The Whiteboard

user55340

12:42 AM

@ThomasOwens language-agnostic now contains the book list from

user55340

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Q: Language agnostic programming books

Are there any great programming or software development books that are language agnostic? Why should I read it?

user114359

@JimmyHoffa There is also a Euro Truck Simulator 2! Which means it was popular enough to write a sequel.

user55340

Once we get more than a handful of book lists in tag wikis, might want to consider an "About Tag Wikis" meta faq post that points out there are book lists in them. Might also consider a "call for book lists" meta post for people to flesh out books in other tag wikis.

user55340

Note that 'approve tag wiki edits' is a 5k rep priv (and 20k for no requirement) so its possible to keep the spam out of there.

user114359

Wanna know what really makes my day? My router taking a permanent dump on me right before rush hour. Not only do I have to pay extra for a new one at retail as opposed to Amazon, but I have to sit in traffic to do it.

Telastyn

1:38 AM

Dunno, I have an ancient unkillable linksys.

user55340

2:10 AM

So, you want to code a Dictionary, that isn't a Dictionary, but behaves like a Dictionary, without the memory use of a Dictionary that is somehow faster than O(1)... but isn't a Dictionary. Did I get that right? — MichaelT 24 mins ago

user55340

No, I want to code something that accomplishes one of the things a Dictionary accomplishes. — JPtheK9 9 mins ago

user55340

The thing you are asking for is a Dictionary. Remove, check, and contains are just bits you get on the side that come with the underlying data structure. ContainsKey is a trivial tweak to TryGetValue. Look at the reference code and see if you can make it faster or take less memory (I assure you that if you are able to do one, you will pay a heavy price for it in the other). — MichaelT 1 min ago

Robert Harvey

2:49 AM

The underlying concept behind a dictionary is a Hashtable or Binary Tree. You're welcome. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago

Stack Exchange

7:29 AM

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Q: Is it possible pulling a copy of a site published onto IIS?

Is it possibly possible to pull a copy of a project published onto IIS ? This project was developed using MVC ASP.net architecture using Visual Studio. Thank you

feature-request programmers-se

Duga

9:31 AM

Hi Alison, you might have more luck on programmers.stackexchange.com which is designed to take generic questions — alex just now

MetaFight

@ratchetfreak mind if I delete my comments from your answer?

ratchet freak

@MetaFight sure

I'll delete mine as well

MetaFight

yeah, I figured I'd give you a heads up. I hate it when I revist a comment of mine and it's out of context because the person I was talking to deleting their half of the conversation.

my posts are gone.

ratchet freak

you can flag them as obsolete then

MetaFight

good point.

Duga

11:20 AM

My point is that we didn't know what the OP had done, so posting an answer was purely speculation. It amazes me how many programmers on this site simply guess. — Archer 30 secs ago

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's probably better on programmers.stackexchange.com — Paddy 17 secs ago

user55340

11:58 AM

Rubik's Cube Magician Steven Brundage fools Penn & Teller - Fool Us

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Thomas Owens

12:44 PM

So my idea to write code that consumes an XSD and generates 1..* XML files appears to be more complicated than I thought.

user55340

1:04 PM

@durron597 courses

durron597

1:29 PM

@MichaelT ahh ffs

user55340

One open. I've cast delete votes on those I can.

durron597

@MichaelT Do you have any CVs left?

@ratchetfreak Any chance you could come out of the woodwork and VTC some/all of the last 6 skills questions? Three of them have 4 CVs each.

user55340

Of course not. After the catch up to beat down the queue, there are only four left. Yesterday was a bad day.

durron597

@MichaelT Do you think this question is worth saving? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/96630/…

user55340

It would need work

user55340

1:38 PM

> What do you think of that? Is it true (to what extent if so)?

durron597

Well, it's obviously not good right now. What I meant was, is there a salvageable question hidden inside it?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT all he wants is contains/remove? is it keyed contains? There's HashSet which doesn't have the keyed lookup...

user55340

I read it as an anecdote poll. The answers tend to respond to that. There is also an element of xyz sucks, an I right? In it. Fixing the question also means fixing the answers. This is likely a more work than worthwhile effort.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa turned out he wanted int[256] array and not a dictionary at all.

Jimmy Hoffa

... well

Telastyn

1:47 PM

yeah... because Dictionary<int,int> was too big/slow.

for 255 keys.

user55340

But he didn't put that in the question.

Jimmy Hoffa

haha oh goodness, at least he knew something was up when he was trying to use a dictionary for that, I've seen far too many who really wouldn't have picked up on anything and just thought "Hmm... this seems like a solution!"

hey @MichaelT I'm going to be installing Eclipse today

Woo....

