The Nineteenth Byte

John

6:00 PM

@Runer112 Which I take to mean he's joking. He does that a lot. Not a good joke that time, imo

Runer112

it's a pretty bad joke

Doorknob

Psshhh, school getting in the way of playing StackEgg. Ruining all my priorities. :P

Optimizer

@John threats are threats, be it hollow/ unintentional or fake. If you fail to understand that, then there is something seriously wrong.

John

@Optimizer Yes, threats are threats. But that which isn't a threat isn't a threat. If you fail to understand that, then there is something seriously wrong.

Unionhawk

No mod action was taken.

Optimizer

6:01 PM

stop copying my lines. meh

John

@Optimizer Why not? English is a free language, isn't it?

If you can't get told what you tell others, don't tell them that.

Optimizer

oh, clicking the restart button is also free, i think ? :P

Geobits

@Unionhawk We had at least one (three maybe?) users chat-banned. So while it may not have been mods, it was 20k+ users at least.

John

@Optimizer Yes, but there is a rule against it.

@Geobits pretty sure it's just network 10k

which is incredibly easy to get

Unionhawk

Some 10ks validated flags.

John

6:02 PM

you could literally get that off of just site bonuses

Geobits

I thought it was 20k?

John

if you join enough sites

@Geobits pretty sure it's 10k

Unionhawk

@John No, it only counts sites with 200+ rep or maybe excludes association bonus

Calvin's Hobbies

@John "you could literally get that off of just site bonuses" Huh?

John

@Unionhawk Oh okay, well still not hard.

@Calvin'sHobbies Apparently not.

Unionhawk

6:03 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies At a time, you could, that was fixed

But there are more than 100 sites

John

And this does assume you earned at least 200 rep on one site so you actually get those bonuses

so I guess not technically just bonuses

Unionhawk

The whole chat flag system is not perfect.

2

Optimizer

and when someone misuses it - its all fine.

Unionhawk

No

That is not what I am saying at all.

John

@Optimizer We at Arqade post a new post to Meta.SE nearly every month begging for flags to be fixed

Geobits

6:06 PM

Yea, I see some odd flags coming from The Bridge :)

Unionhawk

It's been better lately, overall

John

We are much more tolerant in the Bridge than most of the sites

Some people don't realize and flag us for it

Unionhawk

@John That's probably a big part of it

John

Sheesh, people are still voting to restart PPCG's egg. Don't they ever get bored?

It's clearly not working.

Geobits

I'm fairly confident it won't stop any time soon.

John

6:08 PM

Sadly, you are probably right.

It's what happens when people get upset, I guess

Hosch250

Why all the nothings?

That won't help.

orlp

we are stackegg dominators

we annihilate the hope of our foes

Hosch250

CR and Anime have reset trolls too.

We should be able to see who does what.

TheBestOne

@orlp Don't let them hear you say that.

Unionhawk

prepares flag invalidating finger

John

6:12 PM

@TheBestOne Believe it or not, some of us can be against raiding and still be sane people.

Runer112

5 restart votes

TheBestOne

I was okay with raiding until I found out that it was not part of the design.

Runer112

raid is getting really serious

DigitalTrauma

@Runer112 about to graduate I guess

PhiNotPi

Are we going to use a flag?

Hosch250

6:15 PM

Code Review won.

TheBestOne

If only we could apply the game to PPCG

Hosch250

Were you guys helping?

John

@Hosch250 Sssh, don't tell them Code Review is making progress or it'll be the last of that.

DigitalTrauma

@Hosch250 I think some of us might have done...

Optimizer

is the leaderboard outdated ?

Geobits

6:16 PM

It takes a minute or so to update AFAICT.

Hosch250

in The 2nd Monitor, 20 secs ago, by DJanssens

Lol the guy that's keep voting for reset, pretty sure its a script.

Whoa, that was close.

Optimizer

anime manga and movies winning

user23013

The reason can just be their own games aren't fun anymore. But restarting ours can still be. And they don't need to succeed

John

@Hosch250 There is one guy voting reset on PPCG too

Hosch250

And on Anime.

TheBestOne

6:17 PM

(checks all other sites)

anime won

I need to leave.

5 restart votes

the raiders disadvantage is that they can't openly organize/strategize

or don't want to

Runer112

well, the strategy is pretty simple

press restart button

John

6:21 PM

heh

GiantCowFilms

What is you alls strategy

DigitalTrauma

but some others are flagging and nothinging

Runer112

QAQU

TheBestOne

@GiantCowFilms Maintain 0 hearts for each stat

GiantCowFilms

Thats been ours mostly two, its just that our rank keeps dropping

Hosch250

6:22 PM

@GiantCowFilms You've got it backwards.

You need to fill all the hearts in.

GiantCowFilms

I know

I was just joking @TheBestOne back

Hosch250

OK.

GiantCowFilms

although due to the lack of voters somtimes it happens'

TheBestOne

rofl

Hosch250

Which site are you from?

GiantCowFilms

6:23 PM

Blender (beta)

Hosch250

OK.

We should write a bot to intercept restarts.

Probably can't, though.

