English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:14 AM

@Robusto I've traveled to 38 countries, have lived in 4, and have spent significant amounts of time in 6. nowhere have I seen Christian fundamentalists, and nowhere have I seen such a large amount of people oblivious to the rest of the world, except in the United States. so yes, stupidity is certainly not exclusive to Americans, but these qualities are to a reasonably obvious extent.

I am, however, not factoring in undeveloped countries. and nor should I. I'm comparing the US with its peers of developed western countries.

George Pompidou

1:43 AM

ahahahaha

this show Silicon Valley is quite humorous

mike eustace

@snailboat - thank you. But aren't they when the symbol mimics the word eg $#!+ for 'shit'? or m|m for a middle finger?

I'd like to coin the term 'obfuscicon'!

Anonymous

@mikeeustace Yes!

Anonymous

They're an example of symbols replacing letters to censor taboo words :-)

Anonymous

I thought the term might be relevant

mike eustace

It's certainly relevant. Thanks. But I thought an obscenicon needed an element of mimicry, missing in s**t but apparent in $#!+

Anonymous

1:56 AM

This is where Ben Zimmer coined the term: itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003500.html

Anonymous

I don't see an element of mimicry there

mike eustace

Your'e right. Thanks a lot @snailboat

Anonymous

2:13 AM

@mikeeustace Some linguists prefer one term or the other (conversion or zero derivation) for theoretical reasons

Anonymous

Conversion might be easier to understand intuitively

Anonymous

Zero derivation is more unique as a label

SmokeDetector

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Anonymous

Derivation more generally includes non-zero derivation, adding derivational affixes like -ness

SmokeDetector

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Jez

9:06 AM

@Mitch I agree, the college system is incredibly stupid. If I'm not mistaken, you can have a situation where California Democrats get, say, 51% of the vote, but 100% of their 55 "representatives"?

oh, wait, that's the election of the president

what about election to the house of representatives; is that proportional at all?

by the way, I just decided to start using twitter. @jez9999 if anyone feels like following me.

Anonymous

Now you can tweet!

Jez

yeah

mainly about the monstrous unfairness of our electoral system.

Anonymous

Oh, I bet there's a hashtag for that

Jez

i have even joined the electoral reform society at £12/month. And I don't usually donate. But I feel so strongly about this.

yeah, there are a few.

I'm not sure how you get followers though. no-one is interested in me. :-)

not much change there then

Anonymous

I found twitter.com/hashtag/MakeSeatsMatchVotes

Jez

9:09 AM

yep

Anonymous

I'm social media illiterate

Jez

i've tweeted that hashtag a few times

and signed the petition

but basically we need to march on parliament to achieve electoral reform, it's virtually impossible

we need to make it a huge issue and people just arent interested enough.

this most recent election is the most unfair in history, so possibly that might change

shrug

Mitch

11:25 AM

@Jez right. electoral college is -only- US president. Everything else is winner take all.

@Jez for everything else, congress (senate and house of reps), governors, mayors, state representatives (in the state legislatures) etc, etc etc. It's all just one seat, one winner, so winner wins. It is identical to FPTP but its not the party that is being voted for it is the preson (in each district) so it makes sense.

Also, the US has the situation that there are really only two parties (everything else is fringe/very low percentage).

Robusto

11:50 AM

@Mitch Presidential elections are winner-take-all too, it's just that how "all" is determined differs.

RegDwigнt

I hav question about word in language english.

What does means "to hang a 90"?

Robusto

To turn right or left.

RegDwigнt

Ah okay, I sort of suspected that.

Thanks.

Robusto

Colloquially we say "hang a left up here" or the like.

RegDwigнt

I am scratching my head at the hang.

Robusto

11:55 AM

It's borrowed from surfing terminology of the '50s and '60s.

RegDwigнt

Oh.

Robusto

Because you "hang" to make a turn.

RegDwigнt

Yeah right.

Robusto

Hanging meaning an exaggerated form of leaning.

RegDwigнt

Well that's no etymology I could have guessed from the context...

> Near the beginning of the movie a family gets a flat tire in the dust-bowl corn fields of any mid-western alternate reality. The dad is played by Mud and in his alternate world he hangs a 90 and does like SEVENTY through the corn without the slightest bump, all the while deftly hacking his laptop to commandeer a nearby drone.

Robusto

11:56 AM

No, of course not. Probably most native speakers wouldn't know the etymology.

@RegDwigнt Yeah, that means he makes an unspecified right-angle turn.

