English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:02 PM

@KitFox Isn't that what you do all the time? the KitFoxTrot?

Jasper Loy

FumbleFingers would reach 100k this year, I predict.

tchrist

Beanie, beanie, chili-beanie: the spirits are about to speak!

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exercise is its own reward. I just got back from my now daily 30-mile bike ride, and I feel amazing.

@tchrist *Eenie, meenie, chili-beanie

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I'm not saying it isn't without its benefits. I'm just arguing that it is a cure-all for mental illness like depression.

Robusto

@JasperLoy You've predicted 15 of the last two reputation milestones in ELU.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, of course it's not proof against any of that. But if you're able to do it, it does make you feel better.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:10 PM

@Robusto It makes you feel better, if that part of your brain is receptive to its effects, and if there isn't something else making you feel worse.

Robusto

Yup.

Like anything else, it can be overdone. When I get obsessive about exercise, that's when I get injured.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah. that too. But most people don't have that problem.

Robusto

It's how I ruined my knees playing basketball. I just craved the feeling that playing the game, and having just played it, brings.

Now I crave the feeling that a couple hours on the bike give me. So far my knees are fine with that. But it took me two years after my last knee surgery to get to that point.

Jasper Loy

I don't play basketball. The only balls I play with are my balls.

Johan Larsson

Biking should be gentle on the knees I think.

Robusto

7:15 PM

I can't imagine having less fun than playing with Jasper's balls.

@JohanLarsson It's not bad at all, so far.

Jasper Loy

I think swimming is good.

Robusto

I like Jell-O.

Johan Larsson

Swiming outside?

Jasper Loy

In a pool, of course.

Johan Larsson

Swimming is awesome, do it today. Bikeride tomorrow.

Robusto

7:17 PM

Jul 4 at 0:52, by Robusto

Swimming is the only physical exertion that's ever brought me close to puking.

Johan Larsson

@Rob We go biking to give the dogs exercise a couple of times per week this time of the year. We have pulling gear on them, with puppy it is breaking only the first 10 km.

Robusto

Breaking?

Or did you mean braking?

tchrist

We have a site spellchecker? Since when?

Jester Riddle, Bristol, England, UK

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Johan Larsson

Jul 12 at 23:14, by Johan Larsson

@Robusto Loke is not your average poodle :)

tchrist

Read his self-description.

@JohanLarsson Loki or Lucky?

Johan Larsson

7:19 PM

@Robusto dunno the difference, using the speed reduction device.

Robusto

@tchrist More like a self-deception.

@JohanLarsson That is braking.

Breaking is when things fall apart that shouldn't.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist Loke, some Nordic mythology name. You guys in chat helped me pick it.

@Robusto ty ty, dunno why I confused it.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Maybe because they are homonyms.

There is no difference in pronunciation. None whatsoever, in any dialect I'm aware of.

@JohanLarsson In Teutonic mythology, it would have been Loge.

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Johan Larsson

I car, not enough mbps for videolinks.

Robusto

Wait, you're text-chatting in the car? I hope your SO is driving.

Jasper Loy

7:25 PM

Never even talk when driving.

Johan Larsson

Yes, she has been driving 500 of the 600 km thus far.

Robusto

Nice.

I can't stand the way my wife drives, so I'm pretty much relegated to the status of chauffeur on long trips.

Johan Larsson

What do you find annoying?

tchrist

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Johan Larsson

@tchrist looking later when i have wifi

Robusto

7:27 PM

@JohanLarsson Speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down . . .

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I saw your 500 klicks and raised you 500 miles. :)

Robusto

Pick a speed and stick with it!

Johan Larsson

Oh, Kajsa got her license this year but she drives like a pro.

Robusto

@tchrist Actually, you only raised him the difference between miles and kilometers.

@JohanLarsson How is Kajsa pronounced?

Johan Larsson

If the sign says 110 she drives 112 and thinks she is speeding :)

Robusto

7:28 PM

Which is not the same as asking how pronounced Kajsa is.

Jasper Loy

I should email Obama and tell him to convert US to the metric system.

Johan Larsson

scratch that

Robusto

Me, I go 80 or 85 unless I'm in a hurry.

tchrist

@JasperLoy Feel free. It won’t happen. You can’t legislate language.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson And without the terminal /n/?

tchrist

7:29 PM

@JohanLarsson That’s within measurement error range.

Johan Larsson

I failed, I call her Kajson at times, that is Tyson s/T/K

tchrist

@Robusto Or in Utah or Nevada, or Texas or Wyoming or Montana.

