English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

1:00 AM

Be careful or I’ll spot you a t.

Cerberus

What?

tchrist

whistles

Cerberus

Some reference to vulgarity again, dear?

tchrist

blushes

Robusto

@Cerberus That's dêgûting.

Cerberus

1:01 AM

By the way, did I tell you I may be dating a 24yo?

tchrist

@Robusto You put a hat on it!

Cerberus

@Robusto Yikes.

Robusto

@Cerberus Cradle robber!

Cerberus

@Robusto Haha I know!

Robusto

@tchrist Safety first!

tchrist

1:02 AM

hides the children

Cerberus

There's also this 20yo who really wants to see me...

I normally date my own age.

Robusto

Cerberus

A wrong hat is a faux pas...

Especially if you stand on your head.

tchrist

@Cerberus Carpe puerum?

Robusto

Yes. Cerberus is ~~feeling~~ acting puerile.

tchrist

1:04 AM

That would be a transitive feeling.

So it takes an accusative.

Robusto

Why have we no puellile?

Cerberus

@tchrist Hauddum novi.

Robusto

Cerberus is about to get in Dutch.

Cerberus

The thing is, 24yo is crazy, but we get along really really well.

@Robusto Get in?

tchrist

@Robusto Puellae, Carpe puellas.

Robusto

1:06 AM

@Cerberus To "get in Dutch" in English means "get in trouble," usu. "with" someone.

Cerberus

Ow.

Well, I expect none such.

Robusto

"He got in Dutch with the teacher for setting off firecrackers on the playground."

tchrist

Si puer cum puellula

Robusto

And I speak from experience.

@tchrist That's just Orfful.

tchrist

It warshes orff.

See above in re albumin stains.

Robusto

1:08 AM

Now you're behaving like a housecarl.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, there is such a word.

English is blessed with a dearth of silly diminutives.

tchrist

moraretur in cellula

Cerberus

Unlike Dutch, German, Latin...

tchrist

felix coniunctio

Cerberus

@tchrist He would wait in a small room?

A fruitful conjunction?

tchrist

1:10 AM

No, if he sneaks off to the keller with her, blessèd is their union.

Cerberus

Umm.

Robusto

Si puer cum puellula
moraretur in cellula,
felix coniunctio.

He keeps spouting Orff.

Cerberus

Ah.

tchrist

Amore succrescente,
pariter e medio
propulso procul taedio,
fit ludus ineffabilis
membris, lacertis, labiis.

watches to see the doggy blush

Robusto

It is pretty, youngsters in love.

Cerberus

1:12 AM

If a boy were to spend time with a girl in a storage-room, there would be a blessed union, yes.

Robusto

@Cerberus Enough of your traduction!

Cerberus

I think that is Catullus?

Robusto

When a young man, passion-laden,
in a chamber meets a maiden,
then felicitous communion,
by Love's strain between the twain,
grows from forth their union;
for the game, it hath no name,
of lips, arms, and hidden charms.

tchrist

Oh, I think it’s completely effable.

Cerberus

I mean, did he base that on Catullus?

tchrist

1:13 AM

No.

Robusto

@Cerberus No. See Catulli Carmina for Catullus.

tchrist

It is from a medieval ms from an abbey.

Cerberus

@Robusto No fair, you're added words!

Robusto

@Cerberus I am not!

Cerberus

There is no "passion-laden" in the Latin!

Robusto

1:14 AM

Perfectionist.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes but no doubt inspired by Catullus?

tchrist

Nor "hidden".

Robusto

@Cerberus More likely inspired by cat-scratch fever.

tchrist

members and lips

Cerberus

> Catulli Carmina is part of Trionfi, the musical triptych that also includes the Carmina Burana and Trionfo di Afrodite.

Robusto

1:16 AM

@Cerberus Yes, we know. But that doesn't mean Carmina Burana was inspired by Catullus.

You still don't know who you're talking to here, do you?

Cerberus

If you say so.

Robusto

Tom and I have forgotten more about music than you will ever know.

tchrist

Tempore brumali
vir patiens,
animo vernali
lasciviens.

Cerberus

They sound pretty Catullan's all I'm saying.

Robusto

Veni, veni, venias,
ne me mori facias,
hyrca, hyrce, nazara;
trilirivos.

Pulchra tibi facies,
oculorum acies,
capillorum series;
o quam clara species!

