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1:38 AM
@JosephWright The question has been asked under the name of “Nicolas Bourbaki”, which is a gem in itself. That the user has chosen to reply to himself and got downvoted immediately is also food for thought ... (I’m personally always thrown in abysses of perplexity by users who reply to themselves to say that they’ve ignored everything that’s just been said to them – what’s the point of asking, then?)
6 hours later…
7:16 AM
@ArthurReutenauer The self 'answer' looked more like a comment to me and it was a bad idea (aligning using spaces is only appropriate for verbatim material): I can understand the downvotes
1 hour later…
8:28 AM
Back to work :) No problem during vote counting.
@JosephWright I agree with the downvotes too, I was commenting on the self-answer itself. The user seems to be under the impression that it's necessary to answer with the solution he used, no matter how terrible it is. A newcomer can be forgiven for misunderstanding the Stack Exchange format ever so badly, but ignoring other people's considerable efforts to help him is rude in any circumstance.
8:59 AM
@ArthurReutenauer Did Mimi die again?
2 hours later…
10:37 AM
Second talk accepted for TUG2015: will have some fun getting them written (and fixing the code bugs!)
Programme looks good: tug.org/tug2015/program.html
@JosephWright Love the title of @egreg's talk.
@TorbjørnT. :-)
11:03 AM
I wanted to go. :(
@egreg Yes ;-) Every time!
@ArthurReutenauer Oh my god, they killed Mimi!
@ArthurReutenauer Poor girl!
(South Park crossover)
For those arriving in the Frankfurt airport. ^^
11:19 AM
What is currently the best way to use the Times font for equations? I know about txfonts (which apparently is now replaced by newtxmath). Is there anything else? I cannot use xelatex.
Some Greek letters look a little "funny" with newtxmath, so if there are alternatives I'd like to check them out.
I'd like this look:
But I'm getting this look with txfonts:
Is there a Times-like font for LaTeX which looks more similar to the first lambda?
@Szabolcs Have you tried TeX Gyre Termes?
@Johannes_B Can I use it without xelatex?
@Szabolcs You may try mtpro2 in the lite version.
@Johannes_B Just found that but it doesn't change the math mode font
11:29 AM
@Szabolcs There is a math font, but in opentype format. So XeLaTeX/LuaLaTeX is required.
Question: if one goes to Frankfurt and there is a stop over in Ethiopia (Adis Abeba), but no leaving the airport, is a visa required?
@Szabolcs This is the lambda in mtpro2
@egreg Thanks, that's what I need!
@PauloCereda It depends on the country, generally speaking. I have no personal experience of Ethiopia, but you should be able to find information on the airport’s website.
11:40 AM
@ArthurReutenauer ooh thanks, I'll take a look. :)
@PauloCereda It’s also worth checking with the airline (Ethiopian Airlines, I suppose) - if they offer connecting flights from and to distant countries they must have put the information somewhere.
@egreg @PauloCereda They’re killing her eight more times this season, that’s going to be hard work ;-) roh.org.uk/productions/la-boheme-by-john-copley
@egreg Visitors to Ethiopia require visas. The only exceptions are nationals from Djibouti and Kenya and travellers who arrive in Addis Ababa Bole International Airport to catch a connecting flight. woohoo
@PauloCereda Apparently as a Brazilian citizen you can get a tourist visa at the airport anyway, so it shouldn’t be too much trouble. addisairport.com/passenger-information
@PauloCereda Yes, but you might not need to enter Ethiopia at all, that’s why you need to check with the airport.
@ArthurReutenauer I wouldn't leave the airport, so it seems I don't need a visa. :)
11:46 AM
@PauloCereda So are you coming to Darmstadt? ;-)
@ArthurReutenauer I wish I could say that, but I need to check my piggy bank.
@PauloCereda I understand that.
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2:06 PM
A: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

omtamalIf characters were atoms, words were molecules, sentences were planets and stars, paragraphs were solar systems, chapters were galaxies... Then LaTeX would be a tool for shaping an Universe.

