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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
1:45 AM
The tennis court where the French Revolution started.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
2:30 AM
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
4:36 AM
> A Florida man pulled a gun on a drive-thru worker because she forgot the cream cheese with his bagel. The 23-year-old employee happened to be the daughter of the Miami Gardens police chief.
Celebration, Florida
Celebration is a census-designated place (CDP) and a master-planned community in Osceola County, Florida, United States, located near Walt Disney World Resort and originally developed by The Walt Disney Company. The town, whose population was 7,427 at the 2010 census, is part of the Orlando–Kissimmee Metropolitan Statistical Area.After founding Celebration, Disney followed its plans to divest most of its control of the town. Several Disney business units continue to occupy the town's office buildings. Walt Disney World operates two utility companies, Smart City Telecom and Reedy Creek Energy Services...
Oh. Celebration, Florida is a real place, it turns out.
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
6:16 AM
 
 
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M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:16 AM
@Cerberus Well, frankly, there's of course circumstantial evidence that this was a masquerade, when no major players were approved as candidates, even 'hardliner' conservatives, but I haven't seen any good evidence about any election fraud (of course, they might be out there). So I won't buy allegations of election fraud and made up numbers, but thanks to US propaganda they're a pretty common set of rumors among the youth.
And anyway, I do think that we have a pretty heterogenous population when it comes to voting, and lots of people do precisely as they're told, even when they would admit the government is full of shit. (They would say "the government is corrupt, the regime is good or at least redeemable") People I would meet on online chats are likely to be young, avid BBC watchers, and pretty much against voting, but they're not a representative sample, I don't think.
So I have no cause not to believe the numbers, and Raisi ran for president last time and lost too, so yeah
Obviously it doesn't have to mean they're honest, just that they would want to convince themselves they value people or whatever.
I think the voters have decreased quite a bit anyway.
@Mitch well, let's see what happens. I think one thing's for sure and that's more of the same barks and bared teeth at America. Though maybe about everything else, his people would work extra hard to clean up the messes he would make so he'd have a not-too-disastrous approval rating for when he ascends the throne
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
10:46 AM
گوش کن
خاموش ها گویاترند
در خموشی های من فریادهاست...
فریدون مشیری
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
10:57 AM
Putin's former Eminense Grise said that Putin is Russia's Octavian, and people started making memes
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
11:27 AM
> By applying localization image reconstruction algorithms3 to peak positions in high-speed AFM and conventional AFM data, we increase the resolution beyond the limits set by the tip radius, and resolve single amino acid residues on soft protein surfaces in native and dynamic conditions.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
11:43 AM
"Down with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union". Soviet punks sitting on a tank in central Moscow during the failed coup in August 1991
Goes to prove that punks were never the brightest tool in the shed.
Famous Russian rock musician Alexander Bashlachev killed himself in 1988 aged 27
His son killed himself today, aged just 32.
Depression sometimes runs in families.
I remember translating that case report about a talented young man who constantly wanted to kill himself, and it turned out that he had a rare form of BH4 deficiency.
I still haven't managed to create an article in the Russian Wikipedia about this form of BH4 deficiency. I recall it now and then, and think "I should do it"
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
1:57 PM
The next week in Moscow will be the warmest-ever, breaking the records of 1901. tvrain.ru/news/…
Two men got drunk in Novosibirsk, and one took a knife and cut out a varicose vein in the other's leg. The operation ended in death due to profuse bleeding.
Surgery is a risky profession.
Maybe that was how surgery started in the first place. Two cavemen got drunk, and one decided to fix some issue surgically.
Vein stripping
Vein stripping is a surgical procedure done under general or local anaesthetic to aid in the treatment of varicose veins and other manifestations of chronic venous disease. The vein "stripped" (pulled out from under the skin using minimal incisions) is usually the great saphenous vein. The surgery involves making incisions (usually the groin and medial thigh), followed by insertion of a special metal or plastic wire into the vein. The vein is attached to the wire and then pulled out from the body. The incisions are stitched up and pressure dressings are often applied to the area.An overnight hospital...
Hm. It's not clear from the article what is done to replace the circulation lost due to the stripping.
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:35 PM
@CowperKettle with the term 'stripping' that sounds really awful. Like stripping paint
But the saphenous vein was the one usually used to replace blocked coronary arteries after heart attacks
I think they more often use nowadays the... It's one in the pectoral area! The 'mammary' vein?
Coronary artery bypass surgery
Coronary artery bypass surgery, also known as coronary artery bypass graft (CABG, pronounced "cabbage") surgery, and colloquially heart bypass or bypass surgery, is a surgical procedure to restore normal blood flow to an obstructed coronary artery. A normal coronary artery transports blood to the heart muscle itself, not through the main circulatory system. There are two main approaches. In one, the left internal thoracic artery, LITA (also called left internal mammary artery, LIMA) is diverted to the left anterior descending branch of the left coronary artery. In this method, the artery is "pedicled...
LIMA or LITA, left internal mammary/thoracic artery
@CowperKettle there is supposedly good redundancy for circulation in the hands and feet, but I can't remember if that holds for thigh or upper arm, or even the superficial chest like in LIMA
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
3:42 PM
> Scientists got together to study the effects of alcohol on a person's walk, and the result was staggering.
 