KitFox

I used to be in love with a Kaija.

Robusto

Well, there's that. Last time I was in Utah I drove 130 for a time, then backed off to 110 or so.

Jasper Loy

!!wiki Kaja

tchrist

7:31 PM

@Robusto I set cruise at 120 for that part of Utah.

Robusto

Funny how 100 seems so slow once you've been up to 130.

tchrist

Yes, you’ve been velocitized.

Johan Larsson

@Robusto Starting like Kaisen, Kaisa dunno if it is good.

tchrist

And our 120 beats the pants off his 110. :)

Robusto

No, I think I get it. Thanks.

Jarvis the Bot

7:32 PM

Kajal Aggarwal

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Kajal Aggarwal

Kajal Aggarwal (born 19 June 1985) is an Indian actress, who predominantly appears in Telugu and also in Tamil films. Through her successful film career, Kajal has become one of the most popular celebrities in South India. In addition to her acting career, Kajal participates in stage shows and is a prominent celebrity endorser for brands and products. Kajal made her film debut in the 2004 Bollywood film Kyun...! Ho Gaya Na and entered the Telugu film industry through the film Lakshmi Kalyanam (2007). She had her first commercial success with Chandamama (2007) and rose to prominence aft...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist You can legislate some aspects of it. Like road signs.

Johan Larsson

I call her Hulk now.

Robusto

@tchrist 120 is appealing, if only because it's two miles a minute.

KitFox

What is going on with Jarvis?

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not even England does that.

KitFox

7:32 PM

brb

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Not even England passes legislation specifying what units will be used on road signs?

Robusto

@tchrist That doesn't keep the French from trying to do that.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It’s miles.

Matt Эллен

it's true. we have metric weights for produce etc, but miles on the road signs

but it is probably legislated

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist In Canada we switched from miles to km on all public signs: distance markers, speed limits, etc. That was accomplished by government fiat.

Robusto

7:34 PM

@MattЭллен I'm trying to remember if that's true. I can't, so I'll take your word. But I know Canada has kilometers on the signs.

Jinx.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We’d fire them.

Or pass a referendum reversing it.

Jasper Loy

Once I take over the world, I will make everyone learn English only.

tchrist

And then we’d put it in our Constitution(s).

Robusto

We actually started to switch to the metric system under Jimmy Carter. Then Reagan got in and killed that whole thing.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist you might. It happened once.

But the point is that the government CAN legislate that sort of thing.

They legislate all kinds of things like that.

Robusto

7:35 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What happened once? Jasper took over the world?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Wrong reply link

Jasper Loy

Victim of the moving target.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Governments cannot successfully legislate against the will of the majority.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist of course they can. It all depends on how much they want to do so, vs how much the majority cares to stop them.

Robusto

Well, I've been fumbled again.

I can't go on.

tchrist

7:37 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They tried that with pot laws in Colorado. So we forced a change to the State Constitution. Now they cannot legislate it at all, because the Constitution isn’t subject to legislation.

This is why there are crazy amendments.

Because legislators have no balls.

So we go around them.

Any highly unpopular law would soon find itself unConstitutional.

Hardly a good way to do things, though.

But what else can you do in this stupid and corrupt oligarchy?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist That may be possible in some states, but there are ways around that too. Like if the federal government tied some financial law together with the metric law. The states wouldn't HAVE to pass it, but they'd have good reason to do so and to prevent its undoing. etc.

If enough people cared to stop it, it could be stopped. But if enough people care about anything, then all kinds of shit is possible.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not very realistic: anybody who voted for that bill would lose their seat.

Matt Эллен

we could even go to the moon

KitFox

Like the thing with drinking age and federal funding.

And I don't think people lost their seats over that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Possibly. Not necessarily. Every other country has managed to legislate it.

KitFox

7:42 PM

But I wouldn't know.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But that is the point: the United States is not every other country.

No other democratic country ever had 300 million people using one system and then had somebody else try to ram something down their throats against their will.

Especially when the reasoning is “this is easier for international stuff”.

Around here, that’s a reason for more than half the country to vote against something sight unseen.

Because it is seen as foreign encroachment on national sovereignty.

Matt Эллен

the reason the UK has metric fruit and veg is because of EU legislation.

tchrist

If a foreign power tells us we have to do something, then we never will.

Matt Эллен

although I don't think it was a change for most of the rest of the EU

tchrist

The best way to make sure something is never done is to have some outsider demand it.