Rosa rubicundior,
Lilio candidior,
omnibus formosior;
semper in te glorior!

Cerberus

1:17 AM

@Robusto What kind of a random remark is that?

tchrist

Mea mecum ludit
virginitas,
mea me detrudit
simplicitas.

Robusto

@Cerberus What kind do you like?

Cerberus

Unbelievable.

Robusto

I don't have unbelievable randomness. Sorry.

tchrist

Oh - oh, totus floreo,
iam amore virginali
totus ardeo,
novus, novus amor est,
quo pereo.

Robusto

1:18 AM

@tchrist That's one of my favorites.

tchrist

You know what they say about "novus amor est, quod pereo" ... "qui gladio ferit, gladio perit."

Robusto

It is for new love that I die.

@tchrist Quite true.

►

I played this in a chamber concert at Orchestra Hall in Chicago back in the day.

@Cerberus: Aww, now, you didn't go away mad, did you?

tchrist

@Robusto olim

Robusto

@tchrist: I like Brust's little Marxist blog post.

tchrist

Yes, his politics are genuinely left.

Robusto

1:33 AM

@tchrist . . . upon a time?

tchrist

@Robusto Yes, or “of old”. French antan.

Robusto

Mmm.

tchrist

Quam olim Abrahae promisisti et semini ejus

Yesteryear type stuff.

Robusto

Aye.

tchrist

Wolfe is contrast is conservative, but that doesn’t stop his characters from sleeping around, or even doing bad things of course.

And he is good friends with plenty of liberal to leftees, so he is not a nutjob.

Robusto

1:37 AM

Which Wolfe? Tom, Thomas, or Nero?

Or a player to be named later?

tchrist

The TV Trope “First-person smartass” was coined for Jhereg et al, but Brust got it from Zelazny’s Amberite Princes.

Gene Wolfe.

Oh wait, I know something you will absolutely die for!

Robusto

Oh?

tchrist

amazon.com/Walking-Tour-Shambles-Neil-Gaiman/dp/0961035269

Robusto

Now I'm nervous.

@tchrist Ah, cool!

tchrist

It’s actually a Wolfe–Gaiman collaboration.

Small, but utterly charming and bizarre.

Robusto

1:40 AM

He lived in Barrington. I grew up a short drive from there.

tchrist

Did he move? I know his wife passed away right before last Christmas.

Robusto

> Having previously lived in Barrington, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, with his wife Rosemary, he moved to Peoria, Illinois in 2013.

I had a girlfriend in Lake Zurich, which is about five minutes from Barrington.

tchrist

Oh.

That would be it.

It’s only a 64-page book, so people complain about paying ten bucks for it.

But it is a unique contribution.

Robusto

@tchrist Sometimes I'd pay ten bucks for a single laugh.

tchrist

Gaiman lives in Wisconsin, and has for a long time now.

> with its gardens, statuary, ornamental lake and the infamous Petting Zoo (a favorite with children, but it's best not to bring your own)

heh

Robusto

1:48 AM

Me old girlfriend's house is still standing.

And it figures there'd be a Republican sign in the yard.

Her dad had a chest of recorders on the wall in the living room, though. It was there I first cottoned to that instrument.

tchrist

Gosh.

It looks nice.

I like a big lawn with trees.

But not the R sign.

The Scarlet R.

Robusto

I know, right?

Well, her dad was a 'publican too.

tchrist

My folks are very frustrated by how deluded people have become around there.

Robusto

I'll bet.

Wisconsin has gone totally batshit.

tchrist

Walker is a menace.

Like Emperor Palatine–level menace.

Robusto

1:54 AM

Yeah. And he's getting away with it.

tchrist

Can’t understand that.

Robusto

Nor can I.

tchrist

Imagine what Brust must say, being in the Twin Cities and a lefty.

Robusto

Well, only half the twins are Republican.

tchrist

Things Garrison Keillor probably thinks, but dares not utter on the air. What he does say is already ripping enough.

I should go herd cats. Night falls.

Robusto

1:57 AM

Have a good one.

tchrist

I turned on the front and back sprinklers, which limits their range. :)

Robusto

Have you started the novel yet?

tchrist

Not really.

But I have it open.

I have to bring it to bed with me.

I do most of my reading that way, at bedtime.

