The Bridge

Tim Stone

9:02 PM

@spugsley But butts!

@Yuuki I don't believe you.

spugsley

butts are good unless you're sucking them

then they are bad

Tim Stone

True

StrixVaria

@spugsley write something that doesn't suck butts

spugsley

@StrixVaria I wish it were that easy. I have zero plot ability. I can create a bitchin character and awesome dialogue (which I'm proud of us cause that's hard as balls) but my plot skills are NONEXISTENT

Jason Berkan

@spugsley It's trite, but something you enjoy.

spugsley

9:04 PM

@JasonBerkan I don't know what I like enough to do it forever. I like a lot of things. And then when they get hard I hate them.

Tim Stone

@spugsley Just steal narratives from the Bridge, no one will know.

StrixVaria

@spugsley Plotting is hard too.

spugsley

@StrixVaria yes...I know. It's very hard. Hard hard hard. That's the point

@TimStone they all go right into the bridge fic

Yuuki

@Powerlord Raw response data is exactly what I would get on success.

Rapitor

woo empire @Yuuki @OrigamiRobot @Unionhawk

Yuuki

9:06 PM

In fact, I put some of my success code in the error function and everything's hunky-dory.

StrixVaria

> Here’s the thing I do. Wherever your hero is at, make things worse. Make the dangers greater, make there be all sorts of different kind of dangers–that is, threaten not just his life, but also his marriage, his status, his dog, his comic book collection. And then make the dangers real–make him actually lose the dog, or the marriage, or the best friend, just so people know that all the threats are real. Then make all those things that are threatened be even more valuable to him. This comic book collection he’s going to lose isn’t just comic books to him, it’s his last recollection of his f…

@spugsley Read this in Brent Weeks's blog a few months ago. It's an interesting take on plotting by the seat of your pants.

spugsley

@StrixVaria someone on a blog I read not long ago said "Find an endpoint, then take away all the tools needed to get there. Boom, instant plot." And I liked the idea but the endpoint - I never have one. Haha maybe that's the problem. I have no idea what my characters are striving for at any given time

Jason Berkan

I read something similar from a sci fi author. At each point, she asked herself "what is the worst thing that can happen to Miles (her main character)"?

And then wrote that.

StrixVaria

@spugsley Characters need goals. If you have two characters with conflicting goals who just do their thing, plot will emerge.

Powerlord

@JasonBerkan Lois McMaster Bujold?

Jason Berkan

9:09 PM

@Powerlord Yes.

I didn't trust myself to write out her name without mangling it.

Powerlord

Actually, I'm surprised it took her until Cryoburn to write one specific element in.

spugsley

@StrixVaria I have been reading more lately which is making me want to get back to writing creatively not just TC bullshit.

StrixVaria

Reading always does that to me too.

spugsley

that's rude of me. It's not bullshit

StrixVaria

I haven't been reading recently and haven't written recently either :(

spugsley

9:11 PM

I actualyl care about the things I write about but TC is bullshit

or that environment I guess

GnomeSlice

Thought Catalog seems kind of all over the place

I've read some good stuff there and some truly terrible things as well

Sterno

@spugsley You just need a Margaret Weis to your Tracy Hickman. Or Tracy Hickman to your Margaret Weis. Whichever.

Jason Berkan

@Powerlord Which was?

spugsley

@Sterno amen

Powerlord

@JasonBerkan Pssh, and spoil it for everyone who hasn't read it?

Yuuki

9:13 PM

@spugsley Will you be holding auditions?

StrixVaria

@Sterno I wonder which of them did what.

Powerlord

Granted, Cyroburn was published in 2010, so....

Tatermancer

Is there another room where people talk about games?

20

Yuuki

@Tatermancer Literally every other chat room. Gaming is off-topic here.

Jason Berkan

@Powerlord That's like the 10th book. By the time they get to it, they will have forgotten the spoiler.

Sterno

9:13 PM

@spugsley Here, I'll give you a plot and a character with a goal. A network of websites open a "Lifehacks" site. One user hates the idea and his goal is to get it not only shut down, but recognized for the awful pox on humanity that it is. GO!