KitFox

7:45 PM

coughs

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist heh. Because the government never passes laws that the majority of people don't like. Except taxes. etc.

tchrist

Taxpayer Bill of Rights

The Taxpayer Bill of Rights (abbreviated TABOR) is a concept advocated by conservative and free market libertarian groups, primarily in the United States, as a way of limiting the growth of government. It is not a charter of rights but a provision requiring that increases in overall tax revenue be tied to inflation and population increases unless larger increases are approved by referendum. Colorado example The most well-known example of TABOR legislation is in the state of Colorado. In 1992, the voters of the state approved a measure which amended Article X of the Colorado Constitution...

The foreigners would be told to mind their own business, not ours.

As has so often happened in the past.

On this very issue, in fact.

You’d have to live here to understand that incredible inertial effect you would seek to overcome.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist what an odd law. So the state must have a referendum every time they need more money to do a new thing.

KitFox

Yes.

Pretty much.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist No, I understand the inertia.

tchrist

7:49 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not merely the state. The county. The city. The transport system. The education system.

Jasper Loy

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Fedora 22 will have a new package manager to replace yum.

tchrist

Basically, no taxation without voter approval, ever.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist yikes. How does shit get done?

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Politely and with reason, or not at all.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm not personally advocating that you should adopt the metric system.

I'm merely contesting your assertion that government cannot legislate road signs.

tchrist

7:50 PM

I meant that ours cannot.

Because it would be political suicide.

Jasper Loy

How do you pronounce Lebesgue if it is a French name? I have heard many different ones.

KitFox

But could, if they were politically suicidal.

@JasperLoy Lebeg.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or if they used the right ~~propaganda~~ communication to sell its benefits.

KitFox

Locally, we'd say "Lebeck".

Jasper Loy

Ah, some people told me it should be pronounced with the s.

KitFox

7:53 PM

You could.

If that's how the person says their name is pronounced, you should.

Some Oulette families hereabouts prefer 'Wilette' as a pronunciation.

tchrist

> Henri Léon Lebesgue ForMemRS[1] (French: [ɑ̃ʁi leɔ̃ ləbɛɡ]; June 28, 1875 – July 26, 1941) was a French mathematician most famous for his theory of integration, which was a generalization of the 17th century concept of integration—summing the area between an axis and the curve of a function defined for that axis.

KitFox

There are Mailloux who prefer 'Mayhew'.

tchrist

@JasperLoy Not in French, but who knows what any one individual would want in English?

Jasper Loy

OK, I think I will go without the s from now.

tchrist

It’s like if your name is spelt J-o-h-n and pronounced Susanne.

Can’t knock ’em.

c c

8:34 PM

Lebesgue is pronounced without the s

fun fact: it means "the stammerer" but last names have often some fun origin, no longer really meaningful

@JasperLoy How would you have pronounced "Descartes"?

Andrew Leach

@cc Even German: Schweinsteiger, anyone?

c c

translate.google.com/#auto/fr/schweinsteiger

tchrist

Absolve me, for I have answered a General Reference question.

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A: "It is to be discussed", what is the infinitive doing in this sentence?

No, this is not usually a way to indicate the future: it’s more like must than it is like will. The OED cover this as senses 16 and 17 for be: 16. With the dative infinitive, making a future of appointment or arrangement; hence of necessity, obligation, or duty; in which sense have is n...

Andrew Leach

Absolvo te. And may the Lord have mercy on your soul.

tchrist

Gracias. :)

Andrew Leach

8:48 PM

You do realise where that second sentence comes from?

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Yours? You want the Latin?

Et ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

Andrew Leach

It comes from judges wearing the Black Cap.

c c

ad vitam eternam

amen

Jasper Loy

@cc I don't know, never had to.

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Nasty business that.

c c

8:50 PM

@JasperLoy Daycart

Andrew Leach

Anyway. Schweinsteiger. Pig-climber.

Matt Эллен

pig-mounter

Jasper Loy

@cc I would have gone for desk karters.

Matt Эллен

as we liked to call him when we watched the final

tchrist

Swell Tiger.

Jasper Loy

8:51 PM

The German footballers are hot!

tchrist

Down boy.

Andrew Leach

If you say so.

tchrist

Time to turn on the AC.

Jasper Loy

That was the main reason I watched the finals.

tchrist

Did you get their numbers?

Andrew Leach

8:52 PM

Oh. I've just seen the top comment in the sidebar.

c c

@tchrist where do you live?

tchrist

Et bien.

