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12:03 AM
Here's an image of @PauloCereda having a bad day: alphavilleherald.com/images/various/duck2.jpg
 
cfr
 
1:11 AM
@GonzaloMedina oooh :)
@egreg: Can you give me a typographic hint? How should I type the words of Christ in an eucharistic prayer? I thought of using \textsc{...}, but it doesn't look good. But I don't want to type it as all caps. :(
 
 
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8:10 AM
Morning all
 
@PauloCereda If boldface is not used, then small caps seem a good choice.
@JosephWright Good morning!
@PauloCereda Maybe with small letter spacing
@DavidCarlisle Are you getting “Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.” from the AMS discussion site?
 
Good maen
 
@DavidCarlisle Fun on the team list over night
 
yo'
9:01 AM
@JosephWright morning! :)
 
@JosephWright sigh
@egreg haven't been there this morning, hang on...
@egreg no. although the site is pretty stupid if you keep a tab open too long it gets confused, quite often i have to go to "home" then select "my communities" and then stix, and let the browser log me in again.
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks, it works.
 
@egreg good system, isn't it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Peculiar.
 
@egreg probably @barbarabeeton designed it. We'll credit it to her anyway.
 
9:15 AM
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
 
@cfr I mailed texlive list re elocalloc
 
@DavidCarlisle Re your latest team message: as I keep saying, we need to finish LaTeX3 stuff including xor. It's only partly a joke that I keep saying about it!
 
@JosephWright yes true (although same engine questions apply to that)
 
@DavidCarlisle To some extent, yes
@DavidCarlisle As you know, despite the questions on 'stability' I think any eventual LaTeX3 format should assume a Unicode engine (there are all sorts of font issues otherwise)
 
I am very unhappy with questions and answers like that
2
Q: URL not getting published in bibliography

Bruce\documentclass[a4paper,12pt,numbers=noenddot]{scrartcl} \usepackage[style=numeric, natbib=true, maxitems=1, backend=biber]{biblatex} \usepackage[breaklinks=true, linktocpage=true, pdftitle={My Title}, pdfsubject={}, pdfauthor={My Name}, pdfkeywords={}]{hyperref} \bibliography...

 
9:30 AM
@JosephWright yes although that may not be a universally popular point of view it seems:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh I know
@DavidCarlisle Remember in the past I've wondered about just sitting down and writing my own format with my own rules :-)
2
@DavidCarlisle I wonder if Chris will make the 'team meeting' at TUG2015: he's not on the list
 
@JosephWright seems not
 
@DavidCarlisle Shame
 
@JosephWright Out of interest, what does a team meeting look like? Sitting on an actual round table? Sitting in some nice park in Darmstadt with birds singing? A pub late at night, rough discussions and heavy drinking? Sitting in a lounge with cigars and cognac?
 
@Johannes_B Well we've not had one since I joined, so I've no idea!
@Johannes_B One reason I've been keen to get to Darmstadt is it looks like a very unusual opportunity: a chance to actually meet various people I know only by e-mail
@Johannes_B On the LaTeX team, I've only ever actually met @DavidCarlisle and Robin Fairbairns
 
9:41 AM
@JosephWright I hope to attend a meeting as well some day.
@JosephWright Haven't met any of you in person, though i am connected to quite a few through social media like github and others. Well, and Facebook.
 
@Johannes_B At least in Germany there is the possibility (various informal meetings listed by DANTE). You try getting TeX users together in the UK!
 
@JosephWright There are quite a few Stammtische here. We have our own in Freiberg, but it is not listed as an official DANTE-Stammtisch.
 
@Johannes_B You consider github as a social media? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer To some extend, yes.
 
@Johannes_B We should introduce a Like button then on github
 
9:46 AM
@ChristianHupfer Facebook: Look, cute horse. Look, nice picture of me. Ate some chicken today. vs. Github: Guys, made some programming, check it out if you want.
 
