English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

12:00 AM

> #Worldle #114 1/6 (100%)
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https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

Robusto

1:27 AM

I wonder if any of you youngsters know who Kibo is/was.

I'm sure @tchrist does.

Cerberus

Not I.

Robusto

You had to be around at the dawn of the Internet Age.

Cerberus

1:43 AM

Alas.

tchrist

2:37 AM

@Robusto Of course.

Vikas

3:06 AM

> A pet peeve, pet aversion, or pet hate is a minor annoyance that an individual finds particularly irritating to them, to a greater degree than would be expected based on the experience of others.

Hmm.

> "If I have the belief that I can do it, I shall surely acquire the capacity to do it even if I may not have it at the beginning."

> - Mahatma Gandhi

@CowperKettle you might relate it more youtube.com/watch?v=D0DDQumaaCg

Cerberus

3:34 AM

Wishful thinking.

Xanne

5:39 AM

It is called rapeseed oil.

Vikas

8:06 AM

Le == The ?

I've seen it on memes

E.g. Le Putin be like:

LOL

Yes I mean same "Le"

M.A.R.

9:09 AM

@FaheemMitha scraped the bottom of the barrel

@CowperKettle The Persian empire, the Roman empire, Vikings, the Japanese empire

Vikas

10:41 AM

> A teenager in military-style clothing opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, in a shooting that authorities called a “hate crime and racially motivated violent extremism”, killing 10 people and wounding three others before surrendering to police on Saturday afternoon, authorities said.

Police officials said the 18-year-old, who is white, was wearing body armour and military-style clothing when he pulled up and started shooting at a Tops Friendly Market at about 2.30pm. The attack was streamed via a camera fixed to the man’s helmet.

Such a shame. Destroyed others as well as his own life.

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. No, that means something different. That one is dealing with the worst of the worst.

prosody-Gabe Vereable Context

11:02 AM

@CowperKettle Hm thank you for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleroterion. "Dow gave an overview & analysis of the discovered machines. Contrary to previous scholars, who translated kleroterion as "allotment room," Dow reasoned that kleroterion cannot be translated to mean "room," as Aristotle writes" ...I do not know if modern Jury Duty assignment is more er less "randomly selected" than that, I sadly fear if picking lottery numbers from a hat/stone, is better opsec/infosec than "Trusted Computing".

M.A.R.

12:11 PM

@Robusto Google tells me it's an Iranian online restaurant

@CowperKettle no wonder all the bad things in King's novels happen there

@Cerberus Earthsea

Robusto

And the mystery is revealed:

James Parry

James Parry (born July 13, 1967), commonly known by his nickname and username Kibo , is a Usenetter known for his sense of humor, various surrealist net pranks, an absurdly long signature, and a machine-assisted knack for "kibozing": joining any thread in which "kibo" was mentioned. His exploits have earned him a multitude of enthusiasts, who celebrate him as the head deity of the parody religion "Kibology", centered on the humor newsgroup alt.religion.kibology. == Background == James Parry grew up and lived in Scotia, New York. He showed early computing skills, such as being able to open up...

Mitch

12:39 PM

@CowperKettle it used to be called rapeseed oil but 'rape' is such a strong word (not taboo but still) that the marketers of the product in Canada started using the name 'canola oil' and that name has caught on'.

It'd be like if meat was called murder food.

Robusto

@Mitch You mean it's not?

Mitch

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil

@Robusto it 'is' murder food but it is called 'meat'

tchrist

@Mitch Sometimes you feel like a nut?

Mitch

@Vikas 'le' is the French 'the' so using it makes something look French and fancy. Hence the second photo of Putin in a French beret

@tchrist the nut doesn't fall far from the tree

tchrist

@Mitch No, le is merely one possible French "the" entre plusieurs, comme la et les.

@Mitch Old Hickory brands you murderer of the unborn when at Thanksgiving you crack open one of his nuts for it delectable meat.

Robusto

12:49 PM

The egg doesn't fall far from the hen.

tchrist

¡Huevón!

Robusto

Wave on, wave on.

Vikas

@Mitch Hmm. That is why memers also use it often.

To make memes fancy.

tchrist

Le mot même.

Suffit.

Robusto

@Vikas Harry Shearer beat them all to it.

tchrist

12:55 PM

Pour paraître chic.

And we're back to laying hens.

