English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

prime

11:00 AM

Is it possible to chat with someone personall, not in chat room? Is there any option here in stackexchange?

Matt Эллен

@prime depends on the context. it could be correct, yes.

prime

So he innuendoly said that my english is not good, is that ok too?

innuendly

Matt Эллен

if, for example, you had been giving a speech in English, and he said "You speak very good French", then I would call that an Oblique way of saying you speak poor English.

prime

How can i use the word innuendo there to express the same thing

Matt Эллен

@prime I'm not sure that innuendo has been made into and adjective or adverb

@prime You could say "He made some innuendo about my poor English speaking"

prime

11:03 AM

How can i express this in one word?

bunch of flowers = ? in one word

Matt Эллен

it's a bouquet

prime

That's right,

that is the word i was looking for

@MattЭллен, how can i chat with you personally? Is there any option here?

@Matt ^

Matt Эллен

@prime nope. no private chat. I'm also at work, so I don't have a way to private chat outside Stack Exchange.

chatting here is fine, though :)

ЯegDwight

@Alenanno I am the only original here.

prime

I was looking option here in stackexchange, not privately with yahoo or google or facebook

Anyway thanks @MattЭллен

Matt Эллен

11:09 AM

@prime no trouble :)

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight You're the original quote? :P

ЯegDwight

I am the original, period.

Matt Эллен

I'm the Victorian period

ЯegDwight

You are the Loserian period.

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight That does not make much sense. :P

ЯegDwight

11:13 AM

Feb 27 at 0:43, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

@SonicTheHedgehog No, no, no, no. Let me ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of this chat that said "Room in which Reg makes sense"? You know why you didn't see that sign? 'Cause it ain't there, 'cause making sense ain't my effing business, that's why!

That's a quote, BTW. And the original is mine. I think this wraps the issue all up.

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight You kind of... heavy inspired yourself to something. But I appreciate the inspiration source. :D

ЯegDwight

I am the source, and target, of all inspiration.

Matt Эллен

are you accusing Reg of plagiarism?

Jan 18 at 16:28, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MetaEd No plagiarism in this chat.

Alenanno

Not plagiarism, heavy inspiration. :P

Monica

Hello

prime

11:30 AM

What's the meaning of impertinent?

Post some sentences with it

ЯegDwight

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/impertinent

prime

Is it all about memorizing word meaning?

ЯegDwight

bnc.bl.uk/saraWeb.php?qy=impertinent&mysubmit=Go

prime

Is there any way to guess the meaning?

ЯegDwight

@prime of course there is. Look at the word.

Im + pertinent.

prime

11:34 AM

How would i guess the meaning of pertinent?

Alenanno

@Monica Hello!

ЯegDwight

By knowing some Latin or French or Spanish?

Monica

Hello, Alenanno

prime

I don't know Latin or Spanish or French

ЯegDwight

Or the English word "pertain"?

prime

11:35 AM

So now how can i guess the meaning of pertinent?

Monica

should the words sitting-room, dining-room be dashed?

ЯegDwight

Why would you want to guess?

There are dictionaries.

No need to guess.

prime

Searching each words in dictionary is cumbersome and painful

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight Or Italian. :P

ЯegDwight

@prime It's fast and accurate. Guessing is dumb and inaccurate.

Monica

11:36 AM

Do you use online dictionaries?

It's the quickest way

ЯegDwight

You can't guess the meaning of "bog" any more than you can that of "площадь"

Monica

You speak Russian?

prime

Please don't paste russian here.

ЯegDwight

@prime by the time you have typed "Searching each words in dictionary is cumbersome and painful" in this chat, you could have typed "pertinent" into Google seven or eight times.

@prime а это ещё почему?

prime

LOL, i'm searching in dict about pertinent

Monica

11:38 AM

Wait. where are you two from?

prime

pertinent means relevant

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight Ему не нравится Русский язык. :P

ЯegDwight

Monica

Вы что все по русски говорите?

prime

It's the English chat room

ЯegDwight

11:41 AM

@Alenanno русский. Со строчной буквы.

prime

Why are people typing other language like Russian ?