Calvin's Hobbies

Time to learn AutoIt

Runer112

isn't AutoIt old AutoHotkey?

TheBestOne

@Hosch250 Reset the sites that resets are coming from.

Runer112

or other way around

John

6:26 PM

@TheBestOne How could you even tell that?

Optimizer

how many raiders ?

TheBestOne

@John Search all site chats for mentions of the words Stack, Egg, and PPCG.

Runer112

currently only 1 or 2 it seems

DigitalTrauma

2

John

@TheBestOne Conjecture, but since when does that stop the internet :D

Geobits

6:29 PM

Damn, Arqade just had a 251 day win. We should watch them for a while, they're obviously doing something better since our last couple have been ~25 higher...

John

@Geobits No.

Rainbolt

Back. Did we get reset yet?

John

We already noticed higher reset votes toward the end of that run.

TheBestOne

Almost

Rainbolt

Sweet

Geobits

6:30 PM

@John No, I meant literally watch to see the strategy...

I wasn't resetting.

We've been trying to get our average down, and you guys seem to be doing well in that area.

John

Oh, alright.

I don't actually have any idea what strategy we're using; I'm just watching for incoming raids, heh

Runer112

don't know what you're doing watching for them in here

John

good

SuperScript

Is our lead only because of those raiders?

I mean would we be winning if it hadn't been done?

John

@SuperScript Considering at least 3 other sites were reset at least twice each, it's a fair bet.

Runer112

6:32 PM

we'd probably only be 1 win ahead instead f 2

John

Meanwhile PPCG has not been reset at all, that I know of

Rainbolt

No. Without resets, we'd obviously be losing to anyone with a lower average than us.

SuperScript

So our lead isn't completely dirty.

Runer112

well, we're like 1.5 wins ahead

SuperScript

Or is it?

Simon André Forsberg

6:33 PM

Instead of raiding to left and right, how about we try to reverse engineer the game instead? I find the game concept itself very interesting, from a single-player perspective.

Rainbolt

If they have a lower average, then their first run must have been cleaner. So they should be ahead.

Runer112

time to keep an eye on arqade

their beta strat is going to show up now

John

@SuperScript PPCG is doing well on their egg, that is for sure, but I find it difficult to say who would be in the lead if no-one were reset.

Rainbolt

@SimonAndréForsberg "Instead of raiding" You are preaching to the choir here man. I think everyone here gave up raiding after we were labeled the bad guys.

2

Runer112

looks like it's the same as out strat so far

GiantCowFilms

6:34 PM

Your so lucky you have so many people doing the righ thing

TheBestOne

@John Don't do that!

John

@TheBestOne Don't do what?

Runer112

I think we'd be in the lead by about 0.5 wins

TheBestOne

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by John

in The Nineteenth Byte, 24 secs ago, by Runer112

time to keep an eye on arqade

Sp3000

Anime would be half a win behind with a better average, but I think Arqade or Movies would probably have been in the lead

John

6:35 PM

@TheBestOne I can't quote people in other rooms now? Not everyone has time to stay in several chat rooms

Runer112

@John I pretty clearly said keep an eye on, not raid

John

@Runer112 and I quoted that.

Rainbolt

55 secs ago, by TheBestOne

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by John

in The Nineteenth Byte, 24 secs ago, by Runer112

time to keep an eye on arqade

John

I am not saying you guys are raiding us again, just giving my fellow Arqadians reason to keep an eye on it.

Rainbolt

If we raided them, how could we possibly learn their secrets?

We would ruin the formula

Optimizer

6:36 PM

Looks to me that John is suggesting that Arqade raids PPCG

Unionhawk

Starting a new phase is definitely the most tricky part

@Rainbolt Good point

@Optimizer No.

@Optimizer wat

@unionhawk We tried close voting at the opening of a phase. It didn't work well. We went from 4 to 3 hearts very quickly.

PhiNotPi

6:37 PM

New proposal: Merge the Bridge and the Nineteenth Byte

Unionhawk

Close voting is tricky

Rainbolt

It's useless is what it is.

Unionhawk

Sometimes it works out, sometimes the quality relapses by the time you get questions back up

Most of the time the latter

Simon André Forsberg

@Rainbolt I did not mean to say that you were. I don't care who's doing the raiding anymore, I am just suggesting that we do something constructive and try to figure out how this game works.

Rainbolt

It automatically triggers the warning. But here's a thought - can we ignore the warning for x turns to really milk the system?

John

6:38 PM

@PhiNotPi Both rooms actually have separate non-related conversations going on as well, though

Rainbolt

We already do the top to bottom max thing, but we heed the warnings immediately. Do we have to?

Runer112

not sure, but arqade does

Unionhawk

Unsure

Runer112

and they seem to know what they're doing

John

@Runer112 we don't

Napoleon Wilson

6:39 PM

Anyway, whereever they're from, there are still enough people who didn't yet get the message that restarting is for assholes.

TheBestOne

@Rainbolt The ? button explains what happens.

Unionhawk

I think for the start of a phase, bringing things up to 3, and then working to perfects by the end may be optimal

John

@NapoleonWilson I would go chew them out too if I knew where to go.

