TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2014-07-23 (page 2 of 2)

7:06 PM

If you want to go ballistic, a scripting language might help you there. :) Say, in Ruby:

p = lambda {|q| puts '\\printbibliography{'.concat(Dir::glob(q.concat('*.bib')).map!{|x| x[0..-5]}.join(",")).concat('}')}; p.call('../Sandbox/')

gives me \printbibliography{../Sandbox/mybiblio,../Sandbox/test196,../Sandbox/mybiblio2}‌. :) — Paulo Cereda 30 secs ago

Gotta love being ballistic. :)

Actually it's just \bibliography. Oopsie.

Christian Hupfer

Hello to everybody

@egreg: Congratulation ;-)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Bad Paulo, bad, bad, Paulo. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/192917/…

E_L

Hello. I have a question I was hoping you could help me with. I've just recently moved to a new computer and my thesis no longer has citations. Instead it just comes up with the citation key. I'm using texstudio if that makes a difference. Similar questions I've found haven't been answered or are closed and I'm told to come here.

percusse

@PauloCereda arara is on its way of becoming the emacs of TeX

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0

Q: How can I optimize the arara (un)zip-program?

I have written zip.yaml - it works as I can see. !config # zip rule for arara # author: cis # version: 0.1 # requires arara 3.0+, zip identifier: zip name: Zip command: <arara> @{unzip}@{program} @{options} @{outputpath}@{name}.@{extension} '@{data0} @{data}' @{encrypt} @{pw} arguments: - ident...

arara

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn LOL

@percusse FUUUUUUUU

percusse

7:15 PM

SSSSCHIIAAAAAAAAAA

I guess it's the logo color right?

Alan Munn

@E_L Did you transfer your .bib file too? Did you compile with latex, bibtex, latex and latex?

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Surely. :)

E_L

@AlanMunn I did. Did all of the above.

Alan Munn

@percusse Perfect. THAT's gonna get a lot of stars for sure!

Please don't touch

Sorry. How can I download all of files in tug.org/svn/… at once?

Alan Munn

7:17 PM

@E_L And what appears in the log/console output? Especially when you run bibtex.

percusse

@AlanMunn I've put all the relevant buzzwords together, it's like the Euler equation

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: I learned a lot of Russian swear expression while watching the Dota 2 tournament. This might come in handy later on. :)

E_L

Process started: biber.exe "thesis"

Use of uninitialized value $llabel in concatenation (.) or string at C:\Users\LB~1\AppData\Local\Temp\par-4c69616d20426f7964\cache-6bef6bfac2f8155f13b160f6720d3dbe6a10b684\inc\lib/Biber.pm line 675.

Use of uninitialized value in string eq at C:\Users\LB~1\AppData\Local\Temp\par-4c69616d20426f7964\cache-6bef6bfac2f8155f13b160f6720d3dbe6a10b684\inc\lib/Biber/SortLists.pm line 77.

INFO - This is Biber 1.8
INFO - Logfile is 'thesis.blg'
INFO - Reading 'thesis.bcf'

Please don't touch

@PauloCereda China team is the winner.

Alan Munn

@E_L Ah, ok. So you are using biblatex for bibliographies?

Paulo Cereda

7:18 PM

@Pleasedon'ttouch Really? I didn't watch the finals.

E_L

@AlanMunn see above. I don't know what the errors are, it doesn't display them

Paulo Cereda

Vici vs. Newbee.

Please don't touch

@PauloCereda Yes. I think the china team won.

E_L

@AlanMunn biber/biblatex

Please don't touch

Newbee won.

Paulo Cereda

7:19 PM

oooooh!

percusse

@PauloCereda DOTA? Don't oscillate together ancontrollably? Bah... almost

E_L

\usepackage[
backend=biber,
block=space,
date=long,
doi=false,
dashed=false,
eprint=false,
firstinits=true,
isbn=false,
minnames=2,
maxnames=2,
mincitenames=2,
maxcitenames=2,
natbib=true,
sortcites=false,
sorting=nyt,
style=authoryear-comp,
terseinits=true,
uniquelist=false,
uniquename=false,
url=false
]{biblatex}

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Engineers bah. :P

Alan Munn

@E_L No, that error is helpful. Hang on a second.

percusse

@PauloCereda That's warcraft no? kinda...

Paulo Cereda

7:20 PM

@percusse Yep! It started as a mod, then evolved to its own thing. :)

@percusse: I'm feeling like Victor Frankenstein. The code of arara 6.0 is growing, and the bird is taking a lot of steroids. I'm expecting angry threatening letters from Peta.

