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12:37 AM
@Adnan I didn't save my password as a password, I typed it in as a username and it got saved in autocomplete.
 
we had someone at work accidentally type their password in their username box when remote desktoping in to their computer in front of the entire engineering team
 
@AJHenderson you can always spend some of that on bounties, help get answers for good questions that don't have them yet ;)
 
@AJ Nice.
 
@TildalWave true, but I'm more referring to the fact that other people need a chance to give answers. I've noticed I'm fairly often the only one to give an answer
at least if I get there first
 
That's the best place to do it, because then you'll only be mocked forever instead of hacked...
 
12:43 AM
@TildalWave but I suppose I should do some bounties too now that I have no need for my reputation
almost to the point where I don't need my reputation any more on IT Security too :)
under 400 to go
 
1:25 AM
@AJHenderson I'd save bounties for old unanswered questions, otherwise just try to explain to members why voting matters, perhaps something like this: meta.codereview.stackexchange.com/a/556/21512
@AJHenderson or more detailed, with other suggestions what members can do to help the site grow: meta.space.stackexchange.com/a/411/49
(ignore the first part about the stats)
 
2:07 AM
@KnightOf Then it's even easier. Go to the site where you did the deed, start typing the password in the username field, FF will suggest it for you. Now just highlight it with the mouse and press Delete (or Shift+Delete. Depending on the FF version)
 
2:19 AM
@Adnan Thanks, I didn't know that worked. Previously did this with my e-mail and had to solve the problem by uninstalling and reinstalling Firefox. I like your way better :)
 
 
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4:33 AM
I ain't even mad.
 
5:03 AM
Tonight's top story: Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness, died in his home this morning at the age of [unintelligible rune]. Due to the large number of sharks inhabiting his former kingdom, no body could be recovered.
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ok, wow, I completely forgot it was friday
 
 
1 hour later…
6:17 AM
@AJHenderson gotta take out the trash!
 
 
2 hours later…
8:36 AM
you all have to be really nice to me today
 
@kalina That really isn't an option.
 
you have to be
it's my 21st birthday today
 
@kalina Ah. Happy birthday! But still, not an option. :P
We can only be less mean to you.
 
I'll be back tomorrow then!
today is a drama free day, I'm already not chatting on gaming :p
 
@kalina Well, let's just hope that Simon, Adnan and AviD won't be around today then. :P
 
8:49 AM
@kalina Happy Birthday!!!
Now you can legally get drunk in all 50 states.
... right?
@TerryChia whaaa?? I'm nice! Even when she doesnt deserve it!
 
@AviD Snarky tigger probably isn't a good fit for drama free day.
 
me and drama never go together.
Sorry! I meant, "Drama and I never go together."
Or is it Dharma?
 
@AviD Wait, I thought you were married?
 
@TerryChia Drama-free.
Well, except for my teenage daughters.
 
@AviD 100%? That's unlikely. ;)
 
8:55 AM
I really doubt that your teenage daughters are the source of any drama at all
I certainly never caused any drama while I was a teenager
goddam it's hard to say that with a straight face
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@kalina Rigggggggggggggggggggght!
 
reaching your teens as a girl is a difficult time of your life
not only does your body start completely changing in shape and sizes but you also begin to periodically bleed like you've been stabbed
also boys change from annoying wastes of spaces to something you want to spend time with
that's pretty hard to get over
 
9:11 AM
morning =)
I have question (regarding Windows default permission set for files)
Do you know a way to set default permission sets for files when they are created?
because, by default, Windows 7 gives read permissions to the group "users"
And I don't know if it is possible to tell windows that "by default" the permission should be restricted automatically to the user who created the file
(I am not a windows guy :( )
 
You will want @AviD or @RоryMcCune for this.
 
@TerryChia thanks lets see if any of them read it =)
 
@TerryChia why? We are both adults.
 
@kiBytes I imagine it's a registry setting of some sort though.
 
I could tell you but I don't want you to just blindly follow my instructions
I'm not taking responsibility for you removing all of the permissions from important folders
 
9:16 AM
@kiBytes by default a new file inherits the ACL from the folder in which it is created.
 