Is it really particularly worse than IntelliJ or is it actually just fine these days?

just maybe not as good

André

@JimmyHoffa I think it's pretty okay, the auto complete does okay, but IntelliJ is better at it.

Ampt

Happy Coffee Day Progs!

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt coffee day?

Ampt

2:00 PM

@JimmyHoffa every day is coffee day

5

André

Hear ye, hear ye!

Jimmy Hoffa

New job has Costco brand coffee...I brought in my french press and just use the hot water from the machine to make my peets every morning...

Yes, coffee day indeed.

I sure am glad I'm quite good at keyboarding... this whole one finger less thing would be a pain in the ass otherwise; my last job I was the only person on my team who didn't hunt'n'peck, it's very disconcerting to know that's still so common even among programmers

André

french press, seems nice

Jimmy Hoffa

@André makes great coffee, fast, just not a ton

André

I have only access to standard coffee machines

Jimmy Hoffa

2:04 PM

Depending on the size you get, mine makes about 35-40oz of coffee, enough for 2 big cups for me.

Ampt

I just have a keurig

Jimmy Hoffa

@André I bought the french press at Target for $20 years ago.. it's paid for itself several times over

Ampt

works well enough for me!

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt mine at home broke, and new job doesn't have one... I rather like them

Ampt

I like that you can just make one little cup. no more asking around at 1:30 to see if anyone else wants some coffee

Jimmy Hoffa

2:05 PM

amazon.com/Bodum-Brazil-French-Coffee-34-Ounce/dp/B000KEM4TQ/…

André

I find it funny that Brazil has such big name with coffee overseas

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I have a smaller version of this.

André

I can get only crappy coffee beans. Good ones are so expesive

Thomas Owens

It only makes 2 or 4 cups, I think.

Jimmy Hoffa

Frank Sinatra Awful lot of coffee in Brazil

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@ThomasOwens I get 2 cups out of mine, but my coffee cup must always be at least a 20oz behemoth

Thomas Owens

2:08 PM

@JimmyHoffa Yeah. I do mean 2-4 mediumish coffee mugs.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens the hot water out of coffee machines or the water coolers in offices I find are plenty hot to brew with a french press, coffee+hot water+stir+press and coffee's done in under a minute.... they're underrated for how handy they are

Thomas Owens

It's really a great thing. Unfortunately, you need different bean sizes for the reusable K cup versus a french press.

So usually, one of the two devices can go unused for a while.

durron597

@ThomasOwens Do you have 10 minutes to help with STCI?

Thomas Owens

@durron597 Yeah.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens meh, I never bother meddling with the grind. I just buy what I want pre-ground right off the grocery store shelf... works fine. Just get's a little bit of grinds in the bottom of the last cup, but nothing gross or too much

Thomas Owens

2:10 PM

What's up? I've been doing some retagging a few times this morning.

durron597

skills is down to 3 open questions, but they are tricky

two of them have CVs but I'm not entirely sure they should be closed.

Thomas Owens

This one is career development. I'm applying a mod close to it.

It's also too broad and polling.

I agree with the primarily opinion based on this one.

Jimmy Hoffa

also I use normal grinds in the reusable k-cup... I have no troubles with regular grind for really anything. You only get the smallest bit of grinds in your cup, they sink to the bottom, and frankly, what's scary about a little coffee grinds? I love coffee. I can't hate on the grind.

Thomas Owens

There aren't close votes on this one, but it smells funny. Seems kind of ranty and discussion oriented.

@JimmyHoffa Aren't you supposed to use the coarsest grind for a french press and a more fine grind for a K cup?

MetaFight

+

Thomas Owens

2:14 PM

Normal grinds are usually OK in a K cup, too, though. But you need to coarser grinds in a french press, I thought.

MetaFight

+

= what made my last job bearable.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens yes, but the reason is just the filters will let normal grinds through a french press (it's a tiny bit, and only in the last cup; try it and you'll see), and for the k-cup I never frankly noticed a difference

durron597

@ThomasOwens @MichaelT and I were just discussing that maybe it could be edited into an on-topic question.

Jimmy Hoffa

What I will say is the finer grounds do put a bit more pressure on the filter of the french press because they create a better water seal under it; but that just makes the coffee stronger from the pressure.

durron597

I don't disagree with the closure, though.

Thomas Owens

2:16 PM

@JimmyHoffa So you think that normal grinds would be OK in a french press?

