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6:02 PM
I wondered if the warning isn't just a decay to below 0 stars.
 
ace
From the Anime chatroom seems like there's a raider in there as well
so probably isn't them
 
one raider
not the 5-6 bots we have here
 
ace
currently we only have one
 
it's hard to catch, but look at the restart count right at the end of a round
the bots pump them all in at the end
sometimes you don't even see it
 
ace
jeez now they're raiding
 
6:05 PM
they have been
 
bet its anime doing it
trying to make us not beat them again
5 raiders
 
ace
what's with voting to ask now?
 
The askbots are rekting our site
 
You guys seem to really be having problems with bots.
 
Thanks for letting us know while raiding us ^.^
 
6:11 PM
I'm not raiding you guys.
I actually came to help.
 
oh, but we are totally screwed right now
 
Well really, destroying the game by using all the flags is easier than with restart, because you only need the vote to pass once, and you get other people's errant flags to help you sometimes.
 
ace
oh ffs
 
Don't assume the worst ಠ_ಠ
 
I'm just suprised the people calling us cheaters didn't think of that sooner.
 
6:13 PM
I have to confess that yesterday (before this got really ugly) I wrote a bot that would vote to restart.
After later learning that this was against the rules (and common sense returned to me) I realized it was a really bad idea.
I think this game could have been fun if "gaming the system" was part of the design. Bot vs. bot.
 
Is this the only site that still has active raids against it? Or are people being jerks everywhere...
 
ace
And you call yourself a moderator? (I don't mean to be rude, but this just surprises me)
 
ours is the only
 
I have no idea. Ask Ubuntu was getting a few restarts at one point.
@ace I'm not a Code Golf mod.
 
here's the strategy - anime is 2 ahead of us and they are now dedicating all their bots to keep that distance
 
ace
6:16 PM
@NathanOsman I know, but I never expected any person on the StackExchange network to do that
any reputable person*
 
But their strategy is to deny everything instead of being open about it. Seems to be working for them :P
 
There were other moderators doing it as well. I'm not defending what was going on, but nobody thought the reaction to what we considered "in good fun" was going to look like this.
 
My only complaint about the design, honestly, is that Restart shouldn't have been part of the pool of items randomly picked in the event of a tie.
1v1 someone shouldn't be able to restart your game.
 
@KevinStricker yeah. they even claim that they are not running their bots for winning the game but for defending restart bots. They have just 1 person restarting vs 9 bots
haha lol
 
I wonder why that got flagged...
 
6:19 PM
Flagging us has turned into a sport since yesterday I think ;)
 
Yes, true.
 
I'm surprised I haven't had one validated on me yet.
 
Anonymous
Assuming Anime are the only ones botting you and downvoting you is a little bit unfair to them, considering the number of negative responses you got on MSE from non-Anime users.
 
Sorry I didn't decline that. I'm off to the dentist :/
 
I'm not sure if anime are the ones downvoting us
 
6:20 PM
@NathanOsman Could you please un-suspend Optimizer? I don't think he deserves a 30-min ban here.
 
@KevinStricker I tried to mark it invalid but wasn't fast enough.
 
Even if they are, I definitely don't think they're the only ones doing it.
 
@ProgramFOX Certainly.
 
there's just no denying the fact that anime is the most developed in terms of the bots they admit to using
and they miraculously haven't been slammed by griefing bots
 
thanks
 
6:21 PM
@NathanOsman I'm just saying I would have tried but I stood upto tie my shoe, lol.
 
Done.
 
oh I got unbanned ?
 
Yesh.
 
@Runer112 -_-
 
ace
Now I have to ask: What did Optimizer say?
 
6:21 PM
didn't know its possible
 
@Runer112 oh but we have, several times even
 
but SE has sure shown that its a free country !
 
we just have a moderator that deletes those sockpuppet users
 
@Runer112 That's because I'm annihilating socks before they get the chance.
 
