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Joshua Maciel on December 15, 2014

Hi English-language readers! This blog post is not for you; perhaps you’d like a hat instead? No? Well, when last we spoke of creating non-English versions of Stack Overflow, some of you were certain we should’ve gone the easy route and just leveraged a machine translation service instead of creating real sites for real people to use. I humbly invite you to read the rest of this post using the mechanical babelfish of your choice, and see if you think such tools can be relied on for important work… …

 
YeZ
YeZ
OK you may resume wildly voting on my posts now.
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YeZ
YeZ
3:59 AM
testing
 
 
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msh210
msh210
8:19 AM
@DoubleAA Butter doesn't need to be chalav Yisrael (even without Rav Moshe's heter). [citation needed]
 
msh210
msh210
8:36 AM
yodeya.com/a/50328 has my theoretical vote for deletion as a 10,000-rep user (not actually being cast because that'd effect deletion). Deletion is for answers of "extremely low quality: There is little to no scope for improvement", which I think describes this one pretty well; moreover, it's taking up a lot of screen real estate. Three deletion votes delete it, so if it garners two, I'll actually cast mine.
... b'li neder. Assuming I see the two deletion votes.
 
 
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Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
1:54 PM
@msh210 I disagree. I think he makes his case plausibly. I'm not convinced that he's right, but I don't think it's so off-the-wall as to merit deletion.
 
 
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Double AA
Double AA
3:37 PM
We have a user with that gematria in fact. — Double AA ♦ 12 hours ago
Pinging @Shokhet ^^^
@IsaacMoses I concur. @msh210
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@DoubleAA With whom?
@DoubleAA Oh! Now I get it. Yay for Yiddish
 
msh210
msh210
3:52 PM
@IsaacMoses I posted that based on what I'd read, which had been before the addendum was, er, added. I guess you're right for the current version. (Which means I was wrong about the earlier version that there's "little to no scope for improvement".) But I'd up your "I'm not convinced he's right" to "I'm fairly well convinced he's wrong".
@IsaacMoses I think it was a comment on the oddity of transliteration (which iirc is noted by @Shokhet himself) rather than on Yiddish spelling.
Did I get that right, @DoubleAA?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@msh210 Me, too, rather.
@msh210 His profile points to this as explanation for the transliteration, apparently indicating that it's based on a surname that's spelled in Hebrew with a 'chof', which I presume is due to Yiddish transliteration
 
msh210
msh210
I'd be surprised to learn that "ritual slaughterer" in Yiddish is spelled with a khaf, @IsaacMoses.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@msh210 I'd've been surprised to learn that "Judah" in Yiddish was spelled with a final 'alef', but apparently, it is
 
msh210
msh210
I should clarify:
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
Welcome to the Bam, @BSteinhurst
 
msh210
msh210
4:05 PM
I'd be surprised to learn it's spelled שכט. (Otoh שעכט wouldn't surprise me.)
 
BSteinhurst
BSteinhurst
@IsaacMoses Thanks but just passing through this morning.
 
msh210
msh210
Er, sorry. (Mobile. Can't see as much of the above at a time.) That's "slaughter" not "slaughterer". The point stands, though: I tend to doubt שכט is a word.
 
Yishai
Yishai
4:40 PM
Yiddish doesn't have formal spelling rules, just loose convention. If it represents the pronunciation of the word, you can never really say it is wrong. Just saying ...
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Charles Koppelman
Charles Koppelman
5:10 PM
@Yishai don't tell that to the folks at YIVO
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havarka
havarka
6:12 PM
@Yishai thumbs up
@CharlesKoppelman It would be interesting to see how folks from YIVO will speak to chasidishe chevre :)
 
 
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YeZ
YeZ
7:14 PM
@IsaacMoses your current hat fits you wonderfully.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@YeZ Thanks! Many of them do a good job of complementing the nice round hole, as they do your frisbee. (Though the color-coordination you've got going on now is especially good.)
... or did you mean that it fits well with content like
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Q: Setting aside Shabbat to answer the President's call

Isaac MosesIn an old MSNBC news story about Jack Lew, a Shabbat-observant Jew who was just appointed to be the new White House Chief of Staff, there's a story about his getting a call from President Clinton when Lew was his budget director. It says: Lew later consulted with his rabbi, who said that taki...

halacha shabbat pikuachnefesh-danger-life current-events politics-government
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A: If Lev Melech B'yad Hashem, why bother voting?