@TerryChia nah you can do inheritable permissions
so if you change the permissions against the top level folder or drive they will inherit down for all new folders
 
@kalina The windows equivalent of chmod -R 777 /?
 
if you want to change the "default" ACL for new files - change the settings on the folder.
 
but if you go removing permissions at drive level and then cascade them down
you end up in situations where users can't access C:\Windows and stupid things like that if you're not careful
so I'm not just going to tell him how to do it :p
you know the other day, there was a question on Ask Ubuntu
which was "I couldn't run a program in /usr/bin as a normal user so I did chown -R user:group /usr/bin, now it's all broken"
 
@kalina yeah, well, you should never touch the drive level permissions. Only for a specific folder.
@kalina heh, thats amusing.
 
9:18 AM
@AviD it's fine on any drive other than the one windows and program files are on
 
@kalina actually even then you shouldnt change the drive level ACL. You could, but shouldnt.
 
@kalina Yeah, people do plenty of stupid things.
 
@AviD I have, the world didn't end
 
Hi!
 
9:34 AM
@AviD great, that was the problem :S
 
@Trajan Do you have a horse?
 
No @AviD he has a harse =D
 
@kiBytes yeah, the Windows / NTFS permissions model is so conceptually different from Linux', I've noticed that it is often difficult to wrap your head around one when you are familiar with the other.
@kiBytes hehe
 
I have found that the way and admin has to administer permissions ("security") in windows is a PITA
SO difficult, so many clicks and so many popup windows...
Incredible
 
@AviD do friendly ponies count ?
 
9:40 AM
@Trajan did you just call @kalina "friendly"....?
@kalina opps, sorry!
 
I'm naive that way, I tend to assume people are friendly until proven wrong.
 
@kiBytes only because you are not familiar with it. It is actually very scalable and administerable. Scriptable too, if you know what you are doing.
@Trajan a word of warning then, about this room....
 
I don't doubt on that, I am sure it has potential I am just talking about usability
I find it very confusing (but you are right to tell I am not use to it), but the first impression is "this is messy to change"
I am speaking about "right click->properties->security..." on the folder
maybe there is an easier way to do that, that I don't know =)
 
@kiBytes it is also a lot more granular, so you might be tripping up on that.
@kiBytes ahh, okay - that comes back to Windows being a GUI OS first of all.
 
@kiBytes Powershell can probably do it?
 
9:44 AM
@AviD Does this mean you wouldn't answer to a tiny, not Q-worthy, question ?
 
@TerryChia absolutely.
@Trajan we might. But expect a fair amount of snark with it.
Especially if @TerryChia answers.
 
@AviD Hey, I was just about to say that about you.
 
I'll brace myself.
 
@TerryChia @Trajan see?
 
is it possible to detect a wi-fi receiver, even if he's not receiving naything at the moment ?
 
9:48 AM
ymean if the receiver is off?
 
powered on, but not receiving anything
 
anyway I really wouldnt know the answer to this. if @TerryChia isnt helpful, you would probably need @Iszi for this.
 
@Trajan What do you mean by "not receiving anything".
Because they do occasionally send out probes to discover wifi access points etc.
 
I'm actually trying to transpose a rpg setting in real-life to answer a rule question
so it's impossible for a wifi receiver to be absolutely traffic-free ?
 
I believe
 
9:53 AM
Rocket propelled grenade? Those might be useful after you detect the receiver.
 
and may @TerryChia correct me if I am wrong
that you can make a WiFi Spot invisible
 
@kiBytes I can fly
 
@kiBytes is this a Bon Jovi song?
 
Hahahaha!
 
if you make the BSSID invisible it will stop sending beacons
 
9:54 AM
@AviD RPGs are almost always useless
 
@Adnan Shock and awe.
 
@Adnan Me playing Halo will completely disagree with that statement.
 
so it will be fairly impossible to detect it if it doesn't send back any response (to a proper configured wifi client)
 
@TerryChia ah, the classic rocket-propelled-high-jump.
 
however as soon as you have traffic on that router, anyone will be able to know that there is something there =)
 
9:55 AM
@TerryChia :D
 
@kiBytes That was my guessing, thank you
 
@AviD I had a lot of fun with 8 players in a game that allows only RPGs.
 
@TerryChia hehe
 
@Trajan be welcome =)
 
If I remember correctly, there was a popular mod in Counterstrike that only allowed grenades and knives.
And the entire board was made of glass.
 