The reviewer probably forgot whether it was right or left and is covering for that omission.

Another way to say it would be "he turns off the road and does like SEVENTY . . ."

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yeah, I mean, I've seen that movie in point of fact. But still wasn't quite sure.

Not in dictionaries.

I mean, I even got things like "the okies" without looking them up. But not this one.

That review is written like that on purpose, of course.

Robusto

Who wrote it?

RegDwigнt

One ruskin-462-304151 from Portland, OR.

Robusto

mm

RegDwigнt

> After stealing the drone, Mud decides that he must leave his kids to prove to their uppity teacher that NASA really did go to the Moon. He is chosen by Alfred to blast off with Catwoman in a reasonably 20th century 3-stage rocket that will eventually dock with an incredibly advanced 22nd century space station/rocket-ship. After leaving Earth, they need no longer adhere to primitive Earth technology. Now they can do anything that already ever happened on Star Trek, including Cryo-Sleep.

> When they wake up feeling refreshed they head for a cool wormhole that Stanley and Alfred told them about. They are hoping to find a new planet for all the okies to go to, at least that's Plan A. There is a Plan B but it's sub PC and is not going to work for Mud who is all about hurrying on up back to Earth so he can save everyone.

You get the drift. That's the style.

Robusto

12:00 PM

Yeah. Gonzo journalism meets illiteracy, kind of.

RegDwigнt

I must say it fits the film under review perfectly.

Gonzo filmmaking meets monster budget.

Robusto

I believe the "hang" trope has been fully absorbed by the X-Games aficionados.

They probably don't even know where they got it.

RegDwigнt

Good thing no dictionary has it, then.

Welcome to Wiktionary, where no X-Games aficionado has set foot before.

Robusto

Here's a variation of the idea:

Hang Ten

Hanging Ten is a surfing maneuver. Hanging ten is when the surfer positions the surfboard in such a way that the back of it is covered by the wave and the wave rider is free to walk to the front of the board and hang all ten toes over the nose of the board. Usually this can only be done on a heavy longboard. Hang Ten can also refer to a skateboard move called Hang Ten Nosemanual or to a BMX flatland move. It can also refer to when a basketball player dunks the ball and hangs onto the hoop. == References... ==

That was an extension of the original idea of hanging a turn.

RegDwigнt

Oh I see your game now, Wiktionary, "hang ten" is a thing and so is "hang five" but no "hang a 90", thanks but no thanks.

Robusto

12:04 PM

Yeah, "hang 90" is one I've not actually heard before, but I knew immediately what it meant and how it got there.

RegDwigнt

But anyhows, I think I'll be resuming the perusal of them IMDb writeups.

Oh, another thing I did have to look up was HVAC.

I didn't know those things had a name.

Robusto

Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning

RegDwigнt

Yup.

It was clear from context what he meant, but not what the letters stood for.

> Gotta say more here about Mud's robot chum as he is remarkable with a fingerprint smeared body consisting of multiple swinging HVAC ducts that can navigate through zero gravity, run across boulder fields, and even walk on water, not to mention rescue damsels while carrying on charming banter with a voice socially engineered to be annoying.

Robusto

Yeah. Lotsa little shit that everybody in a culture knows but outlanders have to puzzle about.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well, tellya what, outlanders don't have them ducts.

Robusto

12:07 PM

Some do.

RegDwigнt

I have no idea how anything gets ventilated on this continent. But ducts it is clearly not.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt 7 : to make (a turn) especially while driving <hang a right> <hung a quick U-turn — Tom Clancy

RegDwigнt

@Mitch sorry, when I need to look up "hang a 90", looking up "hang" makes about as much sense to me as looking up "90" or "a".

Mitch

I know.

RegDwigнt

I am certain somewhere in the entry on "90" I would have got some clues, too.

Mitch

12:08 PM

'hang a louie' means 'turn left'

RegDwigнt

But I'm not going there, because I'm just like that and all.

Mitch

You should go there. I wouldn't want to live there but a nice place to visit

RegDwigнt

I would go there for $3000.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt the defintion for 'a' doesn't have it. (writing letter now)

RegDwigнt

For an additional $1000, I will hang a louie and go there pronto.

@Mitch preposterous.

Mitch

12:10 PM

@RegDwigнt mmm... pronto beans. fast food.

RegDwigнt

Fasten your food belts.

The corn belt especially.

Which reminds me, I am off to read IMDb again.

Mitch

'IMDB' is not in the definition of 'off'. What you're doing is not proper.

