about 75% luck, 25% the stuff you describe
 
10:44 PM
@Danu Yeah, I agree. I almost didn't put it there, but I thought I'd allow myself a rare "superfluousity" since I almost never do that on this site.
I moved the platitude to the end as a P.S.
@Danu It is important to note that even if you're right in the sense that we'd all be better off doing things your way, you can't expect to effect change if you put everyone off.
In order to get everyone to do something right, you have to first adjust your communication system such that information can be exchanged. In other words, you have to change first in order to help others change themselves.
 
11:00 PM
@DanielSank Fair point; and trust me that I've thought long and hard about this issue
 
11:27 PM
@Danu I trust that you've thought long and hard about this issue.
I thought about it for about 20 years before I realized that being right doesn't mean things get better.
Better said: exhibiting a behavior which you want others to exhibit does not mean they will exhibit it.
 
11:39 PM
@DanielSank I haven't even been around for that long.
 

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