@msh210 Older. I could have sworn that we had this question a few months ago, but I can't find it. Maybe it got deleted. Anyway, I'd recommend putting it into past tense and removing the parenthetical example, so as to keep it as hypothetical as possible.
@msh210 I was browsing the site during downtime at work today and a coworker noticed that question title. An awkward conversation about "exactly what do you mean by everything" ensued
@IsaacMoses you're probably thinking of this deleted question (I had the same "isn't this a dupe?" reaction earlier and found that again).
@BabySeal as Isaac said, no yichud except for the narrow case where a moderation issue needs to be discussed privately. This is by design. While technically I could make a mostly-private room for you and someone else (as Isaac said, mods and SE staff always have access), I wouldn't be allowed to per the moderator agreement I signed. Sorry.
@msh210 That would seem valid to me, but I think there still are a handful of elderly Sefaradim with two wives.
@IsaacMoses Yes, it's a dupe. The question was deleted, along with some (IMO) useful comments (e.g. sources from Shas and poskim forbidding other people from being present during relations).
Can I put in my two cents before the fifth close vote is submitted? I'm asking for specific help with a Jewish learning question. I know it's for Purim Torah, but for many Purim Torah is part of Jewish life and learning. — Seth J1 min ago
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@msh210 I created a wiki tag def. on inebriation one or two days ago (subject to approval), but I can't find what happened to it - I don't see any record of it.
The Purim Torah policy addresses question that are, themselves, in the Purim spirit. But there is also Purim Torah which takes for its starting point a “real” question; only the answer is ridiculous.
For a concrete example, take this pseudo-analysis of a serious topic:
Women and Tefillin: a Resp...
@DoubleAA I made the wiki edit for precisely that reason - none of the common dictionaries I looked at define inebriation as being affected by "shrooms etc", only alcohol.
@GeminiMan If you think there's a more general term that ought to be the tag name, with inebriation as a partial-coverage synonym, that could probably be arranged.
@GeminiMan Could. That wouldn't be very intuitive, though.
@GeminiMan The tag currently includes questions about various kinds of being drunk, high, etc. "Inebriation" is a pretty good name for that category. Can you think of a better one?
... Even if not, I don't think the limitations of the English language ought to force us to split up what, conceptually, is a reasonably-connected set of content from Judaism's and MY's point of view.
Oh @Mo-ods? @GeminiMan and I suggest that inebriation be replaced with intoxication and retained as a synonym thereof.
@GeminiMan It's clunky: "Users with more than 2500 reputation and a total answer score of 5 or more on the tag, can suggest tag synonyms. Users with a total answer score (total upvotes minus total downvotes) of 5 or more on the tag, can vote for tag synonyms. Suggestions will be automatically approved when they reach a score of 4, and automatically deleted when they reach a score of -2."
@GeminiMan Could also do it on Meta with specific-tag.
@GeminiMan Honestly, I'm not at all well-acquainted with this feature. It's designed to work well on the metropolis that is Stack Overflow, and it just doesn't scale well for a town our size. Either convince a mod to just do it, or post on Meta and get the community to feedback and vote there, then have a mod implement the will of the community.
@GeminiMan @IsaacMoses replacing inebriation with intoxication and then making a synonym sounds like a good idea to me. I need to figure out how to do this; the tools aren't exactly obvious.
@GeminiMan Yes. The new tag can be created through one edit. Getting it to apply to the back catalog of the old tag requires merging and/or synonimization
Caching this: the current tag has these synonyms: drunk, drunkenness. I don't know if they'll survive (can a synonym have synonyms?), so noting here in case I need to fix later. (I don't think we actually need both of those due to auto-completion; if I have to recreate I'll only do the latter.)
@GeminiMan 2 ways: 1) Hover over the left edge of the message until a little triangle pops up, click on it to bring up a little menu, then click on the "edit" link. 2) Put your cursor in the message-entry box, and hit the up-arrow
@GeminiMan I gather that you had a proposed wiki edit in flight; I've no idea how that was affected by the tag merge. Please take a look and make any adjustments that are now needed with the name change.
