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Robusto
Robusto
12:27 AM
@Mitch It's open.
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
1:54 AM
@Robusto Excellent.. thanks. My crusade for exposing barely noticeable nuance that nobody cares about carries forward.
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
4:57 AM
> Down there where coal is dug is a sort of world apart which one can quite easily go through life without ever hearing about. Probably majority of people would even prefer not to hear about it.
Why is there no article before "majority of people"?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
It's sorta weird, but I think I can't judge it.
I'm much more comfortable with the versions with an article
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:12 AM
I recorded Umka yesterday on my ancient iPhone
There were not a lot of people in the bar, for fear of Omicron and monday.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:53 AM
This is a song translated from poems by Gintaras Patackas
Gintaras Patackas
Gintaras Patackas (g. 1951 m. liepos 18 d. Kaune) – Lietuvos poetas, vertėjas, prozininkas, dramaturgas. == Biografija == 1968 m. baigė Kauno 14-tą vidurinę mokyklą, 1973 m. Kauno politechnikos instituto Statybos fakultetą. 1973–1977 m. dirbo Žemės ūkio statybos projektavimo institute inžinieriumi, buvo korespondentas, žurnalo „Keturi vėjai“ ir „LitPoliinter“ redaktorius. Nuo 1987 m. Lietuvos rašytojų sąjungos narys. Tarptautinio P.E.N. centro Lietuvoje narys. Eilėraščius pradėjo skelbti 1972 m., pirmasis rinkinys „Atleisk už audrą“ pasirodė 1975 metais. Ankstyvieji G. Patacko eilėraščių rinkiniai...
Titled "The Death of the Liquor Bar"
The narrator in the song recalls his constant drinking in the bar, and how he drunk himself to delirium.
When he heard the voice of his mother calling from above, telling him to go home.
And in the refrain he asks mom to switch off the Prodigal Son software in his brain.
And mom turns off the Prodigal Son software in his brain.
And voila, the Liquor Bar breaks up into a heap of bricks, and he is free and sober.
Parable of the Prodigal Son
The Parable of the Prodigal Son (also known as the parable of the Two Brothers, Lost Son, Loving Father, or of the Forgiving Father) is one of the parables of Jesus in the Bible, appearing in Luke 15:11–32. Jesus shares the parable with his disciples, the Pharisees and others. In the story, a father has two sons. The younger son asks for his portion of inheritance from his father, who grants his son's request. This son, however, is prodigal (i.e., wasteful and extravagant), thus squandering his fortune and eventually becoming destitute. As consequence, he now must return home empty-handed and intend...
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
6:14 AM
*Then, not *When
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
9:41 AM
So warm. Minus 5°C
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
12:39 PM
@CowperKettle you're right,it should be "a majority". Without sounds really wrong to me.
 
 
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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
2:18 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer, link at beginning of answer, pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad asn for hostname in answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer, +1 more (261): She came in in a wheelchair‭ by Medimove India‭ on english.SE
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
3:00 PM
> He who is a "son" of a heretic is not a friend of Chist!
Hard to grasp.
Stencilled on the defensive wall encircling the 18th century monastery near my home.
The Novo-Tikhvinsky Monastery
It's a women monastery. Officially established in 1809, but in 1799 there were 15 female monks already
I mean nuns
Nuns from this monastery prepared food for Nicholas II and his family and servants, and carried it 4 km to the place where the retinue was imprisoned.
Four nuns were shot by the Soviets, and three later died in the GULAG camps
The monastery was reestablished in 1994
They operate a soup kitchen there.
I should start a page in the English Wikipedia about the monastery.
And upload some pics.
After all, I've run literally thousands of kilometers on the Monastery's cemetery, demolished by the Soviets.
They did not care to remove the bodies, and people now and then come across a bone or a skull right in the park.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
3:34 PM
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
4:56 PM
> Hence, the prerequisite for those who oppose him, or who need to counter his aims, is to show complete resolve and no weakness through forms of recognition or appeasement.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:18 PM
 
