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12:01 AM
posted on January 15, 2015 by sgdi

The horny old man of the sea Was whispering something to me Of curvy mermaids He bragged he’d got laid Regardless how impossibly

 
Jez
12:42 AM
hey guys, it umptuous a word?
i'm sure I've heard it before
meaning something like "arrogant" or "impertinent"
> what you just said was umptuous
yet google's never heard of it. curious.
also, Christopher Hitchens seems to say "umptuousness" here: youtu.be/KR1uorQWNDg?t=9m50s
 
'unctuous'?
 
Jez
ahh yes unctuous
 
(oily, too smooth)
 
Jez
yep
 
so in the direction of arrogant or impertinent but not the same.
 
 
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2:35 AM
Everyone is gone.
 
 
2 hours later…
4:51 AM
hey guys
Is there a terminology for technologies that add extra layers to securing personal online accounts? For example, in Korea, some webapps ask you to verify with your mobile phone or external security webapp in order to verify the account belongs to you and you are the owner who tries to log in.
 
5:06 AM
I guess you're not quite an English Master then.
 
5:47 AM
Password protection.
 
 
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8:11 AM
@EnglishMaster the generic term would be "authentication", or multi-factor authentication.

 The DMZ

A serious place where infosec is discussed PS we don't do hard...
According to this^ user in the above room.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:40 AM
Hello @MattЭллен I don't feel good today, some new themes bothering me.
 
10:13 AM
What is bothering you, @JasperLoy?
 
10:56 AM
 
11:09 AM
@MattЭллен It's complicated. I think this year will be a very tough year for me.
 
@JasperLoy we're here for you
 
@MattЭллен Thank you.
 
11:25 AM
Try to be strong my friend @JasperLoy
One step at a time...
 
 
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1:26 PM
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A: What is the difference between a part of speech and a function?

tchristProfessor Lawler posted the following insightful and authoritative answer in non-searchable and ephemeral comments which I here reproduce verbatim as a Community Wiki answer to circumvent these infelicities: Function is the wrong word; it's pretty vague, even in linguistics. If you mean gram...

Lawler couldn"t be bothered to answer properly, so I CW'd it.
Yes I know that what's-her-name won't like his answer, but he is speaking from a position of authority here.
And I hate not being able to find good answers inSearch just because they're hidden in comments.
They're shutting the plane doors now. Hasta.
 
1:43 PM
Borderline off-topic for BiologySE, but probably interesting for many users here as well: Biologically, do we misuse the word “evolve” and any word derived from it?
 
2:09 PM
And of course she has downvoted me, which does no good since I made it CW.
And of course, she is trying to argue with me in comments. I shall not condescend to engage with the querulous prat.
I made it a CW answer for the precise reasons I stated: because I am tired of answers hidden in comments that cannot be searched for. I’ve down this for at least a dozen of Lawler's comments: promoted them to CW answers. (CW because I deserve no credit.)
I think it improves the site.
 
I canceled out her downvote.
 
Thanks.
She’s asked a "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" question, and Lawler called her on it. Sometimes you cannot give the questioner, especially her, the answer she wants to hear. It is valid to answer an invalid question with a statement that they have asked the wrong question.
She has no interest in learning.
She posted it only as a way of hassling me.
Honest.
I kept waiting for Lawler to answer, and it warmed the cockles of my heart when he did so.
There's no flag for convert-comment-to-answer, but a non-rep-bearing CW answer is the next best thing.
I think I've done that with like 15 of Lawler's answers that he's put in comments.
Oh look, her bounty ended 7 minutes ago.
This may prove amusing.
 
2:29 PM
@fileunderwater Not very borderline at all. I don't see anything on topic there.
It is also based on a silly misconception that we get the meaning of words from dictionaries when the truth is the other way around.
Dictionary definitions derive from common use.
 
I keep telling people that.
Why do they get it all backwards?
 
shrugs
 
Interesting that she doubled down on her "fallacy of complex question" by adding a 400-point bounty to it.
@terdon That's also true of music theory. We think that the theory books are how composers learn to write music (i.e., by following the "rules"), but in fact music theory is merely a descriptive record of what composers have done.
 
