12:00 AM
@AlanMunn Renoir is not my favorite impressionist. Magritte was a genius. I don't know Genzken, but judging from some image in Google I don't think I'd go to the US for an exhibition. ;-)
I enjoyed visiting the Beaubourg; but the "contemporary art" section is full of rubbish.

@egreg Magritte was certainly a genius. Genzken's stuff is a mixture of more conceptual stuff, and actual art. It was a bit of a mixed bag, some I really liked, and others, meh. But you have to love anyone who creates a work called 'Fuck the Bauhaus'. :)

@AlanMunn :)

@PauloCereda downvote egreg if he gets past 10:-)

@DavidCarlisle Roger. :)
@AlanMunn, @egreg: I have no idea of what you guys are talking. :( I have no knowledge on arts. :(

12:23 AM
@PauloCereda It's just like my picture of a plane, but older
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@DavidCarlisle LOL

@PauloCereda Go to Paris at the Orangerie (at the corner of Jardin de Tuileries, next to Place de la Concorde). You'll see “Les nymphées” by Monet and you'll fall in love.

@egreg :)

Good night!

@egreg Buonanotte! :)

9 hours later…
10:00 AM
It's so quiet in here.

10:16 AM
@PauloCereda We are working ;-)

@MarcoDaniel Oh no! :) Me too. :)

@PauloCereda Lecture in ten minutes.

@egreg ooh! :) What will the lecture? :)

@PauloCereda Again examples of change of bases.

@egreg Ah cool. :)
too lazy for surface tension and colorblind for the surface edge — percusse 11 hours ago
@percusse: sir you are awesome. :)
@DavidCarlisle: you are becoming an expert in Portuguese. :)

11:02 AM
@PauloCereda the longtable one? I thought it was Spanish:-)

@DavidCarlisle Close enough. :) It's portuguese. :)

1 hour later…
12:03 PM
Best part: the penguins singing. :)

1:01 PM
Yay Alan Jackson is here! :)
<3
Everybody busy today, it seems. :)

1:12 PM
Yes, 10310384 projects at the same time.

1:36 PM
Ja, wenn wir alle Englein wären,
dann wär die Welt nur halb so schön.
Wenn wir nur auf die Tugend schwören,
dann könnten wir doch gleich schlafen gehn.

@PauloCereda great!
I should take German lessons from @PauloCereda

Good luck @topskip.
He's up there with Michel Thomas and DuoLingo :)

@ForkrulAssail His German is much, much, much better than my Portuguese

I'll scam him into typesetting me a german poem when I hit 20k one day (that and the credit card).

1:51 PM
@topskip <3

2:01 PM
Hello all. How are you? I'm despreatly in need of some pdf expert...

@cjorssen Hello! :) Let's poke everybody here. Starting with @topskip. :)

Good ideal @PauloCereda :)

What is PDF? A new typesetting system?

I meant pdf specs :)

2:03 PM
@topskip Portable Doppelgänger Format. :)

someone downvoted my Christmas tree :(

Well, a bit of context first. I need to give my book as a pdf file within the next few hours to my editor and I have some problem with colors. So I'm in a hurry...

Oh colors :(

@topskip David is an expert in colours (the u is mandatory). :)
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!

2:06 PM
I can provide any detail you need :)
And I can upvote Christmas trees :)

@cjorssen Did you try to convert with acrobat?
I mean: rgb black should be easy to convert to cmyk black, right?

I don't have acrobat. The publishedr(I don't know the exact word) did some conversion but sometimes, the pattern was horrible.

@DavidCarlisle Wow, i first thought someone hacked this post, but it really is a christmas tree. +1 and falling on my knees.

In addition, I have tons of standalone figures with patterns. I feel more confortable running a little script on my tex files than relying on an other person doing some black magic with acrobat.

@Johannes_B I thought that was how you are supposed to write tikz. picture mode is much easier to read.

2:11 PM
@topskip That's true for black, but sometimes I used other cmjk colors.
@DavidCarlisle Upvoted :)

@DavidCarlisle Well, it's at least funnier to look at.
Or, more puzzling, to be precise

@topskip Basically, I'd like to understand how the whole pattern thing works in pdf. As far as I understand, a kind of pattern structure exists in pdf ? Can you confirm ?

@cjorssen I am not sure if tikz uses PDF patterns

@topskip Well, judging by the uncompressed pdf, I'd say that tikz relies on something like a pdf pattern structure.

2:27 PM
I would keep bugging the publisher if he can convert RGB to CMYK. I don't think the result would be worse than when I do it. Colors are very difficult to handle correctly and, when printed, are highly dependent on the type of paper used.

@topskip Is there any article or qeustion here at TeX.SX which sums up the important things to know (concerning RGB vs. CMYK) when publishing something?