Robusto
Robusto
5:51 PM
> Tip: To properly troubleshoot, be sure to restart your PC rather than shutting it down and turning it back on. When you just shut down a PC running a modern version of Windows, “Fast Startup” mode puts the Windows kernel into hibernation so it can boot faster. Restarting a PC bypasses Fast Startup, forcing it to reinitialize the kernel. This can fix problems where the Windows kernel or hardware drivers are stuck in a bad state.
This is exactly the opposite of what I have come to expect from a computer over the past 40 years. Why, Microsoft?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
6:36 PM
Perhaps because the fast startup is most useful in a situation which comes up often?
Shutting down then starting up is something most people do often, whereas restarting few people do often.
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:06 PM
@Cerberus Restarting sounds like it should be 'shut down then startup, without having to wait around to press a button'
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:21 PM
Cripes I didn't come here to comment on the almost inerrant pattern of Windows, whenever there is a design choice to be made, choosing the one that is the most annoying.
But I did come here to be annoying with off-topically on-topic content!
(it's sorta of already in a wikipedia page or two, but yay OED!)
International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects
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Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, it is weird that there should be any difference at all.
But I think what I mentioned above might be Microsoft's reason.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus A not unreasonable inference.
But I would think that...
well
really I have no thoughts at all.
my mind is a blank
or rather full of inconsequential thoughts
like
mmm...oreos
I read a book by...
stop me if I've told this already...
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:38 PM
Do you like Oreos?
 
Mitch
Mitch
by someone who had had a stroke...
and
@Cerberus Yeah
and
well the book was written a year or two afterwards, so lots of time to recuperate
the person was in their 30's so the stroke was unexpected (not like it ever really is)
and of the great description of their experience of going through the process...
they recounted how at one point they noticed that they had no thoughts at all, that their inner monolog was completely silent.
How, you might reasonably ask, were they able to remember such feelings given that they had destruction of brain tissue that presumably would have stored such a memory?
I think liberties were taken in recreating the experience.
Not fabrication, not exaggeration, just liberties, maybe a little interpolation, what must have been.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Why?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Interestingly enough the author was a lead neurologist at a research institute that collected brains for study. So the occurrence was a self-fulfilling accident?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Or how was she able to think that she had no thoughts?
@Mitch I think I have heard about this book.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Why do people like sunsets? Why do dogs like rolling down hills? Who's to say one's right or wrong? Leaving home we're living there still.
sends off to lyrics writers with attached royalty contract
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
7:46 PM
@Mitch It is basically made with the very cheapest ingredients possible.
Loads of sugar.
A bit of vanilla.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Because it tastes good?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And burned cocoa powder.
@Mitch I think you are in error!
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus OMG that's it! packaged sugar! They should just sell that.
@Cerberus mmmm
roasted you mean.
@Cerberus I'm beginning to doubt your connection to reality and am considering notifying the authorities for an 'intervention'.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Same thing, it just tastes like a cookie that failed because you forgot to take it out of the oven.
And you used the cheapest, most flavourless ingredients possible otherwise.
@Mitch I'd love to be intervened.
 
Mitch
Mitch
When I am king, saying no to oreos will be considered bad taste and you will be condemned to...
to... well... condemned to having the choice of not eating them.
If you don't eat yours, soneone else will get the chance.
I'm sorry but that's the way it'll have to be
draconian I know
Also you'll be in a labor camp.
@Cerberus exactly. that whole book must be made up out of whole cloth... or paper... or paper with a high cotton content so it is smooth and durable like cloth.
but a lot made up.
a neurologist friend said that
but it also depends on the kind of stroke, severity and location.
you can have situational memories that are distinct from linguistic memories
and if you had a language stroke that you build back up you might be able to report on the situational memory still
@Cerberus So what kind of cookie do you prefer to oreos then
 
