The DMZ

Xander

6:00 PM

@MartinRoryIngesen Yup. Email?

M'vy

ok I added myself in the queue :)

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Xander martin@ingesen.no

Iszi

Someone wants to send me a large file via (non-encrypted) e-mail. Can't do it 'cause it's too big. I suggested OneDrive/Google Drive. Their response: "I don't want it in the cloud." (FacePalm)

Xander

@MartinRoryIngesen Ok, sent.

@Iszi Ha ha.

AviD

@Xander wow. I almost didnt click on that. Just.... wow.

so much more than I expected.

M'vy

6:01 PM

security.stackexchange.com/election/0

> There are no active community moderator elections at the moment. Below is a historical record of all elections to date:

AviD

heh

M'vy

only on when in voting phase?

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Xander Thanks!

Xander

Ha ha...I got a comment on my nomination from somebody who though I already was a moderator.

AviD

@Xander hehe. that's a good sign... or a really bad one.

Rоry McCune

6:06 PM

@JeffFerland yeah keybase is interesting, one aspect (directory of keys searchable and tied to social media accounts/websites) I like. The other (upload your private key to us to enable some functionality) I don't

Xander

@AviD Yup

Rоry McCune

will be interested to see their Go Client

Adi

@ThomasPornin Now there are 10 people who nominated themselves. At least 4 of them are more liked here than I am. I think it's better for me to avoid the effort of writing a nomination.

AviD

@Adi was gonna write something nasty, but decided to just point out that moderator elections are not a popularity contest.

Jeff Ferland

@RоryMcCune I ordered a pair of Yubikeys to store my PGP key on. Yay it might be useful!

AviD

6:08 PM

or at least, they shouldnt be...

Thomas Pornin

@Adi Being liked does not mean obtaining votes.

AviD

I mean, if they were, how could I ever have gotten elected?

Rоry McCune

@JeffFerland yeah I had been thinking about keybase plus yubikey, so would be interested to hear how that works for you :)

Iszi

@Adi I tried that once, and got pretty well rebuked not long after.

Adi

@AviD They most definitely are. By their very nature, elections are popularity contests.

@ThomasPornin With a small deviation, I think being does indeed main obtaining votes.

God damn it! Now you guys are inadvertently pushing me to nominate myself to prove you wrong

Thomas Pornin

6:11 PM

@Adi Theoretically you get votes because people think you would be good at the job.

AviD

@Adi still wouldnt prove us wrong. Not being popular might not be the reason you dont get elected, you might get not elected because most people dont think you would not do a not good job.

Iszi

@Adi Easy with the generalizations there. I didn't do anything. Heck, I think I've actually discouraged you.

AviD

Not that I'm saying you wouldnt get elected, or that any other part of that is true

just that not being elected wouldnt prove us wrong

@ThomasPornin "Theoretically". Unfortunately to a large extent, it IS a popularity contest. How large the extent is, now that's the question.

Xander

@Adi I predict that the vast majority of the voters will vote based on the fact that they have achieved the required reputation level, and are being nagged by site to vote, and will get a new shiny badge for their efforts. They will not, in fact, know who any of the nominees are, and will decide who to vote for based on the avatars they like, the candidate scores from highest to lowest, and the relative position to the top of the page, allowing them to get their badges as quickly as possible.

AviD

@Xander relative position is random during the voting phase.

Thomas Pornin

6:13 PM

@AviD But avatar is not !

AviD

I think most people will vote mostly based on name recognition.

assuming they dont recognize a name and immediately associate it with a negative memory or emotion.

Thomas Pornin

You mean that an avatar with "VOTE FOR ME" in red letters will not necessarily win ?

Xander

@AviD Yes, so the elected will be somewhat randomized among the candidates, rather than clearly evident at the start of the election.

AviD

heh, reminds me of that Eddie Murphy movie

@ThomasPornin depends how many babies you kiss.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD I saw that one.

AviD

6:15 PM

@ThomasPornin "THE NAME THAT YOU KNOW"

was not the most awful movie ever

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Indeed, Eddie Murphy kept on making movies.