^^^^
 
6:22 PM
yup
 
then why do you even run vote bots
 
because we don't hurt anyone by doing so
and because we can
 
@Runer112 cuz
game
 
(speaking for myself, others may have other thoughts about this)
 
playing
 
6:23 PM
I've made it adamantly clear I have other thoughts about it
 
<-- wasn't aware we're using vote bots :o
 
they don't matter, though
 
I definitely do whatever I want, but griefing others is not what I like to do :p
 
@MadaraUchiha anime has basically been 100% vote bots for most of its wins
literally no human part in many of their eggs
 
I dunno about that...
 
6:23 PM
@Runer112 no
 
@Unihedro yes
 
@Runer112 disagree
 
I mean real people devised that algo…
 
@Runer112 given that I've been actively participating in many of the eggs, and I don't have a vote bot, it kind of proves you wrong.
 
Hakase doesn't seem to be denying it
 
6:24 PM
yes, automations are the future
if you're for breaking all machinery and for manual labor, I pity you openly
 
We're for fair play.
 
machines have their place
this isn't one of them
 
@Runer112 although, bots don't really hurt anyone else (if anime were to make a bot to restart other sites I'd be worried)
 
we've seen how fair play plays out, so we had to defend ourselves with bots after a while
 
they certainly hurt the morale of any other site looking at the leaderboard
 
6:25 PM
Also, I doubt the code is private, or that anime users are the only ones using it.
 
@NathanOsman bots != unfair
 
"everyone's doing it" isn't a valid defense
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and I contest that anyone else is doing it
 
Does it even matter at this point? Any of it?
 
yes
 
of course it does
internet points
 
6:26 PM
some people are upset
 
@Runer112 that's not the defense
 
that is the main problem
 
@Unihedro According to whom?
 
@Geobits You can preserve your sanity and step out..
 
If there's anything I've (re)learned over the past 30ish hours, it's that some people are going to be upset no matter what.
 
6:27 PM
My productivity is at an all time minimum this week because of this egg game
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same
 
oh god
 
I only hope these people will learn to quit early instead of getting even more upset about fake internet points.
 
and I want my lack of productivity to count for something dammit :p
 
oh some bot used a flag
 
6:28 PM
Cute.
 
@user23013 how can you tell it was a bot? :p
 
@Runer112 I know for a fact that our users aren't the only ones automating, because we have the same single vote for restart in the past 12 hours or so
 
do we not expect that real people play this anymore?
 
one? boo hoo
we have like 5 bots griefing us
 
You know what would make this more balanced/unfun?
Captcha.
 
6:29 PM
note that you also have all your "real" votes unanimously go for the same thing every time
 
@Runer112 not to sound annoying, but you kind of brought this on yourselves, you know...
 
but it's not like we raised more meta attention on that "no more fun" thread
 
because that's what bots do
we brought raiding on ourselves, perhaps
 
Bots gonna... no idea what bots do
 
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
6:29 PM
but certainly not botting
 
Bots gonna take over the world and go back in time to kill your mother? :S
 
Real troll bots would restart this forever.
Or start9... erhm... do nothing
 
@xfix That's generally what happens if we have less than 4-5 users actively voting.
 
anarchy
 
I don't claim they're all bots, but it's pretty consistently the same amount of "people".
 
6:32 PM
Bots are people too.
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They'd be much more effective if designed as a PPCG challenge, though.
 
I claim that at least 5 of the votes in every anime round are bots
5 of the good votes, that is
 
@Runer112 I may or may not be one of those persistent bots who react to a monitor and click buttons.
2.30 am. Bye.
 
In Stack Exchange Russia, hot networks question you! — Adam Davis 32 mins ago
@Geobits will like this ^
 
I dislike this.
 
6:34 PM
anime_user: "I should make a bot that upvotes every actual thing I post to stackexchange"
that's legit, right?
 
Not sure if sarcastic.
Might need more tags.
 
sure I'll tag it
 
Should be moved to Sarcasm.SE
 
Off-topic first-world rant: There are far too many people in here whose names start with 'r'. Autocomplete list is too long.
 
