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4:59 AM
@PH13 Yeah.
5:50 AM
So tempted to answer with "yes" chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/35001/…
@chipbuster I don't even know if they really know what an isomer is.
the questioner confuses me
It's like saying C6H12 turned to C6H12. Is it a chemical or physical change?
sometimes asks some quite decent questions
sometimes they're a total mess
Correction: They're a total mess, unless proven otherwise.
Q: Why Can't Carbon Have Tetrabonds?

PhyCSxCarbon has 4 valence electrons, so it means that it can have a total of four (covalent) bonds, right? (Tell me if I'm wrong) IF that's the case why can't Carbon share four bonds, such as with another Carbon atom? $\text{C}_2$ I have recently learned of the Uncertainty Principle, and the orientat...

Just look at how much fluff I edited outta that.
AND, they're Indian, which makes matters worse.
5:55 AM
ah yes
and it always bugs me when people BOLD ITALICIZE CAPS THAT THIS IS NOT A DUPLICATE
yelling something doesn't make it true
Q: Formation of esters. Which way is better?

lucy GEsters can be formed by 02 ways,( there can be more than 02 ways,but according to the syllabus I'm studying,it is just 02) Mixing alcohol with carboxylic acid in the presence of sulfuric acid Mixing alcohol with acid chloride. My question is which method is better to form an ester?I mean which...

I...have never seen that before
I mean, I have, in auto-formatted texts
but never when a human is writing like that
oh, high school student
Must be. We're taught to be robots.
6:04 AM
robots eh?
I was taught to be a zombie
I wonder if there are any ninja/pirate schools of chemistry out there
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10:03 AM
and need some work. If you have the time, please help out a little. More info on meta.chem.se.
Q: Should we not use MathJax in Tag Wiki excerpts?

Martin - マーチンWhile going though the new tags, I spotted, that the esters was created, which eventually brought me back to the endeavour of tagging functional groups in general. (Should we create tags for common functional groups?) While I was editing a couple of questions, to include nitro-compounds, I noti...

