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12:45 AM
@Scott Are all those changes going to just be software upgrades? Or will they be later versions?
 
1:15 AM
@Scott ...but when is eventually? I'm pretty sure the head of Sony said that they were focusing on the main stuff but the peripheries would come later...does anybody know when later is?
 
 
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2:33 AM
Well if you look at the playstation 3... it originally did not support 3D Blu-Ray. A system upgrade allowed it to. So it appears that's how Sony is approaching the PS4... releasing it WELL below where the PS3 currently it, in the hopes that people have "faith" that eventually the system will do as much (and more) than the PS3 currently does.
All I can say is that today, right now, my Playstation 4 will only accomplish 50% of the tasks my Playstation 3 does. The Playstation 3, while not as powerful a system, has MANY more features than the Playstation 4 currently does.
From the reading I've done, Microsoft did things right with the XBox One.
The XBox One does everything the XBox 360 does plus has new features. MS started with the 360 as a baseline then released a machine that goes above that.
Sony started with thePS3 as a baseline and fell EXCEPTIONALLY short of that baseline. As I posted, the PS4 is like a super powered, network capable PS2, that's all.
I'll be in a much better position to compare the PS4 and the XBox One next week when I have both systems. Right now all I can do is compare the PS4 to the PS3, and the PS3 wins hands-down when comparing features.
And FYI @JohnB @Matt_2.0 @Yisella the main site no longer has a way to tell when someone has pinged you in chat. That's not a good thing.
 
That's pretty disappointing hopefully the ps4 improvenents will be sooner rather than later though. Once it is fully equiped it should be a beast. It sounds like the xbox is just more 'finished' than the ps4. Oh and isn't the ps4 quite welcoming foe Indies now too
Perhaps by Christmas 2014 you will be happier with the ps4.
 
2:50 AM
Yeah I've always been a Playstation guy over an Xbox guy. LOVE my PS3 (actually own 2 I like them so much). But I was terribly disappointed in the PS4. It is fast and looks nice, but there are software issues I just really dislike. It will grow to be a great system, problem is I have no idea how long Sony will take to do that. The PS3 took 3-5 years.
 
@Scott hum. You're right.
fittingly, I didn't see that ping until I opened a chat page :)
 
You have to actually click the chat link to see if youv'e been pinged.
So... @Matt_2.0 @Matt_2.0 @Matt_2.0 @Matt_2.0 @JohnB @JohnB @JohnB
 
actually @Scott before I forget, I have a question about 3D blu rays and the PS3
 
shoot
 
1) will 3d blu rays work on a ps3
2) will they still work if I don't use a 3d tv with them
 
2:59 AM
yes. If you have a 3D tv and an HDMI connection
Don't know.... I can try.. give me 5 :)
 
oh snap, service with a smile!
that would be awesome
 
Okay.. sort of
Man of Steel 3D..... You get a message "This Blu-Ray 3D requires a Blu-Ray 3D player and a 3D Display. Your Blu-Ray player has not detected a 3D display. This may be due ot a connection or configuration issue. [OKAY]"
Click the OKAY button and the movie plays, but it's both halves of the 3D so it's split screen
 
hahhh
ok, thanks for testing!
 
On my 3D tv.. there's a message "A 3D signal has been detected. Switch to 3D display? Y N"
 
my TV is archaic, I won't even risk it
 
3:05 AM
So.. without a 3D tv.. the 3D blu-Rays aren't good. But Most also come witha standard Blu0ray and a regular DVD (Man of Steel Did) so you actually get all formats in one purchase. Those are the only ones I'll buy anymore
 
oh interesting
 
Yeah I've got 4 Discs in most 3D blu-Rays. So check.. the price is really close to standard Blu-Rays and I think all my 3D discs also have at least a regular Blu-Ray disc as well
so you could buy the 3D to future-proof
 
I don't buy physical media that often anymore, but I'm just thinking about getting a few favorites
also @Scott mind if I post on MSO about the chat notifications thing?
 
The ONLy physical media i Buy are 3D blu-rays. There's no digital comparison
Go ahead and post it :)
 
@scott can you ping me in 10 seconds
 
3:18 AM
10..... 9.... 8....... 7.....
6..... 5......4.......3......
2.....1.....@JohnB
 
thanks :D
 
did I count too fast? @JohnB
 
nope, perfect
I could set my watch by your counting
 
okay.. I'm out.. too much LCD glow today :)
 
makin screenshots...people love screenshots
 
3:20 AM
see ya!
 
haha, later!
 
@Scott That's not the case. You'll get a notification in your inbox for chat messages just like you would before - i.e. if you're not actually in chat to see the pings in real time.
Where "real time" is "within some small number of minutes".
 
Oh, well then I guess I never noticed a delay
thanks @Anna
 
np :)
 
3:55 AM
@AnnaLear I beg to differ. I'm getting no such notices using Chrome here.
 
want to test it? Apparently it takes 15-20 minutes
I can ping you, and you shall never return until you get a notification
(this is really just a ploy to get rid of you for good)
 
When I first noticed the lack of the notice, the Pings occurred over an hour before I noticed them. There are inbox notices if you click your inbox. Previously the ping simply showed in the nav bar so you knew about it. Currently the inbox doesn't highlight or have any other indicator that there's been a ping until you click on the inbox. That is the problem one must continually click the inbox icon to see if they've been pinged.
 