<- doesn't start with r
 
6:36 PM
there we go, edited to be more accurate
since apparently using bots to vote for what you want on stackexchange is how they roll
 
@Runer112 the people raiding you don't seem to be bots
Their numbers change constantly.
 
@Unihedro nobody said bots == unfair, using bots to raid others is unfair, even more than raiding others manually
 
I was referring to anime's upvote bots, actually
 
@Optimizer I agree with you wholeheartedly.
 
@MadaraUchiha the minimum number is fixed
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6:38 PM
stopping bot since there seems to be someone always voting ask... and I'm then adding to them
 
@Optimizer You had 1 a couple times already...
 
@MadaraUchiha they do it at the very last second , so you wont notice with naked eyes sometimes
 
@rcrmn lol @Runer112 you were saying?
 
2 mins ago, by Runer112
since apparently using bots to vote for what you want on stackexchange is how they roll
 
As I say in TPP, trolling manually is fine, trolling with bots is evil.
 
6:39 PM
Trolling is generally bad...
 
I would love to go on an all on organized trolling in the last few hours of this game . Anyone in ?
 
no
 
come on, its april fools
 
@Optimizer Really...?
 
(or whatever its called)
 
6:41 PM
@Optimizer What exactly did you have in mind?
 
@Geobits really to which line ?
 
You could use the last moments to ally people and help them out even though the time isn't enough for them to take over your crowns.
 
That's all fun and games, But I hope I don't need to explain what happens to IPs with multiple destroyed accounts.
 
@Optimizer The organized trolling.
 
@Unihedro dude, we have helped more than 5 SE to strategies
 
6:42 PM
Take that into consideration, because I know I won't, and I know a lot of other mods won't either.
 
and many others have been influenced too
 
@Optimizer great
 
@Unihedro I still see that negative opinion towards PPCG, even after so much we are facing
@Geobits I don't want to get chat banned again by saying it out loud here
and apparently, not admitting strategy really works out
 
7 hours ago, by Unihedro
Let me precede by thanking everyone from Arqade and PPCG for putting together the metagames which attracted attention to other sites and set up some spectacular drama that made everybody's time worthwhile.
 
Here we go again...
 
6:45 PM
Okay.
 
Nathan, are you diagonal?
 
Am I what?
 
Nevermind :-/
 
D.
 
6:46 PM
Another bad joke
 
I got the joke at least :p
I think
walks away
 
@Optimizer You won't be chat banned as long as you follow the "be nice" code of conduct.
 
ace
FFS i'm staying up at 2am clicking buttons (instead of watching anime which I usually do at this time) and my night gets ruined by people from anime.se
 
@Unihedro walks away diagonally
 
You got banned last time for "What a bunch of hypocrits"
 
6:47 PM
@ace It was the other way for me yesterday... Now it's this other way...
 
@ace I'm sorry we ruined your night, but no one is forcing you to be up at 2am and click buttons.
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ace
@MadaraUchiha My goal is to have fun. And clicking buttons was fun, yesterday, when these restart bots were not here
 
@ace As far as I know, these restart bots did not come from Anime & Manga
 
I don't know who is doing it.
 
guys, main rule of fun: if something is not fun and you don't have to keep doin it, then you should stop doing it
common sense rules
 
6:50 PM
it was fun
 
People from CR are ticked that you are being attacked now, even the one who posted on Meta yesterday.
 
until I was playing against mindless machines
 
Let's face it: everyone who is still clicking on the restart button is not representing a site. They are solo.
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@ace my lowly opinion is to reconsider your priorities and do something else, or if the resetting is becoming a problem, play solo on another site.
 
CR is pretty slow, it is almost solo.
I bet Woodworking is slow.
 
6:51 PM
lol
2
 
Code Review.
 
:D
 
@Rainbolt I have to bank in on this one. Extremists they are indeed.
 
People actually are reviewing code on code review.
2
 
I've learned a lot there.
 
6:52 PM
Some people just want to watch the world burn. ;)
@Compass shock.
I hope Stack Overflow doesn't keep crashing for that exception.
 