Isaac MosesIn an apparently-open letter dated October 3, 1984, R' Moshe Feinstein urged Jews in the United States to vote as a means of expressing hakaras hatov (appreciation) for the democratic system in the United States, which allows for a safe haven in which Jews can live and practice Judaism. The lette...

 
YeZ
YeZ
@IsaacMoses I meant the former, but it's particularly appropriate with the second of those posts.
It gives Uncle Sam a Vivi-like face and a British Parliament-like wig.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@YeZ Heh. Good point about the wig. Did you see how I had Jew-bling earrings in it before?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
I'm supposed to have a hairboat, but my icon doesn't have any hair.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
Q: Is it OK to say "Jew-bling"? ... Closed as off-topic.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
7:46 PM
I feel like i'm changing my hat every few minutes. I need to stop.
But i did retake 1st place (currently tied with @IsaacMoses)!
 
YeZ
YeZ
@IsaacMoses No, I missed that.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses Yup!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Scimonster Again?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses Yes. I'm a hat-chaser. (At least here - too hard to keep up on MSE and SO.)
 
YeZ
YeZ
8:04 PM
@IsaacMoses You put back on your Jew-bling?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@YeZ It's getting close to Chanuka. I don't want to be without my stars of David.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Fine, but the bow-tie did finish off your black-hole-face very nicely.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@YeZ Gotta step back from the assimilation sometimes.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Even at the cost of having a well-defined face!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
Thank you, whoever just allowed me to pull ahead of @Scimonster.
Awooooo!
 
Davïd
Davïd
8:13 PM
@MonicaCellio - thanks for the edit! It's a privilege to share a post with you. :) And quick update on it: Jon is "going to raise it with our developers this week", but at a busy time. There's hope of progress on that front, anyway, which is good for us all, IMO.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Davïd Just curious, what's this about?
@IsaacMoses NOOOOOO
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
 
Davïd
Davïd
@Scimonster Sorry - that was a bit overly cryptic. ;) We had a serendipitous joint project today, as it happened. Looks like it might come good!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Scimonster (That wasn't you, was it? Cause that would be cute.)
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses What hat?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
8:29 PM
@Scimonster Werewolf hunter
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses Why the edit? :P
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Scimonster Eh. Wasn't that funny
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
No, it wasn't. But i almost did.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Scimonster You could try to reverse the effects by downvoting it.
Not that I would recommend gaming the hat system by messing with SE voting.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses You don't lose badges anyways. I upvoted because i like the Q.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
8:32 PM
@Scimonster Thanks.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
The only badges that can be lost are tag badges.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@Scimonster Can you lose hats? What if I delete and undelete an answer?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@YeZ I don't think you lose hats. Try it!
I have a funny latke hat. It doesn't really look like a latke.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@Scimonster What do I need to delete? A positive or negative voted answer?
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Davïd hi! Glad to help, and thanks for making the suggestion. Great to hear it might gain some traction. So how're things with you?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
8:41 PM
@YeZ I think you get it for either.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@Scimonster Do you think I need to give it enough time to cache before undeleting?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@YeZ Probably.
I wonder why i don't have Fascinating, Maam yet.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@Scimonster is that different than fascinating?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@YeZ Yes, maam.
 