As long as you didn't eat them in the last cup.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens That's all I use.

I never bother messing with different grinds, plus the times I have done that I've found myself in the position of having coffee I couldn't use for one thing or another. Normal grinds work fine for everything in my experience

durron597

@ThomasOwens There's also this question which is the only open question in courses, which probably should be added to the blacklist list. @MichaelT found that this morning as well

Thomas Owens

@durron597 I'll look. Could you add courses to the black list>

durron597

@ThomasOwens already doing it

Thomas Owens

I just closed the question. Thanks.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:18 PM

@MetaFight I am seriously intrigued! What is this??

Btw, on coffee day I must bring up this spectacular company which I love: hilinecoffee.com my wife found it and we order k-cups from them all the time, the coffee is great

super convenient just having coffee show up at your front door

MetaFight

It's an Aero Press. It's great for making single mugs of coffee.

I have a subscription with hasbean.co.uk good stuff there too.

Thomas Owens

I am more of a tea person. Between Adagio and Teavana, I'm happy. I don't know where the closest Teavana to my new apartment is, though.

I usually only drink coffee when it's free and already made for me.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens you should drink it always. Always is the correct time. Real engineer...pah.

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I do drink coffee at work.

Because it's free and I just walk to the cafeteria to get it.

But if I have to make something, I'd prefer to make tea. Or drink Scotch.

MetaFight

I was big scotch drinker when I lived in a colder climate. Scotch is like a warm hug :)

durron597

2:25 PM

STCI Status: source-code 108 / software 90 / self-improvement 53 / payment 13 / pricing 27 / cost-estimation 17

user55340

@JimmyHoffa eclipse is ubiquitous. That's the good thing about it. I prefer netbeans for free and IntelliJ overall.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens if you find yourself preferring to make scotch, do give me a ring.

@MetaFight yes. Living in Denver, I love my scotch in the winters (which are becoming less winter-like by the year...grumble)

Thomas Owens

2:43 PM

@JimmyHoffa I don't know if distilling is legal where I am.

Well, home distilling, anyway.

durron597

Thank you for your time. You marked the is not transitive as very important. But I can't understand what it means. Besides, with runtime I have no problem as it is osgi and all necessary bundles I add. I've always done this way and never had a problem. — JimJim2000 1 min ago

Jimmy Hoffa

For all who haven't yet learned of this: There's a rather common bean that has a very distinct and different flavor from most all other beans, which everyone should try to see if they like it. Sumatran beans have a rich dark roast flavor - but virtually none of the bitterness associated with strong dark roast beans. The flavor truly is quite distinct from other beans - and not in the "subtle hints of bla bla" bullshit way. Most decent brands have a Sumatra bean choice (starbucks, peets, et al)

durron597

@JimJim2000 What is your first language (human, not programming)? — durron597 52 secs ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fact that his code is OSGI has nothing to do with his problem, right?

Jimmy Hoffa

Everyone should try Sumatran beans at least once to see how they like it, since pretty much all other decent dark roast beans have fairly similar taste profiles, so far Sumatran is the only one I've found with a very distinguishably different taste

enderland

Roasting your own beans allows you to make good, dark roasts without burning the beans, too

Jimmy Hoffa

2:47 PM

@enderland is that where the bitterness comes from you think? I figured that before learning Sumatran beans never have that

enderland

I have never really experienced the bitterness from dark roasts when we've done them

Jimmy Hoffa

perhaps Sumatran beans are roasted a particular way and that's the difference... I have no idea

enderland

occasionally you get a burned feel, but I've never got the... bitterness

Thomas Owens

Or they are harder to burn?

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens could be

enderland

2:48 PM

but I also only get beans of one type, too, so each time we roast it's never a blend, which might affect that

Jimmy Hoffa

like I said, worth grabbing a bag of Sumatran to try; it's common enough at the grocer but blends in with the litany of others if you don't know to look for it.

@enderland you should try getting Sumatran to roast to put this to rest; now I'm curious why it has a different flavor than others. I mean, beans are beans.. if it's the roast, then you won't notice a particular difference when using the Sumatran you roasted vs. others you roasted just the same

enderland

beans are not beans, if you roast your own coffee each has avery distinct flavor

Ampt

That feeling when you have no room left on your desk for coffee because it's covered in electronic components....

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt there's always room in your hand...

enderland

that was probably the most enlightening thing about roasting my own coffee, the flavor of each coffee suddenly was different than "generic light roast" and "generic burned dark roast"

Jimmy Hoffa

2:53 PM

@enderland like I said, Sumatran actually has a distinguishable flavor from those two out of the grocer, so it should be even more distinct if your personal roasting brings out the flavors as such

Telastyn

bleh, coffee. vile swill

Jimmy Hoffa

gods I can never make heads or tales of JDKs

how do I get 1.6? Is that Java SE 5?