On Code Golf, half of everything is Brainf___
 
I got crashed on three different sites before I was able to peacefully vote my way to an Internet on Sustainable Living. What's funny is that these people were honestly trying to help by voting for the lowest stat.
 
inb4 anime conversations invade the 19th byte
 
Woodworking was one, Sharepoint got crashed, Beer got crashed, and finally Sustainable Living did the trick.
 
ace
To me, the point of this game is to succeed something as a community to achieve something
 
6:53 PM
They want more BF over on CR, you just need to write it good, with reasonable comments. Golfing isn't allowed, because golfed code isn't optimal for production environments.
 
ace
It is pointless to play solo
 
in Maid Café (メイド喫茶), 2 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
If there is anyone who's currently running a bot to restart Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, please stop now.
I encourage everyone here to follow that policy, despite Anime might be the nemesis
 
@ace It is actually quite peaceful.
I did it mostly solo on CR last night.
 
@ton.yeung Maybe
but it's important
 
of course, telling people in anime to stop restart bots is quite pointless
because if the bots suddnely stopped, that would heavily imply it was actually them
 
6:55 PM
oooooh
 
so if they were doing it, their best bet would be to stick to their guns
 
OMG
 
@Runer112 Not looking to blame anyone, or to suspend anyone
 
You're so clever. I should hire you.
 
If it's our users, I want it to stop.
 
6:55 PM
I'm leaving SE now, I have school to do.
 
good grades!
 
I honestly don't give a damn about who it is.
@Hosch250 Good luck!
 
@Hosch250 Study hard :)
 
PS, tell SE to run their next thing through the sandbox.
@ton.yeung Not been voting for a while anyway.
 
we will
 
6:56 PM
@Hosch250 lol this was the sandbox
 
and that was their last words before they quit SE
 
SE it lookin to take over the world and must run social experiments on real people to see how it will work out
 
ace
@ton.yeung Mostly rewatching things I have on my hard drive, I don't intend to start anything new until after the exam season
 
Yeah! It's a conspiracy. We should unite against it!
 
@Hakase I'd say this one failed.
 
6:57 PM
Take it to Skeptics :D
2
 
Skeptics needs official documentation to challenge
 
hey, for all we know, it could have been SE employees doing the first raids, and then people reacted… as expected… such a genius plan
2
 
Any professional authors here?
 
@ton.yeung that's programming, not writing.
 
What if you do it with a pencil?
 
6:58 PM
@Hakase that would be kind of a dick move, to get everybody up in arms and then pin it all on PPCG :p
 
we need someone to write about how SE is NOT conducting social experiments, and then we challenge it to Skeptics
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@Runer112 Ha!
 
I hope our SE overlords aren't that evil
 
I like this idea, now I can just tell people I'm "a writer", and they won't ask me for help with tech stuff (or anything else I guess).
 
@Unihedro that will be the conclusion blog post, they will say "some people played fair, some unfair, but we certainly didn't raid, oh no!"
it's a starry night, make a wish, everyone!
 
I wish I could get off my computer and sleeeep!
bah
 
7:00 PM
@ton.yeung "Right now I'm working on a 13,000 page documentary."
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then the compiler complains
dangit i was late on that one
 
documentary? why not a manual? just, for a computer to read
 
Golfing English? Geez... And I thought I was the grammar extremist.
 
that would be technical writing
 
@ton.yeung Unfortunately I don't get paid to golf code. That's for fun and internet points only.
 
7:01 PM
although writing manuals doesn't sound nearly as good
 
Golfing Engl is ez. Jst rmv advbs & vwls
 
ace
Glfng*
 
sms 2 wrk
 
Saved 2 bytes thanks
 
ntcmpctenuf
 
7:03 PM
i think spaces are necessary tbh
 
ds z wsm
 
u wot
 
wtf m i syng
 
spacesareonlynecessaryifthewordsaretooambiguouswithoutthem
 
@ton.yeung tldr my ms dyd
 
7:03 PM
@Geobits !cmpctNF
 
EvenIfWeAssumeTheyAreAmbiguous,CamelCaseTakesCareOfThat
 
I wonder if ̴̺̺̹͉͚̼͔̙͍̽̊̽̅̀́Z̞͕̰ͩ͗̀ͮͮ̚͠A̞̯̲̗̳̯̓̌̈ͫͪL̵̺̰͖̰͊͂̌̍͗͂͠G̴̨̡͎͍̞̏ͩ͆ͯ̀Ỏ͎͔̗̙̭̹͈̝̒̅ͩͣ̐!̸‌​͕͕ͤͭ̉͑͊̒̑͗ͨ works
yup ruined forever
 