 
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Robusto
Robusto
5:23 PM
@M.A.R. I'm sorry to hear it. My condolences. Now I see news stories citing "apathy" of the electorate as the reason he was elected, but isn't this something that would have been stage-managed in any case by the government?
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:39 PM
> Iran’s System Keeps Its Grip. Governments rooted in revolution like Tehran’s have proved to be among the world’s most stable, even drawing strength from crises. nytimes.com/2021/06/20/world/middleeast/…
 
 
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M.A.R.
M.A.R.
7:46 PM
@CowperKettle words are wind.
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I like how sensational they are about Iran. Either the regime is being crushed under pressure, or prevailing against all odds. The reality is much more boring
@Robusto there's apathy, sure. I don't need to look further than myself to see that, but again there's the proles that would live miserably and vote and behave and die in wars, they'd react the same under the Qajar Iran. I mean, look how clueless that 40% of Americans can be. Now if the same people were living in a pseudo-feudal system as late as the 1970s . . . Well.
The numbers don't fool anybody though, and almost everyone admits this, even people who voted Raisi: That the other three were a bunch of nobodies with single digit percentages of votes. So when some of the most key players in the regime are denied, and you have someone like Trump but even less charismatic running against essentially the equivalent of indeps in America.
The victory was guaranteed. Nobody pretended that it wasn't. So I dunno if I call that staged or not, just that the government didn't even need to put in any effort that staging things implies
 
Robusto
Robusto
8:07 PM
@M.A.R. Yeah. It's amazing how people all over the world acquiesce to horrible governance.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@M.A.R. That's not what I took away from the referenced article.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
8:38 PM
@M.A.R. Makes sense.
The turn-out still seems surprisingly high, though.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. But that's sort of the feeling I get in every story ever in any news.
I mean it could all be worse.
It could be raining.
or
maybe you desperately need rain and it's not raining.
either way
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
this country seems not to have cooler s commonly.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Do you mean 'air conditioning'?
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
this if occurs in Chinese island would be the most absurd thing.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Some appliance that cools a room?
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
8:49 PM
yes
there are only heaters commonly here
but it's so hot now.
 
Mitch
Mitch
So are you saying that Chinese island buildings all have air conditioning?
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
how do you study without a cooler here?
@Mitch yes, at least all public workplaces have coolers.
most rented rooms also have coolers.
 
Mitch
Mitch
You're in Northern Europe right? Usually (= historically) it only gets uncomfortably hot in August and maybe not even then, so there is usually no need at all for airconditioning
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
no, it has been crazily hot now.
 