Jasper Loy

The starboard has many vulgarities. I am surprised they have not been removed.

tchrist

@cc Colorado.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy I agree, however, you did start this one. Perhaps a little restraint on your part too

c c

8:54 PM

!!weather colorado

tchrist

Please don’t banish Rob.

Jarvis the Bot

@cc Colorado: 18.746C (291.896K), scattered clouds

tchrist

@cc I was referring to Jasper’s hot flashes.

Matt Эллен

I'm destarring @Rob's comment

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Actually, it is fine. I was referring to the other two.

c c

8:55 PM

@tchrist ok :), and yep I remember you being a coloradian

coloradist

tchrist

Coloradan.

It’s 82 here but with 40 mph winds right now.

And humid, like 23 or 24%.

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен You have done a good job.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy which other two?

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Those you removed.

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен The dumb people one also? It was the only item I had starred :)

now I have only black stars

@MattЭллен The dumb people one also? It was the only item I had starred :)

Matt Эллен

8:59 PM

@JohanLarsson the dumb people one? has it fallen off the board?

Jasper Loy

It is 5 am.

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен I don't see it, don't spend any time on restoring it.

Matt Эллен

ok :D

Jasper Loy

After 2 days of intense rep whoring, I am now officially retiring, but I will come and chat.

Matt Эллен

yay

Jasper Loy

9:13 PM

Sometimes I cannot remember if I have taken my meds.

I think it is OK if I take 0 or 2 doses a day.

Andrew Leach

You need one of those multi-compartment labelled boxes you fill up at the start of the week.

Jasper Loy

Ah!

c c

@JasperLoy I just took mine

Jasper Loy

@cc What are you suffering from? Are you also a lunatic like me?

c c

worse, a mental problem as well, but I waited too long, 4 years to go see a psychiatrist

Jasper Loy

9:19 PM

If you don't mind saying, what is it?

c c

hebephrenia according to him

Jasper Loy

Never heard of, lol.

!!wiki hebephrenia

c c

just the young and 'light' term for schizophrenia

Jarvis the Bot

Disorganized schizophrenia

Disorganized schizophrenia, also known as hebephrenia, is a subtype of schizophrenia, as defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM-IV code 295.10. Disorganized schizophrenia is thought to be an extreme expression of the disorganization syndrome that has been hypothesized to be one aspect of a three-factor model of symptoms in schizophrenia, the other factors being reality distortion (involving delusions and hallucinations) and psychomotor poverty (poverty of speech, lack of spontaneous movement and various aspects of blunting of emotion). Presentation The ...

Jasper Loy

@cc One thing you can do, which I do, is to hope for a better life next life.

c c

9:22 PM

:))

Jasper Loy

I believe in rebirth.

However, I do not consider myself Buddhist strictly speaking.

I believe SE is full of lunatics who hang out here.

c c

internet is, definitely, either as a cause or as a consequence

Singapore may be a good place, no?

Jasper Loy

It is a terrible place to live. Too restrictive, similar to a Muslim country.

c c

That's what I'd like :)

Jasper Loy

Are you Muslim?

c c

9:28 PM

No but I've had an excessive concern about people smoking, I don't feel the effects of the drug yet, but I've started to calm it

Jasper Loy

Ah, but smoking is not banned here.

c c

yes I know there are still some people smoking, even if the weather is hot, and there are some laws to make smokers only smoke in places (not well respected like always)

Jasper Loy

I will try to leave this place once I get well.

It has brought me nothing but tremendous suffering.

c c

you suffer from the insularity problem maybe? isolation?

Jasper Loy

Where do you live?

c c

9:32 PM

South-east of France

Jasper Loy

Wow! I hope to be reborn in Germany or France next life! We can exchange places!

c c

yep why not :)), I'll just finish my fully-paid medication, with expensive medications, one of the rare advantage in France, but that mainly benefit to old people

Jasper Loy

Are you feeling suicidal?

Hope keeps me alive.

c c

@JasperLoy never really much, I've just no strong attach to life, I can take high risks

but that's part of the schi.. disease, a derugulation of brain neuro-transmitters, (I've really messed with my food for some years, didn't spend any buck for eating, lost too much weight, that's one of the cause of this disease manifestation probably)

Jasper Loy

@cc OK. If I may ask, how old are you? I am 32.

c c

9:36 PM

29

Jasper Loy

Ah OK. If you are a sexy lady, let me know. I would love to meet you. =)

c c

ah the opposite sex sorry, and straight, I think

Jasper Loy

Ah OK. I am straight too, though many think otherwise.