2 hours later…
12:14 PM
Can someone help me with my chemistry project? I have to write about "the acidity of fruits and vegetables" but I am not getting any idea about what to write in the introduction
write everything first and as the last thing, write the introduction
and never, ever start with "Once upon a time..."
would be funny
it was, but my supervisor was not amused
@PH13 thanks, ok I will write the intro after everything. What should I write after the intro section?
12:20 PM
@Kartik I don't know ... make an approximate list of contents, arrange them logically and then try to write your text :)
but at first, write what you think is important. don't think too much about every sentence, write it. after that you can always change things and rearrange things.
@Kartik make a table like this (in German)
@PH13 Can you just tell me the name of the sections ... I will be able to write the text myself.
@Kartik how should I know how your sections are named?
@Loong Thanks for the table. But actually I am finding problems in finding content for the text
@PH13 I have not yet started the project. I am just asking you to suggest some sections
@Loong you will soon get an Enlightened badge and you're welcome ;)
12:23 PM
ask google, ask wikipedia and find stuff that is related to the acidity fruit and vegetable
then think of what could be interesting or important to know about it
@Kartik that is part of your work - you need to decide what sections would be relevant - research first and then work out the sections
I will not do this for you, as no one else would probably do that here
@PH13 I have already done that but google doesnt give me anything related to chemistry
search harder
Ok then I will try to do it.
12:25 PM
@Kartik my google tells me another story
@PH13 What did you search for?
my google tells me another story too, probably has been conferring with PH13's google
@santiago Thank you! That explains why I suddenly feel so enlightened. :-)
12:26 PM
@Loong great answer!
anyway good people, I must go to bed and dream of weird and wondrous things
@santiago That is just copy/paste from the Blue Book.
@Loong but it is a good copy/paste!
@santiago vampires and badges?
@Loong yes, and badges wearing vampires....oh wait...
homework vampires
12:30 PM
@santiago asked 100 homework questions without getting any answer
@Loong lol and me taunting with comments
anyways, I am going to bed
@santiago good night
12:46 PM
@Kartik maybe this is a little helpful
@PH13 Thanks a lot.
I have found out some sites and started writing the content.
sounds good
@PH13 Right now this is my table of contents: 1. Intro 2. Definition of acid (Arrhenius and Bronsted) 3. Various methods for checking for the presence of acids (Taste, ph paper, etc.) 4. Types of acids present in fruits 5. Types of acids in vegetables 6. Comparision of acidity of fruits vs vegetables 7. Uses and dangers of these acids 8. Closure
Is it fine?
sounds good
what do you think should the 7. Uses and dangers of these acids section be about?
@PH13 Like what kind of diseases these may cause and how they are useful like salicylic acid can be used to make medicines but some other acid may be harmful
12:59 PM
in which fruits or vegetables do you find salicylic acid? I think that sth like oxalic acid is a better point
@PH13 Ok, I will search for that also
1:15 PM
For fruits citric and ascorbic acids are rather more important ;)
when you get kidney stones, think again of oxalic acid
1:30 PM
do me a favor and tell me if the symbol for Angstrom renders on your respective browsers - see chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/35014/…
and hello @PH13, @Kartik, @Mithoron
@ToddMinehardt Hi
hi @Kartik, how's it going?
hi @ToddMinehardt
hey @PH13
1:32 PM
@ToddMinehardt unicode is a nice workaround
don't get, why there is no \AA
@ToddMinehardt Its looking fine but the circle is a little small
(On chrome)
@PH13 i know, that drives me nuts
@Kartik - ok, better than nothing
FYI, it's $\unicode{xC5}$ to get that character
I saw it after clicking on edit :D
alternatively, you can go with x212B
or $\overset{\circ}{\rm A}$, but that will render depending on a person's locale, so i think the unicode way is probably best for a worldwide audience
1:36 PM
@ToddMinehardt they are slightly different :D
@ToddMinehardt I think that the unicode one will vary more
@PH13 - yeah, i know. be nice if \AA worked...
@ToddMinehardt I'd love to have that ...
it's an open issue with MathJax, apparently - that's where i got the unicode solution
@Kartik - is the unicode glyph dependent on your locale? i suppose it is...
@ToddMinehardt What is locale?
1:40 PM
more or less what your browser settings say your default languages/fonts are
so it might not be UTF-8, and could be Cyrillic, or something like that
you can set how your browser gets stuff from the server that sends the page to you -
obviously, depending on your native language/alphabet/etc., this will vary
for me, it's en, en-gb (english, then english-great britain). for @PH13, it might be de, en-gb (german, english-great britain). and so on.
@ToddMinehardt might be ... where do I find this? ^^
should be [de]
typically buried in the settings somewhere
right, [de]
i use Chrome, and use UTF-8 under the Encoding tab
(that said, that's a character set encoding and not locale)
@PH13 on Chrome, in Settings, it's under Language and Input Settings
@ToddMinehardt I think I found it and it is [de]:)
1:52 PM
2:23 PM
By the way, I am aware that the ångström is still widely used by crystallographers; however, I would prefer to use proper SI units. The use of the ångström as the spectroscopic unit of length was abandoned by the BIPM in 1960.
2:34 PM
@Loong I think not only by crystallographers but also by the comp chem community
@ToddMinehardt don't hide
@PH13 That’s understandable, since chemical bond lengths lie in the range of a few ångströms.
@Loong it's also always good to be backward compatible
@PH13 Sure, don’t get me wrong: Certainly, you should be able to understand and to work with ‘ångström’.
2:54 PM
present :)
hi @Loong
i see there's a unit discussion
@ToddMinehardt would you mind help me with python stuff?
@ToddMinehardt hi
the fafoom thing? or other?
@ToddMinehardt yes, I want to add another wrapper to use it with orca
(sure @PH13 if i can)
2:56 PM
I will open a chatroom for this
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4:52 PM
\o @chip
how's it going?
Just came back from physics class and biking.
. . . and looking for drama. Hey @Chip where were you from again?
tricky question
did my undergraduate in California
going to grad school in Texas this fall
@PH13 Which one's you?
4:54 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M the one in the background
@ToddMinehardt My biggest remorse is that \rule doesn't work. :(((
so forget "suspiciously similar", this question is a blatant copy-pasta
@PH13 I thought you were the beautiful girl base that the protagonist is gonna win.
4:56 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M only in your dreams
oh, and congratz on yearling, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@chipbuster We're not detectives . . . yet. Just flag as dupe drama-lover.
Looks at the star board Bah, @Martin and his tag dust-ups.
5:11 PM
hiya @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
agreed re
@chipbuster - where in texas?
he said above he's going to grad school in Texas this fall - am wondering if it's my alma mater, UT-Austin
funny @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M :)
congrats on the yearling, @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M, hadn't see that
5:39 PM
@ToddMinehardt Hah! Are you on mobile?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M which app do you use for chatting here?
@PH13 Chrome
AKA I hardly chat on mobile.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ok ... I searched for an app in the app store
@PH13 Support the devs and install it!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I've done that ^^ but I was wondering if you might have found a better one
5:49 PM
Better than the official app is the full site.
the SE-app does not support chat, afaik
I use ChatSEy
Who's that?
that the app
for the chat
I hate anything SE on mobile.
better than nothing
I'm Enlightened! :D
5:56 PM
But I'm double-enlightened. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
:O u sooooo strong
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - i'm on a regular browser (workstation) not mobile
So why didn't you edit your message?
easier to take the low road :)
Yes @Todd.
Hover over a chat message, a down-arrow appears.
Click it.
6:04 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M - thanks!
No problem.
SE stuff is really confusing, because other than very basic functions of the site, there are no FAQs.
yes, it's a pretty steep learning curve in that regard
So when you're a more established user than a passer-by, it's either that you ask someone how to do something, or you just have no idea about it.
6:25 PM
@ToddMinehardt Yep, UT :D
@Todd you need to freak out now.
hey cool - i was there from 1991-1999 (and still live here/work here)
any idea who you'll work for?
ha @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
I'm actually in the computer science department
hopefully doing comp bio work
statistical methods on proteins
ah, ok - nice. great program there...
hope it'll be fun
6:29 PM
It's always proteins. Famous last words
well, "fun"
i got into proteins after grad school - seemed fun to me
i imagine the field has progressed greatly since i've been in it
7:29 PM
@bon Your tag wiki only describes carboxylate esters. I think includes more than that.
And look at me, having that tab open for two hours, and procrastinating making a wiki.
7:54 PM
May Periodic Table Enjoy this comic.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M this is great
@Loong Does it? I think there may need to be a meta discussion about this. I hadn't considered other types of esters
8:08 PM
hmmm almost at 4k
@bon Don't get me wrong; I clicked "approve".
@Loong Someone can always improve it to add other types of esters. I'm gonna make a meta post to sort out the scope of the tag
8:20 PM
@bon Maybe we can borrow something from goldbook.iupac.org/E02219.html
@santiago If we were a beta, I would've said damn you!, but since we're not in beta, congrats!
@bon But first we need another user with 5000 rep to accept your work.
@bon Sigh if only more users joined chat.
Maybe it's cursed.
Thy nerd says chat? I no use chat! and doesn't know he misses the company of me.
Q: Scope of esters tag