ЯegDwight

@Monica по-русски.

prime

Russian is impertinent here

ЯegDwight

@prime you said we should not talk russian here, so we talk Russian instead.

prime

So is Spanish or Italian or French

Alenanno

11:42 AM

@ЯegDwight I like to capitalize language names sometimes. :D

Monica

I like it when it is not dashed

;P

ЯegDwight

@prime Pourquoi ça ?

Alenanno

@Monica It should be, though.

ЯegDwight

@Monica it's not dashed.

A hyphen is not a dash.

prime

Give me a good ringtone

Which ringtone do you use?

Monica

11:43 AM

hyphen, yes

Я их путаю

:P

ЯegDwight

Дефис, тире.

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight good point lol

prime

Who is the admin for this room?

Please warn people not to paste other language here.

It's room for English

Monica

I won't write in Russian

anymore

Where are you from prime?

prime

Why/how does it matter here?

I'm from Greenland.

ЯegDwight

11:46 AM

English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer…

Not for the faint of heart or those easily triggered by Englis...

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Monica

No, it doesn't

:D

ЯegDwight

Monica

Don't say if you don't want to

ЯegDwight

REGDWIGHT! PLEASE STOP POSTING IN RUSSIAN!

Thank you, RegDwight! Will do.

Alenanno can still talk in Italian, though. And prime in Kalaallisut.

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight Bipolar disorder? :P

prime

11:48 AM

I have read this word meaning idiosyncrasy, but i can't remember it now

Monica

Is there a native speaker here?

ЯegDwight

@Monica sure. Of what?

Alenanno

@Monica We are all native speakers. Of something.

Monica

Of English

ЯegDwight

@prime idiocracy.

Monica

11:48 AM

:D

prime

I'm not native speaker

Monica

Yes, I gussed

ЯegDwight

@MattЭллен is a native speaker. As demonstrated by his name.

prime

Acting like an idiot?

Monica

guessed*

ЯegDwight

11:49 AM

@prime who? Where?

tchrist

@prime Jamás he visto ningún problema en escribiros mis cositas en lengua cristiana aquí, y no espero que nunca haya problema alguno con ello. De ahí que deberías callarte el hocico, chaval. Y además, no lo he copiado todo esto de otro sitio, sino lo he tecleado yo mismo en este momento.

prime

I'm prime. I'm from a prime-land

ЯegDwight

You asked for another word meaning "idiosyncrasy", and I suggested "idiocracy". Because the former is what the latter initially meant.

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A: Origin of "idiocracy"

Interestingly, the word already existed as far back as 1681, and originally meant: Peculiarity of constitution; that temperament, or state of constitution, which is peculiar to a person; idiosyncrasy. So it was basically an alternative form to "idiosyncrasy" and was just re-appropriat...

@tchrist es cierto.

Monica

How do you pronounce 27/I-1980?

ЯegDwight

Двадцать семь дробь и десятеричное дефис тысяча девятьсот восемьдесят.

Monica

11:52 AM

:D :D

Gigili

@tchrist Very well said.

Monica

Thank you but in English :D

Gigili

No :D in this chat.

ЯegDwight

Dvadtsat' sem' drob' i desyaterichnoye defis tysyacha devyatsot vosemdesyat.

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight дробь = /

?

ЯegDwight

11:53 AM

@Alenanno дробь is actually "fraction". But you use it when reading house numbers aloud and the like.

Monica

Seems like I have to wait for native speakers to come

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight Good to know! Спасибо. :)

tchrist

Everyone here is a native speaker.

ЯegDwight

Дробь is also lead shot.

prime

I'm not a native speaker

Monica

11:55 AM

Of different langauges

ЯegDwight

Basically it's from дробить, "split".

Alenanno

@ЯegDwight I don't think I've seen this verb before...

tchrist

Then you should probably specify which ones you are thinking to be waiting for, and perhaps to what purpose.

ЯegDwight

slovari.yandex.ru/~%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8/…

prime

@Alenanno, have you seen the word facile before?

Alenanno

11:56 AM

@prime In Italian yes. Or French.

tchrist

What a silly question!

ЯegDwight

In French, yes. Or Italian.

prime

Did anyone join the channel #English in irc freenode?

now

Is anyone in #English now?

ЯegDwight

No. Nobody. Also not now. Never.