Robusto
Robusto
7:53 PM
Boris Johnson pleads ignorance: “I’m absolutely categorical, nobody said to me, ‘This is an event that is against the rules,’” Johnson said Tuesday.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Oblivious
 
Robusto
Robusto
Nobody said it was wrong to shit in the punchbowl, either. Somehow everybody just knew that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Haha I liked the first part better.
@Mitch Basically anything that has flavourful dough and no burned flour or cocoa powder to fake flavour?
And no stupid filling like vanilla palm oil.
@Robusto Hilarious.
It has been known for many decades that this man has neither scruples nor ethics.
@Robusto I don't see why anyone should be fired for having sex with a fellow employee.
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:09 PM
@Cerberus And to stand out in politics, a career noted for its profound lack of those character traits, is somewhat breathtaking.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
As long as it doesn't really affect work.
@Robusto Quite.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus In the office?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto As long as there is no damage, and they don't spend too much time doing it during work hours, who cares?
Should be for for team spirit.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Heh. The humor is predicated on a point of view that is less liberal than yours.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I really don't think you could get fired for that here!
Perhaps if she were your boss, she could be fired.
Or vice versa.
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:12 PM
There's an American saying, "Don't shit where you eat."
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I didn't know you believed in coprophilia.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I never gave any evidence or indication that I do.
And if you think that's what the saying is about, then you misunderstand it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Aequating sex and faeces?
 
Robusto
Robusto
It's more metaphorical than an equation.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Or is it possible that I made a follow-up joke?
Consider that!
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:14 PM
It's possible. I will grant that.
But your joke grossed me out completely.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, the mysteries of human behaviour, eh?
So did your metaphor.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Nov 24 '21 at 2:42, by Robusto
Human beings are the worst.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Worst, best, who will be the judge?
 
Robusto
Robusto
Whatever replaces us on the evolutionary ladder.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Aww do you really have to be replaced?
No fun symbiosis?
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:18 PM
I dunno. That's above my pay grade.
@Cerberus I think homo sapiens will give way to whatever the Latin would be for "deliberately stupid man."
Homo stultus, perhaps?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Is that better or worse than AI?
@Robusto That would be appropriate.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I dunno. The jury's still out.
 
Rhinoceros Morris
Rhinoceros Morris
8:33 PM
hello
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hi.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:31 PM
@Cerberus Think of it this way. You'll be getting good exercise, working with nature.
Unfortunately, it may be in a coal mine, which, while still nature, is not extra out in the fresh air.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch But I am a city dog!
@Mitch I don't care about fresh air so much, so that's OK.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Hm.. I've never heard of an urban labor camp, they always seem to be way out in the countryside.
OK I'll consider it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
All those you visited?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Proximity to Starbuck's
and other conveniences
ease of commute
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't need to stinking low-quality multinational chains!
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:33 PM
but consider the pollution
Reasons for incarceration:
1) dislikes oreos
2) dislikes fresh air
3) hates happiness in others.
@Cerberus so you're kinda saying all cookies -except- oreos
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Who says I hate happiness in others!
As long as they suffer, it's all the same to me.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It can upset others... like if one of the people having sex is using it to get promoted above other more qualified candidates.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Hardly!
Many supermarket cookies are meh.
 
Mitch
Mitch
name one.
by name
not commercial name but recipe name
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, absolutely: when it somehow disrupts work relations, then it becomes a problem.
Then you can e.g. move someone to a different position.
But that was not the case here.
@Mitch It was he and the cleaner.
@Mitch One what?
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:39 PM
@Cerberus and also there is hidden coercion. prevent the sex and that might prevent coercion.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch That is why you shouldn't have sex with anyone you have any power over, such as your student or your underling when you're his boss.
 