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa 1.6 = Java 6.

Jimmy Hoffa

why do they apply two fuckin versions to everything?

Telastyn

to be more enterprisey

Thomas Owens

2:54 PM

@JimmyHoffa Because Oracle.

Ampt

@Telastyn The more you talk, the more I think you're a robot.

Jimmy Hoffa

if I install 1.8 can it do 1.6 builds or do you need to install the individual versions separately?

Thomas Owens

But .6 is old.

Ampt

@ThomasOwens Not for enterprise!

Telastyn

Turing test, here I come!

Jimmy Hoffa

2:54 PM

@ThomasOwens well it's what I need for some legacy stuff I'm about to work on

Thomas Owens

You can use source and target for 1.6 if you have 1.8.

There's an argument to do that.

You can always target an older version.

Just be sure your IDE is set up properly so it doesn't suggest new things that don't exist.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens do I have to meddle with it, or will it just be default based on the way the (?? project file ??) is setup?

oh

The Eclipse project will allow me to tell it to target 1.6?

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa In your IDE, it'll likely be a configuration. In ant or invoking javac, it's an argument.

durron597

So someone has told me my Maven answer is wrong He's not native english speaker and has low rep but I think he's not an idiot. Can someone else weigh in? (chat here is fine)

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa It should, yes.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:56 PM

Great, then I'll just get 1.8

JDK is the one I want for development right, not JRE aye?

Thomas Owens

In Eclipse, you can set each project to use a different compiler.

Yeah, JDK = Java Development Kit. JRE = Java Runtime Environment.

André

If you are using maven, there is the integration with the Eclipse, it will configure the eclipse metadata according to your pom.xml

Thomas Owens

@André Does maven handle Java versioning, too?

André

Java versioning as in source level? 1.6 1.7 18?

Thomas Owens

@André Yeah.

André

2:58 PM

@ThomasOwens yeah it does.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens oh what about SVN integration? We use SVN but I don't bother integrating it in visual studio because the integration stinks. Eclipse should have good integration though, right?

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I don't know if it comes with SVN out of the box anymore.

But there are plugins.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens bollocks. Whatever, I use tortoisesvn, works fine enough

André

SVN you have to install a plugin, it's pretty straight forward. TortoiseSVN is pretty usefull too

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa Install a plugin. It's called an IDE for a reason.

Because it's Integrated.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:59 PM

@Telastyn this is an unacceptable approach to.....everything.

@ThomasOwens you don't tell me what to do! You're not the boss of me!

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Java Savior, IntelliJ?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt Have you accepted Haskell into your home, and into your heart?

André

@ThomasOwens
    <plugin>
    	<artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
    	<configuration>
    		<source>1.7</source>
    		<target>1.7</target>
    		<encoding>UTF-8</encoding>
    	</configuration>
    </plugin>

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I tried, but it would only beat my heart to keep me from blacking out.

Thomas Owens

That's nice.

André

3:03 PM

Seems I don't know how to code block, but there it is.

Ampt

spaces

or hit the "fixed-font" button next to send

it pops up on multi-line comments

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I'm not going to be doing a lot of Java work, boss says he and the rest use Eclipse, and I don't really know what I'm doing in the java dev environment, so I figure it's best to use the tooling they can help me on rather than something they can't help with and I don't know already

Ampt

Is this a permanent change?

@André that's what I said! ;)

André

nods It is!

Thanks Ampt!

Ampt

lol

Can we just take a minute to appreciate how far away this little ball of brown ice is?

durron597

3:07 PM

@gnat cv-pls unclear programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/261436/…

user55340

@ThomasOwens Java version a build plugin.

user55340

maven-compiler-plugin

gnat

3:33 PM

@durron597 that would be rather unfair of me, because asker added quite a lot of clarifications in response to my comment. Besides, these clarifications and their technical details effectively moved the question outside of area where I feel comfortable about deciding on close

durron597

@gnat he's also asking for code

hi @Snowman, I voted to close this question do you agree?

user114359

@durron597 That question is borderline. Given what is in the real world the answer is not subjective (my answer is not subjective). It might not be strictly on-topic per the help center, but I think it is a useful question.

user114359

That is why I chose to answer rather than VTC.

durron597

I voted to close it as unclear - I don't understand what problem he's having.

why not have "README - user" and "README - developer"

user114359

@durron597 That question is borderline. It reads like he wants a better design, but also like he needs code help.

user114359

3:46 PM

@durron597 There is no real standard other than the de facto standard. GNU has some guidelines (not rules). So that would be possible. I still like my answer, I think it is good guidance: regardless of anything else, people are conditioned to look for a README file when they need help. Use it as a signpost.

durron597

why not have a really big README with two sections?