Paul Gessler

@E_L current biber version (for use with current biblatex 2.9) is 1.9. You may need to update.

percusse

@PauloCereda I wonder why these always take place either in the history or future. We are literally the most boring era of all time. Excuse the pun

Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

Which reminds me to play End of an era from Nightwish.

percusse

Defend the starbucks from the hipsters... nothing close to Age of empires

E_L

@PaulGessler Ok. I just downloaded/installed MikTex a couple of days ago... I guess that the updates won't have been combined in the latest MikTex?...

Alan Munn

7:24 PM

@E_L I was going to agree with @PaulGessler on this, but now I'm not so sure. No, if you just downloaded the latest MikTeX I would be pretty certain that the version of biber you have is up-to-date. (I'm not a MikTeX /Windows user myself, though.)

Paul Gessler

@E_L 32- or 64-bit MikTeX (and I assume MikTeX 2.9)?

If 64-bit, see:

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Q: Install Biber in MiKTeX on a 64-bit version of Windows

The question Biblatex + Biber + Texmaker + MiKTeX describe how to use Biber with MiKTeX. But on the 64-bit version of MiKTeX Biber isn't installed. How it is possible to install Biber on a 64-bit version of Windows? Can I use this file?

biblatex miktex windows biber

Christian Hupfer

I wished I had I moderator ping just now

E_L

@PaulGessler its 32-bit. In MiKTeX Package Manager it says "MiKTeX Package Manager (windowed mode) version 2.9.4248

Johannes_B

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Q: How should I fix the "Option clash for package babel" connected with "undefined control sequence" with hyperref?

I have these two problems: Option clash for package babel. \usepackage (followed by: [T1]{fontenc}) (...) Texlipse Build Error Undefined control sequence: \ProcessKeyvalOptions{Hyp} (followed by: ) (Occurance: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty)(...)Texlipse Build...

hyperref babel option-clash

^^ Can someone take a look at the comments?

E_L

@PaulGessler the date for miktex-biber-bin in the package manager is 2013-11-01 21:06

percusse

7:29 PM

@Johannes_B It basically says I don't know what I'm doing so it must be somebody else's fault. Just leave it alone for a day or two

Johannes_B

@percusse Will do, thanks.

Paul Gessler

@E_L ok nvm that then.

wipet

@egreg @DavidCarlisle I can outline what I did do about namespaces 15 ears ago. You can use
\namespace xxx \def\foo... \let\bar... \chardef\something etc. \endnamespace
All things are processed within the scope \namespace \endnamespace normally
plus all new declared control sequences are stored into internal table.
And the \endnamespace does the following work:
1) All control sequences from the internal table are internally renamed from
\foo to \xxx_foo. I.e. \foo is \undefined after that.
2) All token lists with parameter text and macro body of these sequences

Johannes_B

@percusse btw: i am still regularly listen to the Journey/Miley Cyrus Mashup :-) Thx for that.

Alan Munn

@E_L Have you tried this:

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A: Biblatex/biber fails with a strange error about missing recode_data.xml file

The error you are getting is a well known issue with biber. It creates binaries in a cache folder, and sometimes that can get corrupted. In order to solve the problem, you need to manually delete the cache folders. The name of the cache folder will be something like the following: par-<hex_en...

Paulo Cereda

7:33 PM

@percusse: we are now hipsters, arara processes XML too.

percusse

@Johannes_B Haha!

egreg

@Papiro @ChristianHupfer Thanks.

E_L

@AlanMunn Will give it a go. Am just running the MiKTeX update in the hope that maybe there's an update I missed or something was corrupted!

Alan Munn

@E_L As @PaulGessler said, the error is ususally associated with having the wrong version of biber for the version of biblatex you have. Is it possible that you have a local version of biblatex in your local texmf and an up-to-date biber? That might also give the same error.

Paul Gessler

@AlanMunn sorry about my bad advice in the chat (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16730575#16730575) and thank you for correcting, btw. I'm continuously learning how things work around here. :-)

Please don't touch

7:41 PM

why does TUG use SVN rathen than GIT?

David Carlisle

@Pleasedon'ttouch lots of people do

Paul Gessler

@Pleasedon'ttouch I ask the same about my employer. A lot of times (at least it's this way in my experience) it's just a question of who set up the project and in which VCS he/she has experience.

Please don't touch

@DavidCarlisle and @PaulGessler: OK thanks.

David Carlisle

@Pleasedon'ttouch If you want a central repository and not expecting forked distributed development svn has a lot of advantages. Also of course tug is a lot older than git, and rcs/cvs/svn is a more naural evolution than moving to git at some point

Please don't touch

@DavidCarlisle OK.