Mitch
Mitch
but for the past twenty years are so it has become worse and worse. I suspect more northern European buildings will feel obligated to install air conditioning.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
8:52 PM
I am not in northern Europe.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Bohemianrelativist I visited mainland China once as a tourist and I noticed that almost all shops - from the whole range of grocery stores, banks, gift stores, absolutely anything that had a sign and door right on the street, did not have a door or window, just a fully open missing wall on the front. Meaning they were totally open to the outside, whether hot summer or cold winter.
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@Bohemianrelativist OK maybe southern Europe too!
But I don't remember visiting office buildings, so they could easily have good air conditioning and I wouldn't know.
@Bohemianrelativist I think @CowperKettle has been saying that central Russia (Yekaterinburg) has been unusually hot this June too.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
@Mitch I have stayed in Beijing for over one month but because it's in April and first half of May, where there was still no need for cooler, so I don't know if they have coolers commonly.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
9:11 PM
@Mitch This building, to wit, my apartment, certainly has!
Boyfriend and I bought the same unit.
Last week.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
give me a cooler.
the buildings here are very strange - they have windows which would let everything come in if let open.
they don't have a screen window which would only let air in, not insects.
so you can only keep the window close most of time, but that would be so hot but there is no cooler.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch I remember going to a jazz concert in Paris (L'Olympia, I think) around this time of year, where the lobby was air-conditioned but the concert hall was not. And everybody was smoking, IIRC. We had to leave halfway through the concert because it was so unbearable.
I have never said the word avalanche in chat. Until now.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:20 PM
@Robusto Chapeau!
@Bohemianrelativist No screens against insects sounds very northern European also. Or central European. Or ...hm are window screens an American thing?
@Cerberus Is it a window install or is it stand-alone with a duct that snake to the outside?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch The latter.
Window units are unavailable here.
Nor would they fit my windows.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
@Mitch Chinese island's windows almost all have screen. It's very strange there is no screen here.
there is also no cooler. so what to do indoors when the weather is so hot now?
I think they should follow Chinese island to produce the screen windows so that we can keep the windows open in summer.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus In the US the big (1x2x3 ft window units) come with extenders on the side to fit in windows that are wider. (the sliding part of the window above closes off things vertically.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch The opening is only about 35 cm high in my window.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Bohemianrelativist Screens are reasonably cheap. I suppose it's just not the culture to install them in Europe.
@Cerberus Is there a window pane that slides down? Or is the height exactly what it is and you can't close things off?
@Cerberus Do you know if there are screens -or- AC commonly used southern Europe in apartments? (ie not talking about businesses)
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
10:36 PM
@Mitch very strange culture. then how to keep the indoor air fresh?
in Chinese island, we always keep the window open in summer if we don't have the air conditioner on.
because the window screen is always closed, keeping window open doesn't let insect come in.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch There is a pane that slides up, but only by up to ca. 35 cm.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Bohemianrelativist Hope for no insects?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I'm not sure I understand.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Bohemianrelativist Not having a screen for the window is unheard of in private homes, at least outside of a desert-like environment that's free of evil insects.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
AC is quite common in southern Europe.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:39 PM
Europeans are really into 'fresh air' so I think they don't mind insects or there are very few insects.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Do you mean screens against mosquitos, or against the sun?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus insects
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Insect screens are probably fairly common in southern Europe.
 
Mitch
Mitch
see through, let's air through, but totally closed off so no insects can get hrough
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
In Holland, they are very common, much more so than A/C.
But rental apartments probably won't come with screens installed.
 
tchrist
tchrist
10:41 PM
@Cerberus And apparently emblematic of sybaritic decadence in the north of Europe, as though it were somewhere that ice never melts even on the summer solstice.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Yes, although that is changing rapidly, what with climate change.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus No, not so much in Spain.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
For the first time since...I don't know, since dinosaurs roamed our lands, 40 degrees was recorded last year.
@tchrist When I was in Granada, snow covered Al Hambra.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I remember, on a different trip than the one to China, in northern Europe, on a warm late May/early June evening, leaving the windows open in the evening to get a little breeze and...
 
tchrist
tchrist
It was 108 when I drove through Nebraska the other day.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:43 PM
That is all I have seen of Spain.
 
Mitch
Mitch
...and millions of midges swarmed in around the inside lights.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But I have seen lots of screens in Italy or France. No idea about the proportion, though.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus It's normal for snow to cover the Sierra Nevada above Granada; hence the name. :) But lower? Not so common.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Rented vacation houses are probably different from real ones.
 
Mitch
Mitch
and in the morning we had to sweep up a big clump of dead midges.
 
tchrist
tchrist
10:44 PM
@Cerberus Yes, I've seen them in France. Didn't pay attention in Italy.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist I think it was the first time in twenty years.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch Were you burning those poison lights?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
This reminds me that I should make screens for my own house, against mice and mosquiti and moths.
Or perhaps have them made; a friend of mine does wood-working.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist nope. I think they just tired themselves out with all their midging.
 
tchrist
tchrist
To pass from west to east across the Hundredth is like entering the land of milk and honey before the Fall.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:46 PM
@Cerberus I did that once. for just one window. It takes a lot longer than it looks.
I would b=never choose to do that myself again.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch How did you do it?
What materials?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus 1) screen stuff
2) um...
hmm
can't remember
the screeny part of the screen in a big sheet
then
a
screen frame?
 
tchrist
tchrist
It is stunning to go suddenly from dusty dryland steppe to uberous greenlands overflowing with nature's bounty.
 
Mitch
Mitch
yeah the frame
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I was thinking of cutting out a fitting rectangle in styrofoam, then sticking screen stuff onto it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:49 PM
and some rubber/plastic ... thing?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm rubber/plastic, what for?
 
Mitch
Mitch
you mush the screen into a little slot in the frame with the rubber plastic thingy
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm a pre-made frame?
 
tchrist
tchrist
They're uberous greenlands because there are no ubers to their west. Tubers eithers.
 