I don't see what the problem is?

user114359

It is plain text and a pain to navigate. The best READMEs I have seen are short and divided up in sections. Each section says "if you need X, look at resource Y. If what you need is not in here, go to project site Z and ask the project owner, forum, etc."

user114359

It is not as simple as "user" v "developer." For one, developers are also users. Two, as a user, I might need help with multiple tasks.

user114359

Installing, usage, etc. As a developer I might want to compile from scratch, write a plugin.

user114359

One behemoth of a text file is a crappy way of helping people when it has to contain so much data

user114359

3:51 PM

I think the real question is what does this have to do with software development within the scope of the help center.

Thomas Owens

@Snowman Software developers write READMEs.

user114359

@ThomasOwens As I read the help center, two "on-topic" bullets encapsulate documentation.

gnat

@durron597 yeah I am not quite happy about it even after edits. Still, details added by asker make it hard to me to tell whether the question is really poor or it's just a slippery wording in there. Working in SO close queue I have built a strong habit to skip when I feel like that :)

user55340

4:13 PM

That switch question should get migrated to SO. All the answers are code solutions rather than design solutions.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT So?

Sometimes, talking in code is the best way to express an idea.

Plus, The Source Code Is The Design.

user55340

@ThomasOwens on the other hand, too broad wouldn't be bad for it either. It still getting too many distinct code only answers.

gnat

4:34 PM

@MichaelT CR.SE might be best fit for it. I checked - all of their "six yes" appear to be satisfied

user114359

@MichaelT It is on the hot list. What do you expect?

gnat

...I wouldn't be surprised if they even have a dupe for it

ratchet freak

@MichaelT all with the same idea though; put the title in the parameters of the printf and use *some method*™ to map the gender to title

I gave the first solution to it and then everyone started bikeshedding on it

gnat

4:51 PM

@Snowman at age 7 hours and score under 5, it has a solid chance to age away gracefully. There could be one or two lame attempts at code golf from hot list lemmings, business as usual

user114359

I found this question that is not quite a dupe, but my answer to today's question uses the same solution:

user114359

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Q: Why do I need to map arguments to instance variables?

Class BankAccount: def __init__(self, accID, name, balance): self.accID = accID self.name = name self.balance = balance In the code above, why is it that I'm required to map all of my arguments to instance variables? This just seems like a waste of time. I'm using t...

object-oriented object-oriented-design

user114359

Crap, wrong link:

user114359

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Q: Why should a HashMap be used(in functions) to determine which value to return(for a key) when an if else construct can do the job in better time?

While I was recently working at a big company, I noticed that the programmers there followed this coding style: Suppose I have a function that returns 12 if the input is A, 21 if the input is B, and 45 if the input is C. So I can write the function signature as: int foo(String s){ if(s.equ...

coding-style coding-standards

Duga

5:10 PM

Could you provide some less... abstract examples? As it stands, this seems more like a design problem than a programming one, and may therefore be better suited to programmers.stackexchange.com, but I don't know if it would fit in its current form. — jonrsharpe 34 secs ago

Jimmy Hoffa

5:23 PM

@Ampt a cup of coffee, as seen from space?

How do I find the main in a java project?

ratchet freak

@JimmyHoffa grep for "public static void main(String"?

Jimmy Hoffa

ah so no convention or otherwise obvious search

fair enough

ratchet freak

if it's in a jar the META-INF should have it

Jimmy Hoffa

ah cool thanks

ratchet freak

often it's named the same as the project

Ampt

5:51 PM

@JimmyHoffa That's pluto!

the clearest picture we've ever gotten, too

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt That's no pluto!

user15026

@Ampt That is amazing :D

Ampt

New Horizons traveled 3 Billion miles to get that picture

user114359

@Ampt Miles? How quaint. When discussing distances within our solar system, it would be more appropriate to say it traveled at least 39.4 AU.