@topskip Well, maybe it's wise for now. But, I think it is still a tikz issue. When giving cmyk option to xcolor, one should not get any rgb coded color in the produced pdf.

2:47 PM
@cjorssen Probably. I don't know much about patterns or tikz, so I can't comment. But I think it's worth a bugreport to tikz

3:37 PM
@all Can somebody help me out here and request an MWE, too? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/149329/…

3:48 PM
@Johannes_B The template he linked to used the reprint option to the document class, which enables two-column typesetting, so I added that. He wants to switch to one-column and back mid-document.

@TorbjørnT. thanks. But i really don't think it's my job to know what he wants.

@Johannes_B Agreed, just thought I'd make the example a bit better.

4:03 PM

@Johannes_B Just saw that (and upvoted, as I understand it that is what he's after).

4:56 PM
I have a foo.bib file and in my .tex file I have \bibliographystyle{plain} and \bibliography{foo}. I don't see the bibliography in my PDF. What am i doing wrong?

@MarkRichman Are you running Bibtex?

@MarkRichman Did you run latex, bibtex, latex, latex?

just xelatex

@MarkRichman Run BibTeX, then XeLaTeX twice

bibtex proposal.bib
I couldn't open file name proposal.bib.aux'

4:58 PM
@MarkRichman No, run BibTeX on your LaTeX file name without the .tex part
So e.g. bibtex proposal

ah!

@MarkRichman You run bibtex on the... well, what Joseph said. :)

@PauloCereda :-)

and its okay that i have no \citation yet?

bibtex on the .aux file run you should.

4:59 PM
@MarkRichman You need some \cite commands in your LaTeX file

ok i get a 'Bibliography' section in my PDF now.

@MarkRichman then the bibliography will be empty. But you can use \nocite{*} in your document

@MarkRichman If you have no citations you don't need bibtex ;-)

Empty the bibliography in your document will be.

what is \nocite supposed to do?
i just want to see what the bibliography will look like before i start placing citations

5:01 PM
@MarkRichman it puts all entries into your bibliography

Am I the only one talking Yoda-like? :)

well i did \nocite{*} just before \bibliographystyle and it had no effect

@PauloCereda Like that it seems.

woohoo

5:02 PM
:-)

I feel secure now.

@MarkRichman Did you then run BibTeX and XeLaTeX twice?

ah ha!
the trick, that was!
is there a makefile or something that can simplify all this?

@MarkRichman There are various script-based approaches

where can i find all the different bib styles? i don't like the plain one....too plain it is
is there a bib style that includes ISBN and will make clickable links to the amazon pages?

5:04 PM
@MarkRichman For clickable links, include the hyperref package.

@JosephWright It is strange. I could understand that a person giving many downvotes triggers a bot. However, the upvotes disappear as well and I get no feedback at all...

@MarkRichman But automatic ISBN->Amazon I'm not so sure about.

@tohecz I've raised your meta question in the mod-chat

i use hyperref, and this is my .bib file gist.github.com/mrichman/7894159

@JosephWright kool, thanks :)

5:06 PM
i already have the URLs in the bib file

@MarkRichman You could use package biblatex if you can.

@tohecz Is there a pattern here to who posted the answers?

@MarkRichman Meaning, not have to use bibtex you have.

@JosephWright well, most of them are posted by Adobe (whoever it is), so it's possible

fails, this does: \usepackage[backend=bibtex]{biblatex}

5:08 PM

@JosephWright Which actually, in a sense, shows a problem, because if it's the anti-serial-voting bot, it will very likely start removing serial upvotes, too, which is probably much more frowned upon.

@tohecz I think it is likely to be that as we had one user bulk-move the answers from last year

@JosephWright Ok, that's clearly a bug, and by no means a feature request ;)

Serial downvoters?! Do they exist?!

UGH ! Package biblatex Error: '\bibliographystyle' invalid.

5:12 PM
@PauloCereda Yes

@JosephWright :(

@PauloCereda however, there are cases when it's legitimate. As pointed out in what Joseph linked, voting on many posts of one person in one Q should not be considered as serial voting.

@tohecz Ah indeed.

@PauloCereda However, it was status-declined by Anna ... sometimes SE people don't think by their head IMHO :(

okay i got exactly what i want -- ISBNs and clickable URLs! thanks guys!!!

5:17 PM
@MarkRichman What was the solution?

any way to change the font of the URLs from monospace to sans serif?
usepackage[backend=bibtex]{biblatex} did the trick after the lather rinse repeat
and i had to put it before hyperref

@PauloCereda I remember when a dean of one Law facutly was deprived for selling the degrees, he started his own labour union and became it's head, because according to law, head of a labour union cannot be fired. In a sense, the system that he was corrupting was now protecting him. It's similar here: If a MF post multiple stupid answer, and people down-vote them all, their votes will get reverted, protecting the MF

@tohecz Oh my!