Powerlord

@JasonBerkan Miles father's death. Which had been foreshadowed for half the series.

spugsley

@Yuuki I love the idea but I don't play well with others :p

Tatermancer

@Yuuki Oh. So just the game-specific ones then?

spugsley

@Sterno lol if you want a biography written you'll need to pay me, k thanks :)

Jason Berkan

@Powerlord I actually teared up at that point.

Wipqozn

9:14 PM

Everyday people don't tape cookie sheets to their feet to go out and get tacos in a blizzard. — GnomeSlice 2 mins ago

9

StrixVaria

@Tatermancer That was just an in joke. Games aren't off topic here, but they're just not discussed all the time.

Yuuki

I can picture it now: "So You Can Plot? Riding On The Coattails Of @spugsley's Internet Fame"

Powerlord

So, how about them [insert game here]?

Tatermancer

@Powerlord I am a big fan of [same game here].

spugsley

@Yuuki HAHAHAHA

Powerlord

9:15 PM

To be clear, I don't think this site is working, and I don't think it's going to work. But I don't think the proper solution is to say "Well, here's sort of what it turned into, which really isn't at all what the proposal was... let's just keep going with it." — Sterno 34 mins ago

@Sterno Too bad, Programmers already set that precedent.

Frank

@Powerlord That took the SE staff to turn around.

Sterno

@spugsley I was talking about @Wipqozn, @Yuuki, and @fredley!

spugsley

@Sterno suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

Powerlord

@Frank You have a number of staff involved in LifeHacks right now. Otherwise it would already be dead.

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn He put that comment on the meta? That's brilliant.

Wipqozn

9:17 PM

@JasonBerkan @GnomeSlice is a comedic genius. I wish I was as funny as him.

Frank

@Powerlord I understand that. But I think Programmers was even more involved.

Powerlord

So, I wonder if I'm wasting my time writing AJAX calls for a TF2 PropHunt Stats system.

Jason Berkan

@Frank Now I'm glad I have a Lifehacks account, so that I can upvote all these comments.

Powerlord

It seems like a lot of work I'm doing for free for communities that aren't mine.

Sterno

@spugsley Okay. I've got another character with a goal in mind for you. Aspiring young writer wants to write an awesome story, but has trouble coming up with goals for her characters. GO!

GnomeSlice

9:18 PM

My computer bluescreened twice today

Sterno

Go the cheap and easy route. Write some survival horror fiction. Goal of most characters is: 1) Survive! 2) Find missing loved ones

Bonus points if it doesn't feature zombies

Or just go with They Fight Crime!

spugsley

@Sterno omg

@Sterno I REALLY want to write something post apocalyptic. I love that setting.

Jason Berkan

@Sterno 3) Punch babies.

Sterno

@JasonBerkan BRILLIANT

Matt Giltaji

@spugsley for plot help: writeremergency.com

you use them to give you random plot twists

Powerlord

9:24 PM

...last time I punched babies, I got in trouble.

spugsley

@MattGiltaji as fun as these are, I kinda hate the idea. You can find all of this online at any given time

Matt Giltaji

@spugsley true, but it's not about having the bag of tricks available, its about forcing your story to stretch in new directions to accomodate a particular trick

if you drew numbers out of a hat that matched up with your list, you'd probably get similar results

spugsley

@MattGiltaji lol I could literally come in here and be like "BRIDGE GIVE ME A PLOT TWIST" and I'd probably get better/sillier/more interesting ones than I would from that set

Origami Robot

Video games have taught me that no premise is too ridiculous to make a story out of.

spugsley

but thanks for the idea :3

Sterno

9:27 PM

@spugsley BUTTS

The best plot twist is always butts

GnomeSlice

►

Daft Punk, anyone?

Heh

Still pretty good, but definitely sounds a heck of a lot like DP

spugsley

@Sterno lol what's hilarious is that I could make that work in literally both stories I have right now

someone looks at a butt, someone gets an arrow in the butt, someone sits in muddy water and has a wet butt, someone falls and gets a bruised butt

so many butts

Powerlord

> "We have found that using Facebook as a work tool makes our work day more efficient," Lars Rasmussen, Facebook's director of engineering, tells WIRED.

Tim Stone

@spugsley Plot twist! The main character is actually in a coma after falling on ice while trying to walk to the taco shop with cookie sheets strapped to her feet and the entire story was really about her discovering a true sense of self-worth in her own mind.