Paul Gessler

8:01 PM

@E_L it's possible there is something wrong. I just checked portable 2.9.5105 and it included biber 1.8

@E_L I just checked 32-bit 2.9.5105 full installer and it also includes biber 1.8 for some reason.

E_L

8:31 PM

@PaulGessler The update has just finished. I think that has cured it. Thanks for all your help and assistance!

Paul Gessler

@E_L great, glad to hear it!

Christian Hupfer

8:56 PM

@JosephWright: Could you take a look on this editing tex.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/48407, I think it was too much, to edit an accepted answer, although the question is 'old'

Alan Munn

@PaulGessler No problem at all. It's always nice to have more people who are willing to help with questions that arise in chat, and there's not always a single right answer, especially for that kind.

@ChristianHupfer That's a kind of a close call. The edit improves the answer because it also adds details that should work for LaTeX as well as ConTeXt. It's true that Aditya is a ConTeXt person, but this question isn't really about that, so I think the edit isn't so inappropriate. The alternative would be to suggest that the editor add a new answer, but that would essentially duplicate Aditya's answer anyway. I would be inclined to accept the edit.

@ChristianHupfer And any time an answer or question you wrote gets edited, you receive a notice, so Aditya will be informed of the edit too, and he obviously could roll it back if he felt it didn't preserve the spirit of his answer.

Christian Hupfer

9:15 PM

@AlanMunn: I see, anyway, I am always reluctant to approve such strong editing, regardless of the quality. If Aditya has not reacted yet, it's possible alright.

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer I'm not strongly disagreeing with you. :) So I think rejecting the edit isn't necessarily bad either. It really is a close call.

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn: I can live with that ;-)

Werner

9:54 PM

Opinions are welcomed:

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Q: How to deal with robo-reviewers?

The following is taken from What are the review queues, and how do they work?: The review queues (also known as review tasks) contain posts that possibly need community attention, as determined by the system or other community users. You are shown these posts, one at a time, and you "review" ...

discussion moderation review-page

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Christian Hupfer

@Werner: I feel deeply addressed :D

Werner

@ChristianHupfer I'm attempting to solicit some community feedback, after which I might post a similar question on Meta Stack Exchange to see how they suggest one deals with it.

Current, only Stack Overflow has this functionality (as far as I know) and I'd like to suggest it be pushed out further; or request ways of dealing with it on a site-by-site basis.

tohecz

@Werner flagging reviews?

Werner

@tohecz Something like that...

Christian Hupfer

@Werner: I know, we talked two days ago, you remember? About that Looks good chat message of you...

Werner

10:02 PM

@ChristianHupfer Yes.

@tohecz It feels strange that people actions should be moderated, but the same probably goes for actions on others actions... if it is not always handled appropriately.

:-|

Christian Hupfer

@Werner: I agree with you, that two queues are quite troublesome: Suggested Edits and Low Quality Posts, and I have perhaps clicked too fast, but there are some reviewers (sorry, about this spoiler ;-)), they approve anything

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer well, then you have First Posts and No Action Needed action. The only case when no action is needed is when someone else has already acted.

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Agreed, that is causing trouble too, but sometimes, when I come across on such a first post, somebody already has edited (improved??) or made some comments about it, so what else apart of possible retagging can you do? I rely on the rep of a 5000+ user that he/she will not introduce rubbish by editing, so No Action needed, otherwise I can check myself, improve it, look for duplicates or, if necessary, flag it

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer that's what I say, this is the case when it's fine

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Sorry, didn't notice that you edited your message ;-)

@Werner: I suspect, that you will get comments and answers up to the roof ;-)

Werner

10:18 PM

@ChristianHupfer There's been no activity yet... ;)

Christian Hupfer

@Werner: It will take some time, on Meta, I believe

@Werner: And those guys that should feel addressed won't answer, either feeling guilty or they do not contribute to Meta at all

tohecz

@Werner I am, for instance, opening every single suggested edit where the reviewers didn't agree. I see some stuff that is IMHO alarming. I'll re-check the things tomorrow and maybe post an answer. However, if I decide to do so, it won't be nice :-/

@ChristianHupfer btw, I agree with all your rejects I've met in the first couple pages of the review history, just FYI :)

Werner

@tohecz Well, TeX - LaTeX Meta is about TeX - LaTeX, and that's where things happen. If it is a problem and the community feels it needs addressing, then so be it.