@MonicaCellio I passed it on to the developers. The odds it will be fixed increase slightly if there's a meta post. One of 'em told me they'd fix it. ;-)
@JonEricson thanks for passing it along. In this case it seemed like the effort involved in creating, answering, and resolving the meta post would greatly exceed the effort of just fixing it. :-)
@MonicaCellio Yeah. There's a diffusion of responsibility problem, though. Our devs regularly go through bug questions, so someone will eventually see it that way.
@JonEricson true. And if you had to create an entry in your internal bugs database then I just moved the problem (sorry). Managing low-priority bugs (the "if you're in there anyway" ones) is a hard problem; you don't want to add bloat to the bugs DB/MSO, but OTOH out-of-band bug reports can be unreliable.
Meta is our bug database. We have several methods of tracking internally, but we really rely on the community to inform us of bugs. Site-breaking bugs get fixed quickly, which is great. But it does leave us open to minor bugs falling through the cracks.
@IsaacMoses Well... I wouldn't say that. If you consider the value that regular contributors donate, we'd be foolish not to fix a few minor annoyances for them. Jeff talks about Complaint Driven Development, which is what our model more or less is. ;-)
@IsaacMoses Anywho, I specifically left out what the relationship their is for that reason. Those who are concerned should probably add a word like "owner" or "fool." :D
@HodofHod What if you want to approve of the act of quotation but not of the quoted content, e.g. if the quoter is confronting the quoted with the quoted's own words?
Hello - is this the proper place to suggest more verbose / friendly criticism to questions and answers? If not, does a thread already exist on that topic?
@Lee hello! The best place to leave requests for clarification/edits/expansion and other questions related to a post is in a comment on the post. But you're always welcome to bring things up in chat, and if you think it'll lead to a long exchange it's better to do it here than to have a zillion comments on the post.
Oh, missed the "verbose" part of that -- yeah, what they said. Chat is good. What's up?
@MonicaCellio I was referring to my new tag for questions about the PTIJ policy. I understood @HodofHod to be saying we need to clarify better which tag is which.
See the discussion here:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/taanis/insites/tn-dt-13.htm
Note that even in the Geonic era, there were those versions of Shmoneh Esreh that consisted of 18 blessings despite the addition of Velamalshinim.
Even after the additional blessing was added, there was a...
I've received two comments in the past few months from @DoubleAA the brevity of which I found to be unconstructive and the wording of which I found to be someone insulting. I wanted to humbly suggest that comments be worded in a more friendly tone and that they generally err on verboseness over terseness (i.e. more is better).
I know megillah is a little of an over simplification, but it makes it clearer what we are talking about. I think it's entirely unambiguous. Even someone who doesn't know about the project will see that and say "Mi Yodeya has a megillah? click"
In my brief existence on Miyodea I have perceived a lot of pedantry. It is my belief that this is turning people away from the website and that this may constitute a chillul hashem.
For a recent example, read the comments for this question.
My DNA says that the largest population with the same ...
@Lee If you have an issue with a moderator please contact the Stack Exchange team. There's a "contact" button at the bottom of every page on the main site. Please be sure to clearly lay out your case, provide examples, etc. They'll be happy to address your concerns directly.
General question: when I reached the post-editing threshold (with some help from Isaac), the description said that editing to merely fix typos was discouraged. I happen to be an editor of a weekly publication and am used to noticing typos. Should I not correct them if I don't see anything else that I feel needs to be improved?
@IsaacMoses I agree completely. But they can be turned away politely. One the internet no one knows you're a dog that you're merely striving for high standards, instead of striving for high standards and being rude.
@IsaacMoses In my experience, yes... As much as I'd prefer it not be the case, I've found that if a user is not getting along with a Moderator to the point of going out of their way to contact the Mod directly, it's time to get the Community Team involved. They're really great at sorting these situations out.
@DoubleAA @YEZ The two main negative use cases of minor edits I can think of are: 1) fixing a typo on an old, low quality post bounces it up for undue extra attention. 2) Doing lots of them in serial clutters up the front page, crowding out substantive new activity (e.g. new Qs and As). It's not hard to avoid these consequences with a little judgement.