Alenanno

Gotta go, catch y'all later.

prime

11:57 AM

Why not? What's wrong with #English

ЯegDwight

CUae's.

tchrist

IRC is so antemillennial it isn’t even worth the papertape it’s punched on.

prime

@Alenanno, Where are you going?

ЯegDwight

@prime I didn't say there was anything wrong.

Alenanno

@prime To save the day.

prime

11:58 AM

@tchrist, why?

@Alenanno, to save the day? what does that mean?

ЯegDwight

@tchrist it's postmillennial depending on which millenium you're talking about.

@prime idioms.thefreedictionary.com/save+the+day

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/save_the_day

tchrist

►

Which answers several pending questions succinctly enough.

ЯegDwight

Xblast time yet again! Not a single spare minute today...

tchrist

@Monica I don’t know what you might need ‘native speakers’ for that Reg cannot answer.

Monica

I don't really mind. Anyone is welcome to answer my questions

For example;Did you see Jane last night?
Yes, she was wearing/wore a very nice jacket.

tchrist

12:05 PM

Either.

Monica

my book says that past continous is correct

tchrist

Well, was wearing probably sounds better, but you could use the other one, too.

prime

It is facile to type here. Is it ok to use facile?

tchrist

@Monica It depends on the surrounding context.

@prime Only if you know what it means, which apparently, you do not.

Monica

In most cases there is no context :(

These sentences are taken from a textbook exercise

I think here it's the same

What did you do/were you doing at 2 o'clock this morning.

How fast did you drive/were you driving when police stopped you.

tchrist

12:07 PM

@prime It is disparaging in English.

@Monica That one has to be were driving.

@Monica That one could be either, depending on the context.

prime

So how to use facile?

tchrist

A. 1703 Beveridge Serm. xci. Wks. 1729 II. 126 ― All other acts of piety will be facile and easy to him.
1856 Froude Hist. Eng. I. 357 ― Having won, as he supposed, his facile victory.
1876 C. M. Davies Unorth. Lond. 250 ― The work appears facile.

1782 Mad. D’Arblay Diary 12 Aug., ― My father is all himself-gay, facile, and sweet.
1844 Disraeli Coningsby iii. v, ― Manners, though facile, sufficiently finished.
1876 Holland Sev. Oaks x. 134 ― He was positive, facile, amiable.

Monica

'Yesterday, she was walking/walked along the road when she met Jim.' I chose 'was walking'

tchrist

@Monica Yes, that indeed must be was walking.

1670 Milton Hist. Eng. Wks. 1738 II. 80 ― However he were facil to his Son, and seditious Nobles··yet his Queen he treated not the less honourably.
1851 Sir F. Palgrave Norm. & Eng. I. 297 ― The guilty sons were too happy to avail themselves of his facile tenderness.

1671 Milton P.R. i. 51 ― Adam and his facil consort Eve Lost Paradise.
1805 Foster Ess. ii. vi. 192 ― The tame security of facile friendly coincidence.

prime

@tchrist, how did you get these example for facile? Where did you take these from?

tchrist

12:10 PM

OED, natch.

Monica

And here 'It wasn't raining/didn't rain when I got up.' 'wasn't raining' is right

tchrist

1667 Milton P.L. iv. 967 ― Henceforth not to scorne The facil gates of hell too slightly barrd.

Matt Эллен

I wasn't reigning when I got up

tchrist

@Monica Whenever you have a second clause in the simple past like those you just listed, you need to put the first one in what you are calling the past continuous. Because it has to be a continuing action that is interrupted by a discrete event.

I was listening to the radio when the doorbell rang.

prime

@tchrist, Where did you get such reference with year?

tchrist

12:12 PM

BUT: I hadn’t yet eaten breakfast when the doorbell rang.

@prime I already told you.

Monica

I understand how to use the two tenses but I don't know how to explain when either can be used

prime

@tchrist, what is natch?

tchrist

@prime Am I dictionary?

Monica

My intuition helps a lot

prime

OED = oxford english dict, but what is natch?

tchrist

12:14 PM

@Monica What did you do at 2 o’clock when you were supposed to be working?

Matt Эллен

natch is short for naturally

tchrist

natch /nætʃ/, adv. Colloq. abbrev. of naturally adv. orig. U.S.