@Johannes_B Even better. We have precisely one meeting a year in the UK
 
@JosephWright Didn't went to the last one. It was announced one day in advance and i didn't read the university mails in time. The initiator promised me to announce it on d.c.t.t. next time. I will definitely see it there ;-)
 
1
Q: Question about e-TeX in TL

Igor LiferenkoIn TeX Live 2014 man etex reads: BUGS This version of e-TeX implements a number of optional extensions. In fact, many of these extensions conflict to a greater or lesser extent with the definition of e-TeX. When such extensions are enabled, the banner printed when e-TeX st...

Does my answer make sense?
I'm not quite sure if it actually answers the question!
 
10:05 AM
@JosephWright as much as the question
 
@Johannes_B Atlassian, the company behind Bitbucket amongst others, has added a number of “like” buttons to their code hosting and project management software. You can like pull request, comments etc.
 
@egreg Oh I can set the letter spacing? I have no idea. :)
 
@ArthurReutenauer Oh my.
 
@Johannes_B I’ve used it exactly once, to like a reply a colleague made to a comment by another colleague, that I found really stupid. It felt more constructive to like the reply than to try and find a nice way to say “what a stupid comment” to the other colleague ;-)
@Johannes_B Yes, as someone said, “I don’t know who thought it was a good idea”.
 
@ArthurReutenauer I very often wished for a i do not like this button.
 
10:15 AM
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[brazil]{babel}

\begin{document}
Estando para ser entregue e abraçando livremente a paixão, ele tomou o pão, deu graças e o partiu e deu a seus discípulos, dizendo:

\textsc{Tomai, todos, e comei: isto é o meu corpo, que será entregue por vós.}

Do mesmo modo, ao fim da ceia, ele tomou o cálice em suas mãos, deu graças novamente o deu a seus discípulos, dizendo:

\textsc{Tomai, todos, e bebei: este é o cálice do meu sangue, o sangue da nova e eterna aliança, que será derramado por vós e por todos, para
 
@Johannes_B Yes, me too, in various contexts.
 
@egreg: ^^ this is my current setup.
 
@PauloCereda With microtype: \textls{\scshape Words that are letter spaced}
 
@egreg ooh! Let me try.
@egreg: WOW! What a difference! Thank you thank you thank you!
 
10:45 AM
Hello! Do you know if the code of the images behind the TeX.SX logo is available? I'm interested in the sphere with spiral. Any idea?
 
@Manuel if it wasn't available you wouldn't be able to see it:-) cdn.sstatic.net/tex/img/bg-graph-top.png?v=7e4ce14d05fb
 
@DavidCarlisle I mean the code. To draw it with TikZ.
 
@Manuel ah you need one of the early joiners, there is a thread somewhere (on meta?) discussing the background. What's that Ask Question though? on my browser it looks like:
 
@DavidCarlisle Too much personal information ;-)
 
The thing is that all the rest are easy, or are on TeXample.
But I can't find the sphere-spiral.
@DavidCarlisle Wow hehe, I wonder where has the button gone.
 
10:56 AM
@Manuel I tried asking @egreg but he was no use
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle How can I ask where the "Ask Question" button is if I don't have the "Ask Question" button?
 
@yo' ooooh a paradox
 
11:16 AM
I can't find anything on meta.
Nor in the galleries of TikZ, pstricks (there's something similar, but my math mind is not enough), metapost or asymptote.
 
11:38 AM
@egreg shall I wirte Pedro Quaresma a mail regarding DCpic?
Or did you already?
 
12:02 PM
@egreg: Mind if I send you an email? :)
 
@ChristianHupfer I've deleted my comment now, too. :-) Thanks.
 
@PauloCereda No, but I think I'll read it tomorrow.
 
@PaulGessler No worries
 
@LaRiFaRi He seems to be still developing the package, so I'd say yes.
 
@egreg Will do so. Thanks.
 
12:12 PM
\begin{tidyingupmyoffice}...
 
@egreg No worries. :)
 
@PauloCereda Plagiator :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Quack. :)
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Thanks!
 
12:40 PM
@DavidCarlisle Further minimisation of LuaTeX code sent to team list
 
There haven't been any CTAN announcements on c.t.t. lately, did you notice?
 
ooh biscuits!
 
@Johannes_B Indeed
 
@JosephWright I hope not another serves is down.
 