Powerlord

To which I say DUH

Matt Giltaji

9:29 PM

@Powerlord no bias there

Powerlord

Using the product I write does make my day more efficient. I can't imagine why!

badp

@spugsley when in trouble, introduce time travel

Origami Robot

Elite Beat Agents used the power of music and dance to do things like:
1) Help a washed up baseball player defeat a lava golem and get back in the game
2) Help a weather lady use fans to blow away rainclouds so she could keep a promise to her son for a sunny day
3) Bring a little girl's dead father back from the dead to give her a christmas present

Powerlord

@badp Just don't try to kill Hitler. Been done to death.

Sterno

or butt travel

Powerlord

9:30 PM

Besides, it always fails.

badp

@Powerlord What about replacing Hitler?

Matt Giltaji

@badp with Seymour Butts?

badp

Just bring your trusty YER with you

Powerlord

@badp ...what makes you think that's not how we ended up with our current history?

spugsley

@badp lol....my latest work actually involves some time travel, cough

badp

9:31 PM

@Powerlord What makes you think I think that

@spugsley but is it stable or does it introduce splinter universes

spugsley

more...portal travel? Idk.

Matt Giltaji

@Powerlord i think that was a plot arc with one of the justice league cartoons

badp

can people between splinter universes interact with each other

Grace Note

Yay new site design release~

spugsley

@badp nah it's stable. It's only one dude who can do it and his magic bout to get taken away anyway

Arperum

9:32 PM

►

Wipqozn

@spugsley It turns out the old man who lived next to him growing up all those years was really him....FROM THE FUTURUUUUURRREEEEE

Sterno

@GraceNote ?

Wipqozn

9 secs ago, by Sterno

@GraceNote ?

Arperum

@MattGiltaji It's a liveversion, but that only adds to it.

badp

@GraceNote The Jin Fanclub requires a link.

Grace Note

9:32 PM

@Sterno I figured rather than specify which new site design was released, I'd see who'd find it first.

spugsley

@Wipqozn lol that's actually a great short story idea

Arperum

Saltatio Mortis is awesome

Matt Giltaji

@Arperum ooh, cool

Grace Note

Think of it like a contest!

Powerlord

23 secs ago, by Wipqozn

9 secs ago, by Sterno

@GraceNote ?

Origami Robot

9:33 PM

@GraceNote Lifehacks!

Grace Note

Whoever wins will result in me removing @Wipqozn as a room owner.

badp

@GraceNote Not even StackExchange tweeted about it

Clearly you're just seeing things.

Origami Robot

It would help if I knew what sites were even out of beta

Sterno

This is the lamest StackExchange contest yet.

Powerlord

Quick, we'd better search quickly.

Wipqozn

9:33 PM

@GraceNote Oh hey, I'm a prize!

Powerlord

QuickMan quicklasers quicker quick quickly?

Wipqozn

@spugsley I'm basically a hero

@Wipqozn Sir Prize?

is it...

That was last year

9:35 PM

Last year ended 14 days ago (at any rate I'd never seen it)

then?

Feeds

@Sterno Grace Note has removed Wipqozn from the list of this room's owners.

5

badp

Hooray, I win at "spot the unfamiliar favicon in the Stack Exchange multidropdown"

Private Pansy

@fredley I think the appropriate response to that is "again?"

Sterno

@spugsley Or just watch that one South Park episode where Cartman pretends to be Awesom-O and comes up with Adam Sandler movie ideas. That's storytelling gold, there

spugsley

@Sterno omg

badp

9:36 PM

I was going to wonder if this was the first single-product SE that gets its own design, but then there's that other one

the one from the dark ages

Matt Giltaji

@badp lifehax?

Powerlord

Wait, does that means that my guess of...

...was wrong?

Sterno

@badp This can't be right, because @Wipqozn hasn't received his prize yet.

Matt Giltaji

2 mins ago, by Feeds

@Sterno Grace Note has removed Wipqozn from the list of this room's owners.

mod abuse!

Tim Stone

Excuse me, that's rude. It's employee abuse, an entirely new level.