But it is in the definition of 'I', which I am.

RegDwigнt

I think, therefore you're not.

Matt E. Эллен

1:06 PM

I am therefore you think

Anonymous

I don't know if I'd've understood hang a 90 out of context

RegDwigнt

Apparently this particular number is an occasionalism, and so is sorta made for the context.

I also think the author's motivation was not, as @Rob suggested, forgetting the direction the turn was in (which is irrelevant anyway), but rather stressing how acute the angle was. "He turns off the road and does like SEVENTY" doesn't have the same zing as "he hangs a 90". Maybe "he makes a sharp turn", but that still doesn't quite cut it.

Indeed, the way I remember the scene, he was already driving 70, with the flat mind you, when he went off the road in a sharp angle.

Really reckless moviemaking, if you ask me, what with his 10-year old girl in the passenger's seat, and neither of them fastened.

IMA SPACE KOWBOYYYY HURRRRRRR

Matt E. Эллен

1:27 PM

90 is to the right, 270 is to the left. unless you're facing backwards

RegDwigнt

The way physics works in this movie, 90 is to the up, and 270 is to a Möbius band next to a black hole with Matt Damon in it.

Matt E. Эллен

Matt Damon!

RegDwigнt

I think at one point they literally explain a Möbius band without twisting the piece of paper.

I don't remember for sure. I try to forget.

Matt E. Эллен

that's clever

RegDwigнt

And explaining the wormhole is lifted frame for frame from Event Horizon.

Really, why the fuck is it not I who makes millions writing this crap?

Matt E. Эллен

1:29 PM

because you're not writing it

RegDwigнt

I could write crap all day long. And even for just half a million.

@MattE.Эллен give me half a million and I'll get started now.

Matt E. Эллен

I don't have half a million. you need to ask the right people :D

RegDwigнt

I don't think "right" is a word that applies to those people by any stretch of imagination.

Even if it's imaginary 5D imagination imagined by a Hollywood script writer.

Matt E. Эллен

lol

maybe get a loan from the mafia

RegDwigнt

I'd rather follow up on that offer from Mr President Doctor Ndogo Mbebe.

Mitch

1:33 PM

@MattE.Эллен Ya think?

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch Maybe. I'm in a bit of a flux

Mitch

@RegDwigнt 5D? Pfft, Apple is already on 5.1

@MattE.Эллен What a mess.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch imagine greater.

No wait, that's SyFy.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt my imagination stops there and turns around and goes home.

RegDwigнt

Mitch

1:34 PM

Reality is making dinner for him.

RegDwigнt

A great logo, and if you click on it it gets greater. Imagine that.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt The Syfy channel sound like an excellent idea. Then it turns out not.

@RegDwigнt refuses to click

RegDwigнt

@Mitch yeah Syfy doesn't even cover anything the History channel doesn't.

Mitch

You should see the thing The Learning channel doesn't cover. They're wonderful!

RegDwigнt

The Unlearning channel.

Mitch

1:36 PM

I learned not to watch it.

RegDwigнt

"Here's how fucking magnets really not works."

Mitch

except for Strange Tales From the Emergency Room

RegDwigнt

I have no Clooney what the heck you're alluding to.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt "How Blankets Work, Part II"

@RegDwigнt Embarrassing things that bring people to the emergency room.

You learn how not to be embarrassed at the most embarrassing things.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch is that the part about using them to transfer virulent diseases to the indigenous population?

RegDwigнt

1:39 PM

No, that's South Park.

Again. History Channel.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I'm not alluding. I'm telling. Don't stick your hand in fire. It just pisses off the bear.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch sometimes it pisses off the bear, other times the bear pisses off it.

Mitch

I know! But bears don't know how to write, so it's not as cool as you think.

RegDwigнt

It doesn't matter how cool I think them to be, it only matters how cool they think of themselves.

Mitch

And if they wear a bandanna and shades.

RegDwigнt

1:42 PM

Cuz it only takes a paw to the jaw for there to be one person less left to think them not cool.

Mitch

And if they are an astronaut.

RegDwigнt

Astronaut bears are of course the coolest.

It's minus 152 on the back side of the Moon.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt skull crushing skills are overrated.I mean, get a real job

RegDwigнt

@Mitch they are only overrated until the skull in question is yours.

Matt E. Эллен

Austroknot

RegDwigнt

1:43 PM

Then suddenly you start talking about values and offering lots of money.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Astronaut bears wearing a Dora the Explorer mini backpack. with a juice box.