Ampt

6:09 PM

@Snowman "Yeah, it's just 2.15 × 10^-8 AU down the street, ma'am!"

user15026

@Ampt My brain can't even understand that as a thing.

durron597

6:28 PM

@enderland I'm still offended by the word "as"

user114359

@durron597 What a sweet Angel.

user114359

@Ampt Ah, you got me on a technicality. I should have said to use AU when discussing distances inside our solar system but equal to or greater than the distance between two planets.

user114359

But WTF do I know? I am just a frigid man with sticks for arms who bangs away at keyboards until the computers do something marginally useful.

durron597

6:52 PM

@ratchetfreak so-delete-vote-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/726310/…

Thomas Owens

@durron597 Did you see the date on that?

I would not delete that anywhere. It's off-topic today, but it's a somewhat useful question. Should be flagged for a lock.

And if not locked, just left closed.

durron597

@ThomasOwens SO doesn't lock questions like that one

I've asked both RobertHarvey and JonClements to lock ones like that and they refused.

@ratchetfreak thanks

@ThomasOwens We are burninating software-tools on SO and that was the last question that isn't going to get roombaed

Thomas Owens

So why did it deserve a delete?

It was useful.

Off-topic now? Yes. Off-topic when posted? Nope. Useful? Yes. Retag it.

durron597

@ThomasOwens Vote to undelete it then.

Thomas Owens

I just did.

And I removed the tag.

Telastyn

7:27 PM

@JPtheK9 - oh no! 4 meg! That is breaking the bank! — Telastyn 1 min ago

premature optimization strikes again!

André

> my implementation out-performs Dictionary<int,int> in both memory use and performance.

user55340

Could a diamond glance at that diamond question?

user55340

-7

Q: Why Diamond is a problem rather than Join?

You say that multiinheritance creates a diamond problem You say that because D receives a duplicate copy of A properties. This is a problem and needs resolution. I do not see any problem here because properties received from A are identical, and therefore, conflict is resolved automatically. S...

object-oriented interfaces namespace scope multiple-inheritance

Thomas Owens

7:43 PM

@MichaelT WTF?

ratchet freak

talking at length about diamond problems invites diamonds...

user55340

You finally finished all the comments?

durron597

-8, only 1 CV. Must have been a bad morning.

Simon André Forsberg

Is this accurate would you say?

Discussing about Code Reviews belongs at Programmers. However, I think this question is likely to be too broad and perhaps primarily opinion based over there. — Simon André Forsberg 38 secs ago

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT I started the comments. My head hurts.

durron597

7:44 PM

@SimonAndréForsberg If you're coming to campaign, I already voted for you.

Simon André Forsberg

Btw, Code Review election closes in 16 minutes!

@durron597 no, I am not. I am coming to ask for topicness

durron597

@SimonAndréForsberg You are correct that question is too broad and opinion based.

thorsten müller

@MichaelT The problem is that he really has a point somehow (diamond is most often discussed and simple multiple inheritance already has naming conflicts). Just that it ends more in a discussion how many people got it wrong on the internet.

durron597

@SimonAndréForsberg We actually just finished closing all questions tagged skills just today.

user55340

@SimonAndréForsberg correct. On topic. Too broad. Good chat topic.

Simon André Forsberg

7:45 PM

@durron597 thanks! just noticed this at The 2nd Monitor as well:

in The 2nd Monitor, 5 mins ago, by Jamal

@Malachi A Programmers mod has told me that it's too opinion-based.

user55340

@RecognizeEvilasWaste good grief; give it a rest, would you? This isn't a place to rant (if you want to do that, open your own blog), it's to ask and answer (answerable, on-topic) questions. Also, bear in mind that the probability that you're a misunderstood genius is somewhat lower than the probability that you've misunderstood something. — jonrsharpe 40 secs ago

durron597

@SimonAndréForsberg It's possible it could be edited into a good question for your meta site

thorsten müller

The whole question was basically over with the first comment: This is a taboo question. They silence the question to silence it.

durron597

@SimonAndréForsberg If it were like "how do I write good answers to Code Review questions" as opposed to "what are good skills for code review"

Ah, I just read your chat logs, you are all basically saying the same thing.

user55340

It's not taboo. We're just bored about it and know how to deal with it in our chosen languages. No one seriously writes C++ anymore, right?

user55340

7:50 PM

jonrsharpe expands unjustified smearing of my question (it is clearly a question, I wounder how you bend your brain to read it otherwise) with personal attacks. It seems that so far there was not enough dirt for me. — Recognize Evil as Waste 1 min ago

user55340

This is going down hill fast and accelerating.

durron597

@MichaelT Got bad enough for me to drop a flag

5 minute warning for code review elections

user55340

@ThomasOwens I hope that auto unlocks so that either I or the roomba can cast delete votes at some point.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT It's a perm lock. I think I'm going to delete it on top of that, though.