@PauloCereda However, they simply fired him. It was clear that if he went to a court, the court would say that the litera of the law is not more important than the intention of the law, and just keep him fired.

5:30 PM
@tohecz Any thoughts on a solution to the meta issue? At present, I'm thinking I have to zap the answers

@JosephWright zap? like delete them so that multiple people re-post them?

@tohecz Yes
With explanation, of course
Probably should go into the standard question text!

@JosephWright well, it doesn't sound like a good solution, but it is a solution. However, has Anna Lear seen the bug report yet? Maybe she knows ways to go. Let's wait for 2 days?

Last year we had problems with the very same thread, if I recall correctly.

has anyone seen the koma manual? is this a bug? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/149371/…

5:33 PM
@tohecz Fine
@PauloCereda Quite possibly: there was some bulk-movement then
@tohecz Probably I need @GraceNote to take a look as she deals with community stuff nowadays

@JosephWright Indeed. The first year I could not add more than two answers.
@JosephWright We could elect you to the Powers That Be. :)

@PauloCereda I have to agree with @tohecz that recycling ads is probably not what the aim is

@JosephWright Agreed. I thought of revamping all of them.

@JosephWright And as I said before, I had some ideas on changes of the ads, but I'm not a graphic to put them "in paper"

For fun, take popcorn to WebbApps election
> I believe in transparency. This is a huge benefit to the webapps community because no one running StackExchange embraces this value. Vote for the candidate with principles, and let's face it -- most of the other members of SE are perfectly content with this being nothing more than a perverse Jeffocracy.

5:36 PM
@JosephWright Why it comes with no cross-link?

@tohecz Mod-only perhaps. :)

@tohecz Best I can do is webapps.stackexchange.com/election: you can't link to candidates statements

@DavidCarlisle @Marco mentioned it's a bug. When a German tells you it's a bug, you better run. :)

@DavidCarlisle Yes. I tried floatpos=ssss without any errors :-).

@JosephWright how many mods do they need? I hope no more than two ;)

5:39 PM
@MarcoDaniel oh it's a snakeeeeeeee!
:)

@PauloCereda you can't see obviously, it's not a snakeeeeeeee, it's a ssssssssnake :)

@tohecz oopsie, I put the Kleene star in the wrong place. :)

@PauloCereda I wasn't sure, there's no bugs in my code so I'm not used to finding them

a minute of silence for this bad TCS joke...

@PauloCereda oh the Kleene star :) And what about the Kleene-Schutzenberger covering?

5:42 PM
@tohecz Oh my, timed devices! :)

@PauloCereda timed? do we speak about the sam K-S covering?

@tohecz we can't never be sure. <3

@MarcoDaniel That's not that surprising, you get no errors from \begin{figure}[ssss] either

@DavidCarlisle Oh no, there's the ss*nake again! :)

@MarcoDaniel It all depends on the weather in seattle how much error checking latex does

5:46 PM
@PauloCereda Grade: A+ now, but it's the 2nd attempt ;)

@tohecz For large values of 2. :)

@PauloCereda lol
btw, I'm screwed, it does not converge (ad my research)

I've left a comment on the ads thread: GraceNote will get notified so hopefully will take a look

@JosephWright ok, thanks :)

@DavidCarlisle It also happens with standard classes

6:20 PM
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I have heard a lot about mystyle.sty. I have following general queries. 1. What are the packages commonly used and included in mystyle.sty 2. Where is the mystyle.sty stored? 3. Can you provide me an example of mystyle sty which help format good headers and footers, help set pdf properties (metad...

This has all the essential properties of a troll.

@AlanMunn The tags are also a bit strange
@AlanMunn But maybe it really is just a confused user. We'll see about that.

Follow-up question: What does the foo package do?

@PauloCereda Wow, you really startled me here.

@Johannes_B Yes, it may be, especially since his/her other questions are mainly about LyX.

@PauloCereda I really thought the same user posted THIS exact question

6:25 PM
@Johannes_B :)

@PauloCereda Last time my heart was beating like that, i saw a toddler run towards a street.

@Johannes_B There could be a whole genre of such questions. "My machine doesn't have a <path-to-my-local-texmf>/texmf directory." and "Where can I find mybibliography. etc. :)

@Alan: do you know Mussum? :)

@AlanMunn ok, now i can laugh about it

6:30 PM
@PauloCereda Almost the same as \usepackage[baz]{bar} (notice the option).

@egreg Oh no! :) Package clash. :)

@AlanMunn Did this really happen?