@Johannes_B RSS looks OK
 
12:53 PM
@Johannes_B c.t.t. ?
 
@ChristianHupfer newsgroup comp.text.tex
 
@ChristianHupfer You've never heard of c.t.t?
 
14
Q: TeX.SX background to be used in a document

azetinaIs the background here at TeX.SX copyrighted? If not, does any one know about a MWE which replicates the background on the webpage? I have always been amazed at it and would like to use it as a background of a document. I did some search on the webpage and I was able to extract the .png file belo...

There it is. But sadly the code for the sphere is not exactly that.
 
@JosephWright Heard of it, but never looked on it ... I was unaware of the abbreviation
@Johannes_B Thanks
 
yo'
@Manuel indeed :(
 
1:07 PM
@yo' :( I wonder where would the original code be. Because google search (with the image) reports nothing
 
@egreg: Will you go to this year's GuIT meeting in Trento?
@egreg: I'm looking for flights from SP to Verona.
 
@DavidCarlisle It's a relief to have an Ask Question button.
 
1:30 PM
@PauloCereda I guess so.
@PauloCereda When are you coming?
@Manuel Is there one?
@PauloCereda Maybe to Venice is easier.
 
@egreg I'm looking for a range that gives me cheap prices. :)
@egreg ooh let me check.
@egreg: ooh even cheaper!
@egreg: actually, pricewise it looks the same. Is Venice a better place?
 
@PauloCereda Bigger airport and easier to reach.
 
@egreg Ah I see.
 
@PauloCereda And the view during landing is awesome, provided your seat is on the right side: the view from the left side is the industrial zone of Marghera, from the other side you see Venice, because the flight crosses the “Ponte della libertà” in the middle.
 
@egreg ooh cool. :)
@DavidCarlisle: will you go to Trento too?
 
1:43 PM
@PauloCereda Something like this
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Are you using Fedora 21? If so, are you able to update? I'm getting a problem with an unsatisfied dependency python-qt5-5.4.1-5.fc21.x86_64 needs qt5-qtbase(x86-64) >= 5.4.2 and it isn't available.
 
@egreg Wow, amazing!
@cfr Yes, this machine is F21. :) How are you updating?
 
cfr
@PauloCereda sudo yum upgrade.
@PauloCereda I'm just trying the GUI thingy from the panel to see if that does it differently.
 
@cfr hmm let me see if the package is in rawhide. Meanwhile, try yum clean all ; yum update
@cfr: This version is still in rawhide.
 
Yo
 
yo'
1:49 PM
@barbarabeeton Is it possible that a math paper from a standard journal has escaped from being indexed by MSC? sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0166218X9300116H?np=y
@Alenanno Yo!
 
@yo' Yo yo.
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Hmm... The GUI thingy succeeded, but I guess that is not doing quite the same thing. Probably they've released something they shouldn't to updates, I guess.
 
yo'
@Alenanno (Yo)*
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Thanks.
 
@cfr Quite possible. :)
@cfr Oh I did nothing, you managed to solve it by yourself. :)
 
1:51 PM
@yo' Yet another version of yo. :D
 
@Alenanno Kleene-yo. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :)
 
@yo' <3
 
cfr
@PauloCereda update doesn't work either. What does the GUI thingy do that is different from yum update/upgrade?
 
@cfr I have absolutely no idea. :(
@cfr: they probably have some "skip if broken" flag, those bastards. :P
 
cfr
1:55 PM
@PauloCereda They should listen to ducks more when designing software ;).
 
@cfr Exactly. :) Duck-driven programming. :)
 
@egreg Not for everyone, it's a luxury only a few of us have.
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Thanks for confirming it is not just a problem on my end. (My usual assumption is I screwed something up.)
 
@cfr Sometimes (rarely, actually, but it happens once in a while) packagers screw things up, maybe with a unstable version (available in rawhide) or wacky references which aren't still packed. I remember when they messed with selinux, that thingy gave me nightmares. The other two days, they released a new fix and everything was fine.
 
cfr
2:09 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, I remember getting similar errors once before but I think I found a record of the error online. This time, searching turned up nothing. They shouldn't give ducks nightmares, though.
 
