The Hangar

falstro

05:59

@BretCopeland It seems fair to the user to not store it at all. Although not as creepy as facebook (was it?) intercepting and sending what you type to the server for analysis as you're typing it, rather than to wait for you to hit post; not storing stuff you don't tell people you're storing seems like an honest thing to do.

falstro

07:57

avherald.com/h?article=4736cd58&opt=0

"Incident: Virgin Australia B738 near Denpasar on Apr 25th 2014, squawked unlawful interference"

ratchet freak

10:30

@falstro apparently a drunk passenger tried to get into the cockpit

Federico

flagged for deletion, if there is a mod around: aviation.stackexchange.com/a/3568/1467

falstro

@ratchetfreak yeah, so it seems. the radio silence is weird though, right?

ratchet freak

maybe miscommunication about frequencies?

like the B738 went to the emergency freq while ATC kept trying on the normal freq

Stack Exchange

11:26

This Day in Aviation: 21–25 April 1944

posted on April 25, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

21 April 1944: The first military helicopter combat rescue began with Lieutenant Carter Harman, 1st Air Commando Group, being ordered to proceed from Lalaghat, India with his Sikorsky YR-4B, 43-28247, 600 miles (965 kilometers) to Taro in northern Burma. Technical Sergeant Ed “Murphy” Hladovcak, pilot of a Stinson L-1 Vigilant liaison airplane, had crashed in the jungle […] T…

This Day in Aviation: 24–25 April 1945

posted on April 25, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

MEDAL OF HONOR RAYMOND L. KNIGHT Rank and organization: First Lieutenant, U.S. Army Air Corps. Place and date: In Northern Po Valley, Italy, 24-25 April 1945. Entered service at: Houston, Texas. Born: Texas. G.O. No.: 81, 24 September 1945. Citation: First Lieutenant Raymond L. Knight on 24 and 25 April 1945 in the northern Po […] The post 24–25 April 1945 appeared first on This Day in A…

falstro

11:43

@ratchetfreak sounds implausible, I think pretty much every ATC facility has 121.5 on loudspeaker.

and most airliners are listening on 121.5 as well

ratchet freak

or they bumped the radio off switch when pressing the "guy with a knife" button

falstro

yeah, that could be :)

avherald.com/h?article=4736738a

and the linked video:

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Apparently, in Russia, tail strike == "naah, 'tis just a scratch, carry on"

ratchet freak

in soviet russia the runway strikes the tail

falstro

perhaps the runway just wanted to give it a helping push to get airborne?

Federico

12:31

lol

Stack Exchange

This Day in Aviation: 25 April 1956

posted on April 25, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

25 April 1956: At Edwards AFB, California, test pilot Lieutenant Colonel Frank Kendall (“Pete”) Everest, U.S. Air Force, was airdropped from a Boeing EB-50D Superfortress in the USAF/NACA Bell X-2 rocket plane, serial number 46-674. This was the tenth flight of the X-2 program, and only the third powered flight. For the first time, Everest fired both […] The post 25 April 195…

falstro

12:54

Incidentally, I had an engine failure last night. It was fairly hazy and cold evening, with an inversion right around two thousand feet. I was at pattern altitude, although wide of the pattern, doing a 360 to get two VLAs out of the way (they were way too slow, I would've caught them on final). Turning back to the pattern I realized I was a little low, so I pushed the throttle a bit forward, but nothing happened. The engine was still running, but it didn't respond to the throttle, and I was losing altitude.

ratchet freak

13:07

now I'll wait until you come back and tell us you crashed your plane in a tree and I'll point you to that post

feels a lot like some of the deja vu's I've had

falstro

@ratchetfreak If that happens, and I escape unscathed, I'll start carving names into wooden balls...

ratchet freak

or you remember to check the carb heat that time

falstro

@ratchetfreak Oh I would for sure, I meant the scenario

Farhan

15:55

@falstro At what time it happened?