Can you recommend a math font match for Helvetica Neue, preferably without xelatex? (I'll use xelatex if really necessary though)
@DavidCarlisle: I had to subvert myself and install Windows XP on top of VirtualBox in my Mac. I have the two versions of arara (3 and 4/current) and both seem to work with the default Windows command prompt and the Cygwin environment using both MiKTeX and TeX Live binaries. Do you use one of them or is it any specific TL version for Cygwin? I could not reproduce the symlink error. :(
2:32 PM
@Amar Your example is huge. Really Huge.
2:43 PM
@Amar I guess the maintainer will take care of this. But on the other hand, are you sure you want to have it like this? I would suggest to write something like ...as can be seen in pages 4 and 9, as well as page II of the appendix. The other might lead to confusion.
@PauloCereda yes but they are windows binaries so would expect them to work with the windows java, I use the cygwin 64 texlive distribution
please someone tell me how to remove or decrease the whitespace between the item(shape) and its iteme, i am talking about itemize
@DavidCarlisle Interesting, I could not reproduce the issue (with Windows Java too).
@PauloCereda with the cygwin TL?
2:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh is there one?
That might be it. :)
@PauloCereda yes that's the problem as "pdflatex" in the cygwin tl is a cygwin symlink to tex (as it is in linux) but the windows java doesn't know what that is.
@PauloCereda no there are two (32 and 64 bit:-)
@DavidCarlisle I will try later on today and report back. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no! :)
@PauloCereda plus of course the old ones in the default cygwin repository :-)
@Johannes_B sorry about that .. but in order to generate at least 2+ pages in each part I needed to fill it with some dummy stuff
@Amar There is no need to really have a graphic, simply having a caption is enough. ;-)
2:58 PM
@Johannes_B I can't understand what you are talking about page 4 & 9 etc. ... because \cpageref{} is used only on page 1, which in turn refers to the figures on following pages ....
@Amar That was just an example sentence with no connection to your example.
@Johannes_B As @Mico has already suggested I have contacted Toby Cubitt via email and sent him the relevant information .. I think he is on TeX.SX .. but not very active I think .. Let's see what he has to say about this
@Amar I could have used any number See pages $\mathrm{e}$ and $\pi$, as well as page~$\infty$ in the appendix.
@fahdijbeli -- you might find some useful information in this question: Horizontal space in lists. if that's not what you're looking for, it's best to post a question on the main site with an example showing exactly what the problem is.
@Johannes_B In short, you wish the MWE was less bulky, right? I could do away with those pesky figures and \lispsum[1-3] that are repeated to get the number of pages and simple use this is a figure\label{fig:demo_1}\newpage to get the number of pages I want?
3:04 PM
Got a certificate today from DANTE
A page counter that adds an extra digit to $\pi$. Titlepage starting with 3, toc on page 3.1415, first chapter on page 3.141592. That sounds evil.
@Amar That was just my first thought wenn i saw your example.
@Johannes_B I have to have at least 1 page each from the main (arabic page numbering) and the supplementary materials (Roman page numbering) .. rest are not really needed. So, I guess I can shorten it considerably.
@JosephWright What for? Invoice for the conference? Or something to do with UK-TUG.
@Johannes_B I knew that someone might get back with similar views, which is why I have added clear demarcation of the two areas right within the code itself - 1. where the problem occurs & 2. stuff required only to generate pages and the error .. and I thought that should please anyone who thinks .. "this is bloody too long!" ;-)
@ArthurReutenauer No, though that does happen too! dante.de/index/EhrenmitgliederUndEhrenpreise.html
3:12 PM
@Johannes_B stepping out for a bit .. be back in half an hour

\Cref{main,mainA,supp} given on following pages \textendash\ \\[4pt]
\cpageref{main,mainA} and  \cpageref{supp}%see below

%Now comes the troublemaker \cpageref{main,mainA,supp}

\captionof{figure}{First SUB-FLOAT}


\captionof{figure}{First SUB-FLOAT}


\cleardoublepage%This is absolutely correct ;-)

