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casey

1:54 AM

no such thing as GoT spoilers, at least if you acknowledge the books exist.

slm

2:22 AM

@casey - you like being a mod?

Faheem Mitha

7:47 AM

@slm casey is a mod?

slm

@FaheemMitha - notice his name is blue.

on earth science

Faheem Mitha

@slm I see. That means mod?

Yes, I see casey has the diamond symbol by his name.

slm

8:22 AM

@FaheemMitha yes

derobert

3:24 PM

@slm @FaheemMitha there mere mention of the word seems to have scared him away

Faheem Mitha

3:37 PM

@derobert The mere mention of what?

slm

asking casey if he likes being a mod

is that a bad omen?

Faheem Mitha

@slm Ah, I see. How do you know it scared him away?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Well, he hasn't been seen since you asked him...

Patrick

@derobert That user from yesterday is at it again...

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Q: Is there a way of copying only directories and not files in bash?

I want to copy only directories from a folder on a remote server to my server. Is that possible? Here is the code I have so far but it copies files and folders: scp -rq username@192.168.78.331:/copy/from/ /copy/it/here/ I also have an alternative for the code above: ssh -q username@192.168.78...

derobert

At least maybe its a new question today!

Patrick

3:50 PM

no, it's just another part of the one he asked a few days ago

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Actually @slm asked him.

derobert

@FaheemMitha indeed, my excuse is I haven't had my morning tea yet :-/

Faheem Mitha

@derobert you don't drink coffee? next you'll be telling me it's herbal tea.

Braiam

slm

@Patrick I voted to close it as well.

Patrick

4:03 PM

I'm tempted to go through his existing unanswered questions and mark them as 'close - unclear what you're asking' as well.

...all 2 of them since the others have been closed :-/

casey

@slm I like it for the most part, but the scope of modding on a brand new beta site is a bit different than you'll experience here. E.g. we have a lot more focus on defining the scope and getting the site help center going, use our binding votes a bit more often since we don't have the community base yet to get rid of stuff that needs to go. We also deal with a lot less flags and reviews than an established site.

slm

@derobert - is there a systematic way to do this?

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Q: Removal of HDD causes kernel panic

I recently added a 2nd HDD to a system and then proceeded to do a clean install on to this 2nd HDD of CentOS 6.5. The original system was CentOS 5.9. My plan was to leave the original HDD in place so that I could pull data off of it as needed as we migrated several KVMs from HDD #1 to HDD #2. Al...

linux centos lvm kernel-panic grub-legacy

derobert

@FaheemMitha No, it's actual tea. Tisanes have a distinct lack of caffeine.

slm

@casey what don't you like about it?

casey

@slm the least favorite part of modding is dealing with the problem users.

slm

4:08 PM

@Patrick yeah wasn't sure, I was just letting him "go with it" asking the Q's hoping he'd leave

casey

e.g. sock puppets, voting irregularities, etc

Braiam

@casey I think those are the most clear cut

casey

@Braiam I just don't like having to spend time on it :)

derobert

@slm That question has managed to avoid giving any useful info :-(

slm

@casey OK, I've actually dealt with that a fair amount as a normal user already so that I'm actually OK w/

@derobert really?

@casey I've dealt with it as it's a greater good so that other's don't have to be subjected to it.

derobert

4:10 PM

@slm Yeah, gave a list of volume groups and logical volumes, with no way to know which disks they're on. sudo pvs would be nice...

slm

@derobert Ah. That's easy I'll add it. Anything else?

Patrick

@slm if you do a pvremove on the volume, you should be able to remove the disk without a reboot

derobert

@slm the actual panic message would be nice

slm

@derobert - OK, I'll get that too

casey

@slm it'll basically be what you are used to now, with a few more tools and binding votes on everything

slm

4:12 PM

@casey - OK, that's what I was hoping you'd say 8-)

derobert

@slm and, I'm guessing the panic was 'unable to mount root', so the initramfs's failure messages would be nice, too

casey

and you'll finally get to see that comment flags aren't always so different than the useless chat flags :)

Patrick

@casey do mod votes immediately affect the question. Or can you still place a vote where it requires consensus from other users?

slm

@Patrick ah thanks i thought that today when i was going through the review queues

casey

@Patrick they take immediate effect. When you want community consensus as a mod, you abstain from voting

derobert

4:14 PM

Yes, if you become mod, they replace your hands with ban-hammers.

casey

@Patrick I save my votes on ES for egregious stuff or when I see 3 or 4 votes on something borderline that has been there for a while and just needs a bump to close it