Mitch
Mitch
if it's not those terrible situations, like employees at the same level of authority then yeah it seems like what is everybody's problem let them do what they want if they're not bothering anybody.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But office clerk and cleaner, or two colleagues on the same level, that may cause issues, but it is not forbidden in any way.
@Mitch Exactly.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus That seems like a very large power imbalance, potential for abuse.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch An office clerk should have no power over a cleaner, who is hired by the boss.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:41 PM
@Cerberus It worked out OK for Dostoyevsky
well his second wife
but frankly I don't know what she would have said
long Russian sigh "But at least I got paid"
@Cerberus But maybe all the other clerks are jealous, they want the same perks of the job.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Hmm I don't remember, what happened?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus name a type of cookie you like
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Minor issues always surface in offices. That is not reason to fire someone preventatively.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I think he married his note taker.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Florentines?
I like so many cookies.
Of many I wouldn't know the English names, if they even have them.
@Mitch Hmm, well, such things happen.
A relative of my friend's married his housekeeper.
They had a happy marriage.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:46 PM
@Cerberus I've never been in an office where I was aware anything was going on so I don't even have second hand experience, but I suspect that if some preventative measures aren't taken, things get... messy.
and affects business
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And their son became what's probably the only constructor with an upper-class accent in the region.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus oh those are good.
maybe too good
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Things are always going on.
And minor issues always arise.
Luckily, those things usually don't really affect work, so we don't care or don't know about them.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus but break ups occur and then, to mix multiple metaphors, the fur may fly
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch True.
Then again, serious social problems may also arise in the office for other reasons.
That's no reason to fire someone preventatively.
Here, I do not think any judge would allow that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:48 PM
and that affects work which affects profits which tells the owner to tell the VP to tell the manager you gotta fire them now before the shareholders scream.
@Cerberus also, it's pretty hard these days to meet someone in person -and- get to know them entirely outside of work.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, especially in places with a, shall we say, strong work ethic?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It doesn't make sense to me either but it seems to be a big deal here.
> As a California employee, you cannot be fired solely because you are dating a co-worker. While employers are permitted to implement anti-fraternization policies in the workplace, your employer's control over your off-the-clock life should be limited.
separately:
> Employers are allowed to fire you for interfering with work, for supervisors dating subordinates, and for making your romance a distraction in the workplace.
'distraction' is broad
But this is all progress from 50 years ago where if you hinted that you might get pregnant, you could be fired.
@Cerberus or 9-5 office work
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Hmm on the one hand, it's easy to fire someone in America, isn't it?
 
Mitch
Mitch
maybe going to church often purely for 'mingling' opportunities is an advantage
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
On the other, perhaps it is some vestige of American puritanism?
@Mitch Yes, this makes perfect sense, except that I feel the 'distraction' ought to be be quite serious, as you say.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:56 PM
@Cerberus what is it called 'at-will work' both sides can terminate pretty abruptly with little notice and no reason
(but that's actually more power in the hands of the employer usually)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Here, you'd often be fired upon marriage, I think even in the sixties.
Only if you were female, of course...
Romantics and pessimists should never forget the tremendous progress that we have made even in a couple of decades.
@Mitch That is probably the case in most states?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I think American Puritanism (and American Colonialism, if you'll allow me the strained comparison), are huge stretches of those terms.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
How about the one in which this series supposedly took place?
 
Mitch
Mitch
So sure the very first colonists, the pilgrims, were very uptight, and the Puritans were also more in power in some parts of the northeast (maybe just Boston), but the rest weren't.
@Cerberus a break up can be -very- distracting. Not just cause for gossip but more for disruption of working together, getting work done.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch America is still quite a Puritan society compared with other European countries/colonies!
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:02 PM
as usual I'm just guessing, all I know about office scandal I get from commercials for Shonda Rhimes series
haha she actually has a series titled 'Scandal'
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, but so can e.g. a fight between Platonic colleagues.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus "I read that as you'd often be fired upon"
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Or a loud eater.
@Mitch Heh.
Probably not, but who knows?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus compare it to the rest of the world.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch No!
I'll compare it with whatever I like.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:04 PM
@Cerberus I mean on the 'uptightness' scale
which you can define however you want
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Sure, it is less uptight than perhaps most non-European countries.
 