Unionhawk

But I'm really not sure

Rainbolt

What on earth is this doing in the Help information? "And try to be even faster this time – the number of times that your Sites have won the internet decides on Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange's position in the global network leaderboard."

It doesn't even appear to be worded correctly. Did he mean "depends on"?

John

6:40 PM

@Rainbolt remove "on", maybe?

Rainbolt

"the number of flags that your Site has left when it wins the internet will act in Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange's favor on the global leaderboard."

Who the heck wrote this lol

The number of flags will act in our favor. Positive correlation? Negative correlation?

John

@Rainbolt a dev, not a designer :p

@Rainbolt more flags remaining == good

Rainbolt

More flags means PPCG's position drops?

Less flags means we rise?

John

More unused flags == position rises

Rainbolt

whose position rises?

Unionhawk

6:43 PM

Think of flags left as a "continues remaining" score

Rainbolt

Also, you seem to know a lot about this. I am suspicious.

Wow our quality is being hit hard

Runer112

halp, close votes comin in hard

John

@Rainbolt suspicious of what? Obtuse though it is, it is english

captncraig

isn't close good?

Runer112

no

never close

Unionhawk

6:44 PM

It feels like there are 2 people with a restart script going across multiple sites

GiantCowFilms

@Runer112 I wish the folks on BSE understood that

Runer112

we just got closed

Rainbolt

@John It was a joke (that you have insider information). Unless you do, then it isn't a joke.

Hosch250

They left CR.

Nathan Merrill

@Unionhawk I feel that way too

John

6:44 PM

@Rainbolt Flags are like get of of jail free cards, if you don't use them, clearly you did better than people who did, so you would have a higher position.

Unionhawk

Yes

John

@Rainbolt Oh, okay. I just have a talent for reading really weirdly written english.

Rainbolt

@John I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with PPCG specifically.

Geobits

It just pastes each site in depending on where you are.

Rainbolt

As in, why we are mentioned twice in the rules in broken sentences

John

6:45 PM

@Rainbolt If you have flags remaining when you win the internet you get a higher rank than people who don't

Unionhawk

You'd have to ask the people who wrote it. shrug

Rainbolt

@Geobits OH, duh. Thanks Geobits.

Hosch250

I'm leaving for a walk.

I really need to get more school done too...

Unionhawk

See, I knew it wasn't a conspiracy

DigitalTrauma

still 2 relentless restarters

Unionhawk

6:47 PM

Yeah, it's got to be a script across multiple sites.

GiantCowFilms

No we are going in circles, how do you guys get this so organized

Rainbolt

I think it's pretty funny that 2-3 users have been frivolously clicking restart for like 100 days straight.

SuperScript

@DigitalTrauma At first it was funny, but the restarters that are still out are just wasting time (as if the rest of us aren't). It's not working.

Geobits

@Rainbolt It's a script: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/20844243#20844243

Optimizer

in Maid Café (メイド喫茶), 2 mins ago, by Logan M

I already did it lol

Geobits

6:49 PM

@GiantCowFilms Our chat is normally pretty active, it's not hard to get organized when that's the case.

GiantCowFilms

Same here, except nobody thinks about strategy

Optimizer

in Maid Café (メイド喫茶), 3 mins ago, by Hakase

what next − make a script that votes reset on PCG?

Sp3000

:/ this out of context quoting...

Rainbolt

@GianCowFilms You really wanna know how? We write instructions in all caps and then 9 people star it. Like this:

3 hours ago, by Rainbolt

TOP TO BOTTOM WITH USERS AND QUALITY INVERTED. NEVER CLOSE.

Optimizer

@Sp3000 i think the two quotes should give enough context

SuperScript

6:50 PM

We only have one bot now.

John

@SuperScript I think only one is a bot

Runer112

we just got 2 restart votes

Optimizer

@SuperScript u n @Geobits related ?

John

The other is a rotating, misguided raider

DigitalTrauma

1 bot, one drive-by restarter

Rainbolt

6:50 PM

Hah. We are preventing other people from using their computers because they have to run a click script that isn't working.

That's a win.

Kevin Stricker

Always downvote.

Always.

Optimizer

@Rainbolt you can run a script in a tab.

a JS script

its really a no brainer

SuperScript

@KevinStricker and then upvote later if needed.

Rainbolt

Oh, they got fancy I guess

Kevin Stricker

^_^

Optimizer

6:52 PM

@Rainbolt never hear of greasemonkey or noscript ? really ?

Runer112

I can't really figure out arqade's strat, they keep varing between top-down and QAQU

whoops, misclicekd answer

Optimizer

you can also simply do a setInterval in console

Kevin Stricker

Seriously though, when you have one heart missing from answers and one heart missing from quality, why does everyone vote answer. If you do that you end up with 2 missing in quality instead of just 1 in answer.

GiantCowFilms

@Rainbolt Did it, noboyd starred

DigitalTrauma

no restart vote on the last round

GiantCowFilms

6:53 PM

Need help revenging the restart votes?

:D

Runer112

no

there is no revenge to be had

Kevin Stricker