AviD

@ThomasPornin heh. yes, though he still does have an occasional good role - like Donkey, and other animated films (in which he is not the main star).

ahh it was this one: The Distinguished Gentleman

Adi

@ThomasPornin What about other idle mods?

Like @Avi

:D

AviD

@Adi pls

I handle way more flags than @Jefff, and make way more comments than @Rory.

Adi

@AviD Let's just say I wasn't talking about you

Jeff Ferland

6:20 PM

@AviD I work the night shift. What do you want from me? :)

AviD

@Adi oh come on! Rory does a ton of work around here!

Adi

@AviD Lazy @Rory!! :D

Been lazying in Spain for a while

AviD

@JeffFerland heh. Actually looking at the mod stats now, there is a healthy mix of activity. clearly @RoryAlsop carries the bulk, but each of us does quite a bit, in different areas.

and ftr, this month you handles more flags than anyone.

wait wait, WE dont have to justify anything, we're not being voted on

Jeff Ferland

@AviD Now you're getting it!

Iszi

@RoryAlsop handles everyone's flags? Ew.

Rоry McCune

6:33 PM

@Adi I can safely say that Lazy is not a term I would ever use to apply to the elder rory

Xander

6:59 PM

Has CipherCloud done anything to convince people that they aren't snake oil yet? They still seem to be chugging along, getting reasonable people to consider them to be legit, but I haven't heard the crypto community weigh in since the DMCA brou-ha-ha awhile back.

AviD

@Xander but seriously, did the crypto community really have to say anything else?

seems that should be enough.

those that didnt listen then, wouldnt listen to it being repeated anyway.

Xander

@AviD Perhaps, but I don't even know if they're selling the same stuff now than they were then. Or really for sure what they were selling then, other than that they seemed to be confused about that themselves. Or at least claimed to be.

Has anybody who knows enough to judge properly really gotten a good look at what they're actually offering?

AviD

does it matter?

it's a question of trust.

mistakes can be made, and that's okay.

Lying about it, isn't.

Suing people for talking about it, isn't.

If Superfish.com turned around with a legitmate product, would you spare a half second thought to consider what the product is?

Trust, once broken, is nearly impossible to regain.

Adi

Arabic.SE is now in private beta

I'm pretty excited!

Xander

@AviD I definitely agree. However, I'm not concerned about the trust aspect because I'm not looking to do business with them...I'm really just interested in knowing whether or not they offer reasonably solid crypto products or hand-wavy crypto please-don't-look-behind-the-curtain magic.

Adi

7:10 PM

Finally, I can use the knowledge for which I've been taunted for a long time in school.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune awwww. I got the fuzzies. Note to self: take twice as much beer/whisky to Lochgoilhead :-)

AviD

@Xander especially when it comes to crypto products, there is no difference between "hand-wavy crypto please-don't-look-behind-the-curtain magic" and "reasonably solid crypto products sold by a company with broken trust issues because of earlier hand-wavy crypto please-don't-look-behind-the-curtain magic".

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop \o/ whisky :)

AviD

@RoryAlsop WHOA. WHAT IS BEERWHISKY

I MUST HAVE THIS

Thomas Pornin

@Xander If they don't themselves open the curtains and show, then it is a "please-don't-look-behind-the-curtain" product, and it is a safe bet to assume that it stinks.

AviD

7:14 PM

a good smokey Islay mixed with a rich dark stout. love the idea.

Xander

@AviD Sure there is. There are good software architectures and implementations and bad ones. If you're not buying it, there is a clear distinction that can be drawn. Now if they own the implementation in some way that the company can't be extracted from it, I.E., a SaaS offering, then I'd agree with you. But for software that you can buy and install, you can at least make a general statement as to its appearance.

Martin Rory Ingesen

Great.. this guy went from here security.stackexchange.com/questions/93933/… to here discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/21308/… :/

AviD

@Xander again, its about trust.

Xander

@ThomasPornin Right. And that's what I can't figure out. If they're still NDA'ing everyone who gets a demo, then it's stinks.

AviD

trust to do crypto right. trust not to have backdoors. trust not to have any of a thousand wrongs in the software.