Mitch
Mitch
so it seems I'm giving you a lot of leeway in your argument setup
Does Puritan = uptight?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But this is not some odd theory: it is a well known fact.
 
Mitch
Mitch
is that our definition at the moment?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It means reacting with shock to anything remotely sexual, or not even sexual but about (semi-)nakedness.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:07 PM
@Cerberus I totally discredit that theory.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Facebook deleting pictures of naked breasts.
Or even drawings.
Etc. etc.
@Mitch It is no theory, so that's fine.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus That's a pretty narrow definition. Facebook is not the US...
um...
arguably not the US
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Look, read basically anything about the subject.
I'm not going to defend the fact that the world is round.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I think 'American Puritanism' is an exaggerated meme that has only gained force not in reality but by repetition.
@Cerberus I don't have all day here (it's not by the way, it's an irregular oblate spheroid)
@Cerberus any recommendations?
which I will immediately and easily be able to tear down because of lack of reality
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that, let's say, some Americans have an exaggerated reaction to nudity and sexuality, it is like saying the world isn't round.
It's super obvious and well documented.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:15 PM
That's somewhat taken out of context; it's talking about religious puritanism, not this vague pearl-clutching about nudity kind of Puritanism
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I have given a few examples.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Facebook is one... others?
and there needs to be a lot of other things in addition to just nudity to convince me.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
All other American websites and media?
No boobs, no swearing.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Sure American's have on the whole a large percentage of reported religiosity and likewise anathema to stated atheism than Europeans as a whole.
@Cerberus uh...there's lots of swearing and boobs in movies, also lots of porn production.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch But not on national television or on anything that is accessible to anyone, like Facebook or newspaper sites, right?
Gewoon Bloot is a television programme in which ordinary, fully naked adults take place on a stage, and children are the audience. They ask questions about people's bodies and stuff.
Do you think this would be possible on national television in America? The penes and vaginae are not covered.
Or do you think the adults would perhaps be prosecuted?
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:27 PM
The whole 'American Puritanism' myth was started by de Tocqueville who has an inebriated libertine fabricator, widely know for his outlandish whole-cloth-created poor-man's sociology.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Certainly not.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
When children send naked pictures of themselves to others in America, let's say someone of a somewhat similar age, they or the recipients could be prosecuted, couldn't they?
@Robusto Right.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus No because the Dutch are a bunch of weirdos
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Sadly, yes, in some states.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Do some women uncover their breasts on regular beaches in America? Just curious.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:29 PM
@Cerberus They're covered in that picture.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch See, you think it's weird. That's exactly the cultural thing I meant.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Only on designated "nudist" beaches.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, because it is meant to survive American censorship online, or the programme couldn't advertise.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Sometimes a nursing mother will be given shit about "indecent exposure" ...
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Here, I think men are only naked on nude beaches, but some women uncover their breasts on regular beaches.
 
Robusto
Robusto
10:30 PM
If there is anything more natural and wholesome than a mother nursing her infant, I can't think of it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Heh, poor women, poor child.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Oreos
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That attitude is changing somewhat, perhaps?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus somewhat
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Are children under, say, 10, normally allowed to play at the beach naked?
 
Robusto
Robusto
10:31 PM
@Mitch I think you should be double stuffed.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus They used to, but people are becoming more uptight about it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Do team mates generally shower naked together?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Sassy!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And people in gyms?
Here, many do.
I have to admit I'm a bit of a prude myself...
So I don't.
@Mitch Huh, more than in the past?
Odd.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus They used to (at least when I was a kid). But I have no idea if it has changed
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:33 PM
OK.
Do parents walk around the house naked in front of their children?
 
Mitch
Mitch
but sure, nudity in public is much rarer in the US than in Europe.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Right.
And sex is also more taboo, isn't it?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Yes. People have less sex in the US, sure.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Sex before marriage, homosexuality, abortion, contraceptives: I think those are more of an issue there than here, aren't they?
@Mitch Now that I do not believe!
 
