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11:49 AM
@badp Pfft with your SO links.
 
12:15 PM
@3ventic I went there from stackexchange.com/legal
 
I can't remember how I originally found out about that page, but I've certainly seen it before.
 
12:39 PM
Candidates: There is a fine line between joking and harassment. As a mod, you will have access to each users' email address. What's to stop you from, say, setting up a script to automatically email users? Do you think things like spamming a user's personal email account are appropriate moderator behavior?
 
@OrigamiRobot It should be obvious that something like that isn't acceptable..
 
1:11 PM
@OrigamiRobot Obviously this is unacceptable. Well, I can't give you proof I won't do that, but it's ethically wrong. BTW contacting a user by mail should be the last resort when it comes to moderation. I am also pretty sure this is a cause of mod revocation in the moderator agreement.
 
1:30 PM
@M'vy How do you feel this relates to the philosophy that all past actions are reflected on one's candidacy and/or modship?
 
@OrigamiRob clear violation of the Moderator Agreement.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz How do you feel this relates to the philosophy that all past actions are reflected on one's candidacy and/or modship?
 
I will let the aggreiving party speak for himself on the matter.
 
@OrigamiRobot That's not acceptable. Obviously doing something like that with an email address gotten via mod tools is a gross violation of that user's privacy. (I'd forgotten about that script, I'll happily turn it off.)
 
@fredley But if the email address isn't gotten through mod tools, it's probably fair game.
 
1:41 PM
@StrixVaria In this case, my email address was obtained via the communication another user started when trying to organize a community event.
 
@StrixVaria Not necessarily. If the user is playing along while I'm setting it up it's probably okay.
 
Regardless, I don't think giving a user your email address should need to come with the explicitly stated disclaimer of "Don't spam me"
 
Speaking of ToS violations: hey @bapd -> askubuntu.com/users/240874/adolf-hitler just joined us.
 
@OrigamiRobot You seem to be suggesting that I'm harassing you? If this is the case, up until this point I thought it was a harmless joke.
 
@fredley Even after specifically being told that I had to set up a filter to avoid the emails and that I put you on ignore for annoying me?
 
1:45 PM
@OrigamiRobot I'm sorry. I had no idea it was causing such a problem.
 
@origamirob that said, and all such misbehavior being rightly condemned... He's right, you're not famous.
 
@fredley Which is entirely the problem here.
 
@OrigamiRobot Obviously, if elected I would hold back from things like that (although, there are no other things like that). I don't think this one case of a joke getting out of hand is indicative of my behaviour in general.
@OrigamiRobot Also it's worth pointing out, you never actually asked me to stop the script.
 
@fredley If you are elected, all you past site/chat activity will be associated with your diamond. How do you think this relates to that?
 
@OrigamiRobot It's an unfortunate episode, but I don't think that it affects anyone besides you and me.
@OrigamiRobot I doubt that other people's long-past chat logs - even moderators' - is subject to much scrutiny.
 
@OrigamiRobot There were a few, but at the time I viewed it as an escalation in a friendly conflict. I'd scripted to email you, you'd scripted to block. Also that was a message to @GnomeSlice. You only messaged me directly once about your block.
 
@OrigamiRobot @fredley You two should open up a private chatroom, IMO.
The examples being given here are too specific to fredley to make this applicable to the rest of the mod candidates.
 
@fredley This specific incident only directly affects you and I, but that's not the point. I have a way to deal with the situation and am not bothered by the actual emails. What I still take issue with is that someone who thought this was ok is potentially going to be a mod.
 
@mana but arguably of interest to any voters, which is I think @origamirob's point.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Exactly.
 
2:00 PM
@Mana The chat is allowed to be used for asking questions to specific nominees. There's no requirement to ask a question which applies to all nominees.
 
@OrigamiRobot I flagged up the script while I was creating it, I even made screenshots. If you had an issue, why didn't you raise it then?
 
That's true.
@fredley I don't think he believed you were actually going to do it, even if you were joking.
 
@fredley A) I didn't think you'd actually do it. I didn't receive the first email until some time (a few days, IIRC) later. B) Do you think someone needed to tell you that this was inappropriate?
 
I thought that this behaviour was appropriate in that case, given that fact that we'd Minecrafted/Mumbled before. I gave you plenty of notice about what I was doing and you didn't raise an issue. It should be clear that as a moderator I would both be much more cautious about doing such things in future, and that I wouldn't be doing something like that to someone who I didn't think would take the joke anyway.
@Mana I posted a screenshot of IFTTT!
@OrigamiRobot When you received the email, why didn't you ask me to stop?
I'm really sorry about this whole thing, but I honestly had no idea it was such a big issue for you.
 
Additionally, none of my reactions to this matter since receiving the emails have been positive.
 
2:06 PM
@OrigamiRobot As I said before, there was one reaction, telling me you were blocking them. I thought nothing of it.
It was also phrased in what I interpreted as a joking fashion:
in The Bridge, Aug 8 '13 at 15:22, by OrigamiRobot
@fredley I am auto-deleting everything you email me so don't send me something important.
 
@fredley Because as I said, I have taken measures to avoid the annoyance. The emails themselves are not a problem for me anymore. The fact that you thought this was acceptable in any fashion is the problem.
 
@OrigamiRobot I thought it was acceptable in this one specific case and I was wrong, I admit that. I don't blame you here. It has never happened, and will never happen in any other cases.
 
@OrigamiRobot Well, we are responsible for our past actions, not matter what it's done. However past actions also include excuses and amends. It's actually to one and each to judge in all honesty.
 
@fredley How do you feel this relates to other candidates being heavily criticized for long-past one-time (to our knowledge) actions such as sockpuppeting?
 
@OrigamiRobot I believe anybody in a position of responsibility behaves differently. Not just their own reputation is at stake but that of the site and the community.
 
2:20 PM
@fredley This is true most of the time, but not always.
 
2:42 PM
BTW @3ventic congratulations on the 10k
 
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3:06 PM
For the record, the point of this isn't to reveal maliciousness. I don't think @fredley is wringing his hands in delight planning ways to harass users. One of my favorite parts about election on SE is that a user must realize that everything they've done in the past will have a diamond attached to it and potentially sets an example for future users. I felt the need to bring this to the forefront because the nature of this situation lends itself to being easily overlooked.
The issues here are, in my opinion, poor judgement, shortsightedness, and failure to realize when something has gone too far. I believe these are all important issues to any candidate and potential voters. I am certain the intention was perfectly innocent, but intention is not always the same as the actual effect.
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Election Q&A: done.
 
 
6 hours later…
8:43 PM
What's with the votes on the Q&A answers? You are voting in the wrong place people!
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