This is the first time @Lee has raised this issue AFAIK, and we already know that interactions on the Internet, where everybody has different backgrounds, different cultural norms, and different canine stati (joke), can be challenging. I think we all -- Lee, @DoubleAA, and everybody else -- have the best of intentions and human imperfections. If we can discuss the issues and not the people we can all learn and improve, yes?
I've been in that situation a couple of times. So far I've only had the community team "talk" to me once about something I said/did. The other times whatever I did was generally "correct" and the community team has better skills than most when it comes to communicating with users.
@YEZ There's plenty of watching going on. The electronic panopticon continually reinforces Avot's message of the eye, the ear, and the pen. Also, there are some creepy people out there.
This is just my personal opinion, but: @ChrisS is a mod on a large site; with more users and more mods there's increased risk of user-mod differences. While anybody should always feel free to contact the team about anything any of us are doing that you don't like, I would hope that if the user is comfortable bringing it up, we could try to resolve differences directly. If I err as a mod I want to be able to set things right as promptly as possible.
@HodofHod No, but the image is a great deal more salient now than when they said it. R' Rakeffet mentions this from time to time, tongue at least partially in cheek, as the reason the camera was invented.
@YEZ I, too, have trouble not noticing grammar problems and the like (tech writer here), and my first reaction is to reach for the edit link to make it better. As others said, weigh the magnitude of the problem against the effect of bumping; there's no hard-and-fast rule, so use your best judgement. I try to find other things that can be improved while I'm in there.
@MonicaCellio Unfortunately I'm an empty barrel when it comes to content, so I don't do much of that. Plus I feel bad imposing my opinion of an improvement.
@YEZ if it's a case of multiple valid styles, then yeah, don't impose yours on the author. We get that with transliteration all the time, for instance.
@IsaacMoses @MonicaCellio Is what I just did (editing a post based on obvious intent expressed in comments) encouraged, discouraged, or not cared about either way?
@YEZ Encouraged! One thing to watch out for is if it's a valid question as stated, and there are answers that address it as stated, and your edit makes those answers no longer address it. That's potentially unfair to answerers.
@YEZ good edit. Bringing stuff in from comments is particularly good, as comments aren't meant to be long-lived most of the time and, anyway, the info should be right there in the post. When you do that, go ahead and flag any comments that are now obsolete.
@MonicaCellio Bavel and Yerushalayim are nouns, and Bavli and Yerushalmi are their demonyms. Talmud Yerushalmi and Talmud Bavli are proper nouns meaning "the talmud of Yerushalayim" and "the talmud of Bavel" respectively.
Some who says just "Bavli" or "Yerushalmi" to refer to those locations' talmuds is using a shorthand (or perhaps a synecdoche).
@DoubleAA thanks. I know Bavli/Yerushalmi are adjectives, and that adjectives follow nouns, but for some reason I couldn't remember actually seeing "talmud Bavli" or "talmud Yerushalmi" in use, even though they should be fine logically. Hence wanting the sanity check.
Generally I'm used to people just abbreviating as Bavli/Yerushalmi in that case, but I wanted "talmud" in there for SEO.
No problem. Someone asked me today about finding Yerushalmi in English online (after doing some googling himself), so I thought to try and help the SEO on that post.
Related to a comment to Limited Purim Torah Questions, can we please know how many Purim Torah questions have been posted compared to the normal number of questions posted to the site in a similar period?
@YEZ no, typing that here in chat didn't create it; only affixing the tag to a question creates it. But the web site can't tell from the URL, so it shows you the "tag" page with nothing on it if you click from here.
See the discussion here:
http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/taanis/insites/tn-dt-13.htm
Note that even in the Geonic era, there were those versions of Shmoneh Esreh that consisted of 18 blessings despite the addition of Velamalshinim.
Even after the additional blessing was added, there was a...
In my brief existence on Miyodea I have perceived a lot of pedantry. It is my belief that this is turning people away from the website and that this may constitute a chillul hashem.
For a recent example, read the comments for this question.
My DNA says that the largest population with the same ...
Related to a comment to Limited Purim Torah Questions, can we please know how many Purim Torah questions have been posted compared to the normal number of questions posted to the site in a similar period?