1945 in L. Shelly Jive Talk Dict. 15/1.
1946 Sun (Baltimore) 24 Sept. 3/3 (Advt.), ― Natch! Mom’s gettin’ both of us Hen self-starters··. Baltimore’s most popular ‘first shoes for babies’.
1953 New Yorker 10 Jan. 21/3 ― Their disapproving papa··inserted a dime, which, he said, would otherwise have gone to buy them a Coca-Cola··. Well, natch, this brought a twenty-dime return.
1957 P. Wildeblood Main Chance 132 ― ‘You don’t mean to say,’ she whispered tragically, ‘that we’re going to eat?’ ‘Why, natch. We’re going to have anoth…

Matt Эллен

I must be getting on with work. toodles for now!

prime

Why can't i see these reference? oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/facile

oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/facile

tchrist

I’m a programmer, not a dictionary.

@prime Because those are not the OED.

prime

12:16 PM

this is oed, oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/facile

tchrist

No it is not.

Nice try.

Try again.

The OED is here.

Monica

How do you pronounce 27/I-1980?

tchrist

Carefully.

prime

Where would i type that word in oed.com ?

tchrist

Twenty-seven slash eye nineteen eighty.

prime

12:18 PM

Do i have to register there?

Monica

eye?

tchrist

It was easier to type eye than to use IPA.

ЯegDwight

Well for some I looks like more of a leg.

tchrist

@prime You can type a word into the entry here.

@ЯegDwight For some you looks more like a reg than a leg.

prime

What's the meaning of this? It is facyle to scape out of the handes of the blyn

Monica

12:22 PM

tchrist, and this? 4/II-1936

ЯegDwight

Four slash Roman two hyphen nineteen thirty-six.

tchrist

@prime blynd, not blyn.

Monica

Thanks, but I asked tchrist

;P

ЯegDwight

Oh right.

I always ignore his name.

tchrist

What Reg said is perfectly fine.

ЯegDwight

12:26 PM

See, I have no idea who's said that because it's prefixed with a name I always ignore.

tchrist

@prime I am a programmer, not a dictionary.

ЯegDwight

Very slow self jinx. Aka déjà lu.

I have to go

Have fun.

Thanks and bye

12:28 PM

I repeat myself for the logic-impaired.

ЯegDwight

What about the logic-aupaired? Discrimination or what?

tchrist

Depends whether she has a work permit.

ЯegDwight

Wat is the different in work permit and worp Kermit?

tchrist

I can do this all the lay dong.

ЯegDwight

That's what he said. And then fell asleep.

Congrats on your Marshalism, BTW. Marshality. Marshallicity. Marshaliation. Marshalizing.

prime

12:32 PM

I could not resist so facile & moderate demand, so scribbled out another, omitting Sundry things.

tchrist

There were 101 flagged non-answers when I awoke this morning. Some had as many as 9 on them, too. Bill finally woke up and fixed them.

prime

What is facile here?

ЯegDwight

Earlier today some bozo actually asked, "how do I write ā in HTML". He literally wrote ā, on an HTML page, and asked how to write it, on an HTML page.

prime

What does facile mean here?

Can anyone answer

tchrist

0x100

U+0100

Oh wait that is uppercase.

Lowercase is U+0101.

ЯegDwight

12:33 PM

@tchrist I think that's the capi... ah screw it.

You're faster anyway.

tchrist

Of Assyria?

ЯegDwight

You will never know now!

Serves you right for being fast.

tchrist

There are only two kinds of people in the world.

The quick, and the dead.

ЯegDwight

The dead are not in the world.

The dead are not even are.

The dead are not.

tchrist

@prime If you came here looking for a facile explanation of why you should not use facile in normal discourse, you aren’t going to get it.

ЯegDwight

12:35 PM

Facile is a perfectly cromuntalizable word.

Read more closely.

Never!!!

Myopia becomes you.

As long as it's not Mianus...

tchrist

Speaking of.

Where is Cerb, anyway?

ЯegDwight

12:37 PM

He is "on a date".

If you know what I mean.

tchrist

Or under.

prime

What is the meaning of facile?

