V'dibarta Bam

YEZ

2:36 AM

anyone know where I can get the Kapach Rambam online?

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ otzar has it but you gotta pay to use it. and u cant print it. its one of the few books which they dont let you print. however i am working on a program to scan the entire page to get the images off of it and into a folder. cant get python to log in on my account for some reason. if you know how to get it done itll be a pleasure

@YEZ also are you talking bout MT or preirush? i have the entire peirush from Mori Qafi7 on pdf

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob Peirush. Really all I want is intro to Chelek.

Monica Cellio

@GeminiMan which one do we think is correct? ("Neither" isn't an option unless accompanied by a suggestion. :-) )

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ you can email me and i can send u the piece

or if u have otzar u can use that

YEZ

@MonicaCellio I think common spelling is Bamidbar, but in the chumash its bmidbar or bimidbar or bemidbar depending on how you pronounce shva

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

2:44 AM

shawa is bameedhbar :)

Monica Cellio

@YEZ exactly. :-) I write shva as punctuation but that doesn't work in tags. I see "bamidbar" often out in the wild; "bemidbar" looks weird to me even though people sometimes use 'e' for shva.

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob ma ha email address shelcha

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

check my profiel

oh its private

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob יגעתי ולא מצאתי

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16087346#16087346

YEZ

2:49 AM

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob I saw, but wanted to quote my appropriate Talmudic reference nonetheless :)

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ :p

@YEZ im sending all of nazeeqeen

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob If you had AOL, you'd get a "you've got mail" announcement around now. Shkoyach.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

u got google drive? cuz its to big of a file

@YEZ ping

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob I do.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

might as wel send u everything then ;)

YEZ

2:54 AM

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob can't hurt, if it's not a waste of time for you.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ all im doing is pressing buttons why should it hurt, boruch hashem i dont have arthritis

@YEZ do u know programming

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob I took a c++ program in college (and my professor said I was her second best student ever) but that't about it.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ nm lol

YEZ

@TRiG He said we could ask him for references. Maybe ask him for a reference to the dealer of whatever it is he's on.

Shokhet

@TRiG He probably doesn't speak English; used Google (bad) Translation

@YEZ LOL!!

YEZ

3:06 AM

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob Yashar Koach.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ idk wat i did but the last 3 didnt upload im resending them

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob A big file uploaded. At least, I began a big download.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ enjoy

@YEZ share what you learned ;)

@YEZ sent the rest

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob Thanks again. Almost downloaded 1 of them (nezikin)

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob AHH WHY WOULD YOU GIVE ME SO MANY VIRUSES!!!

just kidding.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ its a test of how far you will go to have the zachuth of talmudh toro

@YEZ also im on a mac, we all know macs dont have viruses

YEZ

3:23 AM

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob I once started using linux but I was chozer b'sheilah

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ vos iz?

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob voz iz vos?

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

@YEZ vos iz the shaila

YEZ

@MoriDoweedhYaa3qob it's the opposite of teshuva. I went off the (linux) derech.

MoriDoweedhYaa3qob

lol

msh210

5:09 AM

Consider the question you link to, which asks for books on who to rear children, and consider the policy: "Your questions should be reasonably scoped. If you can imagine an entire book that answers your question, you’re asking too much." This question should probably be closed as too broad. — msh210 ♦ 4 mins ago

^^ Whaddaya think?

@TRiG You didn't know that? Yeah, the oxhead teacher that shows working water. In Hebrew, Moreroshpar Mar'emayimov'dim. (Completely kidding.)

Isaac Moses

@msh210 I knew there was something bothering me about that post. Yeah, I think you're right that it's overbroad. A differently-focused request for literature would be more appropriate

msh210

5:29 AM

@IsaacMoses And yet I see no close vote at the moment.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 You people and your formalities ...

msh210

@IsaacMoses Thanks. I didn't want the closure to appear to be coming from just me.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 I understand

msh210

I seem vaguely to recall there's a siman in SA on judaism.stackexchange.com/q/40279.

msh210

6:42 AM

@IsaacMoses, all:

This seems to me to be off-topic as about Jews and Hebrew, not Judaism; the only reason I'm not closing it is that a bunch of respected users other than myself have commented or answered and not voted to close. I'm raising the issue in chat to see what people think. cc @DoubleAA — msh210 ♦ 2 mins ago

Gemini Man

7:40 AM

@MonicaCellio I also think Bemidbar is weird. But see judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1545/bamidbar-or-bemidbar

@MonicaCellio Google prefers Bamidar, Chabad, Aish, Hebcal, YU, Jpost, ShlomoKluger - all use Bamidbar.

The Queen uses Bamidbar!

msh210

8:41 AM

@GeminiMan judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1545/…

Monica Cellio

3:00 PM

@GeminiMan I merged bemidbar into bamidbar. Thanks for the help. Even though the text clearly says "b'midbar", we never talk about wandering in a wilderness. So between that and the precedents you brought (not counting the queen though :-) ), I went with that.

@msh210 it strikes me as more of a "Jewish life" question than a strict language one -- is it ok to use this term? It seems similar to the first related question in that regard (which, disclosure, I answered).