{               % begin group
@Amar See you ^^^^^^^^
@JosephWright Oh, great! Congratulations :-) What are you going to do with the €125? ;-)
@ArthurReutenauer probably he'll donate it to other latex team members, to stop them moaning that they've never had a certificate;-)
@JosephWright By the way, i realized i am now somehow paying to help others on goLaTeX and LC and TeXwelt. :-)
@ArthurReutenauer Not sure I'll ever see the money: Till is keen to find something to spend it on as a block
3:17 PM
@JosephWright Well, that makes sense too, I think.
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@Johannes_B I'll bring the certificate to Darmstadt :-)
@JosephWright By the way, have we replied to Martin Sievers about the DVD? I’m happy to do it if needed.
@ArthurReutenauer I've replied twice now :-)
@DavidCarlisle ^^
3:22 PM
@ArthurReutenauer I sent a mail to the DANTE office when we were first asked, but he must have not seen it so I've re-sent with a CC to Martin
@JosephWright I won't be in Darmstadt :-(
Would be a nice idea though: DANTE -- TeX, LaTeX and free beer
@JosephWright OK, great. I thought it was odd.
@ArthurReutenauer They come to my house so it makes most sense for me to order them!
@JosephWright I know!
@PauloCereda much better than @JosephWright's!
3:40 PM
@PauloCereda In some fancy roast duck places in China they actually give you duck certificates after you’ve eaten a roast duck. There’s even the number of the duck you’ve eaten.
@ArthurReutenauer Odd
@barbarabeeton thanks for your reponse =)
4:02 PM
Day 4 of 5 - Delayed - Rain stopped play < seems like we get help when needed
@JosephWright -- congrats! (dante has treated at least this honorary member very well. with the initial recognition, i received an extremely beautiful and impressive book illustrating german book design -- a perfect expression of what this is all about. and they invited me to their 25th anniversary celebration in heidelberg; again, a delightful experience.)
4:26 PM
I had to log into chat to share this experience
As some of you know, I use ConTeXt to prepare presentations, so my talk stands out in academic conferences where everyone else is using beamer
After a talk last week, one of my old professors came to me and said, "Ah, I see you moved to PowerPoint. You used to have a nice beamer template."
My presentation (prepared by ConTeXt) gets mistaken as a PowerPoint presentation!!! I don't know whether to be happy or sad.
@Aditya: oh my!
@Aditya :-)
@Aditya Probably my beamer slides don't look 'typical' either, as I turn off all of the effects!
I later asked him why he thought that this was made with powerpoint. His response: You are using nice fonts!
@JosephWright You should define \__siunitx_textsuperscript:n so that it doesn't depend on \textsuperscript, because xunicode redefines it with \DeclareTextAccent
5:03 PM
Just noticed the sad Smiley @Nicola has put in the user manual of glossaries. I think biblatex would profit from a short guide as well. But then again ... what to put there?
@Aditya Well, that's definitely a worked presentation. And its nice. Personally the thing that most annoys me is the “color theme”. Being no expert in this area, just trying to understand why I don't find them pleasant, I think it's the red + blue, which are a lot vivid and they somehow “hurt my eyes”. I think you should try new colors (sorry, I can't go further in the recommendation, since I don't know what I'm talking about).
@Aditya In any case, could you share the source? I've been trying to do things in ConTeXt, but there's not much documentation (and I don't really like/understand contextgarden); and, the biggest problem, there are not a lot of document's source written in ConTeXt (I learn most from just compiling documents that I see, and then looking at the source on the interestingparts). It's being really difficult!
@Manuel: I agree that it is hard to choose a good color scheme. I have oscillated between a "bright" color scheme and a "dull" color scheme. Dull color schemes look nice on a laptop screen, but there is too little contrast when viewed on a projector. So, currently I am using a bright color scheme. This may change a month from now :-)
Here is an example of "dull" color scheme: cim.mcgill.ca/~decinfo/courses/ecse506/winter-2014/notes/… Still red and blue; but they don't "hurt the eyes" due to the dark gray background.
@Manuel: I'll clean up and share the source. Most of the ideas are here randomdeterminism.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/…
5:22 PM
@egreg \textsuperscript is a kernel command, so it should not be redefined in such a way as to break the semantics
@Aditya -- i'd like to caution you to be aware of color-blindness problems. a person who is red/green color-blind would have problems with the graphs on pages 5 and 10 of your "dull" color scheme. yellow/blue color-blindness, while not as common as the red/green variety, has also caused problems for one of my friends who suffers from it. in your first, "bright", presentation, there are some yellow panels outlined with blue, but not so it's critical.
@egreg In particular, despite the name it uses math mode, unlike say the ConTeXt implementation for superscript, which I think has to be respected (as math mode may be wrong but this has been the case for 20+ years)
@barbarabeeton: Thanks!
5:37 PM
@JosephWright Tell it to Will. ;-)
6:32 PM
@egreg -- nice idea, but he's not old enough to have had anything to do with the original definition.
@Aditya My problem with that is that my brain doesn't seem to learn fast that way. It prefers to add random dots, with no pattern, over a paper and in the end it seems to understand (similar to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointillism but with “learning”). I learn much more with actual documents where I can see many things (may be it's related to the fact that I don't really want to achieve something in particular, but learn about a general usage) rather than solutions to particular problems.
@Aditya I don't really know, but I think may be more risky colors (than red+blue) would be a nice try. For instance something that doesn't hurt my eyes is this (first thing I thought of) treesmapsandtheorems.com/pdfs/TM&Th-samplepages.pdf It's a bit more risky with oranges and gray (of course, that's not a presentation, but I mean about the colors). Thank you anyway :)
7:03 PM
What's wrong with this beamer: please
\setbeamercolor{itemize item}{fg=darkred!80!black}
\usepackage{amsmath, amssymb}
%\hypersetup{colorlinks=true, linkcolor=green, urlcolor=black}
@Johannes_B I took a look at your MWE version, it definitely does the same thing in a much smaller space. Thank you for that! Though, you missed on \usepackage{blindtext} :-p And I was glad to see you agree on at least one line from my code, the \cleardoublepage one :D .. Anyways, I think I will have to update my question and make it simpler using a version of what you've suggested.
@Amar blindtext is loaded by mwe, as well as graphicx and lipsum.
@Vrouvrou There is a whole bunch of stuff that you will never need, but there is no document to typeset.
@Johannes_B LOL I commented mwe because it wasn't being used!
@Amar The pictures are always found by LaTeX, usually i load blindtext and graphicx and use the pictures, but not mwe because it seems to be more confusing for starters. They suddenly think no package is needed for graphics.
@Johannes_B huh? You are not using any pictures in your modified example, remember? There's not a single \includegraphics line there! Only \captionof{type}{caption}.
7:17 PM
@Amar Yeah, but i could use them even without package mwe. :-)
@Johannes_B .. yes, yes .. I think I've seen an example somewhere on TeX.SX, where they find the hidden default example pics that come with TeX Live installation and use them as example images
@Johannes_B Thanks for your efforts!
@Amar No problem. :-)
7:45 PM
tcolorbox has support for arara! Wow!
8:08 PM
@egreg Indeed: I'll give this some more thought
@JosephWright I'm not sure why xunicode redefines \textsuperscript. But since it does, it becomes impossible to use \square\meters in siunitx under XeLaTeX.
@egreg Like I say, I guess I'll have to think about it
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9:13 PM
A: Biblatex (footcite) and microtype