@Manuel Never seen it. :-)
 
yo'
@Paulo: Exactly. :) Duck-driven programming. :) @Manuel: Not for everyone, it's a luxury only a few of us have.
 
2:30 PM
Has any of you ever seen something like this?
 
yo'
@Johannes_B is it supposed to be an accent? Or math notation? (I can imgine it as a math notation)
 
@yo' I have no idea, i asked for details. The op described it as a flat roof, or an upside down bath tub. The title of the thread mentions symbols, so math is quite possible.
 
@Johannes_B ⏠ U+23E0 TOP TORTOISE SHELL BRACKET
 
@egreg You are a genious. Do you by any chance also know a package that defines that for use with pdflatex? ;-)
 
@Johannes_B stix, perhaps, let me check.
 
2:49 PM
@egreg @yo' The OP has clarified: He is attending a lecture where it is used, typeset with Mathtype. U+23E0
 
@Johannes_B

\documentclass{article}

\DeclareFontEncoding{LS1}{}{}
\DeclareFontSubstitution{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{n}
\DeclareFontFamily{LS1}{stixbb}{\skewchar\font127 }
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{n} {<-> stix-mathbb}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{it}{<-> stix-mathbbit}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{b}{n} {<-> stix-mathbb-bold}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{b}{it}{<-> stix-mathbbit-bold}{}

\makeatletter
\DeclareRobustCommand{\reversebathtub}[1]{%
\vbox{\offinterlineskip\check@mathfonts
 
@egreg Wow. I wish i could do that in such short time.
 
@Johannes_B Been there, done that. ;-)
@Johannes_B Fully indented code
\documentclass{article}

\DeclareFontEncoding{LS1}{}{}
\DeclareFontSubstitution{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{n}
\DeclareFontFamily{LS1}{stixbb}{\skewchar\font127 }
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{n} {<-> stix-mathbb}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{m}{it}{<-> stix-mathbbit}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{b}{n} {<-> stix-mathbb-bold}{}
\DeclareFontShape{LS1}{stixbb}{b}{it}{<-> stix-mathbbit-bold}{}

\makeatletter
\DeclareRobustCommand{\reversebathtub}[1]{%
  \vbox{\offinterlineskip\check@mathfonts
    \ialign{%
@Johannes_B You can notice that there's no spurious space. /poking DPC
 
@egreg -- david has already answered. but i just want you to know that you're not alone. it has happened to me at least three times a day for the last week, and it is driving me crazy! i've finally learned to log out when i figure i won't be going back there for an hour or more, and log back in later.
 
@barbarabeeton Not much activity. :-) Did you see the report on integrals?
 
3:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle -- barbara beeton had nothing to do with it!!!!!! she would have designed a system that didn't make her crazier than she already is.
 
@Johannes_B Weise Italiener? You should know better. ;-)
 
@egreg :-p What is the best doc to do some additional reading?
 
@egreg -- yes, i did. stephen's rerun of my nasty test turned up the same problems, and one more: \idotsint isn't properly sized either. not sure yet whether the larger sizes are missing or just not "linked" properly in the math table. (need stephen to generate an id-identified font dump; i haven't got the proper tools.)
 
@egreg \ialign not \ooalign? really showing the breadth of your repertoire now.
 
3:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle Maybe I should have used \oalign, just to be forced to do some somersaults and make the code as obfuscated as possible, without going to xii style.
 
@egreg I think all those things are a bit low level and tricky for you, stick to tabu and you'll be OK.
 
@Manuel -- the way my monitor works, i can't see any of the background on the page. but is the globe-spiral the same as what's on the front cover of the tug98 proceedings (link from tug.org/TUGboat/Contents/contents19-3.html)? if so, that was done by some gust members, the same ones who work on the tex gyre fonts. definitely postscript.
 
yo'
3:30 PM
Native speakers, please help me: Is the idiom "the thousand faces of" really an English idiom?
 