Braiam

@casey if I'm a mod I normally don't worry, most of my votes are because they deserve them anyways

slm

@casey - but I actually like voting on things from the review Q. That's where I do most of my editing to clean things up and get the ball rolling on closing w/ a consensus

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Wow,I just learned a new word. :-)

casey

@slm that'll probably be the biggest difference for you as a mod. Anything you do in the review queue will be binding (accepting edits, close or reopen votes, deletions)

derobert

4:17 PM

@slm unfortunately, the request to let mods cast normal votes has been declined several times. Search meta.SE for it, you'll no doubt find plenty of requests.

casey

@slm but you'll get the flag queue (like the old 10k queue but with more stuff)

Braiam

the only downside of being a mod is that you actually get to see the worse of the site

casey

@slm but if you want consensus you can still post the Q in here and encourage us to close it :)

@Braiam true. Here's your ♦, don't forget to grab the mop and bucket on your way out

Patrick

@Braiam you get to see that anyway once you hit 10k

derobert

@casey They've upgraded to mops? Last I heard, it was toothbrushes...

Braiam

4:19 PM

@Patrick nope

Patrick

@Braiam all the deleted questions & answers

Braiam

@Patrick ah well, um... I really don't think that's the worse side of the site

casey

@derobert I bought my own mop... the toothbrushes were killing my back

@Patrick you can also see deleted comments as a mod

and the flags... not every flag is helpful. Some are just "I disagree with this person" :(

Braiam

maybe I should get 10k here...

derobert

@Braiam You'd have to spend time answering questions here, instead of on that Ubuntu site :-P

slm

4:28 PM

So it isn't sounding all that different than what I'm doing now...

@casey - thanks for sharing your experiences!

Faheem Mitha

@derobert It seems he does both.

casey

@slm youre welcome

derobert

@FaheemMitha Well, I mean more here. I mean, he gets a tenth the daily rep @slm does (But I guess, really, most else gets a tenth, at best)

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Sure, he could answer more here. Then again, so could most others. Though I think you need to know a lot of stuff to have useful answers for some of these questions. I used to think I knew Unix. This site has been quite an eye-opener.

derobert

stackexchange.com/leagues/40/year/unix/2014-01-01/41104#41104

terdon

4:35 PM

@derobert COOL! I'm first!

Slm, Gilles and Stephane don't count. Obviously.

derobert

@terdon Yes. I was about to say...

Though, actually, you're not that far away from unseating Stéphane.

terdon

@derobert Ha! Far enough and if I do that will be one empty pleasure. Whohooo, now I know more than Stephane! Yeah. Right.

derobert

@terdon Not know more, you're not about to beat his total rep. Only his rep this year. Maybe that means you learned more? Or possibly that you just had more time to slave over the keyboard here.

terdon

That last sounds about right. I find it quite funny that I've overtaken so many users who are much more knowledgeable than I. I think I'm probably the only non-professional Linux guy on the first page.

slm

If Stephane was driven he could crush all of us. Possibly even Gilles.

I often get the feeling that we're the students and Stephane's the teacher, looking over our shoulders making sure we're "doing it right"

getting rep is more a indication of your willingness to help others than that you're smarter then someone else.

terdon

4:44 PM

^^^^^^

derobert

@slm Yes, he is definitely entitled to his set of wizard robes.

slm

@derobert - so now the old LVM is gone from the sytem. Do I just need to add it back into /etc/lvm.conf?

terdon

The way I see it, Stephane is some kind of mythical, magical creature, Gilles is a wizard and slm is a human paladin.

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slm

that's a perfect way of describing it

terdon

I'm a hobbit with too much free time :)

slm

4:46 PM

I'd rather be a hobbit then, they have the most fun

derobert

@slm Not sure how lvm setup on RedHat works, CLI you'd use vgscan and vgchange to use the old VG.

terdon

You're too powerful for that. You need to shed some arcane knowledge first.

slm

so whose gollum?

my precious.....

derobert

@terdon If we have any rings we need destroyed, now we know who to call.

slm

@terdon - LOL...you read my mind 8-)

terdon

4:48 PM

Not nice though :)

slm

almost fell out of my chair

no but thought that

terdon

chuckles, evilly.

Faheem Mitha

You people really need to be off playing one of those Multi User game things.

slm

@derobert can I add it w/o having it physically installed?

derobert

:15927777 Hah, I just tried it with a few of his answers, inserting 'my precious' into them every few words makes them much better!

terdon

4:51 PM

@derobert lol!