9:57 AM
@AviD Inaccurate, only effective in very enclosed and computable places, and there's no decent tank in the last 20 years that is disabled or even hurt by a one or two RPGs
 
so the exploding grenade blew out the floors.... and anybody near by fell to the spikes below.
@Adnan I didnt mention tanks...
though technically anti-tank weapons are a kind of RPG (though usually not what is meant).
 
@AviD Then, personnel?
 
@Adnan sure, but I said "shock and awe" - meaning it was more about the psychological effect, and tactical misdirection.
 
@kiBytes Admittedly I'm not really an expert on wireless security, but perhaps I should have said "It's impossible to hide a wireless receiver if you want it to actually do something." If not just turn the damn thing off.
 
@AviD Here's an impression of me seeing an RPG coming towards my general direction:
> Oh no, this flying thing will explode very mildly next to me and dig a small hole in the ground next to me. I better run away.. like 1m away.
 
10:00 AM
hehe
 
@TerryChia yes, and also, "hiding" the wifi is security by obscurity =)
 
It's a grenade! With rockets! Exploding anywhere!
 
@Adnan You forgot the primary purpose of an RPG, it's freaking awesome. I guarantee that most people won't have that same reaction if they see one flying towards them.
 
Although hiding a wifi can be useful if they are forbidden or something like that... So you will have to use radio FM tunneling or something like that =)
and that wouldn't be a "wifi" anymore (at least an 802.X one)
 
10:20 AM
2 hours ago, by kalina
you all have to be really nice to me today
 
@kalina What's wrong, sweetness?
Fun fact: In Finland, Valentine's day is called Ystävänpäivä, which means "Friends' Day".
This is the most friendzoned nation on the planet.
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10:53 AM
@Adnan it's my birthday
 
@kalina In other words, everything is wrong.
 
no, everything is right
there is a single user on softwarerecs who is single handedly destroying the site
10 out of 50 posts on meta are questions complaining about one question being closed
my internal drama levels are slowly rising
 
@kalina So on this day some years ago, your royal presence delighted our world?
 
yep, approx 10 hours ago, 21 years ago
 
@kalina Happy birthday, then. May your life be filled with successful jobs, joints, and unlimited lines of coke.
and guys who shower daily.
 
11:20 AM
2 hours ago, by AviD
@kalina opps, sorry!
 
 
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1:27 PM
@Tildal @RoryM Yesterday, while I was leaving the office, a person approaches me and says hi. He then identifies himself as the dude who was "harassing" me on the chat. Surprisingly, he was very polite and explained himself. Apparently, he likes a girl I'm seeing and he asked if it's possible to, and I quote, "let her go so he can have her". After I said no, he asked me if I want a drink. We went to a bar, had a few drinks, he paid everything and then we left. Quite an interesting confrontation.
 
@Adnan That's just weird.
 
@TerryChia Which part? That he was annoying as duck on the chat and he was surprisingly alright in real life? Or that he paid about 25 euros for my drinks? Or that such situation appeared to defuse itself so peacefully?
 
@Adnan How about all of it?
 
I found all of them very weird.
@TerryChia Indeed
At first, I expected a fight, but then I remembered that people don't really fight here in Finland.
If someone attacks you with a knife and then you tackle him and he falls and breaks his arm, then you go to jail.
 
@Adnan All quite unbelievable. As in, we do not believe you.
 
1:37 PM
@AviD Until my alcohol buzz went away, I didn't believe it either. So I understand you.
 
who is this chatharrasser?
 
@AviD John The Ripper or something like that.
 
@AviD John The ripper
 
huh, dont remember this.
 
@AviD It was yesterday around this time I think. @TildalWave banned him before it got out of hand.
 
1:38 PM
hmm, I guess I was out at meetings.
 
@TerryChia @AviD I'm afraid that he still holds a grudge (and he probably is), and will probably appear in my way some other time.
Perhaps I should ask the girl I'm seeing to sleep with him, be so awful in bed, and get it over with.
Yeah, I bet that would fix the situation.
 
@Adnan I would be interested in hearing about how that backfires on you.
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So +1.
 
@Adnan I'm sure he would absolutely hate that.
Perhaps I should harrass you too, and you'll have one of your girls sleep with me too. That would be horrible.
 
@AviD Wait wait.. do you get to pick?
 
pick what?
 