@egreg That's mean. :)
 
@yo' I’m not a native English speaker, but Wikipedia alone returns a number of native-sounding results for “thousand faces”, including book and sound titles.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer but that all is "a thousand faces" with a slightly different meaning. My usage would be "The thousand faces of numeration systems" as a title for the introductory section in my thesis.
 
@yo' I’m not sure what distinction you draw between the two phrases, but “the thousand faces of” also yields plenty of results :-)
This site is about the “thousand faces of Walthamstow”: 1000faces.co.uk that’s funny.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer I tried that and I failed to find it in any dictionary of idioms, which worried me a bit...
 
3:43 PM
@yo' -- well, i can't find it using the mathscinet search. i'll report it. thanks.
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton you're welcome. I was a bit surprised, because MSC lists the journal but not the article :-)
 
@ArthurReutenauer well that's not idiomatic though: it is (I assume) 1000 pictures of faces
 
@DavidCarlisle It proves that the phrase exists - the authors clearly didn’t make it up themselves.
 
@barbarabeeton That's a beautiful one, but not the one in the page. If you look to the screen from 30 or 40 degrees from below (counting from the perpendicular) it's probable that you see it more easily (bad explanation, but Gonzalo Medina managed to understand it).
 
@egreg Fixed. And on CTAN soon.
 
3:47 PM
@ArthurReutenauer granted:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Anyway, you’re a native speaker of English, you can reply to Tom directly :-)
 
to all: Have a nice evening!
 
Apr 16 '13 at 16:27, by David Carlisle
@kan Don't learn English (especially English grammar) from an Englishman, we have no idea.
 
@Johannes_B -- only in tests of accents in the stix fonts.
 
@DavidCarlisle When I’m thinking of an expression that I think is idiomatic and I want to include it in a public document or speech, that’s usually all I need to be satisfied that I will be understood. How I will be understood is a different issue, as there can be different interpretations of absolutely any word or phrase.
 
3:52 PM
@barbarabeeton I am no math guy, i have minor knowledge of math accents and the like.
 
@Manuel -- i do understand your suggestion about looking at the screen from an angle, but it doesn't help. the settings on this monitor are all fouled up, and can't really be improved. the graphics card is a "stepchild", having been installed when the one that worked the way i want (and need) fried, and is too old to be in production any more. so everything i see is "washed out", the contrast is abysmal, but this is the only screen in the place that is big enough for what i need. sigh.
 
4:29 PM
Hey guys, can I get some help setting up a few shortcuts in a general latex file template, for example I'd like to avoid having to keep typing out
\begin{align}
blah
\end{align}
and also
\begin{align}
\begin{split}
blah
\end{align}
\end{split}
 
@bolbteppa Environments are like russian nesting dolls, keep that in mind ;-)
@bolbteppa This is something you should deal with on the editor level. Define shortcuts so your editor writes that stuff down, do not create LaTeX-commands for that.
 
haha you mean Matryoshka dolls :p
 
@bolbteppa Yep. :) Environments should be syntactically nested. :)
 
I'm not well versed in this stuff unfortunately, I know I can type dollar signs to make equations quickly, $x^2$, I'm hoping I can make 3 dollar signs be equivalent to
\begin{align}
blah
\end{align}
and 4 dollar signs to the split one, e.g. adding something to my preamble in the same way adding
\def\bF{\operatorname{\mathbb{F}}}
makes \bF come out as $\mathbb{F}$, instead of me typing \mathbb{F}
If you have latex enabled it might not show what I just typed actually :/
 
@bolbteppa short answer no, longer answer it's usually a bad idea to abbreviate environments and ams environment in particular have extra rules and constraints on how they may be abbreviated. Also don't use \def use \newcomand:-)
@bolbteppa I have latex installed on on my machine but that won't affect what happens in a web page like this.
@bolbteppa are you sure you want \operatorname there, that makes $\bF$ expand to $\operatorname{\mathbb{F}}$ not $\mathbb{F}$ ??
 
4:46 PM
I just copied what my professors model latex file had defined, I have no idea what I'm doing haha, but this page http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/13042/defining-a-command-for-amsmaths-align-environment said using
\newcommand{\eq}[1]{\begin{align*}#1\end{align*}}
will work, which it does?
 