Stack Exchange

16:06

This Day in Aviation: 25 April 1990

posted on April 25, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

25 April 1990: In orbit 380 miles (612 kilometers) above Earth, the crew of Discovery (STS-31) released the Hubble Space Telescope from the cargo bay. This satellite was designed to study the universe in ultraviolet, visible and infrared light, with a clarity never before seen. © 2014, Bryan R. Swopes The post 25 April 1990 appeared first on This Day in Aviation.

ratchet freak

@Farhan afternoon I guess

Farhan

16:35

@ratchetfreak Oh I meant at what time in the video. :)

ratchet freak

halfway or a bit after or so

voretaq7

17:02

I kinda feel bad for this guy, sounds like his CFI might be a little... tempermental

voretaq7

17:49

Ooh The AVWeb guys flew the new diesel Archer

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 yeah, a confrontational tone is not one I would prefer for a CFI.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland yeah - I mean we don't know if the CFI got a "good talking-to" from the tower, but it should still be approached as a learning experience for the student.

Bret Copeland

I honestly don't think what he did was so horrendous. Unless they tell you where they want your base, you actually have quite a bit of discretion. Three miles is a bit much, but I honestly doubt the tower cared at all unless it screwed up other traffic. My guess is the CFI was listening to the frequency.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland that'd be my guess too. Though I honestly prefer the way the Republic controllers ask for reports (either a big obvious landmark like "inner shoreline" or "report entering downwind" - much less ambiguous)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 the deltas out in Idaho would generally ask you to report 5 miles and then again either report abeam the tower on downwind or report final.

They didn't have any radar at all though.

totally "old school" towers

voretaq7

18:05

@BretCopeland yeah, HFD asks for reports 5 miles out, so does westhampton (which really sucks because there are like no good landmarks)

I've actually had similar experiences to that guy when transitioning through the edge of westhampton's airspace where they'll ask me to report over something and as I'm flying through I realize "Yeah, I'm not getting that close"

Bret Copeland

Glass panels are nice. I've never had that problem.

voretaq7

hmm, speaking of HFD maybe I'll make a fuel stop there on the way home this weekend. (Something something $7.50/gallon avgas something something "just do the damn diesel conversion and bribe the FSDO to approve the 337!")

Bret Copeland

I thought there wasn't a good diesel conversion you could do now

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Oh I just use the distance rings on the iPad :-) I'm a big fan of "look out the damn window" flying though.

@BretCopeland there isn't :-/ (not so much an issue for speed, but it kills payload and climb rate)

Bret Copeland

I've been spending most of my time lately explicitly not looking out the window. They consider that cheating during most phases of instrument training.

voretaq7

18:11

but dropping from 9-10GPH to 6-8GPH and burning the cheaper fuel might almost be worth it :-)

@BretCopeland heh yeah, it amuses me that I went from having my instructor tape a sectional to the glareshield so I couldn't see any instruments and had to look out the window to wearing a bucket over my head so I can't see any windows and have to look at the instruments.

@BretCopeland Are you using Cloud Ahoy to profile your approaches? How's it work out?

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 cloudahoy.com/3/CA3.htm#ZzqAXFTWULRjD7I well, I've had to fix or add every approach I've tried to use so far, but I think it's pretty neat.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland that's actually pretty decent.

Bret Copeland

seriously, the procedure turn for the ILS6 had been programmed with an inbound leg of 590° and CloudAhoy thought that was perfectly fine. It was so blatantly wrong just from looking at it, but I guess people are just complete idiots.

voretaq7

When we were working Pattern A / Pattern B I set up GPS waypoints in foreflight, it worked out surprisingly well if a little misshapen - it's mainly the altitude precision I'm interested in.

@BretCopeland 590?! hmm 590-360="just a little confused about where the runway is"

Bret Copeland

"Cessna 237, runway 59 cleared to land, number two following the unidentified object."

voretaq7

18:23

@BretCopeland "Traffic in sight. It's a HoverCat."

ratchet freak

ah the photoshop hovercat

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 man, those things are so hard to see from the air.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland HoverCat is Day VFR only - it has no electrical system :)

I suppose it also qualifies as an ultralight...

Bret Copeland

I suppose runway 59 might give new meaning to "circle to land"

voretaq7

Need a compass upgrade in order to use runways 37 through 72?

Bret Copeland

18:31

Do you ever find that when explaining runway numbers you pick the exact wrong example. I have a strange tendency to want to use 13-31, which immediately makes people think the opposite of runway 14 would be 41, and then I have to backtrack and explain that the trick I accidentally just taught you is entirely wrong.