I can just about hear the lisping sssssssssss

Lisping? Can't be lisping I guess, by definition.

derobert

@slm The metadata exists on the disk itself, so the volume group doesn't really exist without the disk present. Though there could be backups in /etc/lvm/backup or /etc/lvm/archive

slm

@derobert That's what I figured, I'm re-adding it now, just for the screenshots

derobert

Ah. Yeah. pvs etc. isn't going to work without the disk present.

I suppose you can guess the output based on what it looks like with your current VG.

slm

I just brought it back w/ vgscan.

derobert

Ah. I thought you had removed the disk.

Yeah, I suspect the RedHat boot scripts do something like pvscan; vgchange -ay at some point, so if you booted with it in, it'd be there.

Faheem Mitha

4:55 PM

@derobert do you like Indian tea?

slm

I did, but just rebooted with it reconnected.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Chai? Yes, that's good, especially when made with milk.

slm

Yeah so the situation I'm guessing is the cache shows that it's available, and the grub line shows that it should be mounted and when it tries to access it isn't there

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I'm not sure if you call it chai. Just tea from India.

derobert

@FaheemMitha I'd have to look where all my black teas come from, have quite a few of them. Chai has seasonings in it to go with the black tea.

I probably have a few from India.

Faheem Mitha

4:58 PM

@derobert OK. I don't really know anything about tea.

derobert

Masala chai

Masala chai (; , literally "mixed-spice tea" ) is a flavoured tea beverage made by brewing black tea with a mixture of aromatic Indian spices and herbs. Originating in South Asia, the beverage has gained worldwide popularity, becoming a feature in many coffee and tea houses. Although traditionally prepared by a decoction of green cardamom pods, cinnamon sticks, ground cloves, ground ginger, and black peppercorn together with black tea leaves, retail versions include tea bags for infusion, instant powdered mixtures, and concentrates. In many places, there is a misconception that "chai"...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ugh. Doesn't sound very appealing. I'm not really a big spice person.

derobert

And thinking about it, I definitely have Assam black teas. Which I'm pretty sure is in India.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert It is. I think India is still a big tea producer.

According to top5ofanything.com/index.php?h=d0fb35cf, number 2.

Wp agrees - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea#Production

derobert

Not sure if I have any from Kenya or Turkey (no idea if those have distinctive names)... but surely have ones from China, India, and Sri Lanka (though no one has told tea producers that place changed names, its still Ceylon to them...)

Faheem Mitha

5:13 PM

@derobert You must drink a lot of tea.

derobert

Yeah, a fair amount. I have at least a few cups a day. I don't drink coffee at all, or soft drinks really.

Faheem Mitha

5:26 PM

@derobert Soft drinks are bad. Junk food, basically. Assuming you are talking about carbonated sugared water with flavor added.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, that's what I meant by soft drink. Though I'd include the ones with artificial sweeteners as well.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I don't drink them either. Or tea or coffee.

slm

@derobert - added screenshot and pvs

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Q: Removal of HDD causes kernel panic

I recently added a 2nd HDD to a system and then proceeded to do a clean install on to this 2nd HDD of CentOS 6.5. The original system was CentOS 5.9. My plan was to leave the original HDD in place so that I could pull data off of it as needed as we migrated several KVMs from HDD #1 to HDD #2. Al...

linux centos lvm kernel-panic grub-legacy

derobert

@slm What are the few lines above attempted to kill init? Suspect that's the real error.

slm

5:41 PM

@derobert - that was all that was displayed on the screen.

derobert

@slm Odd. Must be the wonders of pretty-shiny graphical boot screens :-(

Anyway, you now have the important pvs that shows the different disks.

Patrick

@slm Oh, is that error occurring on boot? I thought you meant you were trying to remove the drive with the system up and running

derobert

@Patrick Nah, it's the initramfs suffering a painful death

slm

5:58 PM

@Patrick yeah it was on boot. I've made that bit more clear.

Seth

6:46 PM

well what do you know. I got civic duty.

Faheem Mitha

@slm you should ask @Seth about being a moderator. Hes one on AU.

@Seth What is civic duty?

Seth

@FaheemMitha A badge, for voting 300 or more times.

I didn't realize how much I was voting here ;P

Faheem Mitha

@Seth ah. on U&L?

@slm a man after your own heart. :-)

derobert

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134694/… <--- someone want to try to explain networking in comments to OP? I'm going to lunch :-/

Ramesh

I believe this is something related to symbolic link permissions only right?