@bolbteppa Please don't do it. And please don't think every piece of Code you find is correct.
 
@bolbteppa that works (what doesn't work for ams alignments is separate commands for begin and end) but it's a bad idea though. In particular many tex editors will know that align is a math mode environment and offer context sensitive help and colour highlighting, but if you hide that you lose those features. environment syntax is a major part of the latex syntax design, it makes little sense to hide that.
 
Okay thanks for the help on that one
Another really useful thing would be about spacing, I have a section of my notes where I want every sentence under the second word in the title, right now all I can think of doing is this:
"\section*{Bose Non-Relativistic}
\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ When
\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ When"
Is there a better way to specify the spacing without having to type all the slashes for this section of my notes? :D
 
5:10 PM
@bolbteppa There must be but aligning to a word in a title is such a weird requirement, not doing that is the first advice I can suggest:-)
 
Haha
 
home time..
 
 
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6:29 PM
@barbarabeeton What a pity.
Can someone edit my question
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Q: Recreate the sphere in TeX.SX logo

ManuelI'm trying to recreate this But looking in this Meta question the only code provided doesn't give that output %!TEX TS-program = xelatex \documentclass{minimal} \usepackage{pst-solides3d} \begin{document} \psset{viewpoint=50 20 10 rtp2xyz,Decran=50} \psset{unit=0.75} \begin{pspicture}(-5,-...

The first image seems not to be visible for many users. Can someone "darken" the first image?
To me it looks soft, but definitely visible, but I'm afraid others won't see it.
Here it is
Or if you know what has to be done, please tell me and I would try to do it myself.
 
7:04 PM
@Manuel: It's the best I could do. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, perfect!
 
7:24 PM
@PauloCereda what did you use? i tried a bit with imagemagic convert but couldn't get it that dark;-)
 
@clemens @ChristianHupfer @LaRiFaRi @mico @UlrikeFischer @esdd @otherGermanSpeakersAround Do we have the same distinction between references and bibliography (that i learned about just now) in the german language. What would it be? And what would be Quellenverzeichnis in english? blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2014/03/…
 
@Johannes_B one is "(list of) references" the other is "writings about books" (in french or latin or something)
 
@DavidCarlisle In german Bibliographie would refer to something about books as well, if i understood that correctly.
 
@Johannes_B yes google translates references and bibliography to Referenzen und Bibliographie so that must be right as its translation service is perfect
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) References is usually translated to Literaturverzeichnis :-)
 
7:36 PM
@Johannes_B helpfully google translates Literaturverzeichnis to bibliography:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I used GIMP. Brightness, contrast, then tweaking some color levels. :)
 
@PauloCereda that was what I first thought of, but apparently I haven't got it installed so I stupidly decided that I'd pretend I know what half the convert options meant, with no apparent success
 
@DavidCarlisle from ngermanb.ldf: \def\refname{Literatur} and \def\bibname{Literaturverzeichnis} Seems i was never paying any real attention.
@DavidCarlisle Or the german wikipedia entry is just buggy
 
@Johannes_B so what does the verzeichnis bit at the end mean?
 
@DavidCarlisle List basically, compare \def\listtablename{Tabellenverzeichnis} and similar for figures
 
7:43 PM
@Johannes_B ah so no real semantic difference in those two forms then just "references" or "list of references" which means basically the same thing
 
@DavidCarlisle if the mean basically the same, which i agree with, how are they translated to different things? I am a bit angry about my confusion right now.
@DavidCarlisle german wiki describes bot for Literaturverzeichnis it seems. Or it is just late and i am tired.
 
@Johannes_B I mean my understanding of the german forms is that they mean the same
@Johannes_B You could have a bibliography without any other part of a document, it's a list of works. whereas a list of references is necessarily tied to a particular document and lists works that are referenced in that document.
 
@DavidCarlisle That would be just as Bibliographie und Literatur/Literaturverzeichnis, so same.
@DavidCarlisle Looking at book and report, bot define \bibname as Bibliography, but commonly that would not be a bibliography as just defined above.
Just have Pears, 2012 (Cite them right) in front of me. Definition of bibliography: [a reference list] is not the same thing as a bibliography, which uses the same format as a refereence list, but also includes all material used in the preparation of your work.
 