Mitch
Mitch
We all look longingly across the Atlantic wondering what we're all missing.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:35 PM
Again, I am rather a prude myself, so I can sympathise, to a degree...
I'll look longingly back, then.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus We're just talking, but if you specify 'Puritanism' down to anything that can be measured (as opposed to saying there are not enough boobs ir swearing in American movies) you'd find that the US is nowhere near as extreme in many of the measures as the rest of the world. and higher than some Euro countries, even the most liberal of West European ones.
@Cerberus Just look out the window, I'm sure there are boobs all over there.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch What do you mean by higher?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It's talked about quite a lot. Wait... sex before marriage hasn't been an issue since the 70's
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Of course America is a Western country, or, rather, one in the European cultural sphere (so as not to exclude Latin American), so it is less prudish than most poorer countries.
@Mitch In sex shops, yes.
 
Mitch
Mitch
homosexuality... we're on par with (western) Europe with legalization and antidiscrimination laws
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:40 PM
Would sex shops be allowed to display materials with naked people in their windows?
 
Mitch
Mitch
yes there's problems with abortion laws right now
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I believe prostitution isn't allowed at all in America, let alone in public?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus more liberal
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, but only recently.
Twenty years after Holland?
 
Mitch
Mitch
(if that is what you want use to define Puritanism
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:42 PM
@Mitch Can you think of anything related to sex or nudity in which America is more liberal than Western Europe?
Maybe there are some things.
But the overall pictures is clear enough, isn't it?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Well, don't forget there are different laws in different states. New York City, for example, hasn't had an issue with gays since the Stonewall riots in 1969.
Stonewall riots
The Stonewall riots (also known as the Stonewall uprising, Stonewall rebellion, or simply Stonewall) were a series of demonstrations by members of the gay community in response to a police raid that began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York City, New York, United States of America. Patrons of the Stonewall, other Village lesbian and gay bars, and neighborhood street people fought back when the police became violent. The riots are widely considered a watershed event that transformed the gay liberation movement and the...
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Times Square in the 70's was all sex shops. But the Puritanical overlords replaced them with Starbuck's and Hard Rock Cafe's
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Yes, indeed, the differences are great.
@Mitch Can sex shops display pictures of naked women in their windows?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus probably not. prostitution isn't entirely an accepted thing in Europe either though
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But much more so on average than in America, isn't it?
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:46 PM
@Cerberus you can compare individually (also the Netherlands is a well-known outlier in liberality in (socially) liberal Europe) and you can find how the US will be more Puritanical than -some- other European country.
So why don't you call all poor countries 'Puritanical'?
 
Xanne
Xanne
California’s best nude beaches.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Porn?
Maybe Germany or Czechia out do us?
@Cerberus Can you do that all over Europe?
@Cerberus Yes, I'd grant you that.
I'd grant you that yes, by whatever measure Puritanical, US is towards the more puritanical than most European countries.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Than the large majority of Western European countries.
But, yes, per subject there is also variant in Europe, of course.
It's just that, on average, on most subjects, nudity and sex are more taboo.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus The red color is for sunburn.
get it
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Porn? That is legal in most Western countries?
@Mitch I don't know.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:52 PM
see it's a health measure to prevent sunburn is sensitive places
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Phew!
 
Mitch
Mitch
the sensitive place being
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Ah, OK.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Russia and China
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yeah I hate sunbathing.
It's carcinogenic for real.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:54 PM
@Cerberus I have a hard time reconciling that being out in the sun is 'healthy' and the science that UV-B is ionizing radiation and any amount of sun is supposedly bad for you.
Maybe that's a white person thing?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
 
Mitch
Mitch
tanning beds are basically like smoking but for your skin
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yeah, they cannot be reconciled.
Except that some exposure is good for producing enough vitamin D.
I think, the darker your skin, the more exposure you need for vitamin D!
 

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