Powerlord

9:39 PM

@GraceNote Incidentally, we need a Big Tasty Bacon StackExchange

badp

@TimStone actually that's just room owner abuse

Tim Stone

ur a technicality

Grace Note

@Powerlord Aye

badp

@TimStone WELL IS ANY ONE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET MORE THAN JUST A TECHNICALITY, A FOOTNOTE IN THE VAST EXPANSE OF THE MULTIVERSE

Grace Note

@Powerlord Aye

Sterno

9:40 PM

Oh, well. Terrific then.

Wipqozn

I like to think this means I'm a trophy.

badp

being a technicality truly is the most we can aspire to!

Matt Giltaji

@Wipqozn nope, still just a meme

badp

@Wipqozn the trophy that keeps on winning

Arperum

@Powerlord Just convince Lifehacks to turn into that.

Tim Stone

9:41 PM

@Wipqozn Someone get the turtle wax.

Powerlord

@badp It's @Wipqozn abuse, which is always allowed.

I'm so glad pronouns get special rules in English, because it makes the language so much fun.

badp

@Powerlord I only exercise it when I can fit it into the plot

then there's LPMF, who does it at all other times

both are necessary and useful.

IT IS A REMINDER OF THE LACK OF PURPOSE OF THE UNIVERSE, A MERE BOWL OF MATTER AND ENERGY WITH NO GREATER PURPOSE MORE THAN MERE EXISTENCE

Sterno

I think this should go to the next level, and you should mod and de-mod @Wipqozn. You can do it somewhere lame like Lifehacks so that it's an insult either way it goes.

badp

A MEMENTO MORI, IF YOU WILL.

@Sterno Make Wipqozn a mod if and only if the current unix timestamp is a prime number.

Sterno

You know what's been bothering me? This:

Origami Robot

9:46 PM

Me?

Sterno

FEEDS ISN'T THERE

But it is in the transcript

Origami Robot

Damn. Too slow

Matt Giltaji

@Sterno looks shopped to me

Origami Robot

Sounds like you have Feeds on ignore

Wipqozn

@Sterno I would be fine with this, provided I was left a mod long enough to delete users at random.

Sterno

9:47 PM

@OrigamiRobot I thought so maybe too, but when I click on feeds there's no unignore. Just ignore.

Matt Giltaji

@Sterno maybe feeds is ignoring you

Origami Robot

@Sterno Check your prefs

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot Well I just clicked "ignore" and it changed to "Don't ignore" so I clicked it back. So if there's another form of ignoring, that's confusing

Tim Stone

I'm not saying I didn't hack chat just to make @Sterno look silly.

Wipqozn

@Sterno You can hide all of a users posts until you refresh. There would be an "show posts" button if you did this, I think

fredley

9:50 PM

@PrivatePansy Alright

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn If I can't get the MM 3DS, I'm not getting MH4U out of spite

So get on that.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Well that's just terrible.

Sterno

@Wipqozn I can't think of when I would have hidden Feed's posts today. But closing my browser and reopening shows it there now

Wipqozn

we'll try to have fun without you, I guess.

badp

@Sterno reload?

Wipqozn

9:51 PM

32 secs ago, by Sterno

@Wipqozn I can't think of when I would have hidden Feed's posts today. But closing my browser and reopening shows it there now

You're so 30 seconds ago @badp.

badp

yeah I have cat lag

Sterno

ALL I'M REALLY SAYING IS THAT NOT SEEING MESSAGES ABOUT @WIPQOZN BEING DEOWNERED IS A TRAVESTY

Wipqozn

#yolo #hahstags #gottold #lifehacks

badp

@Sterno that's why we star them

you're welcome

fredley

I find it difficult to deowner @Wipqozn because I don't recognise him anymore, and can't find him in the user list

Sterno

9:52 PM

protip: Don't google image search "stags"

spugsley

@StrixVaria okay. I'm writing tonight. Even if it's just a few hundred words, I'll do something

Wipqozn

@fredley Excellent.

Feeds

fredley has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

fredley has removed Wipqozn from the list of this room's owners.

fredley

That's better

GnomeSlice

kickstarter.com/projects/eigenbom/moonman

fredley

9:53 PM

You ruined your disguise by pinging me

Basic camouflage mistake

Origami Robot

@Sterno That's why i do have Feeds ignored

Wipqozn

Sterno

This joke about @Wipqozn's typo and laughing stags is too much work.