1:44 PM
@AviD Which girl.
 
dunno, do I?
 
@AviD Harassing @Adnan is a reward in itself.
 
Though I'm married.
 
@AviD True. Cheating one of the worst things in the world. (excluding genocide, famines, torture, etc.)
@TerryChia Which kind of harassment? Sexual harassment definitely is.
 
I was just trying to point out, by taking it to the logical yet absurd extreme, how counter-productive your suggested punishment is.
 
1:50 PM
@AviD Ah.. you people and your logic and sense making.
 
That's racist.
 
@AviD I meant you... ahhh.
 
That's worse.
 
@AviD Jesus Christ on the cross!
You people.. the DMZ people.
 
Well, it's certainly not better.
 
2:24 PM
Tainted love on floppy disks... with vocals by Marc Almond!
 
so geeky
 
@kalina so cool
 
geeky
 
for all the horrors of modern social networking, that the original vocalist of the the song sees it and takes the time to record vocals for it is cool
@Adnan you do attract a better class of stalker it seems
@polynomial 's stalker didn't buy him drinks AFAICR
hey @Adnan I think I've found the perfect girl for you...
 
@RоryMcCune But he has @Poly's photo as his desktop wallpaper. I mean... that's so much nicer.
 
2:34 PM
@TerryChia well for him, but knowing @poly I think he'd have preferred the free alcohol...
 
@Trajan It depends on what you mean by wifi receiver. If all someone is doing is listening to other people's traffic, and not sending any of their own, then it is to my knowledge impossible to detect them. However, if their device wishes to communicate with other devices bi-directionally then they will have to transmit something at some time. Once something becomes a transmitter it is impossible for it to not be traceable while it is active.
 
2:52 PM
@Iszi Like I said, I try to approach the way a futuristic setting work by comparing it to actual technology, so it's somewhat doomed to be inaccurate (primarily because of my lack of networking knowledge). But thanks for the precisions anyway !
Someone mentionned wifi receiver sending "probes" to detect available wifi networks, I guess it counts as being a transmitter ?
 
@Trajan Yes, but it's also very possible that the wifi receiver may just passively listen to other traffic without sending any of its own. It depends on the design of the device and the intent and ability of the user.
 
I didn't know that. I guess it has to do with traffic being broadcasted rather than sent to any particular device ?
 
In general there are two modes that a wireless adapter can be in. In standard mode it'll broadcast looking for connections to known networks (probe requests), however it's also possible to put most cards into "monitor mode" where they purely listen to traffic being broadcast
 
3:09 PM
@RоryMcCune Why does she stare like that?
and why is that perfect for me?
 
@Adnan well in that you seem to attract stalkers, I thought she'd be a good addition to your collection :)
the stare came from her original vids, it's a character called "overly attached girlfriend"
 
@Adnan You decide in Finland who's gonna be with some woman without asking her what she thinks about it?
 
@RоryMcCune Hehehe.. overly attached girlfriend, à la Girlfriend.
@TildalWave I shouldn't have to ask her if she wants to be with the other dude, what the hell?! He already talked to her and she rejected him because she's dating me.
 
@Adnan that's what I meant, problem solved
It just seems a bit odd that he'd ask you about this later on, like at some cattle fair. She said no, that's the end of it. I hope
 
@TildalWave Well, let's not pretend like every instance of this situations follows the exact procedure. We've all seen situations where the dude/girl can't take the No.
 
3:17 PM
@Adnan I know, that's why I said that I hope that's the end of it. I can't say I trust that'll be the case, all of it seems pretty fishy from the start.
Frankly, if that happened to me, I'd deal with it there and then.
 
@TildalWave Please, elaborate.
 
@Adnan To me, it's unacceptable that someone would be lurking on my partner and then ask me about it like she's some object to trade with. I'd probably end up being arrested to be honest
 
@TildalWave Which is the opinion I hold. The issue is I'm not too keen on getting arrested. Especially not in a country in which I reside based on a work visa.
 
@Adnan That's why you have to be extra vigilant. I can't offer you suggestions here, but there are ways to handle it in gloves too.
 
@Trajan Wireless traffic is always broadcast, strictly speaking. That is, when a device sends out traffic, any device in range can hear it whether it is the intended target or not.
 
3:24 PM
You guys are so boring.
 