Vikas

@Robusto What is the show about?

Robusto

@Vikas You can see for yourself.

Vikas

There are many audio files.

Mitch

@Vikas not to make the -meme- fancy, but rather to make fun of the content by making it attempt to be fancy. That is, it is usually used sarcastically in memes

Robusto

Le Show

Le Show is a weekly syndicated public radio show hosted by satirist Harry Shearer. The program is a hodgepodge of satirical news commentary, music, and sketch comedy. Shearer, an impressionist known for his voice work on The Simpsons, writes the sketches and usually performs all the voices. == History == The show first aired on December 3, 1983, and ran under various titles for several months before Le Show at the suggestion of a long-time friend of the host. A satire of a popular marketing trend at the time to add "Le" to product names such as the Renault 5 which was heavily promoted in the US...

Mitch

1:02 PM

@vikad the name 'le show's is making fun of the pretension of sounding French

That show is mostly satire

Robusto

#Worldle #114 3/6 (100%)
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🟩🟩🟩🟩🟨↖️
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

I should've got that one right off. D'oh!

Vikas

@Mitch Ah. I imagined using "the" sarcastically.

@Mitch Ok. You made fun of my name BTW.

Mitch

@Vikas oh this use of 'le' is not exactly sarcastic. The meme is a list of candidates. The humor is that they are all thinly veiled variations on Putin, and sticking 'le' in front makes one French (not fancy just French)

@Vikas yes, usually

Vikas

@Robusto The left side boundary of map looks like a human face from side view.

Mitch

@Vikas I didnt mean to, typing on a phone, easy to miss keys

What was the result of the error?

Vikas

1:12 PM

@Mitch I would pronounce it as wicked! No other meaning btw.

Mitch

Oh haha

Vikas

Indian memers use Le often like this.

I also started using it. But I don't know fully why they use it.

Mitch

That's le weird

Vikas

Often used before "me"

Mitch

It's for a noun, so it's messing with grammar too

Vikas

1:14 PM

Yeah, often used before noun.

@Mitch I think Indians just copied from French memers.

Mitch

You wouldn't ever say 'the me' but if you're going to mix French... Why not

Vikas

But didn't know the full context.

the me == dummy

Mitch

@Vikas does French culture/language have a big influence in india?

Vikas

@Mitch I don't think so.

Mitch

@Vikas oh. I get it

I 🤔

Vikas

1:16 PM

@Mitch theMe == duMmy

Now?

Mitch

Yeah

Robusto

1:33 PM

@Vikas Maybe in Bizarro world.

@Vikas That dude is a bit old to be crying because his mom won't buy him something.

Bizarro World

The Bizarro World (also known as Htrae, which is "Earth" spelled backwards) is a fictional planet appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. Introduced in the early 1960s, Htrae is a cube-shaped planet, home to Bizarro and companions, all of whom were initially Bizarro versions of Superman, Lois Lane and their children. Later, other Bizarros were added. Among them was Batzarro, the World's Worst Detective. In popular culture, "Bizarro World" has come to mean a situation or setting which is weirdly inverted or opposite to expectations. == History == === Pre-Crisis === In the Bizarro...

Wordle 330 2/6

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Wow, I totally lucked out.

I don't know what prompted me to choose that word as my second guess, but hey, I ain't complaining.

Robusto

2:14 PM

Wordle (ES) #129 4/6

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https://wordle.danielfrg.com/

Vikas

2:36 PM

Fixed it 😅

But I can't relate it anyway. It's kids meme.

tchrist

2:49 PM

tchrist

3:06 PM

Looks like Russia wins again:

> ⁵¹⁄₆₀ Russians
⁴⁸⁄₆₀ Americans or Australians
³⁶⁄₆₀ Britons
²⁰⁄₆₀ Europeans

When you're tallying up and comparing how many speak only one language.

Out of each 60 people from that place: 51 vs 48 vs 36 vs 20.

Of the two maps, the first is the mean and the second the median languages spoken by residents thereof.

Looking only at the mean can distort or mislead badly enough that wrong conclusions are too easily reached.

Italy and Greece have the same mean but different medians.

No wonder Putin thinks anybody that speaks Russian is necessarily Russian in nationality.

And wherever they live is therefore part of Russia.