Wipqozn

@Sterno .........................................fuck

Sterno

#alwayswait2minutes

2

Matt Giltaji

9:55 PM

wat

GnomeSlice

Animator Dillon Markey Reinvents the Failed Nintendo Power Glove as an Indispensable Stop-Motion Animation Tool

Sterno

I love the power glove. It's so bad.

Tim Stone

These nachos are made out of apple pie, because we're all gonna die someday: http://bit.ly/1ARbIyD http://t.co/KkZhob5aQT

Tweeted by Thrillist on January 14, 2015 at 9:54 PM

GnomeSlice

@Sterno <3

Wipqozn

@TimStone That sounds disgusting.

You guys have the worst taste in food.

Tim Stone

9:57 PM

I'm skeptical of putting cheese on my apple pie, admittedly.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn hah stags

Tatermancer

@GnomeSlice That looks pretty cool

like terraria a bit

Tim Stone

lol, Samsung might buy Blackberry just so @Wipqozn can't escape his fate.

Yuuki

I feel like I'm missing something.

Wipqozn

@TimStone Zeus please no

Tim Stone

10:03 PM

@Yuuki He was lamenting over being forced to use a Blackberry for work prior to recently being given a Samsung somethingorother as a replacement.

Yuuki

@TimStone I mean, I don't get the thing about laughing stags.

Matt Giltaji

@TimStone if its a work phone, who cares? not like you should be gaming on it or anything

Yuuki

That apparently happened on the way home.

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Oh. #hahstags

Yuuki

Ah.

That's pretty funny.

Matt Giltaji

10:04 PM

12 mins ago, by Wipqozn

#yolo #hahstags #gottold #lifehacks

Wipqozn

I'm not sure what to do.

Should I read, or play Dark Souls?

Matt Giltaji

i move that we add hahstags to the room description

Wipqozn

I'm leaning towards reading... but I'm also leaning towards showering to put off making the decision

Matt Giltaji

@Wipqozn wat book?

Wipqozn

@MattGiltaji Alloy of Law. Working my way through all the Cosmere books.

fredley

10:06 PM

Meanwhile, ENHANCE that glitter

Wipqozn

I've read the Mistborn Trilogy and Elantris so far, and I'm going to start Alloy of Law tonight.

Matt Giltaji

@Wipqozn then it seems you need to read

Origami Robot

May 7 '14 at 17:32, by Origami Robot

Jan 31 at 19:20, by OrigamiRobot

Nov 6 '13 at 20:57, by OrigamiRobot

Ain't nobody knows how to kill a joke like The Bridge.

@OrigamiRobot :D

cc @spugsley

10:10 PM

Dammit Nintendo! Why are you so good at making me want things and so bad at letting me have them.

Wipqozn

inb4 I'm super late to the party

@OrigamiRobot Because: Nintendo.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Sounds like you need to improve your ability to have things.

Origami Robot

2 mins ago, by Origami Robot

May 7 '14 at 17:32, by Origami Robot

Jan 31 at 19:20, by OrigamiRobot

Nov 6 '13 at 20:57, by OrigamiRobot

Ain't nobody knows how to kill a joke like The Bridge.

@GraceNote I'm trying to level it up, but it's hard :(

Wipqozn

I'm not sure if I'll get the majoras mask 3ds

On one hand, I would like it.

On the other hand, I'd hate it order it, and then it not come until 2 weeks late due to not having enough copies

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn Good luck even ordering it

Powerlord

10:12 PM

pokes github

Wipqozn

I think... I'm going to go read.

but I also might change my mind and dark souls

murgatroid99

@Powerlord GitHub is weird

> 1 commit ahead of master

> Latest commit: "Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master'"

Powerlord

@murgatroid99 Well, in my case, GitHub wasn't responding.

Right after I pushed a branch just fine and had switched to master.

So... pulling from master and getting "unknown repository" made me think something was wrong.

murgatroid99

I see

Arperum

I am terrible at this game.

murgatroid99

10:20 PM

@Arperum It seems to be pretty strict about wins.

I'm pretty sure that I've had it end my streak if I got to the chest and then rerolled

Arperum

@murgatroid99 rerolled as in pressing "r"? these count as a death I think.

murgatroid99

@Arperum My point is that beating Isaac isn't enough to count as a win.

