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curiousdannii

1:55 AM

@El'endiaStarman These kinds of claims are usually made about the Pirahã

Which is sometimes said to not even have the numbers one and two

But as always, other linguists disagree. See this article starting page 24

Mr. Bultitude

2:53 AM

The date went well. Please pray that I keep things appropriately slow. (And that I haven't blown that already.)

That's vague. Gimme a little time to collect my thoughts. Like, a day.

El'endia Starman

3:35 AM

@Mr.Bultitude [thumbs up]

El'endia Starman

4:06 AM

New blog post! It's of a rather different kind than posts I've written before...A Prophetic Word of Warning and Encouragement

Paul Vargas

6:33 AM

@El'endiaStarman Can I ask you something? — What do you think about cessationism?

Please forgive my boldness.

El'endia Starman

7:00 AM

@PaulVargas I think that spiritual gifts have indeed continued. So I am not a cessationist.

But that should have been obvious from my post...

Paul Vargas

2:37 PM

@El'endiaStarman I'm sorry. I read only a fragment.

Paul Vargas

5:31 PM

Lauren Daigle - How Can It Be (Lyric Video)

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^^^ Another video of Christian Contemporary Music.

TRiG

6:53 PM

Some time years ago, I created an account on a website called Christian Forums. I don't recall doing this (it may, perhaps, have been part of the CARM exodus, because of their absurd moderation policies). I really don't remember anything about the website, but I occasionally get e-mails from them. So today I reset my password and logged in.

Yowzers!

So, I've hit the unsubscribe link on their e-mails. I think I'll try to forget about them now.

> I believe that these predictions will happen as described.

Why?

Jon Ericson

@TRiG Takes a morbid turn at the end there. Oof.

Paul Vargas

7:12 PM

@TRiG Hey, Timothy. How did you get that picture? The image of the entire web page.

TRiG

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A: How can I take a screenshot of a whole web page?

On recent versions of Firefox, there is no need for any plugins. This capability is built into the browser. In Firefox, use Shift+F2 to open the in-browser CLI. This is a command-line interface at the bottom of the browser window which lets you do all kinds of awesome stuff. (I find the restart...

Paul Vargas

@TRiG Thanks a lot. It's great. I have Firefox installed on my computer. I will try. :)

TRiG

@PaulVargas You're welcome.

Bruce Alderman

@El'endiaStarman Pardon my skepticism, but I'm wondering in what sense the pastor's predictions could be considered a prophecy. Maybe I'm missing the context, but I'm not seeing anything in his message (the part you shared, at least) that connects any of these events with God's activity in the world. And if it's not about God, it's not really a prophecy in the Judeo/Christian sense of the word.

LCIII

7:33 PM

@El'endiaStarman When did your pastor say these things would happen?

Also, for curiosity's sake, what do you plan on doing in case these events don't take place?

fredsbend

7:49 PM

Anybody believe in this kind of thing:

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Q: how to cast out a demon, spirit that has attached to a women

A dear friend and her husband are dealing with a demon in their home. I am a born again Christian. I went to visit and felt the presence of this spirit all over me. When I told her about what I felt she asked how I knew, because they hadn't told anyone about it. My friend says the spirit is of he...

demons

El'endia Starman

8:59 PM

@LCIII Economic collapse in September/October, earthquakes are not known for sure but maybe also in September/October.

@BruceAlderman I left out the bits of his sermon where he talked about nominal Christians falling away but many nonbelievers would flock to churches, though I did sorta mention that at the end. What does "prophecy" mean to you? That'll help me answer your question better.

@fredsbend I suppose I do. Why do you ask?

@TRiG I trust that my pastor actually does hear from God.

@TRiG Yikes, that's a lot of personal information. o_o

TRiG

@El'endiaStarman There's a reason all the fields are blank.

fredsbend

9:42 PM

@El'endiaStarman You believe that pictures fly off the walls and things? That spirits haunt people and places?

Just a poll. No judgement.

@El'endiaStarman So you're saying that I should sell? It's a bear market ahead in September?

I suppose that tip is about as good as a tip from Jim Cramer, so I'll consider it.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend I think many secular economists would say that.

fredsbend

@El'endiaStarman So you think end of world kind of stuff, just around the corner? What's the degree of "collapse" here that you're talking about?

El'endia Starman

The 7-year cycle in economics is actually pretty well known. 2008 was the Great Recession. 2001, collapse after 9/11. 1994, I was two years old, so I don't remember that, but a Google search says Mexico peso crisis. Again, this is part of the research I'm doing to evaluate these claims.

@fredsbend Not sure about physical actions, but I'm open to that. Haunts, absolutely. Demons want to make our lives a living hell, and they're great at deception. Demons are not bound to any place or person like people often think, but they'll act like it to make you believe you can't get rid of them. Also, dead people's spirits don't stick around.

fredsbend

@El'endiaStarman I'm aware of the cycle. Before the 2007 collapse, we were on track for another recession in 2014. But 2007 was a bigger and put us back by two years. So I actually expect market decline in late spring 2016.