Cleaning up comments will just make it confusing if anyone needs to see what this was.

durron597

@ThomasOwens I support this

Ixrec

7:57 PM

wow, I missed a train wreck

thorsten müller

@ThomasOwens now you are part of the 'system' that keeps this important issue a taboo and silencing its discussion.

Ixrec

agreed on deletion though, if he was less antagonistic about it we could've turned that into a pretty decent question (he appeared to be legitimately misunderstanding why the diamond is a conflict at all, in a way we could've explained) but after all the comments it's clearly pointless

user55340

@Ixrec I fav'ed it so when you get to 10k you can see it in there.

Ixrec

oh no I've already read it

user55340

Oh well. But you still don't know what to name a cat.

Ixrec

8:01 PM

did I miss another naming question?

user55340

Ancient programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46835/…

Thomas Owens

There are only two possible names for a cat, apparently.

Simon André Forsberg

in The 2nd Monitor, 2 mins ago, by michaelpri

Congratulations to our new moderators!!! @Jamal @200_success @SimonAndréForsberg @Mat'sMug

thorsten müller

Makes no sense to name cats, they will ignore you anyway if you call them.

3

Thomas Owens

And another blue name in this room.

user55340

8:03 PM

Or things like programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/136210/… or programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/49548/…

thorsten müller

Eeek why am I blue?

Thomas Owens

Not you. @SimonAndréForsberg once he does his things.

user55340

TIL all the humor in the TL is blue.

thorsten müller

A, my background is blue, guess that's just my own comments.

gnat

Welcome To The Machine - Pink Floyd

►

Thomas Owens

8:05 PM

@thorstenmüller Yeah. Your messages are blue. Mods have a blue name.

<------ See?

thorsten müller

Yes, never noticed that.

user55340

I've gotta suffice with boring old room owner italics.

ratchet freak

I have to suffices with nothing :(

Ixrec

at least you have 10k tools

user55340

@thorstenmüller cats dispatch all messages to dead.letter.

ratchet freak

8:08 PM

@Ixrec yeah but that doesn't give me many chat privileges

user55340

You can handle chat flags.

Ixrec

chat flags are weird

ratchet freak

The lack of context stops me from saying anything but "not sure" to all but the most egregious flags

Ixrec

that, and the fact that I'm being asked to moderate other SE communities

Robert Harvey

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Q: Hot-patching a server: dynamically loading types from an uploaded assembly

In the current project I'm working on, some of the C# classes are being stored as source code in SQL Server database records, and executed as needed using CSScript. This is being done so that the server doesn't have to be taken down to replace the assembly in which these classes reside. While t...

c# dynamic-linking mef

Ixrec

8:19 PM

I think that's the first time I've seen someone deliberately double-post a terrible question here

user55340

@Ixrec I've seen it before. The unfortunate thing for the OP is anecdotal evidence suggests a three stikes for bad first questions before a ban. Doing them in rapid succession with unsalvigable questions makes it hard for them to improve.

gnat

@Ixrec iirc reposts like this happen once in a month or two. Inexperienced users don't know that they can edit, so they try dumping a "new", "improved" version. Some seem to believe that retrying will shake off downvotes etc

user55340

That said, if it wasn't the case, I'd need more close votes.

Ixrec

now that you mention it, the "you've been closed because X" notices don't really make it obvious that you're supposed to edit away the problem and get reopened

what is a "ghetto scripting language"‌?

Robert Harvey

Any scripting language, really.

Ixrec

8:27 PM

lol

user55340

@RobertHarvey come on. You know you want to rewrite it all in iron Python.

Robert Harvey

@Ixrec At the moment, anything that's not C# (since I'm not keen on having to rewrite this stuff).

@MichaelT To be fair, I don't think CSScript is needed at all. I think you can just dynamically load and execute C# files with the compiler, directly.

ratchet freak

But you'd need to dynamically unload as well

durron597

@gnat It's -3 now if 20ks want to have at it.