RegDwigнt

Nonono, pedobear is happy staying here on this soil.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt What's the value proposition?

RegDwigнt

It uses to go to eleven.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен The rabbit comes out of the hole first before going around the tree trunk

RegDwigнt

1:45 PM

Oh I see we're talking palsteks here.

Mitch

All this conversation is reminding me I need a snack.

RegDwigнt

Except I learned it with a snake and a well.

And I learned it in Hamburg, so apparently I am better than you.

Mitch

Just out of curiosity, does milk and grape juice go good mixed together?

Matt E. Эллен

sounds terrible

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Oh. Huh. Al these years I've been doing it the Australian way.

RegDwigнt

1:49 PM

I don't know, but I have a colleague who drinks milk in his Coca Cola.

@Mitch Australians are crappy sailors. It's been five thousand years and they are still stuck on their desert island.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Oh. um.

@RegDwigнt It's like people build big boats to leave some perfectly nice place, go to Australia, then forget.

If you get my drift

Which they obviously didn't

RegDwigнt

Grape juice has them acids. Them acids makes them milk spoiled. Drink if you're Mongolian and the milk is from a horse. Otherwise, GTFO.

@Mitch yeah as I was saying, Don't Learn From Australians.

For that matter and more to the point, Don't Unlearn From Australians.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I've already got that covered. I'm watching the Australian Learning Channel

@RegDwigнt You seem to have a lot of matters and points. Are you some kind of physicist

RegDwigнt

Learn from me when you're not wrong, and I'll be your friend, I'll help you carry on.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I get my milk from purple cows. If you let it sit out too long, you get curdled grape cheese. Goes well with a Chianti

RegDwigнt

1:55 PM

Pfft. Chianti goes well with everything.

Careful though, these don't give milk, they give some milka shit.

Mitch

Chianti doesn't go well with TLC. A blow to the head would be better.

RegDwigнt

One of the three TLC girls did get a blow to the head, using a frigging airplane. Talk about overdoing.

Mitch

There's some cheese from some Mediterranean island (it's considered a delicacy) that's made from the pink hippo milk

RegDwigнt

Oh so that's how you get casu marzu.

Mitch

TLC girl? is that like Obama girl but with a Bigfoot t-shirt?

Casu Marzu? I hardly knew her!

RegDwigнt

1:59 PM

@Mitch What are you, a ten-year old?

TLC (group)

TLC is an American girl group whose repertoire spans R&B, hip hop,pop, funk and new jack swing. TLC originally comprised singer Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins, rapper Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes (until her death in 2002) and singer Rozonda "Chilli" Thomas. The group was very successful in the 1990s and early 2000s in spite of numerous spats with the law, each other, and the group's record label and management. Billboard magazine ranked TLC as one of the greatest musical trios. Between 1990 and 2002, the group had ten Top 10 US singles, four of which went to number one; four multi-platinum albums; and won five...

Mitch

@RegDwigнt ha ha, worse. I haven't even heard of not hearing of TLC yet.

RegDwigнt

Sit down then, and I will tell you of Elvis.

He even had more than ten Top 10 US singles. Imagine that.

I'd tell you about Michael Jackson, but we've not the time.

Mitch

2:23 PM

What if I'm already sitting down? Should I lie down?

RegDwigнt

2:44 PM

0

A: Plural or Singular After a List of Items

When the particular password contains one upper and one lower case letter, the word use would be letter (singular form). If that particular passwords contains more then either one upper or lower case letter, it will become letters (plural form).

So that is the best answer. To the most basic question.

I am sad.

Mitch

3:27 PM

Perk up. ELL gets worse best answers to even basicker questions.

Also, I'm sure people are dying painfully elsewhere in the world.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Still, "hangs a 90" is problematic because it is going to get reduced in the mind immediately to a simple turn, losing its orthogonal properties. And, of course, calling attention to itself. Less than great writing, imho.

@Mitch Ooh, me too. But my mouth is still numb from the dentist so food would just fall out of it.

rahstame

@MattE.Эллен Thank you

Mitch

@Robusto my recommendations, apple sauce or tapioca. Oh oh! Rice pudding!!

Here's one thing I sadly have to disrecommend: Nutella. Pulls the new fillings right out. gets stuck in all those crannies that are not supposed to be filled in.

Robusto

3:49 PM

I don't eat Nutella. It's more of an adhesive, or an automotive body filler.

Mitch

Hi tech spackle, set to diamond hardness with a simple UV light.