Shokhet

5:16 PM

@msh210 Thanks!

Fred

6:35 PM

Although, I personally use B'midbar, that does not seem to be the common convention.

Consider other instances where the title is altered, such as D'varim instead of HaD'varim, *Mishpatim* instead of *HaMishpatim*, *Sh'mini* instead of *HaSh'mini*, *M'tzora'* instead of *HaM'tzora'*, and *Mattos* instead of *HamMattos*.

Also, P'kudei instead of F'kudei, and Tazria' instead of Sazria' (even according to Ashkenazim), though these are grammatical changes that sort of automatically apply when taking the words in isolation.

Monica Cellio

@Fred yeah, I guess consistency is optional. :-)

(Not sure what you mean about Tazria/Sazria and "even Ashkenazim", though -- I thought only Ashkenazim ever turned taf into an 'S' sound.)

Fred

@MonicaCellio Apparently. Also, many of the names are not universal.

@MonicaCellio That's what I meant. Sorry for being unclear.

Monica Cellio

@Fred true -- this past Shabbat was either Sh'lach or Sh'lach L'cha depending on whom you ask (though I think it's always Lech L'cha and never just Lech).

@Fred oh, you meant in the other direction -- that even Ashkenazim call it Tazria. I thought you were saying that somebody actually calls it Sazria, which I hadn't heard.

Fred

@MonicaCellio Yeah, I don't recall ever hear Lech.

@MonicaCellio Correct - even Ashkenazim call it Tazria.

Monica Cellio

@Fred and by their rules of pronunciation they would otherwise say 'Sazria"? (I don't understand all of their rules.)

Fred

6:41 PM

@MonicaCellio Well, it's found in the word pairing "ki sazria", so grammatically the dagesh is dropped.

Monica Cellio

@Fred ah, ok. Thanks. (I hadn't gone to look at how the parsha actually begins...)

Fred

@MonicaCellio Yeah, kind of like how divrei Torah is technically divrei Sorah.

Monica Cellio

@Fred now there's one I've never heard anybody actually say. :-)

Fred

@MonicaCellio I say that when reciting the blessings over Torah learning in the morning, but not in conversation.

Monica Cellio

@Fred yeah, I meant in reference to a speech/commentary/etc.

Fred

6:45 PM

@MonicaCellio Yeah, I'm not sure I've heard that in conversation either, certainly not often.

@MonicaCellio Historically, books of the Torah were known by different titles, such as Sefer HaYashar for B'reishis, Toras Kohanim for Vayikra, or Chomesh Pikudim for B'midbar.

Monica Cellio

@Fred oh interesting! I thought thematic names were a gentile thing. When did we use names like this?

Fred

@MonicaCellio Mishneh Torah for D'varim is derived from the chumash itself.

@MonicaCellio Deut. 17:18: וְכָתַב לוֹ אֶת-מִשְׁנֵה הַתּוֹרָה הַזֹּאת

@MonicaCellio Sefer HaYashar and Chomesh Pikudim are found in the Y'rushalmi (Sotah 1:10, see here).

Monica Cellio

@Fred thanks. (Now that you mention it I did know about that reference in D'varim, though I didn't generalize beyond that.)

Fred

@MonicaCellio The Mishna (M'gilla 3:5) and elsewhere refers to Toras Kohanim.

Fred

7:09 PM

@MonicaCellio See here and here.

Monica Cellio

@Fred thanks. That latter in particular looks like a helpful resource. (I know there are different kinds of dageish but don't know all the rules...)

Fred

@MonicaCellio Yeah, the Hebrew book Eim L'mikra Hashaleim is a great resource, and the "Towards Better Davening and Torah Reading" series covers much of the material therein.

Monica Cellio

@Fred so far for torah reading I've been relying on a right column (Trope Trainer rather than a print tikkun in my case) that's very explicit about shv'a nach/na and qametz katan/gadol. And, of course, it puts the dageishim where they belong. Over time I've noticed but not fully internalized some patterns.

(Some siddurim also distinguish the qametzes, but I don't know of any off hand that distinguish the shvas.)

Fred

@MonicaCellio Artscroll distinguishes between sh'va nach and na'. They put a bar over letters with sh'va na'.

Monica Cellio

@Fred oh hmm, either I never noticed (thought to look up) or had forgotten. And I even have some Artscroll in the house (though it's not what I usually reach for first).

Fred

7:23 PM

@MonicaCellio Well, if all you have is the text and vowels, the good thing about knowing the rules is that you only have to memorize the exceptions.

Monica Cellio

@Fred yes, I'd prefer to learn the rules (even knowing there are exceptions) because (a) fluency good and (b) you don't always have sources that distinguish. But since I'm not there yet, I'm sure glad to have the help. :-)

Fred

@MonicaCellio Definitely.

msh210

8:53 PM

@Tutor ...for...?

@Fred @MonicaCellio I've never heard "lech" but I've seen it.

@Fred I wrote that first thing (the usage note on Wiktionary), or least most of it. if you can recommend any emendations, please do!

@msh210 ... or maybe it was l'cha. :-)

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