Arperum

I do have all endings, and pretty good progress on completing all the lost achievements.

@murgatroid99 Yea, you need to get an ending to get a win.

Chippies

►

murgatroid99

@Arperum Oh, I guess that makes sense

Chippies

10:22 PM

Japanese Spider-man from 70s

murgatroid99

@Arperum I got Platinum God on Saturday

Arperum

@murgatroid99 Not even close. I got two characters with all items unlocked. But the lost only has to beat boss rush anymore.

Chippies

First two episodes of Japanese Spider-man from 70s are available on Marvel.com

murgatroid99

@Arperum I spent probably the last 20 hours of game time searching for items. I finally got infinite rerolls and pickups on the Chest just to get a Black Lotus

fredley

@Chippies wat

Chippies

10:25 PM

this reminds of the old Batman tv series

Arperum

@murgatroid99 Fancy.

Not the hours, the infinite rerolls.

I don't know how many hours I've poured in completing all lost stuff, but it's a lot. Also at least half my deaths are with the lost. probably more.

murgatroid99

@Arperum Habit+Ipecac = infinite charging. Isacc=D6=rerolls. Crystal Ball=pickup spawning. D20=pickup rerolls. All so I could get a suicide king and use it in the secret room.

Arperum

@murgatroid99 How do you stay alive?

murgatroid99

@Arperum Oh, right, forgot to mention Pyromaniac. That was important

I charged with a red poop room and healed with Ipecac

3

badp

►

Arperum

10:29 PM

@murgatroid99 Ah, that'll work.

badp

@murgatroid99 Black lotus? I've gotten a few already.

fredley

Sweden publishes controversial cartoon

Chippies

@badp 1) that's horrible and hilarious and 2) I believe the japanese spiderman is the legit franchise spiderman, unlike the italian one

murgatroid99

@badp I went about 8 games in a row without a single item pedestal spawning in a secret room. And all I was doing was opening secret rooms. And that was definitely the first time I even saw a Black Lotus.

badp

@murgatroid99 yeah, secret room items are quite rare now

murgatroid99

10:32 PM

But now I never need a Secret Room item pedestal again

badp

I was just saying that black lotus is not particularly hard to get. I guess one item has to be the last one.

@murgatroid99 The secret room item pool was so good in WotL.

In Rebirth they're barely worth the effort.

murgatroid99

@badp It's hard because it's only in the secret room item pool

Ben Brocka

So if I cancel a preorder for a limited item on Amazon it's just thrown to the wolves, right? I have a "spare" Majora's Mask LE on there that I don't need, but I don't think I can really cancel it and say "here buy it quick" and expect that to work, right?

badp

@Chippies Surprisingly the italian is mostly unbroken

Ben Brocka

@murgatroid99 seed exploit made this tolerable. They need to just let seeds count for collection %, there's no skill in it, it's just annoying busywork and RNG

fredley

10:35 PM

@badp This is Bollywood levels of bad

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka what seed exploit?

badp

@fredley It spawned so many gifs

fredley

►

Chippies

@badp what do you mean by unbroken?

badp

@Chippies It's mostly actual Italian

Ben Brocka

10:36 PM

@murgatroid99 before 1.031 you can enter a seed, exit to the main menu, go back and start a run, and it's a "normal" run using that seed

still works on Playstation versions as they're on 1.03

Even with the seed exploit I spend 2 hours looking for 1 Up, I can't imagine doing it for all the items I was missing (it was at least 10)

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka Oh, that's not for me then. And you're right, seeded runs really should count for that.

Chippies

@badp not sure I understand why it matters or maybe I just still don't understand what you mean

Ben Brocka

BASE MENT is actually a super fun way to collect almost all the items, it should just be how you do that

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka My second-to-last missing item was Sacred Heart

Ben Brocka

the skill is in the unlocking, just have seeds not unlock and there you go

Chippies

10:38 PM

@badp are you implying the japanese spiderman is not japanese or what?

murgatroid99

That's a special item and an angel room item, which is a pain in the ass

Ben Brocka

Any angel room item is a pain, Godhead is usually the last people find

badp

@Chippies because the movie is made in Australia

they could've just made words up etc.