@Robusto Yeah. Kinda like "Woah! WTF was that?"
 
2:44 PM
@tchrist: I called her on her comment and she deleted it.
 
Bravo!
Well done, my man!
In other news, I have finally and definitively solve the Numbered Conditional Problems for all time.
Behold in wonder the Canonical List of English Conditionals Conveniently Numbered:
‭       I: If he will jump, you will not have to.
‭      II: If he will jump, he can win.
‭     III: If he will jump, he may win.
‭      IV: If he will jump, you must follow.
‭       V: If he will jump, you dare not follow.
‭      VI: If he will jump, you need not follow.
‭
‭     VII: If he escapes, catch him.
‭    VIII: If he escapes, you can catch him.
‭      IX: If he escapes, you catch him.
‭       X: If he escapes, you could catch him.
‭      XI: If he escapes, you may catch him.
‭     XII: If he escapes, you might catch him.
That should take care of all those numbered conditional sillinesses for all time, don’t you think?
 
@terdon Well, I agree that it's not a very useful way to look at language - usually ends with trying to pound eachother to death using different dictionaries. I just thought that soms users here might be interested in the question.
 
Hm, typo. Oh well.
@Robusto Perhaps, but she seems to have undeleted it.
 
@tchrist Huh? I didn't know that was possible. And here I deleted my response to hers.
Nah, she just restated it after I called her on it. But I'm calling her on it again.
 
She’s a querulous prat, that one is.
I particularly like the convenience of my numbering scheme in Roman numerals. That way we can speak lovingly of Conditional LV, for example. Or, I suppose, the sexagesimal conditional should one lack a shift key. Hm, I wonder whether I should include the versions with protasis and apodosis inverted. What do you think?
       I: If he will jump, you will not have to.
      II: If he will jump, he can win.
     III: If he will jump, he may win.
      IV: If he will jump, you must follow.
       V: If he will jump, you dare not follow.
      VI: If he will jump, you need not follow.

     VII: If he escapes, catch him.
    VIII: If he escapes, you can catch him.
      IX: If he escapes, you catch him.
       X: If he escapes, you could catch him.
      XI: If he escapes, you may catch him.
     XII: If he escapes, you might catch him.
 
2:59 PM
What about "If he escape"?
 
If that be reasonable.
But yes, you are right.
       I: If he will jump, you will not have to.
      II: If he will jump, he can win.
     III: If he will jump, he may win.
      IV: If he will jump, you must follow.
       V: If he will jump, you dare not follow.
      VI: If he will jump, you need not follow.

     VII: If he escapes, catch him.
    VIII: If he escapes, you can catch him.
      IX: If he escapes, you catch him.
       X: If he escapes, you could catch him.
      XI: If he escapes, you may catch him.
     XII: If he escapes, you might catch him.
That puts us at CXV conditionals. We’ll have to ask @Cerberus what the ordinal form is. :)
I do not count If he should jump, thou shalt catch him as a different conditional from If he should jump, you shall catch him.
 
And now: "Did he escape, you would have caught him."
Archaic, perhaps, but in the interest of thoroughness . . .
 
Are you at home now @MattЭллен?
 
Isn't it too early? You left work early?
 
3:12 PM
@fileunderwater Not really. People here are very very firmly, fanatically even, in the descriptivist camp and have very little patience for the prescriptivist attitude of the OP. He will not be well received here :)
 
@Robusto Oh!
 
@JasperLoy it's Friday. I've been leaving work this early on a Friday for nearly five years :D
 
@MattЭллен Good good. I just watched the PBS documentaries on John Nash and Stephen Hawking.
 
@JasperLoy was it good?
 
@MattЭллен Yes, both were good. I think I can just watch them over and over again when I need to pass time.
 
3:14 PM
       I: If he will jump, you will not have to.
      II: If he will jump, he can win.
     III: If he will jump, he may win.
      IV: If he will jump, you must follow.
       V: If he will jump, you dare not follow.
      VI: If he will jump, you need not follow.