@TildalWave Not when the dude is seen lurking around your workplace, has been publicly telling people how big of an asshole you are. If he happened to "slip and fall" or somehow get into troubles, I can assure you I'd be the first one on the police's list.
@Simon Then stop coming here. Problem solved.
 
@Adnan Got some sand today?
 
@Adnan Report it then
@Simon you face is boring
 
@Simon Evidently, I'm not the one who walked into a chat room and claimed that everybody in it is boring. Now, use the thing between your shoulder and, tell me, who's walking around with sand between their thighs?
 
@Trajan Instead of thinking of things as "transmitters" or "receivers" I think you need to just think of them as "devices" which are capable of transmitting and/or receiving at any given time. It's becoming increasingly rare that any device these days is just a transmitter or receiver - the obvious exceptions being TV/radio stations and their intended audiences.
 
3:27 PM
@Adnan sandman :)
 
@Adnan Jesus Christ, did I really offend you when I typed that?
 
@TildalWave At this point, we're just waiting for him to make contact with her after she asked him to stop. Once he does, we'll report it.
@TildalWave Sandeman*
Pretty good Port wine
 
@TildalWave I really don't see why that dude became a villain. He could have been the richest guy in the Marvel Universe.
 
@Simon Not at all.
 
ah lol, didn't get it at first
@TerryChia dunno, talk to Marvel
 
3:28 PM
@Simon Cheer up, I actually like you.
 
@Trajan The only way for a wireless device to be completely untraceable is if it is operating in a receiving-only mode. Generally, that will mean that the device is only listening to other people's traffic or to transmissions which are being sent out to a general audience. It's very rare that a device that is only operating as a receiver (never transmitting) will capture traffic that is specifically meant for them.
@Trajan For a receiving-only device to catch traffic that's actually intended, specifically, to be sent to it would mean that there is a transmitting device somewhere that is intentionally configured to send that information.
 
3:59 PM
@Adnan LIES IT'S ALL LIES
 
4:43 PM
@Iszi Thank you very much for your explanations
 
5:07 PM
nifty, someone is randomly trying e-mail accounts and passwords against my mail server
some really bizar choices of usernames too
oddly, my home internet is experiencing issues at the same time
 
5:38 PM
well, I have my auth limit checks set tighter anyway
so that should reduce the overhead the ongoing attack causes on my server
most bizarre attack ever though
it did atleast let me find a misconfiguration though
apparently my mail server was still blacklisting IPs for multiple auth attempts
but I have a spam proxy
so they all appeared to originate from the proxy
and it then shutdown it's ability to get mail from itself
(oops)
 
6:17 PM
in other news, this has to be the stupidest attack I've ever seen
I enabled logging of usernames and passwords being attempted
they are trying things like "phoenix"
with password "phoenix"
then phoenix1
then phoenix123
and the ip is then summarily black listed
doesn't seem to disuade them from trying again with a different username every 5 to 10 minutes though
distributed IPs too
so they are using botnet resources on it
 
7:10 PM
@ton.yeung Because he's wondering about the continuation of a legend.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:33 PM
Anyone know what scanner made this report?
 
8:54 PM
@Iszi I normally see an HTML or PDF output. That's a windows app screenshot
 
9:20 PM
Dude.
This weeks sucks.
Two weeks ago my kids went to a swim party with a neighbor whose 3-yo "has allergies" and likes to put her hands in babies' faces.
The allergies turned out to be RSV -- basically a cold from Hell that kills babies. So my 5-yo has been sick at home vomiting. And my daughter spent 3 days in the hospital.
And I can't hear out of my right ear.
and nobody has slept more than 2 hours in a go.
 
Human respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) is a virus that causes respiratory tract infections. It is a major cause of lower respiratory tract infections and hospital visits during infancy and childhood. A prophylactic medication (not a vaccine) exists for preterm (under 35 weeks gestation) infants, infants with certain congenital heart defects (CHD) or bronchopulmonary dysplasia (BPD), and infants with congenital malformations of the airway. Treatment is limited to supportive care (for example C-PAP), including oxygen therapy. In temperate climates there is an annual epidemic during the wi...
So that's what's been going around?
 
@Iszi it's been going around HERE. Not sure where you are.
it sucks, though.
 
@tylerl Vomiting is not usually a symptom of a cold, or even RSV I think. Though nausea may be caused by sinus drainage into the stomach.
 