Lucas Kauffman

7:18 PM

see

I post my nomination

immediate censorship by the human infidel

Xander

@AviD Again, I don't agree with that. You can have, as they appeared to have, a bad technical implementation, protected by a bad business model. You can also have a good technical implementation protected by a bad business model. This should still fail as a business, but is not an intrinsic indictment of the technology.

Jeff Ferland

@MartinRoryIngesen Ugh. Somebody should have a technical answer to that question here involving breakpoints and shit. I'm going to be a little sad if we split off into policy vs. doing shit.

Adi

This guy, though security.stackexchange.com/election/3#post-94007

"I've been an active member of Security.SE since the first day I joined"

24 days ago

But he got Rory in his name.. soo

Martin Rory Ingesen

Yeah, I know @Adi, what a loser!

raz

@MartinRoryIngesen Dude don't mess with Hack-Rz

Jeff Ferland

7:20 PM

Middle name. Can't half-ass it.

Adi

@MartinRoryIngesen Not a loser. Just new

Too new

David Freitag

@Adi Really? I was sure I have mentioned that in here before... translate.google.com/#de/en/Freitag

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Adi I guess we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Adi

@MartinRoryIngesen There's no room, sorry. Too new. 24 days is not enough to know the community you're about to moderate.

@DavidFreitag It just never occur to me to actually read it :D

David Freitag

Heh, well, now you know.

I tell a lot of people to call me Friday. Teachers, classmates, football coaches when I was in high school, etc..

Lucas Kauffman

7:23 PM

Guys you all need to install this for your blogs: github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js

3

Adi

@LucasKauffman Oh this is fucking fantastic!

raz

@Adi ^^!

What a brilliant idea!

Xander

@LucasKauffman Ha ha, that's awesome.

David Freitag

I think the word you guys are looking for is 'sadistic'.

AviD

@MartinRoryIngesen answered...

0

A: How to isolate persistent pop-up browser hijack

There are two problems with your question, and neither of them would be solvable by the HackOverflow proposal. The first problem is that, as comments there have noted, you are not asking a security question. If you were, the answer would have been as the first commenter (@schroeder) noted: "Nu...

raz

7:25 PM

@Xander We need someone to hack Reddit, and install

lol

AviD

as did @RoryAlsop, apparently.

Adi

@DavidFreitag It's just like shadow-banning all of your users.

AviD

@AviD I very specifically did not use the word "troll". See if you can spot the point where I did not use that word.

David Freitag

@Adi What does that mean? Banning everyone without telling anyone?

Adi

Hellbanning

Hellbanning, shadowbanning or comment ghosting is a practice used by some online community managers for protecting a community against Internet trolls. The practice involves making a user invisible to all other users. From the hellbanned user's perspective, however, they seem to be participating normally in the community. The purpose of hellbanning is to make it impossible for other users to respond to a particular user by rendering their contributions invisible and thereby enforcing the community best practice of "not feeding trolls." It can be used to prevent trolls or malicious users from creating...

Martin Rory Ingesen

7:27 PM

@AviD And there's the fact that asset protection is off topic on HackOverflow too..

AviD

@Adi it was a parody nomination. He was mocking @Simon.

David Freitag

Also, I have seen several blog posts about "mysterious issues" with electronics projects, and the issues were later discussed, and even solved, from within the comments section.

Adi

@AviD Wait, wasn't @Simon's nomination a mock nomination itself?

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Adi Mockception.

Rоry McCune

I was looking at the Hackoverflow proposal... "This proposal is for hackers. They don't worry about viruses, but analyse them instead. If you're worry and I'd like to protect from the viruses, you should ask security experts, not the hackers. "

David Freitag

7:28 PM

@Adi Heh, that makes a lot of sense, actually...

Rоry McCune

was a comment the proposer put on a sample Q.

hackers apparently don't worry about viruses

I wonder if that ends well for them

Martin Rory Ingesen

@RоryMcCune Tell that to cough HackingTeam cough

Rоry McCune

@MartinRoryIngesen well yes one could draw that analogy

David Freitag

> Thank you for your lack of consideration.