Johannes_B % arara: pdflatex \documentclass{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage[ngerman]{babel} \usepackage[autostyle=true]{csquotes} \usepackage[backend=biber, style=authoryear ]{biblatex} \addbibresource{\jobname.bib} \usepackage{blindtext} \renewcommand*{\mkbib...

@JosephWright As it turns out, there isn't really a problem, i answered anyway, since i consider my example a bit funny. ^^^^^^
@Amar your self-answer on the caption question is very strange, why have you worded it as if you are two people?
9:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle Spooky indeed :-)
@Amar Package subcaption will happily load package caption ;-)
10:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle ^^
@PauloCereda want me to break try something?
@DavidCarlisle I actually managed to reproduce it, but I must confess it's indeed truly under peculiar circunstances. :)
@DavidCarlisle: Although Cygwin says its pdflatex is the first in the path priority, the one executed is from the Windows path. When I removed TeX from my Windows path, Cygwin started looking at his own path. :)
@PauloCereda sounds odd, the windows path is added to the cygwin path of course but at the end, normally
@DavidCarlisle It is, that's why I couldn't reproduce it.
@DavidCarlisle: The Cygwin prompt in my image shows that, under Cygwin, arara is not using a symbolic link but a call to pdftex plus the format. Now, under conventional Windows invocation (command prompt in my image), we have pdflatex. :)
@DavidCarlisle: hmm I remember there's a runtime priority in Windows, maybe Cygwin tries to respect that; perhaps a symlink has a lower priority than a binary.
@PauloCereda didn't think so, although I probably haven't go many clashing names:-)
10:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle Of course, since it's you, Cygwin apologizes. :)
@PauloCereda so now can you get biber working in 64bit cygwin
@DavidCarlisle Great, I already have a naughty bird to take care of, you want to give me a troublesome beaver. :)

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