Cerberus

4:49 PM

Hello.

I have seen three starred comments that were removed by moderators.

All three were by George and critical of America.

Who did that?

Some had more than one star.

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Matt E. Эллен

5:25 PM

@Cerberus it could have been you! I believe room owners can unstar things, too.

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен Yes, they can, that's right.

But I didn't do it!

That was unexpected, huh?

Matt E. Эллен

yes. I expected a confession

Cerberus

I meant UKIP and all.

3.8 million votes, 1 seat...

And Cameron!

Man.

Matt E. Эллен

yeah. very strange that so many people would vote for UKIP

I don't really get the conservative win, either. they're clearly going to screw over anyone who voted for them who's not in the 1% of earners in the country

Cerberus

They have cleverly coupled low taxes with a fear of immigrants and crime, something like that?

Matt E. Эллен

5:31 PM

yeah, I guess. people are so dumb

Cerberus

Uhuh.

Matt E. Эллен

time to commute!

Cerberus

Then again, socialists often turn into decadent profiteers once their buttocks touch the plush!

Bai!

Mitch

@Cerberus What if you're a 1% immigrant?

May 6 at 16:49, by Mitch

People are stupid.

@Cerberus That's all it takes is a nice seat cushion?

Cerberus

@Mitch Then you may be good.

@Mitch Yes, so it seems.

Mitch

5:39 PM

turns up dial on chair cushion machine

Cerberus

Aka throne.

Mitch

6:06 PM

Dangit turns dial on chair cushion machine back down. turns up on throne machine

wait... is throne a euphemism for toilet? which is a euphemism for commode? which is a euphemism for privy? which is a euphemism for water closet? which is a euphemism for 'dressing room for liquids'?

user31415

"Not only do you get more money, but you also get more fame." What is the role of 'do' here? My teacher doesn't want to agree it should be there, unless to express the sentence emphatically.

George Pompidou

wow. I feel like I just had a pleasant interaction with a bee.

it comes out of nowhere, starts harassing me, and I freak out. but then it goes over to the window and just buzzes around there. so I went and opened the window and it backed up and then just flew out nicely.

thank you, bee. I am glad we could come to this agreement which works out well for the both of us.

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes.

@user31415 It should be there.

The reason is that it is a negation, not, and there is inversion.

The inversion is probably the main reason for do here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:25 PM

To leave out the do you'd write You not only get more money, but...

actually, hm.

I don't like the but there

> You not only get more money, you get more fame

> Not only do you get more money, but you also get more fame

> Not only do you get more money, you get more fame.

> Not only do you get more money, you also get more fame.

Cerberus

I think the but is permissible.

But perhaps also alone is better.

George Pompidou

You not only rob the jewelry store, you tell them make me a grill.

Not only do you rob the jewelry store, but you also tell them make me a grill.

Cerberus

No comma, no quotation marks?

Nor even a colon?

George Pompidou

6:49 PM

I can't stop laughing at what the Germans call sloths and platypuses

Faultier und Schnabeltier

pahahaha

crl

7:10 PM

Do you say "let something get rot" or "let something rot"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the latter

crl

oh, thanks, I guessed it wrong

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How is the Moto X? Do you miss your Nexum?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I have a Nexus 5

Cerberus

Huh, oh.

I misremembered.

Do you miss your Nexum 4?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:25 PM

yeah I tried to buy the moto X.

No, the N5 is better than the 4.

Cerberus

Good, good.

Our phones are almost the same now.

People might mistake us for twins.

Or triplets, with Rob.

crl

Are you rather for potatoes/mosquitoes or potatos/mosquitos? my spell-checker is for the first

well seems like the first are more used

hmm there were 2 peaks of mosquitoes during the world wars

Cerberus

> XCOM for €3: greenmangaming.com/s/nl/en/pc/games/strategy/xcom-enemy-unknown

crl

the only shooter game I ever played is doom

well a bit of call of duty too

George Pompidou

hahaha, duty.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:38 PM

I miss the sparkly glass back of the n4, but the n5 feels thinner and easier to hold. But the n4 was much prettier.

Cerberus

I see.

I have to say I find neither phone particularly good looking.

I also have to admit that I find the new Edge <gasp> good looking.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah it's pretty

but so expensive

for a few extra pixels

Cerberus

Far too expensive.

And vulnerable.

No extra pixels, if you ask me.

Uselessness.

Just looks.

But perhaps I will buy it in two years, when it will be affordable.

No need to have the latest phone any more.