YeZ
YeZ
@Scimonster waiting for hat....
Can I get the badge for deleting a +3 answer and then undelete?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
8:45 PM
@YeZ Yup.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@YeZ Sounds pretty sketchy
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses Yes, but technically permitted. (@YEZ)
 
YeZ
YeZ
@IsaacMoses Well, I must try it in the name of science!
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@IsaacMoses I just got a bunch of pings to Bam....you were discussing Joseph's answer to my "האל" question?
(I didn't read the addendum thoroughly, yet)
@IsaacMoses It's unclear to me as to whether this comment was made with regard to Joseph's answer, or something Yiddish.....I don't really follow that conversation, there.
@DoubleAA . . . .Don't we have users with many gematriyos? — Shokhet 13 secs ago
You're wearing my hat!!! Give it back! :P — Shokhet 6 secs ago
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Shokhet No, he's wearing his own hat. Yours is just superimposed. :P
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
8:57 PM
@Scimonster Did you give up on hats? ....I don't see one on you, now.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Shokhet Zoom in, i have a funny latke.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Scimonster Waffle?
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Shokhet Yup. Or a funny latke.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Scimonster Similar to a "pasul menorah"? ;-)
 
Davïd
Davïd
@MonicaCellio A bit busy, but I get the impression that's a fairly widely shared feeling just now! Glad to say, I collected some "Gelt" earlier today - a little late, but better late than never! :)
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
8:59 PM
@Shokhet And the partial seder plate
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Scimonster If you got that, you should totally wear it :)
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Shokhet I didn't, and doubt i will. :/
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Scimonster You stand a good chance of it on Lifehacks, actually.
A very good chance
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@Shokhet Possibly. Or SO.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
Three answers in two minutes. I'm impressed! ;-) — Shokhet Dec 10 at 0:02
That's what happens with a private beta site :D — Door Handle Dec 10 at 0:03
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
9:03 PM
Well, GTG.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
TZT, @Scimonster! חנוכה שמח :)
 
Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
@Davïd I like how you collect gelt by giving away rep. :-)
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
This was a very fast answer. I'm impressed!
 
Matt
Matt
9:41 PM
@Shokhet I'm not sure if this is the place to discuss, but do you actually think Rabbeinu Efraim said that Binyamin was a werewolf?! I know that's what Slifkin claims on his blog but I didn't think anyone else believed that
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Matt Why wouldn't this be the place to discuss it?
@Matt I just skimmed the answers on that question....I didn't really do good research on it.
 
Matt
Matt
I don't use that chat much so I thought it might just be for discussing things more relevant to the site. In that case I'll just make a statement: IMHO, Rabbeinu Efraim never said that Binyamin was a werewolf (and that would be a pretty irreverent statement to make, I think)
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
I see. I've never seen it inside....and you're probably right that it's not really respectful to Binyamin.
D'you know where I might find a copy, so I could see what Rabbeinu Efraim actually said?
 
Matt
Matt
Well, the respectful issue would probably depend on whether you think werewolves are people lehalakha (like for tumas ohel, etc)... I would ask that as a question here, but...
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
I never thought about that. That would be an interesting issue to see raised here.
Why not ask?
 
Double AA
Double AA
9:57 PM
@DoubleAA, when you get down to it, saying that Binyamin was a werewolf is hardly less odd - except that it's a rishon who says it. — Alex Jan 20 '12 at 20:09
Alex for some reason seemed to have taken it literally FWIW. משיב חכמים אחור ודעתם יסכל I guess.
 
Matt
Matt
So does Slifkin. Less odd than what? And perhaps considering that the "not a real question" option as a vote to close doesn't exist anymore, maybe asking this question isn't so risky
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Double AA
Double AA
@Matt Less odd than Esav being a vampire. See the earlier comments there.
 
Matt
Matt
sorry yeah I found it. and Eisav being a vampire isn't as odd, since it's not a matter of reverence for someone whom chazal have interpreted as a tzaddik
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
TZT everyone. Watch out for werewolves. :)
 
Double AA
Double AA
 
Matt
Matt
10:03 PM
Ah, that's an excellent example. Now I'm going to ask if werewolves and vampires are mitamin b'ohel... and elves! I should ask about elves!
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
TZT @Scimonster :) .....if I spot one, I'm ready ;-)
@Matt Define "elf," before asking, though....that's a tough one.
 