     VII: If he escapes, catch him.
    VIII: If he escapes, you can catch him.
      IX: If he escapes, you catch him.
       X: If he escapes, you could catch him.
      XI: If he escapes, you may catch him.
     XII: If he escapes, you might catch him.
 
@JasperLoy jolly good
 
Now at CXXXVII Conditionals.
CXXXVII is nicely prime, too.
 
@MattЭллен I think I will never know what it is really like to have schizophrenia, unless I have it myself.
 
quite true
 
I think they can treat that with drugs now.
 
3:17 PM
truth?
 
@MattЭллен Just like I don't know what it is like to be you.
 
well, I guess that's the drug politicians must be taking
 
No, not having schizophrenia.
 
With the right drugs, everybody can be schizofreakofrenetic.
 
3:19 PM
@JasperLoy yes. our inner workings can't be known perfectly
 
When you don't take meds and get worse, people say it's because you stop taking meds. When you take meds and get worse, they don't say anything.
When you have therapy and get better, people say it's because the therapy helps. When you have therapy and don't get better, they say it's because you don't listen to the therapist.
Not everyone's point of view, but many think like the above.
@tchrist Did you make this list yourself?
I am going to bed. Good night @MattЭллен. I hope a miracle comes to me in my dreams.
 
good night, @JasperLoy
 
3:34 PM
@tchrist Because from an early age they learn to check dictionaries for correctness. What's the proper spelling of some word? Check your dictionary. What does some word mean? Check your dictionary. The dictionary is held up as, and becomes, the Authority of What Is a Word and What a Word Means. Words gain legitimacy by being added to dictionaries. etc.
 
@JasperLoy Natch.
 
Hmm, bad oneboxing of animated gifs. Sorry, here: tclhost.com/DZg82ji.gif
 
heh
 
@terdon Is that in any way an accurate rendition of what it's like for a dyslexic person when they read text?
 
@terdon She’s certainly struggling. She’s also started to make what I consider inappropriate personal attacks that have no business being in comments. If she thinks my practice guilty of some impropriety, she should post that matter to meta, preferably without involving actual user names.
 
3:43 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I ahve no idae
 
But I am an interested party of notorious prickliness, and she has a vendetta against me.
 
@tchrist True dat.
 
So I leave it to others to judge.
 
@tchrist Really? That will be a first! :P
 
@terdon There is a fancy term of rhetoric for what I am doing here, you realize. It is of course Greek. :)
TURBULENCE
That's not the word; it's the airplane bouncing around.
 
3:50 PM
You're actually in a plane?
 
@Robusto Well, quite, that's exactly what I've done above! Perhaps it would be better to do that before Wiki-ing his comments as an answer in the first place. I would seem only curteous. — Araucaria 49 mins ago
Interesting neologism, curteous. It implies faux graciousness, a dismissive courtesy.
@terdon We're all in a plane of one sort or another.
 
@Robusto I love it when you go all profound.
 
Who says I am not always there?
 
crl
Which of "little" and "small" means the smallest size?
 
Neither.
 
4:00 PM
@crl We need an example phrase. It depends on context.
 
You may as well ask which means the greater size, big or large.
 
crl
@terdon for files for example
 
Small
You don't really have little files.
Even better, refer to file sizes, not files.
 
A small elephant is bigger than a large dog but littler than big whale.
 
Anyway, small files is OK. Little files is not.
 
4:02 PM
Is this sentence correct "This has been brought a wonderful result for those who used it."?
 
@Kabir No
 
crl
@terdon ok
 
why not?
 
has been brought a for starters.
 
crl
been
 
4:03 PM
Are you talking about some kind of product?
 
Product?
No
 
What is the context? You probably want something like "This has brought wonderful results to those who used it".
 
@Araucaria: I think you are now accusing tchrist of bad manners, deception, and malicious intent. Do you bear him some animus? — Robusto 48 secs ago
 
@Kabir We'd need to know what "This" refers to
 
This is the context "Just wanted to share these hold phrases with you all, as I have shared with some of you already in my coaching and feedback sessions. This has brought a wonderful result for those who used it.

Also, I am attaching the file for you so that you can make it handy."
 
4:05 PM
@terdon Little files is fine. How would it not be okay?
 