Ben Brocka

secret room items are so rare I couldnt' even find seeds for most of them

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka It's probably also the last people unlock

Chippies

10:38 PM

@badp ah, didn't know that part

I also only skipped through it, didn't really pick up what language they were speaking

Ben Brocka

yeah, by the time I got godhead I had found most everything else in the angel room

only two sacred hearts over the whole game though

One of which I only got because I rerolled Holy Mantle on accident but that's okay

Chippies

GUYZ, does this seem like a good tool kit for 32$ (price+shipping)?

or if anyone has any good tool kits to recommend, I'm open for suggestions

I have been in far too many situations where I need a screwdriver and the shitty ones we have don't fit, because they're far or short or just shitty

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka I still need to unlock all of the Lost items

Ben Brocka

Don't bother with collection until you do. Plat God doesn't do anything by itself that I'm aware of and you'll just have to do it again later

Batophobia

@Chippies I'm going to bet the Android.SE chatroom would be more helpful to you

Ben Brocka

10:45 PM

though most of them except godhead are easy, I think that's the only special pool item

Chippies

@Batophobia it's not specific to android or phones in general, it would be used for PC's and laptops and other stuff

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka I just wanted to get Platinum God, because I'm not actually sure I can win with the Lost

Chippies

it jsut so happens that the smartphone tool kit is the one that seemed to be decent at a decent price (idk what a decent price is for tool kits)

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka godhead is angel room

Batophobia

@Chippies It's designed for phone repair, according to the description

Ben Brocka

10:46 PM

@murgatroid99 ah

yeah, godhead is angel, the others are treasure pool I think

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka angel and treasure

badp

@BenBrocka I'm still missing that one

somehow

Ben Brocka

The Lost...is a fun challenge with Holy Mantle. It's insufferable garbage otherwise

Chippies

@Batophobia it is, but the second picture shows unscrewing something in a, what looks like, PC case

Arperum

@murgatroid99 You are bound to get lucky if you try enough. I got two wins with the lost in over 700 plays.

murgatroid99

10:47 PM

@Arperum That sounds extraordinarily painful and frustrating

Ben Brocka

The "strategy" is just mash R until you find a holy mantle on the first floor more or less

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka basically this

Arperum

My second win ended on my last life of dead cat. The other run I died once, and was able to return thanks to dead cat. That run had holy mantle though.

Ben Brocka

it should really start with that item or something else to make it at least somewhat reasonable. It's still really really hard with mantle, but you can use Curse rooms and make tiny mistakes rarely

Batophobia

@Chippies 4th picture is a PC motherboard so yea you can use it on a PC, but I'm going to bet their description is aimed at finding users looking to repair their phones. So, more likely that phone repairers have used it

murgatroid99

10:49 PM

@BenBrocka and then I assume you go into every curse room looking for the dead Cat

Ben Brocka

@murgatroid99 basically yes. The annoying thing is Dead Cat and Stop Watch are the other two best items but Curse Rooms aren't usable unless you actually find dead cat in them OR you have holy mantle

Arperum

@BenBrocka This accounts for a couple hundred deaths of mine. Whenever I was frustrated I'd just hold "r" until I got an itemroom next to the start.

murgatroid99

I kind of want to do this just to 100% the game, but the thought of "I'm going to go home and hold the R key for an hour" just doesn't sound appealing

Ben Brocka

you think you have it bad, on playstation there's no quick restart. Fortunately the seed exploit worked. I'd go mad without it AND no quick reset

@murgatroid99 unfortunately this is a big part of 100% too. The Lost and item collection are by far my biggest problems with the game. They are not skill based, they are not fun

There's a bit of skill in The Lost, but it's overridden by how significant items are to your survival

murgatroid99

@BenBrocka Item collection was a little different though. I was doing whole playthroughs with Isaac, 45 minutes at a time, just to get a chance at rerolling a Secret Room item pedestal. It was tedious, but at least there was variation

Ben Brocka

10:56 PM

You lucked out if you didn't have Steven or angel room items to collect. Secret rooms are possibly the worst though

I know a few people rerolling Basement 1 endlessly just trying to get Steven

murgatroid99

20 mins ago, by murgatroid99

@BenBrocka My second-to-last missing item was Sacred Heart

The other one was Stopwatch, which I had just unlocked, but that didn't take too long and I've seen it a couple of times since I first found it

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