Plus you can't login in right now to chat from the ipad
 
4:59 AM
@Scott Okay, thanks :)
 
5:43 AM
@johnb I just learned how to create an image with pure php... The power!
 
@Scott tested further, it is a bug you are right: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/210072/216955
@Matt_2.0 now you can make one of those 2003-era forum signature images
 
Ha ha
You see ebooks about to hit beta?
 
oh nice
I'll be interested to see what questions are posted. I can honestly only come up with 1 question that I'd like to ask at this point, so no point in committing
I'll ask it on the public beta if it makes it that far
 
6:00 AM
It said you were committed I thought
 
I think I may have been but de-committed
 
 
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2:20 PM
Guys have I missed something in this question, I don't know what the end goal is in terms of the 'how to' graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/25295/…
 
2:31 PM
@JennaDesign thats a hard question and may lead more towards off topic because it is so broad
it almost seems like he is asking for a design solution.. we do have some duplicate questions on that fire should reference.
 
3:17 PM
Thanks @Matt_2.0 I wasn't sure if it was a question looking for design ideas or how to do a specific design...I thought I was missing something
 
@Jenna could you @ping me in a little bit so I can see if notifications are fixed
 
@JohnB what are you talking about?
@JennaDesign I think the question was but you just have to provide guidance and hope they take it with a grain of salt.
 
@Matt_2.0 the chat notifications were broken in the new top bar, they should be fixed now but I wanna test
so could you ping me in approximately 30 seconds after I leave the room?
 
dont want you hear anyway.
lol
 
I don't blame you! back later
 
3:21 PM
wait.. when did the 30 seconds start
@johnb echo echo.. is it Friday???
 
3:40 PM
@JohnB hello
 
Hi Folks!
 
sup man!
how have you been! Did you have a good turkey weekend?
 
Not too much, how was your Turkey day?
yeah I had a good one.
nice long relaxing weekend
 
spent way too much and the 4 day weekend wasnt long enough ;)
 
lol!
 
3:46 PM
you hear about the ice storm hitting tomorrow!
 
Yeah, we spent too much too
no
wha?
Come to think of it, it IS supposed to be in the 40's tomorrow here
 
@JohnB ping :)
 
supposed to get in the 20s here I think.. sucks, today its in the 60s and yesterday it was perfect in the 70s
 
yup same here, hi 50s yesterday was almost 70
 
supposed to snow friday, saturday, and sunday but they said it would be mostly ice..
so anyways what ya get black friday?
 
3:49 PM
Wow, today is Thursday already. WOOT!
 
@JennaDesign I think.. our fearless leader is gone =*|
and Ive had a red bull today... so Im happy =)
 
lol, I had coffee, so I'm good until about 12:30
 
my kid was sick all last night with a bad cough so I havent had any sleep
 
sorry to hear that man.
She ok?
 
ya.. thinks its the weather and appears to be some cold going around
 
3:53 PM
Yeah, cant keep them in a bubble that's for sure. I remember the days of my kids coming home from daycare with nasty stuff
 
hey you got any time when I can bend your ear in some php questions? ive looked for a few good forums but cant find any
 
one infects all the rest
sure man
 
@ckpepper02 I hate walking in to daycares
 
@Matt_2.0 - oh you're not kiddin.. Stinks and the air is always thick and humid..
 
@ckpepper02 tryin to do something similar to sed in linux but how do you output the data within a given point, such as id="3232" in this case the 3232?
@ckpepper02 they are like evil trolls with no sensor.. I hate walking into one and all the little eyes look at you.. come running and tell you exactly what is on their minds.. no sencorship!
 
3:57 PM
@Matt_2.0 - If you're just trying to print the result to screen, then it's something like echo $id;
 
ya ive seen that but im trying to echo it into an array with out id=" and ".
 
@Matt_2.0 - LOL yup freedom of expression at that age
so the id is a part of the array, or you are trying to add that value to the array?
 
trying to add the value into an array with the id=""
 
ok so if the array is already defined then $arrayname[] = $id; which will add the value of $id to the end of the array
 
oh that shadow question is a duplicate!
even uses the EXACT same image.. I knew I saw that somewhere
 
4:01 PM
argh, I always forget to check for dups
LOL no way!
 
i wonder if john broke GD.
well he did ask us to page GD @JohnB
wonder if @Scott is on...
lol
 
what do you mean broke GD? Whats wrong?
 
they changed to user profile and you cant ping, apparently anymore, anyone from chat.
 
i spend way to much time on stack
 
4:08 PM
lol
 
so i thought about making a deal with the devil... or work.. I told them I wanted to really dive into php, and their comeback was, awesome, we can get you all the resources you want but we expect you to automate or production and I will be given time at work to learn... tempting..
I think Jenna comes in and out because she is waiting for me to leave ;)
 
wow! that's good
LOL!!
I just changed my avatar... gonna log out for a sec
 
what made you choose that?
 