@Robusto Little files? Really? Sounds very strange to me. I would expect them to grow up or something.
 
Well, keep adding to them and they will.
 
:)
@Kabir What does the this refer to?
What result? What are hold phrases?
 
Hold phrases refer to put a call on hold.
 
Ah. And how does one get wonderful results from such a thing? That seems like a bit of a hyperbole.
@Kabir perhaps: "I just wanted to share these hold phrases, which I've already shared with some of you in my coaching and feedback sessions. They have brought wonderful results to those who have used them."
 
4:12 PM
@terdon That one is used more than the other proves nothing. In the interest of varying your speech, you may wish to take the less trodden path.
 
@Robusto But, but, descriptivism!
Anyway, if someone has to ask about the difference, presumably English is not their native language and sticking to the trodden path might be safer.
 
crl
 
Thank you @terdon
 
You're welcome.
@crl I would use tiny files for very small file sizes. It's the little I don't like.
 
However, you made me think that how it has brought wonderful results.
 
4:21 PM
Wonderful results just seems a bit extreme for hold phrases. Cancer drugs can have wonderful results, but hold phrases?
 
4:40 PM
@terdon That has nothing to do with descriptivism. Anyway, one might want to use "little" when one isn't talking about file size per se—"little" files may mean unimportant ones, or ones containing references to "little" things, etc.
 
"That one is used more than the other proves nothing." : prescriptivistismness!
And yes, if we're not talking about the size, little is fine. "Just create a little temp file" for example.
 
You are right @terdon, however I am referring to CSAT scores (customer satisfaction).
 
Haha! Lawler isn't playing her game. I guessed he wouldn't.
 
4:59 PM
Dammit! Typo in a comment I can't edit anymore.
I hate it when that happens.
Possibly the greatest perk of being a mod is being able to edit your old comments.
It's beside the point, not besides fool terdon!
 
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Q: describe Chicken Biryani ( food) as if it is a beautiful girl

AnjanHow to describe a plate of Chicken Biryani as if it is a beautiful girl. People should feel that i am describing a girl not a food. (However,I will reveal them at the end that it is Chicken biryani I am talking about). Please help, I need it for a presentation.

Oh, dear gods, no.
 
That looks funny to me, how could you describe Chicken Biryani as a beautiful girl?
 
Depends on whether you prefer breasts, legs or thighs, obviously.
(Which is precisely what not to say when giving a presentation)
 
5:15 PM
easy "This beautiful girl was very tasty. Especially the Biryani sauce." noöne will suspect a thing
 
The small droplets of condensation on her succulent legs and tender breasts remind one of a winter's dawn.
 
As usual, the meeting with her I'd so anticipated just left me with a nauseated cramping pain in my stomach.
 
@JonHanna I get ya, man.
 
@JonHanna You expect better from ELU? I would call that a stubborn optimism.
 
crl
This spicy blonde was a delight
 
5:23 PM
@crl On t'as vu!
t'a?
Fuck but I hate writing French.
 
crl
pas vu pas pris
t'as
 
:)
Thanks. I spent 4 years in France and can speak it fluently but I still write phonetically.
 
crl
French grammar/conjugation isn't fun
 
Jez
Ah, would that all businesses did office design like that!
 
5:25 PM
@crl Nope. That it ain't.
Fascinating, mind you.
 
Jez
my office is having a layout change and i've forwarded that article to our company boss but my hopes aren't high ;-) I think he likes the whole open-plan thing
 
I wish my thermal bike togs would arrive. I long to be outdoors riding.
 
@Robusto The obvious solution, of course, would be to move to a country with sane weather.
 
@terdon Does such a country exist?
 
@Robusto Yup. Most of the Mediterranean coast would qualify.
Well, assuming you don't mind heat.
 
5:28 PM
the UK has sane weather. it's mild most of the time, with a touch of cold in winter. a lot of rain, though
 
Jez
a touch of cold?!
it's fecking freezing
 
Jez, meet Canada
 
@MattЭллен Can you actually say that with a straight face?
 
@Jez I wonder if your boss is in the open plan too? It's easy to like a plan when you don't have to experience it yourself.
 