Faheem Mitha

4:06 PM

@Vikas I think they should leave Van Der Beek alone. But I guess people aren't concerned about common civility.

Admirably clear grammar explanation - ell.stackexchange.com/a/59416/1665

Though I suppose the point isn't that complicated in this case.

Vikas

5:18 PM

Faheem Mitha

6:03 PM

> The term "rape" derives from the Latin word for turnip, rapa or rapum, cognate with the Greek word rhapys.[8]

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapeseed#Etymology_and_taxonomy

Latin sure gets everywhere.

I forgot what cognate means. Essentially, it's the linguistic equivalent of sibling.

Also a Latin derivative.

Faheem Mitha

7:00 PM

Is this usage correct?

> Please switch off the A/C, lights, fan, and DSL router when you are absent from the room.

I've seen such constructions before, where a single definite article does extra duty for multiple objects. Does this construction have a name?

Cerberus

7:14 PM

@FaheemMitha Though not the rapacious kind. That is from a different Latin root.

@FaheemMitha It means having a common ancestor.

Could be siblings, cousins, parent-child, etc.

@FaheemMitha Looks good to me.

Just a case of ellipsis, I should think?

Mitch

7:41 PM

@FaheemMitha yes

@Robusto That is my azalea today

Also today is this:

My neigbor's ugly azalea

Cerberus

That figures.

Mitch

(which was of course the enviable one two weeks ago, when mine was simply a bland green.

(and of course I have nothing to do with the excellence or lack thereof or the scheduling of the having or lack of excellence)

I'm just sitting there rooting for a team that was engineered with money, bought from around the country to take advantage of misplaced patriotism.

Cerberus

7:56 PM

Your Azalea takes advantage of misplaced patriotism?

Mitch

@tchrist For the US, the avg is probably a little less than one.

@Cerberus Yes?

I think I heard it rooting for the Yankees, when we're a strong Red Sox family.

@tchrist I'd like to see it for Switzerland. Where did you find those stats?

The median map (the second one) follows my expectations, except I would have thought Spain is closer to 1 than 2.

Cerberus

Have they defined what it means to "speak" a language?

Mitch

@Cerberus They? The azaleas? They've made known a lot of things but defining what speech is seems to be asking of them something very specific which it'd be unlikely to ever discuss.

Cerberus

8:17 PM

Hah!

The makers of those maps.

Those statisticians.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Yes, that was my point. Though perhaps I was not explicit. Sorry. Apparently a group of 4 letters in a particular order is enough to trigger some kind of response. Regardless of the origin of those letters.

Cerberus

Hmm what response?

Faheem Mitha

This reminds me of the noise that commonly appears in English as "fuck". This used to be an unprintable word in English, but unfortunately we now see it all too frequently. But here's the thing. In Hindi it means shocked. E.g. फ़क हो जाना. Which transliterates as "fuk ho jana", and which translates "to be shocked".

Though it may be perhaps linguistically interesting that in both languages it represents a sort of extreme.

8 hours ago, by Mitch

@CowperKettle it used to be called rapeseed oil but 'rape' is such a strong word (not taboo but still) that the marketers of the product in Canada started using the name 'canola oil' and that name has caught on'.

Cerberus

@FaheemMitha Ahh haha, those crazy superstitious Americans.

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus Presumably you didn't see that when Mitch posted it earlier.

Cerberus

8:22 PM

I didn't!

Robusto

@Mitch Your azalea is laughing at your neighbor's.

@FaheemMitha The fuck you talkin' about?

Faheem Mitha

One can't help feeling that if the Romans had made their alphabet phonetic, a lot of trouble could have been avoided. Sigh. Missed opportunities.

Cerberus

They did!

Faheem Mitha

@Cerberus What?

Cerberus

What what?

Wot wot?

Robusto

8:31 PM

Smoke behind Santa Fe mountains.

Wind is from the north today, which means the fire is coming back towards us. But it would be heading back over already burned areas.

Mitch

@Robusto It seems a tad early in the season for this... is the implication that the summer will continue this way?

Robusto

@Mitch This is the hottest, driest, and windiest May I think we've ever had here.

All is forgiven if we get a decent monsoon come July. But if we don't ...

Mitch

@Robusto He's a little in your face like that. It's not like I can take him aside and privately give him advice on how to be polite. It's just like middle school. Everything is up for derision among these guys.