ЯegDwight

Blink blink nudge nudge.

prime

produced without effort or careful thought

tchrist

@prime You know, if you keep that up, something bad is likely to happen to you.

prime

12:37 PM

What does that mean?

tchrist

looks for the twit flag

ЯegDwight

Which part of "produced without effort or careful thought" is unfamiliar to you?

prime

@tchrist, what do you mean?

ЯegDwight

Just ignore tchrist and he will repay the favour.

prime

Can i post some sentences with facile here?

ЯegDwight

12:39 PM

To what end?

I think you posted one already.

prime

to understand the facile

Gigili

@ЯegDwight lkiolye defis?

prime

as it says, produced without effor = little effort?

ЯegDwight

Lkiolye?

prime

typing here needs little effort

ЯegDwight

12:40 PM

@prime without means without. Not with little.

prime

So can i say, typing here is facile

ЯegDwight

For some people it is.

prime

Is there anything in this world without effort?

ЯegDwight

Death.

tchrist

La donna è mobile.

prime

12:41 PM

So death is facile?

ЯegDwight

Sempre un amabile.

tchrist

looks for the twit flag again

ЯegDwight

@Gigili Lkiolye?

Gigili

@ЯegDwight Yes, I just made it up.

ЯegDwight

Is that Backwardsbelorussian?

@Gigili Ah, so it is Belorussian.

Gigili

12:42 PM

It's balrogian.

tchrist

˙uɐᴉssnɹoןəqspɹɐʍʞɔɐq sᴉ sᴉɥʇ ʻoИ

ЯegDwight

@tchrist ьлол.

prime

That can be achieved with little effort

oed.com/view/Entry/67455

ЯegDwight

I don't think Russian has an onset LK phoneme.

Or Belorussian, for that matter.

In fact I struggle to think of any language that does.

Perhaps Albanian or Basque.

Gigili

Don't struggle, it isn't worth it.

ЯegDwight

12:44 PM

That's loser talk.

Gigili

I speak ЯegDwight, yes.

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus Yes, people do die from mosquito bites: keranews.org/post/tarrant-reports-seventh-west-nile-death

ЯegDwight

People will die from anything. Stupid people.

tchrist

Polyphemus was blinded by no man.

ЯegDwight

How not very poly of him.

tchrist

12:51 PM

@prime Quando sarò morto, sarà tutto più facile.

ЯegDwight

0

A: App is misconfigured for Facebook login : Android Facebook integration issue

I did a toast for exceptions and found it throws a key mismatch exception today added the key in th FB app page and it works fine

Did he mean "test"?

tchrist

Possibly not.

ΜετάEd

Chin-chin! No exceptions!

ЯegDwight

Yeah I honestly don't know.

ΜετάEd

Pod stolom! No exceptions!

Here's mud in your eye! No exceptions!

ЯegDwight

12:52 PM

That's some advanced russky right there. Too bad @Monica is no longer here.

ΜετάEd

Long live no exceptions!

tchrist

You know how you can run various things looking for memory leaks, like fortify?

Maybe there is a toaster for exceptions.

I dunno.

ЯegDwight

Yes. Buy three tickets, win an exceptional toaster.

tchrist

6

Q: Toast does not display when used in catch block

I noticed that a toast isn't displayed when it's used inside a catch block. Does anyone know how to show toasts when catching exceptions? An Example: try { // try to open a file } catch (FileNotFoundException e) { Toast.makeText(this, R.string.txt_file_not_found, Toast.LENGTH_LONG); ...

ЯegDwight

WTF

It's even tagged with toast.

tchrist

12:53 PM

NFI

Tag wiki says “A small informational popup window used in GUIs, such as in Android apps.”.

ΜετάEd

developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/Toast.html

ЯegDwight

I can understand a toast being tagged with Jesus, but a question tagged with toast? That's too much.

@tchrist yeah I can invent things too.

ΜετάEd

"A toast notification is a message that pops up on the surface of the window. It only fills the amount of space required for the message and the user's current activity remains visible and interactive. The notification automatically fades in and out, and does not accept interaction events."

ЯegDwight

Oh Android. That explains it. Wouldn't happen on Nandroid or Orroid.

tchrist

Or Girloid.

ΜετάEd

12:55 PM

@ЯegDwight Now you're just being logical.

ЯegDwight

I'm Supertramp.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Gynoid.

tchrist