@Iszi little kids vomit at the slightest provocation. It's like a defense mechanism.
less when they're 5, but sinus drainage is probably a factor. Any sort of respiratory distress can cause a vomit reaction.
I know it's saved this kid's life more than once.
 
9:37 PM
@tylerl My wife still gets nauseated when she has a cold.
 
Supposedly adults get about 5 years immunity w/ RSV, but this has been tearing through our community pretty heavily, and few people are getting passed over. Could be a fresh strain or perhaps we've been lucky for too long.
Though I remember when my son was in the hospital this time last year (yay!), they were at capacity with pediatric respiratory cases. So I'm not sure.
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Q: I made a mistake in renewing my cert, can you help me figure out what I did wrong? MS IIS 7 ISA

user3096327Sorry if this is a duplicate question, but I didn't see anything like my problem. This is also my first time renewing a cert. So, a bit of backstory. We have a sharepoint site, with a ISA firewall doing web traffic redirection. Our Sharepoint server is not public facing, so we have a cert for a ...

NO
This is not your Tech Support hotline.
 
9:53 PM
@tylerl sounds terrible, I hope you all get better ASAP ... never heard of RSV before tho, but I did catch something similarly nasty whatsitcalled last year from my bro's child that got it in the kindergarten
 
@TildalWave I only heard about it when I had a baby. And I heard about it because it was the biggest thing all the hospital staff were worried about and the reason why kids were not allowed to visit the maternity ward.
 
Yup sounds same as with that one I got, don't remember any longer its name but it wasn't exactly that. I read about it in our papers tho, and I think someone mentioned it, might have been my bro. I was all crap and the worst thing was that I could barely look at the monitor (came with photosensitivity affecting sinus area and that region the most) and I had tons of stuff to do. Constant headaches too, really awful ones.
@tylerl you're on a sick leave now?
 
@TildalWave The boss doesn't get sick leave
he takes leave when he thinks he can.
my company is distributed, though. So no worries about spreading disease through physical contact.
 
@tylerl Shit, yes I was same. And half of the days I wanted to kill someone and the other half I could vomit on anyone if they just looked at me funny. And a deadline to catch
 
Yeah. Someone at another company was complaining to me about how much time off he got (or didn't get), and says to me: "It must be nice being able to leave whenever you want"
 
10:06 PM
don't tell them, just nod I find it works the best
 
@tylerl - that question hasn't had any votes to close
 
@RoryAlsop No. I'm feeling too lazy to come up with a good VTC reason. I just wanted to publicly complain.
 
Oh. Okay. :-)
 
Haven't really even read the question (TL;DR) just annoyed by the title
When someone starts out with "let me give you a little background about my situation", that's when I say, "no, let's not do this"
Not even sure that there IS a question in there anywhere.
 
@tylerl I voted as unclear what he's asking, that doesn't require writing any special reason for it, there's two comments under it asking for clarification
 
10:51 PM
holy shit:
thats like saying "Microsoft adopts Android for new windows phones"
 
Heh. Yahoo mail will auto-compose Valentines e-mails for you.
So I've wasted 2 hours continually generating new messages.
The fact that Yahoo doesn't seem to know my gender or sexual orientation makes it... interesting.
 
11:15 PM
@KnightOfNi oh they know it, they just can't admit to knowing it
@tylerl that's ... interesting
 
@tylerl I've actually heard that idea's being tossed about.
I've heard it in one of two forms:

1. Microsoft will make a Windows-flavored Android and call it the new Windows Phone
2. Microsoft will bake in an Android emulator so that Android apps can run on Windows Phone
 
11:49 PM
Rather than unclear, wouldn't this be more of an OT -> SF?
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Q: I made a mistake in renewing my cert, can you help me figure out what I did wrong? MS IIS 7 ISA

user3096327Sorry if this is a duplicate question, but I didn't see anything like my problem. This is also my first time renewing a cert. So, a bit of backstory. We have a sharepoint site, with a ISA firewall doing web traffic redirection. Our Sharepoint server is not public facing, so we have a cert for a ...

 
@Iszi yes, but that involved writing a custom off-topic close reason and that's what we were trying to avoid :)
and it would still have to be clarified before migration
 
@Iszi That would be an interesting idea, an emulator. Right now, WP has tragically few apps.
 

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