@terdon yeah. it is mild most of the time. like 12 to 16 degrees C
 
5:29 PM
@terdon Too trashy. At least the parts I can afford.
 
crl
thanks Gulf stream
 
@MattЭллен Oookay. 1) we have very different definitions of mild. 2) I don't buy that, I used to live there you know!
 
@terdon OK, I didn't mean the UK, I meant Southern England
 
@Robusto Oy!
 
@MattЭллен Sane if you like being slightly damp always.
 
Jez
5:30 PM
@Mitch kind of. the idea is that he will be in a kind of crevice area, but without actually having a separating wall from the rest of the office
 
@Mitch yeah...
 
@MattЭллен Ah, that's a different kettle of fish. Still too much rain though.
 
Ooh.. here's the sun... oops, gone.
@Jez Oh. so eating his own dog food sort of. that's commendable. but then it's dog food.
 
@Mitch That actually happened to me more than once. I;d be studying in the library, I'd notice the sun had come out so I'd go for a smoke and it's be raining by the time I got down the stairs.
 
@Jez although, to be fair, I don't like winter. it is too cold.
 
Jez
5:32 PM
@Mitch mmm
 
@terdon northern france and germany aren't too different.
 
I have to say though, you get some gorgeous sunsets in the UK what with all the humidity.
 
but tahiti... don't they have hurricanes?
 
yes indeed
 
@Mitch Mediterranean I said!
 
5:32 PM
and there's the skin cancer thing.
 
Plus, I'm in Greece now. We have great weather here.
Not much else to write home about but the weather is excellent.
 
@terdon consider us all jealous.
of the weather.
zing!
 
Good. Mission accomplished. And I'll just not mention that it's 9 degrees outside.
@Mitch Well obviously. You'd have to be pretty silly to be jealous of anything else.
 
@terdon I've thought of visiting the Greek isles . . .
 
The guys living here 2, 2.5 thousand years ago were hot shit but the country's been going downhill ever since.
 
Jez
5:35 PM
> Joel’s management philosophy is deceptively simple: hire smart people who get things done, and get the hell out of their way. The role of management is to give the people who actually do the work — the developers, designers, sysadmins, etc. — all the tools they need to get their jobs done, and then trust them to do the job!
 
@terdon Oh yeah. exactly. If it's going to be worth while to move, they better have nice weather on tap always
couple days off a year
 
@Robusto Let me know if you do, I'd be happy to help you out. I could even put you up for a few nights if I'm here and you're in Athens.
 
@terdon Pericles was overrated.
 
Jez
it's pretty obvious to see why most managers don't embrace this view too much - they're scared people would slack off, and they don't really have the competence to judge whether the person should remain employed
sad.
 
@Robusto But Socrates himself is particularly missed...
 
5:36 PM
Well, yeah.
 
which view? the open officeplan or take as much PTO as you need?
 
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed.
 
Jez
@Mitch open? the whole point was that it was closed, with offices
 
@Robusto No, I'm just caught wanting to answer the real underlying question, but "why is it a really bad idea to describe a piece of chicken as if it was an attractive woman" is not on-topic as an EL&U matter.
 
@terdon Socrates was a huge PITA for the 30 tyrants, IIRC.
 
5:37 PM
Maybe it's a deliberately absurd homework exercise or something.
 
Which is why he drank the coño.
 
@JonHanna Haha, good point.
 
@JonHanna I fear the OP honestly thinks it is a brilliant gimmick.
 
Socrates said it best when he said, "I drank what?!"
5
 
Jez
5:38 PM
when i think back to recruiters describing businesses to me, actually, they often say "it's all open plan" like that's automatically a plus. in fact... i don't think i saw a single business that didn't have some kind of open plan design
 
@Mitch We won that one!
@JonHanna Ha! :)
 
Jez
but you know the one thing worse than openplan? openplan with a big speaker playing a radio station all day
quite a few places in the UK do that now, i guess it's trendy
 
To put it another way, Socrates would not drink the Kool-Aid, which is why they made him drink the hemlock.
 