@tohecz There is no need to point fingers at individuals, but rather address the issue with generalities...

tohecz

@Werner well, I'm not afraid of being specific and name people

Werner

@tohecz :)

Christian Hupfer

10:27 PM

@tohecz: Thanks, I have not looked so far on your review list... I should do from now on... but it is, as Werner stated two days ago in chat: Some guys have a review pattern ;-)

Werner

@tohecz Well, I'll wait to see whether my name makes it into your naughty-list then.

tohecz

@Werner lol :D

I'll probably just try and take like 20 reviews, and explain why I don't agree with the 2-people consensus. Everyone can then check who was participating in the (IMHO wrong) decision the most

it won't directly answer your meta question, but heck, meta is about discussion and this way, strong arguments showing that some action is needed can be presented

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: That's a good point: I do not understand, why it just takes only two approvers (does that word exist at all?) for Suggested edits, but it needs 5 close voters.

Werner

@tohecz Yes, meta answers aren't always answers to the question. As such, voting is also somewhat different. Up-votes showing support for an idea, and down-votes showing opposition to the idea.

tohecz

@Werner I know :)

Christian Hupfer

10:32 PM

And why is allowed, for fresh yours to do edits of other posts too. It should be limited to say, 500+.

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer I think you can say "two approvals" in this case :)

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Thanks ;-)

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer I don't see anything wrong with people being able to suggest edits from almost the very beginning. But the reviewers have to do their job correctly

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: There was some edit, some time ago, by a freshman (;-)) it was weird, introduced wrong content to an answer, it screwed up the post, and, you guess it already... it was approved... I can't remember exactly, however

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer and such thing exactly should lead to a review ban

Christian Hupfer

10:39 PM

@tohecz: I agree, but as long there is no audit available for TeX.SX (why wasn't it enabled for this site too?), we have to live with it.

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer review audits can't work in small scale

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Small scale? You mean, too few users?

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer too few users and too few reviews in general

you rarely have over 5 reviews a day. How many audits can you add to make them still well hidden etc?

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Close voting is easily extended over 5 reviews... but take a look on the First Posts stats and you will find the same name on top basically each day, with a review count of 15+... I still wonder: How is it possible? Is that user continously clicking on review, grabbing anything possible?

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes, he is.

Christian Hupfer

10:47 PM

@tohecz: ;-)

tohecz

anyways, I gotta go. Good night

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Good night

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer thanks. bye!

Werner

@tohecz :)

tohecz

@Werner I see what you did there :p byez

Christian Hupfer

11:00 PM

@Werner: How about your bees? ;-)

@Paulo: Nudge nudge ;-)

Werner

@ChristianHupfer Oh my... I'm eager to see what they're up to, but plan only on opening up one of our hives this Friday.

I anticipate that they've built out a great deal of comb, so I might add another super on the hive. I doubt we'll get much honey this year, but that's perhaps very standard for "new-bees". :)

You have to start somewhere.

No further stings though. Phew!

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Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Say no more. :)

Christian Hupfer

I have no idea if it's a good year for honey at all ... so it is better to let the honey to next generation, as you already considered

Paulo Cereda

@Werner It will be un-bee-lievable. :)

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Paul Gessler

@Werner some family friends of ours started bee-keeping this summer. Quite fascinating stuff, really. I was at their house a few weekends ago and there was a "turf war" of sorts going on with another hive.

Christian Hupfer

11:04 PM

@PauloCereda: No chance :P

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@PauloCereda: I could not have said it bee-tter :D

Werner

@PauloCereda He he.

@PaulGessler We recently had some wasps around... nasty little insects. Makes the bees agitated and territorial.

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Christian Hupfer

Reminds me on hexagonal convection cells (Rayleigh-Bénard) ;-)

Alan Munn

@ChristianHupfer Aditya has looked at an done a few extra bits of editing to the question we were discussing. So I think the system has worked as it should have.

Paul Gessler

@ChristianHupfer Also Giant's Causeway :-)

Christian Hupfer

@AlanMunn: Alright ;-)

@PaulGessler: Yes, thanks. Nice link! I remember to have seen such basalt columns already. Nature has an amazing tendency for symmetry (or using the principle of smallest energy ;-))

Paul Gessler

11:20 PM

@ChristianHupfer I never knew about that place until a fluids professor brought it up in lecture some months ago.

Christian Hupfer

@PaulGessler: Well, experts know (no, I am not one ;-)) I have not been there so far.

Werner

@PaulGessler That's neat.

Christian Hupfer

Oh, its almost half past one o'clock here, time for bed

Good night

Paul Gessler

@ChristianHupfer 'night!