Robusto

Same.

tchrist

Hasta. Poor Cerb.

Robusto

1:58 AM

See you.

Cerberus

2:13 AM

@Robusto No, it was too arbitrary a breach of etiquette to be more than puzzled.

@tchrist Am I poor?

Matt Эллен

7:13 AM

@tchrist I'm awake!

@medica I have a minute now

skullpatrol

7:43 AM

Only a minute?

Matt Эллен

Yes. Make your time.

Jasper Loy

8:32 AM

@Cerberus Good, good.

@MattЭллен Good morning! I may delete my account soon, lol.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy why would you do that?

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен I guess I am confused. Each time I don't wanna return, the temptation takes the better of me.

Matt Эллен

EL&U isn't a bad place, is it?

Jasper Loy

No, all very good places.

I am just confused. I guess my neurons are not wired properly.

Matt Эллен

but you feel out of control here?

Jasper Loy

8:39 AM

Hmm, I will think about it again when I am less confused.

Matt Эллен

OK

RegDwigнt

@Robusto see, and that is technically not correct. A mod can star their own posts without putting a mod signature on it. I said star, not pin.

@Robusto I do not, but we actually previously discussed that. And by discussed I mean I had to tell and you had to believe.

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен But my deletion is not to attract attention. On the one hand, I just feel I should have the discipline to stay off the site and do better things. On the other hand, it has a certain charm that causes me to create a new account again.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist that is actually exceptionally hard. I used not to be able to speak with a Russian accent at all. I had to practice it. Basically I have to imagine all the words in my head spelled using Cyrillic, then read that aloud. It's an overhead, both in terms of processing power and time.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy I sort of understand. I mean, while my desktop at home is out of action, I can't play games, so I spend more time doing more constructive things

I also can't watch netflix

@JasperLoy instead of deleting your account you could create a script to time bound your access to stackexchange

RegDwigнt

8:49 AM

Or, you know, switch off your computer.

skullpatrol

And walk away.

imo

Matt Эллен

sure, but that's a voluntary action, unless that's scripted too. The plan is for a one time setup, prevent Jasper from spending more time than he thinks he wants to here.

RegDwigнt

I didn't say it was easy. I said it was possible. Deleting your SE account is not easy, either.

In fact, switching off the PC is much easier. And faster.

skullpatrol

Ultimately we all are here voluntarily

RegDwigнt

Likewise, switching the PC back on is faster than creating a new account and getting to 20k again.

@skullpatrol no, not you. You must be here.

skullpatrol

8:53 AM

:D

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt exactly, and Jasper seems to be saying that the effort of creating a new account is almost sufficient to keep him from coming back, but switching on the PC is not even nearly enough of an obstacle. It seems to me, he feels compelled to come here which is distressing for him, because he wants to do other things he finds more constructive. So if he sets up the computer to stop him from visiting then that might be enough to feel like he's got control.

RegDwigнt

Wait, you expect me to read things here?

skullpatrol

btw I apologize for the confusing explanation of 0^0 :-( I am working on something much clearer and more elementary for Math.SE @Reg

RegDwigнt

I didn't sign up for that.

@skullpatrol there was an explanation in this chat? No explanations in this chat!

Matt Эллен

I expected too much!

RegDwigнt

8:59 AM

It's not the explanationible room. FYI.

Matt Эллен

stops explanationing

RegDwigнt

I totally forgot to resume watching Dr Who the other day.

I do have to wonder if that chick is unpregnant after all.

Matt Эллен

They're all pregnant. Pregnant with anticipation!

I think time lords are like seahorses

RegDwigнt

But maybe the rain is really to blame? They should remove the cause. Just not the symptom.

I do remember doing the time warp...

Matt Эллен

singing and dancing in the warp and weft of the timey wimey wibbly wobbley stuff

RegDwigнt

9:05 AM

Michael Rennie was ill the day the Earth stood still.

Matt Эллен

Motion sickness?

RegDwigнt

Ask Flash Gordon. He was there.

Matt Эллен

Ahaa! Saviour of the universe

Jez

@RegDwigнt who?