Oh you @Polynomial!

AviD

@LucasKauffman so you dont read my tweets then

Martin Rory Ingesen

7:33 PM

@AviD "Followed"

AviD

@MartinRoryIngesen true, but I dont really care about that

@MartinRoryIngesen hehe, it wasnt a tweetwhore

Martin Rory Ingesen

@AviD It is now!

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD Now I am

AviD

ha lol

yay! new ~~victims~~ followers!

only said that cuz I'd seen that echochamber this morning. and yeah, really awesome idea.

shoudl come bundled with everyone's browser, IMO.

Martin Rory Ingesen

Everyone, you have one job to do -> twitter.com/sec_tigger

AviD

7:35 PM

oh damn

Martin Rory Ingesen

@AviD "Oh hey! You're a Reddit user? Let me set up that account for you!" - Clippy

AviD

dude, really wasnt twerthoring

Thomas Pornin

@Xander My point is that disclosure of involved algorithms and protocol is an integral part of proper cryptography; without disclosure, there is no question of whether it is good or bad; by definition, lack of disclosure implies that it is bad.

Of course, lack of disclosure and legal threats on people who talk about it, that's just worse.

Xander

@ThomasPornin Yes, I agree with that.

AviD

@ThomasPornin @Xander and I add "track record" on to that. If you dont understand those basic cryptography rules, but sell a crypto product - even when you do learn THAT rule, you are still not fit to sell a crypto product.

Xander

7:36 PM

@ThomasPornin And that certainly was the case a few years ago. I'm wondering if it's still true.

Martin Rory Ingesen

I got to ask, @Xander, how come you're so insanely fast at reviewing? I'm sitting here refreshing the /review page, and you often still beat me to it!

AviD

@MartinRoryIngesen he scripted up a bot, of course.

Martin Rory Ingesen

@AviD You see, I've been thinking about doing that...

AviD

heh. don't.

Xander

@MartinRoryIngesen Luck. I don't hang out there like I used to when I was trying to work my way up to #1 in the first posts review queue, but I still check it at about the same rate as I check the home page, so I manage to get quite a few still.

Martin Rory Ingesen

7:41 PM

@Xander Ah, I see. I'll just have to check back more often then

Xander

@MartinRoryIngesen One of the tricks is that as you review more, it starts to offer reviews to other people before it does to you. So even if you are technically the first to hit the page once something is up for review, it might not show it to you. It might wait for others to come through and give them a chance at it first.

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Xander Oh.. I see. I guess that goes both ways then, giving me a chance even though you or anyone else are hitting the page at the same time.

Xander

@MartinRoryIngesen That aside, you can time them to some degree. IIRC, for the first posts queue, for instance, it's something like 18 (or 14, or something..It's been a couple of years so I don't remember exactly) minutes after it's posted that it hits the queue, so if you keep an eye on the home page, you know exactly when to stalk the reviews page to catch them.

Martin Rory Ingesen

Hmmm, okay!

There we go, got one.

Lucas Kauffman

I reviewed my last question on serverfault 3 years ago or so

someone still has to come along to review more questions than me on there

I think I have about 5k

Xander

7:51 PM

@MartinRoryIngesen Specifically, watch the "asked by" or "answered by" field on the home page for new questions or answers by users with either 1 or 101 rep points. When you see them, check their profiles to see if it's their first post. If it is, don't vote, edit, or comment on it, and start watching the first post queue, and you should be able to catch a bunch of them. If you have a vote, edit, or comment to make, you can do it from the review screen.

@LucasKauffman Dang. That's quite a few. I only have something like 11k reviews across all queues here.

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Xander Interesting. It's kinda counter-intuitive though. One would believe that the faster feedback is given, the better, but this incentivises waiting and holding off edits/comments/etc

Xander

And there are only a couple of people here who have 5k across all queues.

Iszi

@Xander Gaming the system much?

Xander

@MartinRoryIngesen Yeah, you're probably right, but I got hooked on the gamification aspect.

@Iszi Playing the system's game, yes.