@cc Have you seen a complete version of Dieudonne's Treatise on Analysis?

c c

the mathematician? no, I've done some good studies in Math after baccalaureate (3 years), but then went for computer science

Jasper Loy

Many French texts are only partially translated into English.

For example, the Bourbaki series.

c c

9:41 PM

must not be easy for English ntive to learn that weird French language

I believe that's as if I had to learn Dutch, or Russian

Jasper Loy

I am trying to learn either German or French.

c c

You did Math studies so?

Jasper Loy

Yes, I have a Bachelors degree in math.

c c

Do you teach now?

Jasper Loy

I have not been working for many years.

But I used to teach in a school for a while.

c c

9:44 PM

ah ok sorry to hear that, but I was considering taking more advanced Math courses

now that I feel better, but I feel like advanced Mathematics are 95% for teachers

Jasper Loy

France and Germany are good in math, I think.

c c

@JasperLoy well like others, French are just often arrogant

Jasper Loy

I think very highly of these 2 countries. I think the world should become like them.

Mahnax

Hiya.

Just found out that my entrance average to uni will be 95.2%.

Jasper Loy

Here comes little Mahnax.

Mahnax

9:47 PM

I'm six foot one.

tchrist

@Mahnax What does that mean?

Mahnax

@tchrist The classes that I am using to calculate my admissions average and eligibilty average to 95.2%. You need a certain average grade to be accepted.

tchrist

@cc Not so bad.

c c

@JasperLoy but that's like other countries, you'll find many type of people, deceiving people

@tchrist easy for you since you speak Spanish

Spanish and French are homomorphic (or somethign like that)

Matt Эллен

@Mahnax sounds like you're a shoo in, then!

tchrist

9:49 PM

@Mahnax Hm, ok.

@cc Well, yes. But I’m still a native speaker of English. :)

Mahnax

@tchrist My admissions average is calculated based on my marks in Math 30, Math 31, Chemistry 30, English 30, and Social Studies 30.

tchrist

@cc Related languages.

Mahnax

That comes out to 95.2.

Which means that I get a $4500 automatic scholarship :)

Jasper Loy

Very good.

tchrist

That’s very good!

c c

9:51 PM

you got a grant? congrats

Mahnax

I got my final high school grades today.

@cc It's an automatic scholarship from the university.

Jasper Loy

I got my high school grades around the time I started to go mad.

c c

@JasperLoy similar timing for me

Jasper Loy

@cc We have bad kamma.

tchrist

@Mahnax What are the postfixed 30 and 31 about?

Mahnax

9:52 PM

@tchrist 30 means grade twelve, and 31 is just their way of saying "this is an optional class that comes after Math 30 in which you learn basic calculus".

tchrist

Got it.

Shoulda been 11, 12, 13. :)

Jasper Loy

@Mahnax Ah, calculus was in my normal syllabus at that time.

Mahnax

I got 100% in Math 31, which is the reason why my average is above 95.

Jasper Loy

Too bad you are not doing math.

tchrist

It’s semi-unusual to get Calculus in high school here. It was once very difficult, but now less so.

c c

9:54 PM

@JasperLoy Italians are also really good in math

Mahnax

I think I disappointed Jasper, folks. I changed my mind about wanting to major in mathematics.

tchrist

@cc You know that that is a rather silly statement.

c c

Do you know the Ascoli theorem, just to see, I don't know it but I was watching the program here webens-ng.math.u-psud.fr/M1/MFA

@tchrist why?

tchrist

@Mahnax Everybody I know who started out in math switched to physics and thence to comp sci. But for one.

@cc Banket statements about huge numbers of people make no sense.

Mahnax

@tchrist Interesting…

c c

9:56 PM

Ennio de Giorgi

Ennio De Giorgi (8 February 1928 – 25 October 1996) was an Italian mathematician who worked on partial differential equations and the foundations of mathematics. Mathematical work He solved Bernstein's problem about minimal surfaces. He solved the 19th Hilbert problem on the regularity of solutions of elliptic partial differential equations. Quotes * "If you can't prove your theorem, keep shifting parts of the conclusion to the assumptions, until you can" Selected publications *. The first paper about SBV functions and related variational problems. *. The first note published by...

tchrist

@cc That doesn’t say anything.

c c

Yes ok! let's no more do generalizations about countries, it's really stupid

tchrist

In fact, Italy is horrible at math.