bonSince esters has now been created I set about writing a tag wiki for it. I have only included carboxylate esters in the scope of the tag but @Loong pointed out that there are other types of esters (orthoesters as well as many inorganic ones - phosphate, chromate to name a few) as well. Should the...

8:35 PM
@Loong I think we should prioritise highly upvoted questions for ester/amine retags first to avoid cluttering up the front page
@Bon meta questions should be standalone. Be informative. ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Sorry I forgot to include a link to the main question
No problem! Writing a good meta post is an art not many people achieve. ಠ_ಠ :P ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M y u no ಠ_ಠ more often?! ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M How do you make a poll?
8:39 PM
@bon Wait for it . . .
Also what happened to your big meta post I heard about
@bon OK. Good point. I was looking for clear cases of "esters questions" – not just questions that mention the word "ester" somewhere.
8:56 PM
@Bon I added more confusion and the poll you wanted.
@PH13 ಠ_ಠ
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M :D
@PH13 ಠ_ಠ
So there goes your poll @Bon. Now everyone (aka @PH13 @Loong @Bon @Todd @San @Nicolau) in chat, please vote up the poll that you see fit.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I didn't notice about that nitroglycerin question. Technically it isn't a nitro compound so it shouldn't have the tag but we're getting into messy territory now
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M the scope of esters stuff?
@bon I wanna confuse @Martin.
9:00 PM
Q: Scope of esters tag

bonTL;DR As a continuation to efforts of setting the functional tags right (see here for background and more info) we need to gather community consensus on what the scope of esters should be. Since esters has now been created I set about writing a tag wiki for it. I have only included carboxylate...

^ This is the poll
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M do u ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) or (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ when I vote both up? :D
I'll lynch you.
On a serious note, voting is your right @PH13. You can downvote them if you want.
as always ... downvote question, upvote answer
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
ding ding ding
9:09 PM
A few notes on the poll: 1) Please do edit to add more pros and cons as you think of more. It will make the decision easier. 2) Please use the answers' comment section for further discussion on the matter. Final results will be posted as a new answer. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 13 secs ago
Hmm, I was thinking of something and I forgot it.
Q: Resources for doing/learning Chemistry

PH13Recently I saw a post in the german stackexchange, that was about Resources for learning German. And then I asked myself, if it could be possible to make such a post for chemistry, too -- either in meta or on the main site. But I thought of not only writing about resources for learning chemistry...

9:34 PM
Guys /me zzz. Let's home we get some good input on da poll.

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