But what does this have to do with a prophecy from your pastor?

[I didn't read your blog post].

@El'endiaStarman I see. How would you handle claims like those in that post? Pictures flying off walls and things?

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend The economic collapse this year is expected/prophesied to be unusually severe. To the points that the banks close down for some amount of time.

fredsbend

9:56 PM

@El'endiaStarman Your pastor says this? He says it's from God or just his opinion?

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend It's the opinion of many.

fredsbend

I seem doomsayers all the time. What's their evidence?

El'endia Starman

Especially since next year is supposed to be the year of Jubilee, the 50th year after 7 cycles of 7 where all debt is forgiven and land returns to the original owners, that kind of stuff.

fredsbend

???

I don't know what that has to do with the price of rice in china

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend Now you're confusing me. Where did you get that from?!

fredsbend

9:59 PM

Never heard mom or pop say it? It's an old saying, but in this case, it's literally legitimate. What does jubilee have to do with economic collapse in china? The USA?

There's only like 20 Million jews in the whole world in the first place. Only one state that's kind of Jewish.

As far as I know, the OT description of Jubilee doesn't exist today.

Homes don't go back to the tribe they were originally given to.

Slaves aren't set free.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend These 7-year and 50-year cycles are Biblical/Jewish in origin. It's part of the laws that God gave Israel. It's somewhat similar in concept as the mandated day of rest - if you don't take a day off every week, you eventually suffer for it.

fredsbend

And so forth.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend Right. So God forces it.

fredsbend

@El'endiaStarman So the prophecy is that God is collapsing economies around the world until we repent and keep jubliee and sabbath and such?

You're really not making sense to me.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend That's the idea. Not an idea I grew up believing, mind you. This will be the first time I've really researched it.

fredsbend

10:07 PM

@El'endiaStarman Okay, well as an amateur economist, I don't think there's anything divine about the cycles we usually have. They seem to make sense as they are.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend I understand that. Again, I'll be researching and reading opinions on both sides.

fredsbend

Also, Jubliee, I don't think would work very well in the USA.

I don't see how it could work.

@El'endiaStarman Tell me more about your Church. How often is politics and the country a discussion in sermons?

Is it heavily conservative or liberal when those things are discussed? Is the congregation more one side than another?

I remember my studies with an SDA missionary. I attended their sermons once too. They are heavily focused on eschatology. And that involves the USA somehow being the beast that makes everyone worship the image of the first beast.

El'endia Starman

@fredsbend Pretty sure the congregation is mostly conservative. I don't think politics are discussed very often, though patriotism shows up a bit more often. The pastor has lead us in prayer for the country and its leaders. He does see the Supreme Court's decision in a negative light, but I don't recall him saying anything implying we must agree, and besides he seemed to be more concerned for his church's legal rights.

fredsbend

@El'endiaStarman What kinds of displays are made? Is there an American flag somewhere on the Church property?

I really have to get going, though. see you later.

Mr. Bultitude

@El'endiaStarman Is this your church?

El'endia Starman

10:24 PM

@fredsbend Yes, there is an American flag inside, along with flags for Angola, Benin, Brazil, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo?, France, Israel, Palau?, Somalia, and Taiwan, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing a couple or got a couple wrong. One for each nationality represented by a member of the congregation.

@Mr.Bultitude Yes. I guess "Pastor Darren" is unique. :P

Mr. Bultitude

@El'endiaStarman Particularly when you throw in "Louisville."

El'endia Starman

@Mr.Bultitude Ah, right. Indeed...

@fredsbend: 1967 was also purportedly a year of Jubilee. Israel captured Jerusalem during the Six-Day War on June 7. So I was a little wrong earlier; this September is the start of the 49th year, and the next September will be the start of the year of Jubilee, a fresh start.

El'endia Starman

10:50 PM

@El'endiaStarman Also Puerto Rico and one of the British overseas territories. All I remember is that it was blue and had a coat of arms. Which describes 11 of them.

Lee Woofenden

11:03 PM

Just for the record, I don't believe that any of those end-times prophecies in the Bible are meant to be taken literally, as predicting physical and worldly events. I believe they are all about spiritual events. As for physical events, it's possible to look at every century, and probably every decade, since Christ, and find literal "fulfillments" of these prophecies. And people have been expecting the end times for the past 2,000 years.

So far, it hasn't happened. But that doesn't stop people from thinking that we just happen to now be living in the end times. I suppose it keeps those Christians on their toes.

But here's my prediction: The world is not going to end. It's just going to keep on going. That's because those prophecies aren't about physical events at all. They're about spiritual events.

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