@Johannes_B: A "Quellenverzeichnis" could be something where copyrights of photographs etc. are listed. I prefer the term "Literaturverzeichnis" for citing from books, journals etc.
 
7:59 PM
@Johannes_B yes there is what the words mean, and how they are used (especially how used in latex) which is a different thing. if you are using bibtex for example then \cite will by default cause a "list of refererences" to be made, but \nocite{*} will include the whole bibtex file so arguably it's no longer a list of references, but article calls it references anyway and book calls them both bibliography ..
 
@DavidCarlisle So, every APA style, no matter if LaTeX package, bibliographystyle or biblatex-style should redefine \nocite to give an error message saying CHEATER! :-)
 
@Johannes_B according to the page you linked to above it wouldn't be allowed in a published article.
 
@DavidCarlisle Exactly, my point.
 
@Johannes_B which is sort of OK for the standard classes, they are designed to be loose with markup and terminology as a real journal class is supposed to redefine things anyway. Beside which the terminology was set up in the colonies and you can't expect them to pay too much attention about which European language we stole the words from, and what those words are supposed to mean.
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't really blame the naming, but my lack in knowledge. All this stuff was really not taught during my studies.
 
8:13 PM
@Johannes_B Not sure how reliable these are, but… helpster.de/… studi-lektor.de/tipps/zitieren/…
 
@clemens The second one agrees with the arguments made above, the first one seems to be condusing things, though the example is made with LaTeX.
 
@Johannes_B the distinction (if there is one) probably also depends on the field, the journal, …
 
@clemens Probably
 
8:43 PM
Strange: if I do \newcount\i then something with the “dotless i” fails. ;-)
 
9:28 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, but with decent layout, rather then horrible monospaced garbage. (Sorry for the very, very late response.)
 
@egreg: I might at least give a Skype talk (in Italian, I will do my best, I promise). Do you think I should talk about arara or my new songbook project we are putting into production?
@Canageek: Hi! When will you travel? :)
 
@JosephWright I think you should write a unicode replacement that only uses fixed-length characters so that they are sane to parse.
@PauloCereda I fly to Europe on the 2nd. ^^
 
@Canageek ooh it's getting close! :)
 
@PauloCereda I still need to work out what I'm doing each day, and what train to take from Krakow to Prauge (I really should have done that before booking my hotels!)
 
@Canageek Oh I know the feeling. :) But everything will be alright. :)
 
9:31 PM
@PauloCereda arara 4
 
@egreg Sure thing. :) I will ask Francesco and you for help with my Italian. :) You will be proud of me. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm working on my poster right now
 
@Canageek Cool! :) I am usually terrible with posters. :)
 
I keep thinking as I fight with powerpoint "At least I'm not trying to do layout in TeX"
 
@Canageek Neat! :)
@Canageek :)
 
9:34 PM
I keep swearing to do my next poster in Inkscape then don't leave myself enough time
 
@Canageek I've been using inkscape to draw some poster for my parish and the results are quite good. Since I also have Computer Modern installed as a FreeType font, I can also fake the fonts into Inkscape. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hah. I would need to learn it, vs. having used Powerpoint for oh, ~14 years
I don't THINK I used it before grade 9, since my elementry school was on Macs
 
@Canageek Oh Inkscape is easy. :) I tried Scribus first, that one is a PITA. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yeah, but I've relayed out my whole poster today. It would take me at least that long to learn inkscape.
 
@Canageek Indeed, go in the safe route. :)
@Canageek: ^^ I did this in Inkscape, for my parish. :)
Featuring CMU Sans Serif. :)
@egreg: Look who is in the poster. ^^
 
9:42 PM
@PauloCereda I think I know him!
 
@egreg Some bloke who lives near you. :)
 
@PauloCereda obligatory snarky agnostic comment here
 
@Canageek ;)
 
@PauloCereda Just half an hour walk.
 
@egreg :)
 
 
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11:13 PM
Dammit, there are two equally good answers on this quesiton. Which do I accept? :S
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