Martin Rory Ingesen

@Xander Yeah, and seeing a counter go up is way more fun.

Xander

7:55 PM

@Iszi Led @JeffFerland into a fit of sarcasm once when I wouldn't throw a close vote on a question til it hit the queue so I could get a tick towards my Steward badge.

M'vy

Hellbanning :)

like it

CodesInChaos

@Xander Of course. They singlehandedly invented IVs since then.

techworld.com.au/article/528997/…

Xander

So, as @MartinRoryIngesen has pointed out, the system can be counter-productive though. A bunch of us got yelled at by @AviD for voting to delete a bad answer instead of down-voting. He was right, but the system encourages that behavior to an extent by penalizing you for down-voting, but not for voting to delete.

CodesInChaos

“Customers always want to have the strongest possible encryption, so we came up with AES-256 encryption with full randomness... So if you have the name ‘John’ a million times, you will get a million different cipher texts.”

Xander

@CodesInChaos Ah ha ha ha! Ok, I guess that answers that question.

Martin Rory Ingesen

8:00 PM

@Xander Indeed. I don't want to lose my hard-earned rep!

@CodesInChaos That's just... journalism in a nutshell I suppose.

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander nice, thats a lot

Xander

@CodesInChaos Still, the article leaves the original question for me....Are there really that many stupid financial services companies out there, given that's 50% of their customer base, or are they seeing something that makes that makes them ok with it? I know we all make fun of bank website security, but generally they're making informed risk decisions. I've been a vendor to financial security companies before, and in my experience, they definitely have some of the better security teams.

The questions I would get from them were generally of higher quality and demonstrated a better understanding than from the average customer security review.

CodesInChaos

If they moved search from the cloud product to the gateway they might actually be able to use proper encryption.

So I suspect that their actual product isn't actually as bad as their PR people makes it seem.

Xander

8:18 PM

@CodesInChaos That is what I also suspected was at least a possibility.

Hello All,

Hello good sir

:-) Hello Lucas,

@Xander you're right about the misincentivizing, but I never yelled at you.

I barely even raised my voice.

KingJohnno

Something that has been bugging me most of the day - is this: If I designed a proxy server that mimiced behaviour of other devices, could I trap malware in an infinite loop?

Xander

8:26 PM

@AviD Well, I since I couldn't really hear you, I imagined you yelling. I pretty much always imagine you yelling, come to think of it. You're quite a yeller.

AviD

@Xander no no, I dont yell, I hoot. I'm a hooter.

HOO HOO HOOHOOOOOO

@CodesInChaos nice! See, this is what I was saying to @Xander - they are not reliable to have a clue.

Xander

@KingJohnno It's been done, in a manner of speaking. Specifically there are honeypots that engage in what is generally called active defense that is designed to continually raise the cost of attack.

AviD

@Xander " they're making informed risk decisions" - this is true, but the people making those risk decisions don't necessarily have their personal risk model aligned with the bank's risk model.

CodesInChaos

@AviD Perhaps it's only their PR that's so incompetent.

KingJohnno

@Xander :o - Interesting, is there a name for these type of systems ?

AviD

8:29 PM

specifically, buying an expensive product makes them look good, no matter what happens; not buying means they lose out on all those juicy ~~bribes~~ vendor perks.

Xander

@KingJohnno Yes, active defense is the general term.

AviD

@CodesInChaos that is possible, but you would think at some point that someone with a clue would read the clueless PR and call shenanigans.

KingJohnno

Hahaha, Interesting. Basically i'm after a new Security project to do over the summer.

AviD

and if management continues to shut down that person, then we're right back where we started.

Xander

@AviD While I'm sure that's true to an extent, that's not been my experience.

Lucas Kauffman

8:31 PM

@AviD Out of all the banks I've worked, there was only one that didn't pay ouut when there was fraud on their application

CodesInChaos

They seem to have decent success in their target group.

AviD

@LucasKauffman sure - but that doesnt come out of that executive's paycheck.

Jeff Ferland

@AviD And then the owl ripped the little girl's face off. It's a German fairy tale.