Matt Эллен

9:29 AM

!!wiki the day the earth stood still

KitSox

@MattЭллен The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing

The Day the Earth Stood Still

The Day the Earth Stood Still is a 1951 20th Century Fox black-and-white science fiction film directed by Robert Wise. It was written by Edmund H. North, based on the 1940 short story "Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates. The film stars Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal and Hugh Marlowe. A humanoid alien visitor comes to Earth, accompanied by a powerful robot, to deliver an important message to humanity. Plot A flying saucer approaches the Earth, eventually landing on the President's Park Ellipse in Washington, D.C. The military quickly encircles the spaceship. A humanoid (Michael Renn...

Robusto

9:51 AM

@RegDwigнt Well, little by little, more and more of the arcana is revealed.

Matt Эллен

My question:

Do I need this subscription do continue developing and distributing the xamdatachart we use?

the Response:

The subscription covers all updates, upgrades as well as support so if those components are still required then it’s always best to keep the subscription on going as I’ve had client’s that had to come back to me a few months after expiry and ended up having to purchase a brand new license. You can pay for this using a credit or debit card.

so that's a "no", right?

especially since the subscription suposedly lapsed two weeks ago, and things are still working.

Jez

weird....... i used to have a friend called Michael Rennie

he was a Moonie

got married in a mass marriage ceremony in South Korea

Matt Эллен

that is pretty weird

Jez

yep, i have a pic of him with the bride

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I will have none of your arcanal remarks.

The Panama Arcanal, on the other hand...

@MattЭллен Rennie also cleans up the stomach.

Matt Эллен

10:07 AM

Zuckerfree! No facebook for Rennie

Sandeep Dhamija

what do we call a person who commits a mistake and then instead of apologizing, shows attitude.(doesn't blame others either, just doesn't admit his mistake). I could use an idiom as well(something like pot calling the kettle black, but in my case pot doesn't blame anyone, it has a 'cant be wrong' attitude)

Matt Эллен

depends on the situation

jerk

arsehole

idiot

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен these words are too general

@MattЭллен and offensive too

skullpatrol

Cocky

Matt Эллен

Well, if someone unrepentently makes a mistake that causes me a problem, I will insult them

skullpatrol

10:13 AM

!!wiki cocky

KitSox

Cocky

Cocky may mean: Rimmy. * boldly or brashly self-confident * Australian slang for cockatoo * Australian and New Zealand slang for farmer * Cocky (mascot), the mascot for the University of South Carolina athletics teams, a stylised gamecock * Cocky (album), by Kid Rock

Anonymous

Unrepentant is what I thought of, too

Sandeep Dhamija

@skullpatrol too abstarct :(

@MattЭллен word should imply his reluctance to admit his fault.

@snailboat awesome :)

@snailboat could you think of an idiom as well?

Anonymous

@SandeepDhamija I'm not really good at this word- or phrase-request sort of stuff.

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен unrepentant is perfect :)

Matt Эллен

10:17 AM

excellent.

Anonymous

If people ask me, all I usually do is say what comes to mind. I'm not very good with restrictions like "it must be a single word" or "it must be an idiom"

Matt Эллен

a possible phrase people say is "He/She has no shame"

Sandeep Dhamija

@snailboat Okay :) Thanks for your help

Matt Эллен

although that's more about social faux pas than mistakes in general

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен This again, is abstract. He can have no shame for so many reasons.

Matt Эллен

10:22 AM

@SandeepDhamija well, no, that's what I'm saying, it's restricted to faux pas

so it's too specific

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен right. It's very specific. I didn't know what faux pas was :P looked it up just now

@MattЭллен actually faux pas is specific but how come "he has no shame" is related to faux pas?? It can be said in so many situations

Matt Эллен

@SandeepDhamija maybe faux pas isn't exactly the right phrase. Whenever someone is deliberately breaking social norms. I would call that a mistake.

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен Then you are not unrepentant :p you are a repentant fellow :D

Matt Эллен

personally, yes :Þ

I'm a sorry individual

Sandeep Dhamija

@MattЭллен I hope you were being sarcastic when u said you were a sorry individual :D Thanks for your help. Take care \m/

Matt Эллен

10:34 AM

You're welcome. I can't think of any idioms off the top of my head, but there probably are some

Matt Эллен

10:51 AM

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Q: About wrongfully discarded words

I read there used to be a word 'sciolism' if the spelling is right. I think the idea was someone who is an expert at trivial information or unnecessary abilities , I'm not sure about the definition either. But it 'said' in this dictionary the word was discarded from low usage. The thing is if thi...