Matt
Matt
True. I already know about mermaids, luckily. There's a comment of the Raavad to Toras Kohanim which categorizes them as sea-creatures
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
They're mentioned on Bechoros 7b-8a (or thereabouts), if I'm not mistaken....but no mention about tumah
 
Matt
Matt
indeed, though the rishonim differ as to how to interpret it (it might just be referring to boring old dolphins or something like that), but I was going to ask about their halakhically human status
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@Scimonster Ringring ringing. Telephone for me. Hello? Oh, am I two hats past Scimonster now? Wonderful. Thank you. <click>
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@IsaacMoses <flag>Juvenile</flag>
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
10:11 PM
@Matt You might want to post a Q/A set about mermaids -- that would be interesting.
Also, you might want to ask separate questions about werewolves and vampires -- there is certainly room to say that they're different.
^^^ IMO, based on nothing in particular
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
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1000/1190 days = 84% attendance
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@HodofHod Nice fit.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Thank you! Lots of experience with these, my dad's got like four.
Obligatory: In Soviet Russia, hat wear you!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
@HodofHod Nice. I've only got 82%.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@IsaacMoses What's the ratio? I can't see attendance on others' profiles.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
10:23 PM
@HodofHod 1507/1836
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HodofHod
HodofHod
Whoa! I didn't realize I was 646 days late to the party.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@HodofHod I came even later :P
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@IsaacMoses Just one now!
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@HodofHod Did you come in as a 1.0 user or a 2.0 user?
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
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Q: How shall we celebrate Mi Yodeya's fifth birthday?

Monica CellioOn 6 December 2009 (19 Kislev 5770) question #1 was asked, launching this excellent site. The fifth anniversary of Mi Yodeya's arrival in the world will, B"H, be coming up on 6 December (secular calendar) or 11 December (19 Kislev). How shall we celebrate this? (Yes Isaac, I noticed what you s...

discussion site-promotion
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
10:25 PM
@Shokhet I think I was shortly after the 2.0 started.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@HodofHod Ah. That would probably explain it, then.
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Yeah. I don't think it was listed in the network list till then, which is how I found it.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@Scimonster Nice!!!
 
Isaac Moses
Isaac Moses
10:27 PM
@Scimonster Y"K!!
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
I'm about to ask a question about shinuy .....do we have a shinuy tag? None popped up in the tag suggestion thingy
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Not that I know of. Does shinuy need its own tag? What's the question?
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
A how-to about shinuy.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Well, use your best judgement :)
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
So far, I've tagged [how-to], [shabbat], and [hotzaa-carrying-reshuyot]
Incidentally, it would also fit this question, that I linked to in mine.
I haven't found many questions that it would fit, though.....
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
10:35 PM
@Shokhet IMO, better to use the tag, and if the community thinks its sufficiently unnecessarily, we can remove it later. Better to use more tags than fewer, is my way of thinking.
The worst is when it's just [halacha] and nothing else.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@HodofHod Aha. I hear what you're saying.....
@HodofHod :)
Wording.....shinuy-change-from-norm, or just shinuy?
.....some tags here add an English translation to them, some don't.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
[shinuy-deviation] perhaps?
That is, I'd definitely recommend an English translation.
 
Scimonster
Scimonster
@HodofHod I know, then it feels like Stack Overflow. :O
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@Scimonster *gasps*
:D
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
10:52 PM
@HodofHod That's a good idea.....I might just go for that.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
You gave me an Evil (definitely) Genius (debatable) idea: think if I wrote a script to suggest tag edits based on keywords already contained in the title or body of a question, I could build an army of sock puppets with 1000 rep each.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
@HodofHod Don't you already have a script that does that?
Oh, tag edits.....gotcha
Interesting idea.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
...no. ?
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
no what?
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
Oh, you mean the suggest tags script I have? That suggests them to you, this would suggest them to SO review.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
10:55 PM
IINM, you have a script that suggests tags for a question that the person asked. That's what I was thinking of.
@HodofHod Right, got that :)
Be careful, though....your sock puppets might create tags by accident.
They'd have to choose from a list of pre-existing tags.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@Shokhet Right. It'd have a pre-compiled list of likely tags.
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
11:22 PM
@HodofHod I asked it already. Now I think I'll edit the tag wiki for [shinuy-deviation]
 
Shokhet
Shokhet
11:34 PM
I'm not sure why there is an off-topic VTC here. IMO it's a perfectly okay question to ask, as it's about understanding a gemara. — Shokhet 40 secs ago
 

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