CodesInChaos

Openness about security isn't exactly something banks care about

AviD

@Xander often I've found that the people asking the questions and giving the recommendations to buy or not, are not the ones that get to ignore those recommendations and make the decision to buy.

@JeffFerland wut, no, its a tigger

CodesInChaos

8:33 PM

So it's roar instead of hoot?

AviD

@CodesInChaos double guh

Jeff Ferland

True Facts About The Owl

►

AviD

no roaring, just hoohooing

@JeffFerland okay thats a bit funny. and awful.

CodesInChaos

A weird tigger you are.

Lucas Kauffman

It depends on the bank tho, I've seen the best and I've seen the worst and generally it's aligned also with the type of work environment

AviD

8:35 PM

@CodesInChaos that article was from 2013

took me a while to notice

so still not really recent

David Freitag

reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/3ddy88/…

That's... brutal.

Xander

@AviD Ah, yes, this is certainly true.

Rоry McCune

Apple’s Latest Innovation: Copying Spotify

►

David Freitag

@RоryMcCune lol

It's kinda funny how much Microsoft and Apple have in common.

Lucas Kauffman

Athens is burning

Rоry McCune

8:50 PM

yeah large corps... all the same really

Xander

@LucasKauffman Yes, because burning the only assets they have left is going to do wonders for their economy.

Lucas Kauffman

Anyone seen Mr Robot?

Apparently it's supposed to be good

Martin Rory Ingesen

Yeah @LucasKauffman

It's pretty good. It might take some time to get used to, but it seems pretty good right now

AviD

@LucasKauffman I havent decided yet if I like it.

there are 3 good/great things so far:

1. Christian Slater

Rory Alsop

@KingJohnno the tar pit avenue of honeynets/honeypots

AviD

8:59 PM

2. the guy's asperger's is pretty well done, he's just a bit further up the scale than I :-)

3. the hacking scenes, while not yet awesome, are definitely not painful. For example, they actually were shouting to each other in the server room to be heard over the noise, instead of the deathly silence usually portrayed.

4. Christian Slater

Martin Rory Ingesen

I agree with @AviD. I've loved Slater since I first saw Breaking In

AviD

his career started off mediocre with occasional highs, then dipped for a long time, then came back awesome.

and yeah, Breaking In was fantastic.

too bad they only made one season.

Martin Rory Ingesen

@AviD there is two seasons?

Isn't it?

AviD

@MartinRoryIngesen yeah, like I was saying, only one season.

and only one matrix movie.

and too bad they never made prequels to the star wars movies, that would have been awesome.

so yeah, only one Breaking In season.

Martin Rory Ingesen

Haha, okay ;)

AviD

9:06 PM

actually we were really upset when it got cancelled the first time, then overjoyed when they brought it back, then upset when we realized they shouldn't have.

unlike community, their last season post-cancelling may have been the best one.

Rory Alsop

My new favourite application

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Playing with the Google neural nets are we?

Rory Alsop

Yup

M'vy

Hey guys, have you seen AT&T broadcasting security challenge on their twitter : twitter.com/ATTsecurity

David Freitag

Also, I really, really love it when a project works.

Rory Alsop

9:11 PM

Iszi

@RoryAlsop I look away for five minutes, and come back to that?! WTF?!

Rory Alsop

And my wife has many eyes

Deep dream is great fun

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Hahahaha

CodesInChaos

@RoryAlsop Do Rories dream of spider eyed wives?

AviD

@DavidFreitag no no no, it's "I love it when a plan comes together"

David Freitag

9:24 PM

@AviD But that would imply I had a plan.

AviD

well that was always the point, he made up the plan as he went.

David Freitag

Man that show has some crazy feels.

It's like the imgur of television shows.

AviD

usually involved some soldering, a couple of big trucks, drugging BA, Face sweet talking a pretty woman, Murdock breaking out of the loony bin so he can fly the chopper, and lots and lots of random shooting and explosions.

@DavidFreitag what?? The A-Team??

David Freitag

@AviD Are we talking about the same show?

@AviD I thought you meant the doctor.

I've never seen the A-Team, that was before I was born. I think.