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Q: /etc/init.d permissions issue

We are trying to harden our Linux Redhat 5 servers and one of the findings is for the /etc/init.d. The security finding is requiring that we chmod it to 700 or more restrictive. Please see the detail below. incorrect permissions=rwxr-xr-x (0755) directory=/etc/init.d -> /etc/rc.d/init.d ...

linux security server

Seth

6:53 PM

@FaheemMitha yeah. I have way more votes on AU ;)

Faheem Mitha

@Seth Sure.

What are you doing over here?

Seth

Lurking, mainly.

Faheem Mitha

@Seth Ok. Must get boring.

Seth

I saw some interesting conversations happening here, decided I'd lurk and watch 'em :)

Faheem Mitha

@Seth ok

It is mostly rambling with occasional arguments.

derobert

6:57 PM

@Ramesh Looks like it

Seth

@FaheemMitha I like arguments.

Ramesh

@derobert, from this comment I see it's useless setting permissions for it.

Clearly because I can't type ;-P As for using 0700, you can, I don't see the point, almost all of the scripts on a machine will come from a vendor so it's easy to get a copy if you want. — LapTop006 Aug 3 '09 at 13:12

derobert

@Ramesh Indeed, sounds like a silly requirement to me. But harmless.

Ramesh

@derobert, I am confused on what the OP says here.

@derobert by "going through" i mean it should use that interface as last point from the connection in my span and from that point it should continue connecting to the internet. Per example; when i do the command "curl --interface eth0 google.com" on the server NewYork1 it should connect to Amsterdam1 and use the first interface of Amsterdam1 (eth0 with ip 10.0.0.1) and connect to google.com through that interface . — William Assaad 5 mins ago

derobert

@Ramesh I am too...

Ramesh

7:02 PM

voted to close it.

Faheem Mitha

@Seth Then you might like it here, some of the time.

Braiam

anyone here has any idea what tomcat is?

derobert

@Braiam Apache Tomcat?

Braiam

@derobert yup

derobert

server for Java webapps

@Ramesh Staring at the comment for a while longer, I think I can sort of figure out what OP wants. I'm not sure its sane. I'm pretty sure its not the best way to do what he wants.

Braiam

7:05 PM

what about VLC or mp3 or DVD?

derobert

I can almost imagine a way of pulling it off...

Ramesh

@derobert, I tried but couldn't. So I gave up :)

derobert

@Braiam ?

Braiam

I'm asking if there is anyone that doesn't know what any of those terms are

derobert

@Ramesh It sounds like OP really wants to pretend Amsterdam1's eth0 is in New York.

Ramesh

7:07 PM

So in that case, he needs some sort of VPN? I am not sure of networking concepts that much though.

Braiam

please reject unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/48395

this too unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/48390

arg! the entire queue for tag excerpts is filled with stupid copy-n-paste dictionary definicion

> urxvt (or rxvt-unicode) is a terminal emulator forked from rxvt.

aha, and? how to use the tag?

derobert

So, I think you could pull that off by (a) build a TAP tunnel (e.g., OpenVPN in TAP mode) between Amsterdam1 and NewYork1; (b) remove the IP address from both eth0's (c) on each side, bridge the tap interface to eth0; (d) put the Amsterdam IP address on the bridge on the New York side; (e) set up policy routing to route packets sourced from that IP address to the default gateway used in Amsterdam. Non-trivial, and I imagine performance could be an issue... What are you trying to accomplish, 100-ft view? Might be a much easier way. — derobert 40 secs ago

Patrick

@Braiam What's wrong with that? Some description is better than no description

Braiam

> The excerpt should define the shared quality of questions containing this tag — boiled down to a few short sentences.

unless is some obscure name, there's no reason to give a definition

> The “email” tag, for example, does not need to explain what email is. I think we can safely assume most internet users know what email is; there’s no value in a boilerplate explanation of email to anyone.

derobert

unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/48391

"DVD is a digital optical disc storage format."

That isn't going to help anyone.

Braiam

7:13 PM

@derobert that's really not helpful at all

exactly

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam why reject? apart from a minor grammar issue, it looks like a defn.

Braiam

1 min ago, by Braiam

> The “email” tag, for example, does not need to explain what email is. I think we can safely assume most internet users know what email is; there’s no value in a boilerplate explanation of email to anyone.

derobert

A useful DVD tag tells you what's special about how we use dvd on this site. Otherwise, it's just noise.

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam mm, ok. so what would a good tag defn for that look like then?

Braiam

3 mins ago, by Braiam

> The excerpt should define the shared quality of questions containing this tag — boiled down to a few short sentences.

actually, check the five points here blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/03/redesigned-tags-page

derobert

7:16 PM

We probably don't need one. Unless we decided that (for example) since you use the same tools to manipulate dvd and bluray images, we call blurays dvd. Then we'd have to explain that.