George Pompidou

@Cerberus samsung design is atrocious

it looks like they half assed the whole thing in half an hour

and hired a team of middle schoolers to do it

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, I am hoping that a new phone comes out soon that meets my needs and is actually available for sale in Canada. My wife is getting more and more frustrated with her phone and she'll soon demand the n5 from me, at which point I have to buy myself a new phone.

George Pompidou

7:50 PM

imore.com/difference-apple-samsung-industrial-design

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou Up until the new Galaxy S6, I agreed with you.

George Pompidou

I linked you to why the S6 is also bad.

it's just careless. you're paying a premium for someone who wasn't attentive to detail.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How unfortunate you are. I know how much it sucks to be allowed to pick out a new phone.

George Pompidou

lols @ Canada

that is our hat.

Mr. Shiny lives in our hat.

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou I'm sorry, but that is kind of BS.

Apple has dull designs.

Samsung now has some nice designs.

George Pompidou

7:52 PM

how can you even say that? it is showing you how careless the design is in pictures

Cerberus

Why is that relevant?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> Is it worth the effort? For me, as a customer, knowing that Apple had the consideration and took the time and effort to align their hardware speaks to the overall quality of their work. It reassures me that the same consideration and effort were likely spent making sure not a millimeter nor milliamp of battery space was wasted, not a nanometer of die, not a gap left around the screen, or a dead zone in the capacitive sensor.

Cerberus

I have seen Iphones with minor flaws too btw.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Wow, total logical fallacy there

George Pompidou

why is it relevant that they're charging you the same price for something done more quickly and haphazardly?

it looks like it's some cheap made in China thing.

nothing is paid attention to

Cerberus

7:53 PM

They come from very similar factories in China, with the same parts too.

The S6 looks perfectly fine, not haphazard at all.

George Pompidou

sure, but one had a competent team of careful people pay attention to every detail. and the other clearly didn't; just look at the pictures

they even drew lines so you can see how careless it is

Cerberus

Besides, who would trust an Apple fan site?

George Pompidou

not me, for sure.

but I do trust a picture, are you saying they photoshopped it?

Cerberus

Nonsense, it's probably the same semi-suicidal Chinese people working in both factories. At least Samsung has some factories in Korea...

Why should I care about the alignment of a sticker?

George Pompidou

yes, but there's a clear difference. Apple has expectations and good design and attention to detail. clearly Samsung doesn't, as shown by the pictures.

not the sticker, man, are you blind?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:55 PM

@GeorgePompidou those lines don't prove anything. They don't demonstrate any increase in quality beyond what the most OCD person would notice. I have never once looked so closely at the edge of my phone and wondered at the placement of the various holes.

George Pompidou

or did you click on the wrong link or something?

Cerberus

I glanced at the pictures, noticed nothing out of the ordinary.

George Pompidou

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 then you are not attentive to detail.

Cerberus

Again, I have seen various Iphones with minor flaws.

George Pompidou

to me, Samsung didn't put as much care into their design process as Apple. that's what those pictures show.

Cerberus

7:56 PM

There is no significant difference in the quality of the exterior.

George Pompidou

their shit's cheap, to put it colloquially

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou Now that this issue has been pointed out, I am looking at my phone and wondering why I should care about the alignment of the various things.

George Pompidou

I have said several times why.

because it shows that they weren't attentive to detail.

Cerberus

My phone is all black. It has nothing to be aligned.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou To me, Apple spent too much time futzing with the placement of holes and not enough time improving their software ecosystem.

George Pompidou

7:57 PM

and that they weren't careful

Cerberus

I don't care about that. I care about a phone that looks good, is durable, and capable.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou Or that they decided to spend valuable engineering time on more important things.

crl

beer!urban fuzting

@crl No definition found for fuzting

George Pompidou

their software ecosystem provides for better UX across the board, and that's not just my opinion, rather the consensus of most publications, polls, and technology enthusiasts.

Cerberus

Samsung's latest phones look better, are the opposite of durable (like all smart phones), and are more capable than Appel's phones.

Yes, the most important thing is that Android is far superior.

George Pompidou

7:59 PM

Apple spends time futzing about everything. that's why they always show up late to everything, and usually have better products.

other companies try to crank out products at lightning speed and end up with shitty shit.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou Funny, that's not the consensus of most of the publications, polls, and tech enthusiasts I follow.

crl

they do futz way too much

George Pompidou

then you are oblivious to reality. iOS UX is much much better.

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