Robert Harvey

@ratchetfreak There's an Assembly property in the CompilerResults object that is returned. I see several Load methods in the Assembly class, but no Unload ones.

gnat

8:37 PM

@durron597 I honestly despise the way how SO team pushes these folks into ban with their senseless 20-min posting rate. They had it 90 minutes at SO for a while, nobody died, why not make it at Programmers. I can not imagine a legitimate case for a new user to post two questions in 20 minutes over here ...unless the goal is to quickly throw them over the cliff. "Here's the grave, here's the shovel. Dig faster and deeper"

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Q: Please increase rate limit for new users asking questions to one used at Stack Overflow (1 per 90 minutes)

As September is coming, site is getting spammed by zero effort homework dumps. Particularly passionate spammers even drop their garbage at us at highest rate allowed (today examples: 1, 2, 3, 4 - 10K links). And prior examples are not an isolated incident. As pointed in comments, next day after ...

feature-request asking-questions rate-limiting homework-dump

durron597

Or, at the very least, start at 90 minutes which can be reduced by upvotes on the first question. — durron597 8 secs ago

Robert Harvey

@gnat So you're for, or against?

gnat

@RobertHarvey against

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A: Are high-reputation users answering fewer questions?

This is going to be blunt. I recently chose to stop contributing to a site at which I was one of the top-rep users. There are a variety of reasons, but among those relevant here: I don't enjoy being exclusively a janitor due to the deluge of junk I don't enjoy having to be a janitor to partic...

^^^ I want them throttled at 90 minutes and get a fair chance to cool off. It's not fun to cleanup stuff that could be avoided in the first place. I don't want more bans, I want less cleanup

Ixrec

wow there are a lot of answers on that one

durron597

@gnat haha, that question resulted in two of my highest voted answers

Robert Harvey

8:42 PM

Eeek. Nobody forces anyone to be a janitor.

I'm one because I'm a glutton for punishment.

gnat

@RobertHarvey I am not forced. I only want there was less junk to clean up. Fair enough?

Robert Harvey

Neither is @enderland

Ixrec

enderland's point there is more or less why I never want to be a moderator

sometimes I feel like CVing stuff, other times I feel like not touching the site all day and just doing something else

and as long as I'm not a mod, the worst that can happen from me ignoring the site is my phone occasionally buzzing with "durron597: @ixrec we need more CVs!"

durron597

@Ixrec I try to only buzz you if I've seen you in the room recently ;)

Ixrec

you have a knack for doing it when I'm on the fence and actually end up CVing as a direct result of said mention

Robert Harvey

8:48 PM

How large is an app domain? Is that a big thing, or a relatively small thing? If you spin up a new app domain, is it expected to remain living for a substantially long period of time?

durron597

@Ixrec I'm starting to buzz people more because it feels like we don't have as many dedicated STCI people as we did during the education / career phase

Ixrec

I am definitely not spending nearly as much time on it now as I was before

(no specific reason why, my "free time priorities" drift around all the time)

durron597

@Ixrec It's less rewarding because these tags are not as bad, and require editing a higher % of the time.

Ixrec

I don't think it's that, for me at least

in theory I should be all over the legal clean up considering how many licensing questions I jump on nowadays

durron597

@Ixrec If you want to work on it, go ahead, we just felt there were lower hanging fruit in these other tags.

Though, as slow as they're going, maybe not.

Ixrec

8:53 PM

I will if I ever feel the janatorial urges rising up once again

Ixrec

9:12 PM

I'm slightly shocked that meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2615/… apparently got deleted

that doesn't seem like the kind of question title that would start a flame war in need of purging...oh well

gnat

9:27 PM

@Ixrec if you had 10K at TWP, you'd see that this was deleted per request of an involved user (I think mod left a comment over there explaining this). I don't have 10K there but I know this because it was accompanied by my flags (and I don't have many flags at TWP meta, so it was easy to find:)

...or maybe it was in times of beta when my rep was sufficient for 10K privileges

Duga

The review element belongs on Code Review. The self-review element is a chatty question that belongs on Programmers. To half-answer you, reading documentation is a skill that you must learn and get used to; reading the FAQ for this site to find out what's on topic and what isn't would have been a good start. :) — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago

@gnat: Maybe not "chatty" but in the sense that it asks a question about being a programmer rather than about a piece of code. If that's not on-topic for Programmers.SE then frak knows what that site's for — Lightness Races in Orbit 55 secs ago

user55340

9:44 PM

It's not the on/off topic at issue, but rather the too broad from the chatty nature of it.

Duga

@RobertHarvey: I think you know me better than to think that I'm suggesting it's on-topic on Programmers.SE only because it's off-topic here. I somewhat resent the insinuation, actually. Only a complete moron would seriously recommend a question be posted on Programmers.SE for that reason. — Lightness Races in Orbit 53 secs ago

gnat

@MichaelT not a coincidence that we have a dupe of that part they call "chatty" closed as too broad: How do I review my own code?

Duga

Regardless, "chatty" and "about programmers" is not in Programmers' site scope. — Robert Harvey ♦ 32 secs ago

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