No, he's been out of a job for a while.
 
that looks like baby mode zalgo
 
tis but a zalgling
 
7:05 PM
@Geobits PunctuationCanBeInferredSoThatGolfsItFurther
 
LetsEatGrandma
no it cant
 
too bad.
 
may need to be explicit
 
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A: Has Stack Overflow performed any "social experiments"?

CupcakeI think you've uncovered a conspiracy. Here's the theory: since 2008, Joel and Jeff have secretly been feeding nothing but good, positive questions into Stack Overflow users' question feeds. This went on for a couple of years, and everyone was happy. Then, the Stack Exchange team did a switchero...

 
RemoveItWhereItIsntNeeded
 
7:06 PM
if anyone wants to discuss anime or manga, get a recommendation, ask a question, you know where to find us and our chat room <3
 
Add the StackEgg experiment to that MSO thread.
Your effort benefits future generations!
 
ace
Screw this, I'm done with this StackEgg thing
 
What is the acceptable course of action for an author who is engaged in an edit war with another user?
Let it go? Report it somewhere? I can't exactly flag a revision.
 
flag for a moderator, explain what's going on
 
What do I flag?
 
7:14 PM
like "this question has an edit war" or something
the main Q or A with the war
 
Just flag the answer, but I do believe it's been flagged before.
 
the mod will find it
in the revisions
 
Oh, it's a different user the second two times.
I went ahead and flagged the answer
I do hope he stops before I enter another fit of rage.
 
heh
 
I think I spat poison at a moderator in here yesterday. I immediately felt bad about it because he didn't deserve it.
 
7:26 PM
It's not too late to apologize until the song plays.
 
I forgot his name though
 
Quick, look back on the transcript
 
@user23013 Cool...
 
You investigated this pretty thoroughly, right?
 
Yes, and after more recent experiments, I found cases where ignoring four times doesn't always work.
 
7:33 PM
Ah. Well if you want sweet Arqade rep, posting a decent rundown should do it. Or sweet Arqade hate, depending on the mood there :P
 
7:43 PM
 
abandoned
lol
 
Why is it always so hard to get any point across to Ismael? :/ Could someone tell me if my point could be clarified somehow?
 
He can pull a Rainbolt sometimes!
 
lol... no Rainbolt is the opposite... he picks your statements apart as literally as possible and refuses to acknowledge anything that was more or less obviously implied once the argument gets heated ;) (no offence, Rainbolt :))
 
None taken. You are absolutely right.
 
7:52 PM
Ismael just seems to completely ignore what you say sometimes
 
oh, then he can pull an Optimizer sometimes!
 
Here's the real question: Would you prefer the guy who understands you literally or the guy who doesn't understand you?
 
its like less knowledge vs wrong knowledge all over again
 
@Rainbolt Definitely the former, although I still need to figure out how to get my point across unambiguously in those cases, too :P
 
The answer is counter intuitive. You would think the literal guy (me) would be easier. But in reality, when have any of you ever had a lengthy debate with Ismael?
 
7:55 PM
Not easier, more fun and/or more frustrating.
 
Anime is destroying PPCG
on the leaderboard
 
@Rainbolt Never because he's not using chat. ;)
 
@TheBestOne we are not even playing anymore
coz of supposed non-anime-solo-restart-bots
 
Oh let them have their fun. Remember when our fun got ruined?
 
[tips]?
 
7:58 PM
If you tag their fun with [tips] I will destroy their fun.
 
where should I begin ?
 

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