Robusto

Riotous flowers can hurt!

Mitch

@Robusto Do you get that sort of thing there at that time? I would have imagined July is like May there but moreso.

Robusto

8:41 PM

We had azaleas when we lived in the Boston area. They were hard to counsel, hard to school.

@Mitch June is generally the hottest month. July and August typically see the most moisture in the form of precipitation here.

Mitch

Just so you know, it's all eighties in New England this week, very unseasonal. I'm actually hoping for a traditionally disappointing June where it is rainy and cool for half the time (but also a heat wave). May is just wrong for the heat wave.

@Robusto They make their own way

And then you prune them back

Robusto

They hate that.

Mitch

I'm going to make an elephant and a giraffe and a Mickey mouse out of em

Robusto

They hate that too.

Mitch

serves em right

wit all their back talk and sass and general ornery disposition

Cerberus

8:45 PM

@Mitch What's disappointing about cool?

Mitch

Just last week I asked them if they want to go for a ride in the car and they jump down my throat with a 'go to hell' and 'eff you' and 'go eff yourself'

so harsh

@Cerberus just expectations. June = first month of summer, summer = pleasantly warm, cool != pleasanly warm, ergo cool = not expected.

Cerberus

I'd prefer a cool June over an average June.

Mitch

Sure. but cool -and- rainy at the beginning of the sumemr?

Robusto

Cerberus

@Mitch It's always rainy here!

I'll take rainy over hot.

But I'll take dry over rainy.

I'll take anything over hot.

Robusto

8:54 PM

There is a volcano near Seattle called Mt. Rainier. I kid you not. Some people pronounce it one way, but the cognoscenti pronounce it the way it fits the Seattle climate.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Is that the French spelling of German Rainer / Dutch Reinier?

Ah, it is.

And it is from Scandinavian Ragnar.

Pretty cool, I never knew that.

I always liked the name.

Robusto

Doesn't Monaco have a Prince Rainier? Or is that Liechtenstein?

One of those.

Rainier III, Prince of Monaco

Rainier III (Rainier Louis Henri Maxence Bertrand Grimaldi; 31 May 1923 – 6 April 2005) was Prince of Monaco from 1949 to his death in 2005. Rainier ruled the Principality of Monaco for almost 56 years, making him one of the longest-ruling monarchs in European history. Rainier was born at the Prince's Palace of Monaco, the only son of Prince Pierre and Princess Charlotte of Monaco. He was crucially responsible for the transformation of Monaco's economy, shifting from its traditional casino gambling base to its current status as a tax haven and cultural destination. The Prince also coordinated the...

Rainier than what, one wonders.

Cerberus

Voilà.

tchrist

9:14 PM

@Cerberus It's called conjunction reduction and is hardly the only such routine reduction in English and nearly every other language.

Cerberus

What you mean is asyndeton.

But the question was about the omission of the, not the conjunction.

tchrist

The X and the Y and the Z are what I was thinking of.

So ok.

We get infinite questions about customary reductions — and even answer a few of them now and again.

To be honest, I completely fail to understand why we get all those.

Cerberus

Hmm.

tchrist

People seem to think people have to repeat all the things all the time to be "grammatical". Perhaps these people are very young people or very unlettered people or very unlettered young people. Because these people need to read more and these people need to listen to language more, even in these people's own languages.

But sometimes it is very young native speakers. It is truly strange to me.

Cerberus

People would like for there to be a single word for every instance of everything.

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tchrist

9:21 PM

They're usually asking whether it's a mistake.

But sometimes they're asking for a term.

Regarding your dislike of "hot", I presume this is actually the very reasonable dislike of being uncomfortably warm.

Cerberus

One wonders whether their own language lacks ellipsis.

I should think any (Indo-European?) language has it.

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes, they're usually Asians.

Cerberus

@tchrist Indeed.

@tchrist A large part of Asia speaks Indo-European?

tchrist

Orientals?

Cerberus

The Near, Middle, or Far East?

tchrist

9:25 PM

@Cerberus One has different ideas of "hot" at the beach and the parlor.

@Cerberus I don't know what their problem is. It doesn't make any sense to me. I find it difficult to believe that any language requires mindless repetition.

And as I said, often this is from native speakers with a firm understanding of neither grammar, logic, nor rhetoric.

That's why I assume they must be very young.

I may presume too much.