Jez
i literally left a job after 1 day because they worked in a small room with Radio 1 playing all day
 
@terdon "Marx claims offsides" - He was right!
 
Jez
5:41 PM
i knew there was no way on earth i'd be able to concentrate
nor was there any chance of them scrapping their policy
 
@Jez earphones.
 
@Mitch Damn, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
 
Jez
im wearing some right now. but i kinda like to have them on sometimes, but not always. like i'm defending myself from my environment.
 
@Robusto Socrates would have pointed out that it was in fact poisoned Flavor Aid that was drunk in the incident that gave us that expression. This of course would have just irritated people more.
 
5:43 PM
". . . stretched out like Spandex in Miami Beach . . ."
"orgasmic passing"
Purple prose much?
If Messi didn't exist, Hudson wouldn't have a career.
Him or Ronaldo, anyway.
 
crl
nvm
 
6:35 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i.imgur.com/Zt5k9nG.gif
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 showcasing: the fear of getting old!
 
7:02 PM
why did I start eating mints? I just opened a bottle of cider. rookie mistake
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 neat
 
@MattЭллен eew!
 
I wonder if I could build one of those.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Of course you could!
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 eew indeed!
 
7:08 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Well, I might need to buy tons of parts
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's no reflection on your ability to do it, though.
 
7:34 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 They had a copy of Popular Science at the barber today. I haven't read that in years.
 
@Robusto Nice! What did you learn?
 
I forgot already. :(
No, I learned that car information screens are confusing, and why. But I knew that already.
Also that a car manufacturer is narrowing the front axles of some new cars by about a meter and this improves the aerodynamic profile and saves fuel.
But I would have suspected that as well.
Still, it was fun to look at all that hands-on stuff.
 
@Robusto Weird. Is that part of the EPAS movement?
 
I don't know.
 
(Electrically-Assisted Power Steering)
 
7:44 PM
No, it's an effort to reduce the drag created by the boxy front end.
 
I have the current Popular Mechanics. Need to finish reading it.
That salmon cannon shit is hilarious.
@Robusto Oh. Oh, I see.
 
Delta profile.
BTW, I finally broke down and got an E-Z Pass transponder. No more making change on toll roads for me.
 
Nice!
I've heard you can blow through those and they will send you a bill.
 
They automagically bill your credit card.
They do it in $20 chunks. When that's depleted, they re-up.
 
7:51 PM
Our toll roads are down to a single lane for cash. So I had to do it simply out of self-preservation.
Not that I use toll roads much. But when I do, it can be annoying.
 
8:11 PM
 
@tchrist Centesimus quindecimus?
Or which sex do you need?
 
all of them
 
That's a lot.
 
Are you sure you're ready for that?
 
8:14 PM
no, but I need to try!
 
Well, well.
Time for you to get back to your Tinder, young man.
 
:D
pulls out tablet yes sir.
 
Ohh big pictures.
 
indeed!
all the better to see them with
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Blow through your nose and they send you a bill? What do they think we are, ducks?
 
8:26 PM
@MattЭллен Grandma?
 
not yet. I don't even have children!
unless... are you a lumberjack?
 
No, I am the milkman.
*-dog
 
ah! you knock twice
or was that the postman?
 
Sure.
Oh.
 
one of those
 
8:30 PM
Well, I like the postman too.
 
The milkman can do whatever he wants. It's the postman who rings twice, though.
 
you like to chase him!
 
@Cerberus chases the postman doggedly.
 
Too lame for Gilbert Godfried.
@Robusto I can't really comment on what you think old bean. — Araucaria 1 min ago
Now she's trying to piss me off.
 
8:33 PM
@Robusto Naturally.
Have to bite people.
 
Catan?
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Chinese packers?
 
@Cerberus Chew got it, doggy.
 
8:35 PM
woof
 
@Cerberus taps the sign
 
sees no sign
 
@Cerberus I think Robusto is trying to sleep
prehaps you should consult an Oracle.
 
@Cerberus "No barking while people are trying to sleep."
 
Or get some Java.
 
8:50 PM
gets some java
feels just like asking an oracle
 
@MattЭллен It's too early for him.
 
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