you can see it? I just see my old one
I made it in Maya
 
you can see it when you go to your master profile, but it wont update in chat for 24-48 hours
 
4:12 PM
Ah, ok
 
got an interesting book and wondered if you have read it before? amazon.com/Effortless-E-Commerce-MySQL-Voices-Matter-ebook/dp/…
 
No, never read that. You do rock some Amazon though don't you
 
oh yes.. for reasons id say outside of the chat
 
nuthin... How's the book?
 
seems interesting and even dives into sql fairly good.. could use some better typography layout instead of black and white
 
4:17 PM
So it's teaching you to create an ecommerce app from scratch?
 
yes
oh snap.. didnt know you were on LinkedIn
 
yup
Hardly use it, but I connect when there is a request usually.
 
ive done a few meets from there.
 
oh really?
Like met someone new?
 
like meetups for people in your field
mostly from groups Ive been asked to join
 
4:23 PM
Gotcha.
Yeah, never done that... spend most my time playing catch up with my work.
I like the new login bar at the top of the SE sites now..
 
it integrates profiles across multiple stacks better
 
4:44 PM
looks fixed to me, thanks Jenna and Matt
 
anytime
you get your electrical issue resolved?
 
no that will be a weekend project
I'm pretty sure I have a better understanding now though
 
lol
is there a way to read files in a zip archive with php other than to add it to the server and unpack it?
 
Looks like it, but I've never used it: php.net/manual/en/function.zip-read.php
 
I see the zip_open() function addressed a lot
 
 
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7:27 PM
Hey folks
how are you all?
 
hi
 
Are you still happy with your red bull buzz? :)
 
I can tell I am going to crash soon =/
so you're from Ireland..
 
oh, that is certainly not a pleasant feeling!
..Ireland, I am indeed.
 
that is one place I know Id like to go one day..
 
7:32 PM
It's a wet and windy land filled with leprechauns and deprived of potatoes :)
I would suggest coming in the summer time! Are you a country/city type of explorer?
 
beer... cant forget beer...
potatoes A??? Bet you have a lot of vodka manufactures?
@JennaDesign Ive done a fair amount of traveling.. best trip ive ever taken was France and the worst trip was the Bahamas
 
Well that goes without saying :) Actually not a lot of vodka but Jameson whiskey and of course Guinness are our big boys here, you can tour the storehouses and get a complimentary drink at the end.
 
saw an episode from Anthony Bourdan on Ireland and it seemed like a fun place
many social people I hear
 
Hmmm Ireland is like a less refined France but has some pretty scenery. This little country will never e the Bahamas :D Irish cities love tourists, as a nation we're particularly friendly, that stereotype I would agree with
the part that isn't mentioned is the higher charge on products for tourists
There are lots of street performers though and it's super cheap to hop across to other parts of Europe
Unless it were a week or so of a family holiday I would suggest doing Ireland as a quick trip while travelling elsewhere. It is good for families though as a stay here a while kind of thing
What about where you live Matt, good to visit?
 
7:56 PM
@JennaDesign I live in TN, wees country down here.. love southern style grease food..
 
 
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10:14 PM
@JohnB you notice how if you hover over a name it displays differently?
 
10:28 PM
@Matt_2.0 what counts as southern grease food, my knowledge is limited I can think of pretty much just chicken
 
deep fried corn; BBQ; corn bread; greens also known as turnip greens; Moonshine
some would consider BBQ a southern item depending on the rub or ingredients in the sauce
 
what in the world is moonshine? :O
 
O_O
back in the old days when Americans had what was called probation, basically it was illegal to drink anything, southerns would make their own alcohol from wheat known as mash
not it is legal to produce in some states
 
I wanted to put in my location to see what the site did, but we don't have zip codes in Ireland!
 
real shine is very bubbly and very strong proof. Many years ago I would buy some from someone and I would buy a new jar of cherries, dran the fluid and fill the jar with shine and eat them while playing poker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonshine
 
10:40 PM
HOLY! Did it help your poker skills?!
 
um not at all
 
:) the stuff looks delicious though
 
it will clear you, some consider it like paint thinner.. the true shine that is
 
apparently poitín is irelands moonshine
now that stuff is lethal!
Your moonshine looks like sweets though!
 
ha ha
I do have a bottle of absinthe from europe I brought back.
 
10:44 PM
I would avoid that until you have 0 responsibilities to fulfill, and certainly not have it when you've had red bull!
 
Im not drinking it..
its for the wild buddies that would come over and that I could bet they wouldnt drink it
 
Cunning plan, accompanied by a sense of self preservation. Nice!
 
oh my favorite, before I had kids, was I dont get drunk and serve a drink that tastes nothing like booze and tape the effect..
 
Hahaha actually though one of my favourite things now is the nights that I amn't drinking and get to remember all sorts for my friends to cringe about :D Yeah people like to think they are super drunk all the time though, it's interesting
I'm off for a while again - be back later :)
Let me know when you give yourfriends that drink, it'll make for a great story :D
 
later
 

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