@Johannes_B It was posted on alt.religion.kibology, so no. Since you may not have been around during the wild west years of the interwebs, here's the Wikipedia entry for that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibology

A great leader is gone. Meanwhile, Bieber without a single scratch.

@PauloCereda Oh come on, that's just mean.

6:34 PM
@AlanMunn Sorry. :)
But don't tell you have any of his songs in your iTunes library. :)

@PauloCereda Now if you want to lament the loss of Amy Winehouse in comparison to the Biebs, that's more reasonable.

@AlanMunn that's both unclear and opinion-based, IMHO :-/

@AlanMunn Fine with me. :) I miss Amy. :)

@PauloCereda what's iTunes? :p

@tohecz Which?

6:36 PM

@AlanMunn Well, subscribed to that group

@AlanMunn The one above: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/149382/… actually, you first posted it, as I realize now ;)

@tohecz Oh, ok. I wasn't sure if you were commenting on the Bieber comments.

@AlanMunn nothing about Bieber is unclear, and there's only one correct opinion, so nothing can be opinion-based ;)

@tohecz LOL I can't argue with that.

6:39 PM

@PauloCereda This is offensive on so many levels. :)

@AlanMunn I can't argue with that. :)

@tohecz tex.stackexchange.com/questions/149382/… Why did we both edit the title?
@tohecz forget to edit the title

@AlanMunn: I'll redeem myself: youtube.com/watch?v=gtbKm-BKinE :)

@Johannes_B I dunno, I actually forgot one tag change as well. I'll reedit

6:42 PM
@PauloCereda You have. And that font looks familiar.

@AlanMunn :)

I have to give a little talk on sunday on inputencoding and fontencoding. Better start working on that. See you guys soon.

@Johannes_B However, I'm very close to hitting the close button on that one
@Johannes_B see ya!

@tohecz i am not going to stop you ;-)

@Johannes_B I'll make a comment now and see what happens

6:48 PM
@Johannes_B yes that's what I mean. LaTeX does essentially no checks on the argument.

7:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle indeed. :-(

7:35 PM
@Johannes_B slide 1: use xetex and utf8, slide 2: talk over let's go to the pub.
7

@DavidCarlisle :)

8:20 PM
@StephanLehmke Worsts case? It is a vector for a complete computer takeover: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Acrobat#Security has a bit. decalage.info/file_formats_security/pdf has some more, and arstechnica.com/security/2013/02/… has a recent attack.

@DavidCarlisle I dunno, do as you guys think. IMHO it's an XY problem (he wants \raggedright just doesn't know that), therefore I think that closing as a duplicate is fine.

@tohecz well that's probably true but the difference between \newline \and \linebreak doesn't seem as well known as it could be and this is a good excuse as any to have an answer about that:-)

@DavidCarlisle However, the answer will not serve this purpose there, unless you change the question completely :-/

@tohecz perhaps, I wasn't planning to do that, I did put in one re-open vote but that was as far as I was planning to go:-)

@DavidCarlisle yeah, well, IMHO it's ridiculous, but since we have maybe hundreds of ridiculus (non)-duplicates, I'd say: whatever
btw: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/26737/… treats the same issue, in the same distance from the one we should have

9:15 PM
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In my answer to How to write a white paper for a non-academic. I mentioned that I know a true story -- example of such a situation with a "happy end". Now, it was requested that I relieve more information about this, which I originally didn't want to. What do I know: I know who are the authors, ...

@PauloCereda Differently from cricket, adverse weather conditions don't produce a draw in football.

@egreg I never saw that amount of snow!

@PauloCereda you mention snow? I want snow!

@PauloCereda In just a few minutes! Well, it happened some years ago also here: maybe three hours of snowing and everything was covered with ice because of cold wind. I went off my office at 6pm, and arrived home almost at 4am. When, around 2am it was announced that a train was six hours late, people cheered! There had been no train since 5pm.

@egreg Nor in the American version: mmqb.si.com/2013/12/09/…

9:28 PM
@AlanMunn I watched that game!

@PauloCereda You're more American than me.

@AlanMunn :)

@PauloCereda Which I guess isn't saying much...

@AlanMunn American footballers are tough people.

@AlanMunn "And he’s been shooting NFL games since 1986." Exchnage 9 and 8 and you're in Britain :)

9:33 PM
@egreg That's definitely true.
@tohecz Although the NFL has been in existence since 1922.

@AlanMunn well, my post was a sarcasm attempt, now I'm dubious if it was understandable :-/

@tohecz I did realize that you were joking.

@AlanMunn ok, good to hear that :)

10:06 PM
Please, don't you know whether one can include a forced line-break in a comment to a Q/A?

@tohecz You can't, basically. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/50444/…

@TorbjørnT. ok, and thanks. It seems that _____________________________________________________________________________________________` does the trick for me :)