Or maybe to explain that we use a different tag for data vs. video, etc.

Patrick

in that case we'd probably just synonym blu-ray to dvd, or both to some other tag

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam no, i mean the specific content for a tag like tee. or should it just be blank?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha I prefer it blank than approving the edit giving the idea that it was a good one

Faheem Mitha

@derobert i think a defn of tee for example is harmless. yes, maybe you can look it up elsewhere, but i for one don't know what it is offhand.

derobert

Its harmful mainly in that it makes it much harder to know where we need to work on useful tag descriptions... Easy enough to find tags with no description. Harder when you have to read through them and realize it's got words, but those words are useless.

And then it serves as an example, showing people how to write more useless descriptions.

Braiam

7:19 PM

@FaheemMitha ok, tee can be obscure, but do not go and copy something from somewhere else and put it in the tag + what derobert said

copied from dictionary definitions are no good either

derobert

e.g., linux has a useful one. It doesn't bother trying to tell you what Linux is; you obviously already know that. It does tell you when to use the tag.

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam i wasn't planning to copy anything. i guess I don't see it as all that bad. if it is something well known, then yes, it is pointless.

derobert

bash has problems, as if you look on unix.stackexchange.com/tags , the useful part has been hidden behind a definition :-(

Braiam

@FaheemMitha the problem with approve it is that it gives a positive feedback for something they shouldn't do, and that reinforce the behavior

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam yes, i see that.

Braiam

7:23 PM

I'm personally very strict with giving positive feedback, I need to make sure that the awarding of it doesn't send the signals that the badly done is ok

derobert

BTW: I just put a bash tag description change into the queue.

Braiam

@derobert in the tag excerpt the markdown doesn't work :/

can you remove the [tag: ] part

derobert

@Braiam I was wondering if it would. Too bad the site doesn't give a preview :-(

Braiam

can someone with 20k fix this up? unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/48398 @slm?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam then you must find this site very frustrating. also, don't ever become a schoolteacher. you'll go mad.

derobert

7:26 PM

@Braiam I just fixed it, I can apparently change my edit

Braiam

@FaheemMitha actually is more easy for me to deal with childs... they don't have preconceived ideas of how things should be done and normally follow my example

@derobert cool

derobert

I submitted one for shell as well

But I'm stopping now, because I'm hungry and am going to my now very late lunch. And also I'll have 20k (and/or one of them fancy diamonds) soon enough, and won't have to send all these through the queue...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Are you talking about actual children?

In my experience they are little savages. Of course, I grew up in India.

slm

@Braiam I just approved that edit

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I can feel that power drunkenness coming on...

Have a good lunch.

Braiam

7:35 PM

@FaheemMitha I've always been more mature than most of my contemporaries, so I've been asked to be the ~~cannon fodder~~ nanny while the adults are away

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam That sounds like fun.

Are children any better in the DR?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha children are children anywhere

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Indeed. In my experience they are savages anywhere too. Actually humans don't really change, they just learn to disguise it better.

As they grow older.

derobert

7:51 PM

Oh, BTW, another problem with common definitions as tag excerpts: they aren't useful to the person asking the question, no doubt quickly teaching everyone to ignore them. Then they ignore the useful ones too.

(yeah for mobile chat.)

And hah, turn on my tablet screen after tethering it to the phone, and it suddenly decides it has Android 4.4.3 now. I checked right before leaving, when on WiFi.

73 MB download and there isn't LTE here. Fun.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert LTE?

derobert

Fast cell data connection.

(Sorry, no idea how to reply to a message on mobile chat.)

Faheem Mitha

@derobert if that is an acronym, it doesn't match.

Braiam

8:08 PM

LTE (telecommunication)

LTE, an acronym for Long-Term Evolution, commonly marketed as 4G LTE, is a standard for wireless communication of high-speed data for mobile phones and data terminals. It is based on the GSM/EDGE and UMTS/HSPA network technologies, increasing the capacity and speed using a different radio interface together with core network improvements. The standard is developed by the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project) and is specified in its Release 8 document series, with minor enhancements described in Release 9. The world's first publicly available LTE service was launched by TeliaSonera in...

casey

LTE is the successor to GSM

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam ok, thanks

casey

and often what you'll find phone companies calling "4G"

though its not quite up to the 4g spec, iirc

Gilles

11:58 PM

@slm I learned a lot about shell programming from Stephane's posts on Usenet

@derobert shell does need to be defined — we use it only for the shell, as opposed to the terminal, and lots of people don't distinguish between the two

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