AviD

@DavidFreitag I don't recall the Doctor ever saying "I love it when a plan comes together"

and chomping on his cigar

Iszi

9:28 PM

@DavidFreitag So was Doctor Who, originally.

David Freitag

@AviD Yes, Matt Smith has said that at least once.

AviD

@Iszi @DavidFreitag Boom. Lawyered.

David Freitag

@Iszi Yes, but I've seen those

AviD

@DavidFreitag did he really?? Must have missed that!

if he did, it was a clear reference to the A Team.

when did he actually say that?

David Freitag

Late season 6 iirc

Rоry McCune

9:30 PM

... interesting... illustration for an academic article on passwords research.microsoft.com/pubs/250408/…

AviD

@DavidFreitag did he actually say those words, or just point out that he doesnt have a plan?

David Freitag

@AviD He actually said those words

AviD

@DavidFreitag how in hell did I miss that

David Freitag

I'm trying to remember the episode

AviD

welp, gots to rewatch series 6 - again

@DavidFreitag please do

hmm, could it have been A Town Called Mercy?

closest thing to an 'merkan shoot 'em up

or maybe the one in Central Park...

though I thought that was in s5

David Freitag

9:40 PM

I'm getting the feeling I'm wrong about this, but I could swear the 11th doctor says something extremely similar to "I love it when a plan comes together"

Gilles

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Q: Is Google intercepting my emails?

I was recently checking my Recent Activity under the "Details" tab inside your Gmail inbox, and I noticed this IP Address, it's not my IP: I proceeded to look up the IP and it's located in Mountain View California, can someone explain to me what is going on here? Specifically what is the pr...

is he asking whether Google is intercepting his Gmail emails?

Xander

@Gilles I was just about to ask if that was actually a real question.

Iszi

@Gilles Yes. They're your e-mail provider. It's their job.

Xander

@Iszi Yes, but it's not really a question of interception then, is it? It's more a statement of termination.

Iszi

@Xander I knew they were always out to kill us!

AviD

9:47 PM

@DavidFreitag sounds like a question for @RoryAlsop.

Xander

@Iszi I think that's a bit hyperbolic. If they kill us, they can't milk advertising revenue from us. It's more like the Matrix.

Iszi

@Xander And so Zion is...?

Xander

@Iszi Office365?

David Freitag

@AviD Well the main problem is a lack of easily searchable transcripts of the show.

Iszi

@Xander I'll take the blue pill then. Thanks.

Xander

9:49 PM

@Iszi As I've said before today, to each his own.

The Artist

Hey guys. Im trying to complete a saying,

like for hacking.....a good response would be

if a person asks you to hack something unethically,

you could respond as

Iszi

@TheArtist "Go frack yourself?"

Xander

@TheArtist "No."

The Artist

if your smart enough to learn hacking, you should be smart enough to use it

^^^ does this make sense

Iszi

@TheArtist Counter: "Then what's the point of learning it in the first place?"

(I presume you mean "to not use it")

The Artist

9:54 PM

@Iszi yes not to use it :P

AviD

@DavidFreitag here are some transcripts, but not easily searchable - chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/episodes11.html

The Artist

@Iszi for the knowledge of it and for defence......but not to do something unethical?

Iszi

(...And that if you're smart enough to learn hacking, you should be smart enough to capitalize the start of a sentence, and use "you're"/"your" properly, and end sentences with a period.)

;-)

David Freitag

@AviD Yes that is the site I am using google to search, but the results are seeming to point to the fact that I'm wrong.

The Artist

@Iszi this is a chat......

@Iszi there is nothing formal here....

@Iszi i dont correct sentneces here , as long as they make sense....just keep on typing ;)

Iszi

9:56 PM

@TheArtist That's no reason not to use proper English grammar. Surely you've got a full QWERTY keyboard at your disposal.

Xander

@TheArtist The technical skill and the common sense to know how to apply it are not necessarily one and the same. If they were, then we would have a lot fewer people doing stupid, illegal, and unethical things. So, your position statement is demonstrably false.

AviD

@Xander to be fair, he may have the skill to state that position, and not have the common sense to know it is false.

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