Let me find you a discrete example or three.

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Q: Are there rules about using "that" to join two clauses?

He will understand that I was not joking. He will understand I was not joking. Which of the sentences is correct? Are there any specific rules about the use of "that" in the sentences I reported as example?

Cerberus

@tchrist I suppose it depends on what one has to do and where.

@tchrist And I.

tchrist

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Q: Is dropping the verb "was" an option?

Given the following examples: Yesterday, you mentioned thinking it was a good idea to go sailing. Last week, you thought it was appropriate to dress like a pirate. Can was be inferred and therefore omitted for the sake being succinct without loss of meaning? Yesterday, you me...

omissibility

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Q: Omission of "is" in "She thought the study of Latin a waste of time."

In The Elements of Style, the authors give this example: She thought the study of Latin a waste of time. I cannot understand why the verb is has been omitted. Should not this sentence be as: She thought the study of Latin is a waste of time.

grammaticality syntactic-analysis omissibility whiz-deletion predicate-frames

Cerberus

@tchrist This just an odd rule of English that you need to learn: conjunctions are not usually omitted in other languages.

tchrist

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Q: Is one preposition enough for multiple months?

A colleague of mine has written her thesis and requested me to read and correct its grammar. I have seen some sentences like The maximum deviation of the concentration values were obtained in the growing season, especially in May, in July, in August and in September. As you see there is one...

prepositions

Cerberus

@tchrist This one is not about ellipsis but about using the verb think with an object complement.

@tchrist Idem.

tchrist

9:32 PM

@Cerberus What, you can't use commas? I disbelieve.

Cerberus

@tchrist OK subordinating conjunctions.

tchrist

> I had beans, rice, and squash for lunch.

Cerberus

We cannot omit dat.

Mitch

@tchrist Lots of ELU questions have the feel that the answer is probably the same in their native language too.

Cerberus

@tchrist I think many people are just unsure of when ellipsis is possible.

Indeed, native speakers make mistakes with ellipsis, too.

Robusto

9:35 PM

But when native speakers do it, it doesn't sound like a mistake.

Cerberus

A mistake that doesn't sound like a mistake?

Robusto

What you may consider a mistake may simply be native-speaker shorthand.

There is plenty of room for omission of syntax in any language.

Cerberus

sigh.

When I say mistake, I mean mistake.

When I say mistake, I do not mean my own misjudgement.

Mitch

I've been hearing (noticing) a lot lately things like "Problem is we're going to have to fix that" or "Thing is we haven't thought of ...."

Dropping the article

totally natural

Cerberus

Yeah that's very informal.

Mitch

9:38 PM

but ain't in no grammar book

probably in CGEL

I don't have time to read that

Robusto

@Mitch What you hear a lot is constructions like "Problem is, is that ..."

Mitch

the double 'is'

Robusto

Yeah.

Mitch

which ain't wrong exactly

but

Robusto

Well, it omits a lot of syntax in order to be right.

> [What the] problem is, is that ...

Mitch

9:39 PM

wait... what's being omitted?

oh

or "The problem is that..."

Robusto

Yes. But that is a different statement.

Mitch

but just because there are alternates that sound really close in meaning doesn't mean there is a transformation.

it could be an alternate tree altogether

Cerberus

> She kept the money; the letter she buried in the forest, but it was found by a child just old enough to be curious about it and took it to her grandmother.

Mitch

Just tear up the letter. Problem solved

Cerberus

This type of mistake (it's very hard to do it on command and make it look natural!) is somewhat common among speakers of any (modern) language I know.

Mitch

9:41 PM

which mostake?

Robusto

@Cerberus Yes, that is a mistake.

It's a confusion of subject.

Cerberus

Oh, I didn't know it was a mistake.

Robusto

Wrong reference.

Cerberus

And this mistake is caused by ellipsis.

Mitch

the "and (missing pronoun) took it to her mother" ?

Cerberus

9:42 PM

Q. E. D.

(Jasper, where are you?)

Mitch

I know

Rib QED's enough for us in compensation

Robusto

But when you are listening to someone say such a thing, as opposed to reading it in a text, you tend to supply prepositions and nouns where you know they are missing.

We're very good at post-processing.

Cerberus

But the questions we get are often about how much can be omitted in ellipsis.

Mitch

@Robusto So is that 'wrong' or just ... cognitive... uh ... slippage?