Probably the main problem is that I tend to use LGA as an example.

ratchet freak

well 2-20 would also work...

voretaq7

@BretCopeland LGA is a bad example for anything. Joe Biden said so :)

Bret Copeland

@ratchetfreak true, but nobody really says runway zero-two.

ratchet freak

but then they think to add a 0 :)

falstro

20:19

@BretCopeland everyone outside the US says zero-two

Doesn't make it good though, i always stumble on that extra zero.

Bret Copeland

@falstro I would be fine with it either way. I might actually prefer the always two-digit style because any time I'm cleared for a single-digit runway I feel like I have to say the word runway, whereas with two digits, I just say the number. "cleared to land runway 1" vs "cleared to land 19"

falstro

@BretCopeland I can understand the idea behind it (like did he say 19 or 9?), but it still feels awkward to say "runway 09"

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I didn't even notice you passed the 10k mark. Well done. It's clear that your day job keeps you busy.

@falstro I actually feel like zero-nine rolls off my tongue pretty easily.

ratchet freak

20:35

isn't it zero-niner?

falstro

@ratchetfreak ninjad..

@BretCopeland Yeah, it's not like it's hard or anything. Maybe it's just that I'm not used to it

Bret Copeland

@ratchetfreak no, because I never say niner.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland I say "niner" and "tree" sometimes, but I never say "fife"

Bret Copeland

I also don't say tree or fife

falstro

@voretaq7 "fife" is also no longer standard is it?

voretaq7

20:39

@BretCopeland hours of waiting for QA tests to finish, punctuated by moments of breaking production because the QA tests were inadequate/broken :-)

Bret Copeland

If your radio is so shitty that you can't distinguish the numbers over the radio, you probably need a better radio, not a different way to say the numbers.

falstro

@BretCopeland hah, spoiled new-yorkers with your fancy pants radio coverage ;)

anyways, I'm off to bed.

Farhan

21:00

@falstro Yes, FIFE is a standard, so is TREE. Neither does make sense though!

NATO phonetic alphabet

The NATO phonetic alphabet, more accurately known as the International Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet and also called the ICAO phonetic or ICAO spelling alphabet, as well as the ITU phonetic alphabet, is the most widely used spelling alphabet. Although often called "phonetic alphabets", spelling alphabets are unassociated with such phonetic transcription systems as the International Phonetic Alphabet; instead, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) alphabet assigned code words acrophonically to the letters of the English alphabet so that critical combinations of letters a...

@BretCopeland saying "niner" appears to be cool ;)

voretaq7

21:12

@Farhan "niner" has a practical (international) rationale behind it: Nine and Nein are phonetically identical over the radio, so it's hard to determine if Hitler is refusing landing clearance, or assigning a runway

Tree and Fife never made much phonetic sense to me - I suspect there's something with the "V" in Five, but I'm not sure about the "H" in Three

Farhan

@voretaq7 I agree with you on this

@voretaq7 10 hours? come on man. I think i have life

voretaq7

@Farhan well it's no fun if he stops!

Farhan

@voretaq7 It is fun to see that some people had time to write a software to convert a 2 second clip to 10 hours

@voretaq7 Haben Sie Deutsch?

voretaq7

21:36

@Farhan I read it better than I speak it, but it's one of the languages I can get my face slapped in if I had to :)

I have a barely-functional comprehension of (simple) spoken German

DeltaLima

22:29

@voretaq7 @BretCopeland @Egid @Lnafziger I don't know which of you guys added a link in my comment to the student / CFI & ATC question, but I just want to thank you for those almost unnoticable but great tweaks you do to make this site to what it is. Keep up the good work.

voretaq7

@DeltaLima that was me - I was going to leave basically the same comment with a link :)

DeltaLima

@voretaq7 ok, like your answer as well. I don't understand the CFI, this goes against basic educational rules. Of course we hear only one side of the story, but still it seems like a perfect teaching opportunity wasted. Kudos for the student to admit his mistake and try to learn something.

ratchet freak

I think he misread the reaction, and saw anger where he should have seen a simple reprimand

voretaq7

@ratchetfreak I think that's part of it too

ratchet freak

22:45

I think that is one of the biggest parts, he made a mistake and now he is second guessing everything about flying

Danny Beckett

23:03

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Aerobatic helicopter tricks with Chuck Aaron

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