Robusto

@Cerberus And the answer is: it depends.

Cerberus

9:44 PM

Also from native speakers writing in formulaic genres, I think, like academic papers.

People get insecure.

Mitch

@Cerberus probably language learners

C3's but still unsure

Cerberus

Also because young people are taught to be clear in their writing.

Mitch

jinx

also because young people are taught to fear being wrong

Cerberus

So they are afraid ellipsis might be perceived as less complete and less clear.

"I'm sure this is clear to you, but that is because you wrote it. To a reading, this might be unclear. So go over anything you wrote and make sure everything is clear and correct."

@Mitch Exactly.

Mitch

not that being wrong is ok

Cerberus

9:46 PM

@Mitch Also native speakers 'learning' to write academic papers, I think.

Mitch

@Cerberus yeah

Robusto

@Mitch When someone is speaking we go to great lengths to assume they are making sense. We supply missing information, and do all sorts of gyrations to make it make sense to us. And only when we throw up our hands and surrender to the feeling that what we are hearing is not communication do we decide what we are hearing is not worth the trouble to put on the full-court parse, at which point we ignore that person and their issues.

Mitch

they fear that they're tying their cummerbund and ascot the wrong way

If you're tying your cummerbund, you got more problems

Cerberus

Yeah shouldn't it have a clasp?

Mitch

@Robusto star that and write a book

Robusto

9:48 PM

@Mitch A cummerbund is meant to be an encumbrance.

Cerberus

I once used one to hide the fact that I couldn't close my trousers.

I was too fat.

Mitch

It's not a garter belt

maybe it holds back fire in the belly

Cerberus

So I used a rubber band between button and button hole.

Mitch

@Cerberus in one instance, or regularly

Cerberus

And the cummerband to cover it up.

Mitch

9:50 PM

@Cerberus like sansabelt!

Cerberus

@Mitch I think only once.

Mitch

I used rope once

Cerberus

@Mitch That I do not know.

@Mitch Smart.

How did you hide it?

Mitch

it's bants that don't need a belt, it has elastic in the waist band

very kitschy

Robusto

Bants?

Cerberus

9:51 PM

Hmm I may have one of those...

Sorry.

Mitch

@Cerberus you can wear anything with jeans

Cerberus

You didn't mind the rope's being visible?

Robusto

@Mitch Like a bathtub?

Mitch

"we go to great lengths to assume they are making sense." but we don't cut them off if they are not up to the fullest standards.

We knew an older woman in the neighborhood who was a great talker but seemed to re-establish the topic of conversation after every second sentence.

Hard to keep up.

every sentence was interesting and well-formed, but lots of sharp turns.

@Cerberus A strong combination of obliviousness and not caring helps

@Robusto only inside

inside the jeans

Cerberus

10:09 PM

Noted

> Two attendees near the entrance wore huge boas, which had shed piles of blue and yellow feathers on the floor. Several guests donned sunflower pins. And one woman paired blue socks with bright yellow sneakers. The E.U.’s signature blue and gold seemed interchangeable with Ukraine’s.

It suppose it does.

Cerberus

10:34 PM

> “Both sides are digging in, both sides are scrapping it out, both sides are shelling each other, and both sides are changing hands in terms of their control over towns and villages and areas every single day,” a senior U.S. defense official told reporters.

Look, a live example of a similar mistake.

Unless this is some use of change hands that I'm unfamiliar with.

Cerberus

11:09 PM

Opinion polling for the 2022 French legislative election

This page lists public opinion polls conducted for the 2022 French legislative election, which will held in two rounds on 12 and 19 June 2022. Unless otherwise noted, all polls listed below are compliant with the regulations of the national polling commission (Commission nationale des sondages) and utilize the quota method. == Graphical summary == == First round == == Second round seat projections == == See also == Opinion polling for the 2022 French presidential election Opinion polling for the 2019 European Parliament election Opinion polling for the 2017 French legislative election

Macron seems very likely to win a majority in parliament.

And the leftwing parties will probably get many more seats than Le Pen.

> Russia has probably suffered losses of a third of the ground combat force it committed to the invasion of Ukraine in February

washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/15/…

Imagine losing a third of your invasion army without conquering any larger cities but one.

Robusto

11:38 PM

@Cerberus That would be welcome news.

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