Mitch
Mitch
it's longer and mushy, you string it all around the edge of the frame
@Cerberus yes
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:51 PM
How did you ensure that the frame fit your window opening?
 
Mitch
Mitch
the hard part is getting the screen itself to be taught in all four directions.
NSEW
@Cerberus standards?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, we have no standards here.
 
Mitch
Mitch
the screen frame was bought to fit the window, and window sizes are pretty standard in the US. very few choices.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
My window isn't even truly rectangular...
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Hobbit round?
Hard to get screens for those.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:52 PM
More like a lozenge.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Custom work is dear but perhaps worth it. Were it truly your name on the deed.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Well, the 18th-century windows are more rectangular than the 17th-century ones.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I have crazy shaped windows. Had to get custom-made shades.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus How fashionable
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I shall measure and cut the styrofoam myself. That shouldn't be too hard, should it? Just ugky.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:55 PM
@Cerberus vive la mode!
 
tchrist
tchrist
Do you have double pane or triple pane glass on your windows?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus styrofoam? for what?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch That way it comes with ice cream.
 
Mitch
Mitch
a la mode de Caen
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Each window is 4 or 6 panes.
Each pane is one sheet of glass.
 
tchrist
tchrist
10:56 PM
No, double-pane means layers deep.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But an extra sheet was mounted on top of each quartet or duo of panes.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's for insulation against the bitter winds of winter.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So the insulation is fairly poor.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist with nitrogen pumped in between to keep out stray cosmic rays
 
tchrist
tchrist
Sometimes these are called storm windows. You replace them with screens in the summer.
The same slot fits both.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
10:58 PM
@Mitch there are many insects. Every time I let the windows open, there are insects flying in.
 
tchrist
tchrist
So you either have screens in for bugs or glass in for cold.
 
Mitch
Mitch
or you have a double slotted frame where both are installed and you slide one up out of use and the other down to use.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Bohemianrelativist You live in a very buggy place now. :/
@Mitch Oh that's right, those half-jobbers.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
@tchrist just a usual city.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Bohemianrelativist Well, it's moist. Humid.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:00 PM
This is one of the more rectangular windows.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Bohemianrelativist mosquitos of moths or what?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Bohemianrelativist Oh I was wrong. You only get around 21 inches of moisture per year where you are now, which is only a little more than I normally get.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It cannot be opened at all except by unscrewing those...butterfly screws.
It has two siblings.
One slides down a bit, the other up.
Neither very far.
 
Mitch
Mitch
hm
You should just move
 
tchrist
tchrist
Awkward.
 
Bohemian relativist
Bohemian relativist
11:02 PM
@Mitch moths, mosquitoes, butterflies and others I don't know the names.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Bohemianrelativist I would not begrudge a butterfly entry.
 
Mitch
Mitch
butterflies seem like they'd be OK to have. The rest... no.
@tchrist jinx
 
tchrist
tchrist
Mosquitos and little biting bugs are not good. And others can still annoy. Mosquito-borne diseases are terrible in some parts of the world. In many, to be honest.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch There is nothing to move to that costs less than thrice my rent.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist malaria used to be a problem in Northern Europe
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:05 PM
Kitchen window. This one is probably the most rectangular.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus a villa in the countryside.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch But I cannot live there.
Bedroom window. These are diamond-shaped.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus a mountain chalet?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
A what chalet?
 
Mitch
Mitch
mountain
in the mountains
above a ski slope
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:07 PM
Means nothing to me.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch How far north? I think of it as one of those jungle and bayou scourges down in Dixie.
 
Mitch
Mitch
like in switzerland
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Is that like a knoll?
 
Mitch
Mitch
with your own personal ski lift
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch Or in Colorado.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:08 PM
@tchrist Holland is a big swamp.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus a really big knoll
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
We used to have lots of malaria, perhaps even into the 17th century.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist Denmark?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus You need to rise above your history!
 
Mitch
Mitch
I read a thing
was it Henry Miller?
The girl dies of malaria
@tchrist Exactly
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:09 PM
@tchrist We have sunk, rather.
 
Mitch
Mitch
far above the insects
and tourists
@Cerberus maybe that's the story I read
I've only read one story about each country
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch How many inches?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus a lot
like more than
just a lot
 
tchrist
tchrist
Malaria is a tropical disease. I question its presence in the high latitudes.
> Malaria is found in more than 100 countries, mainly in tropical regions of the world, including:

large areas of Africa and Asia
Central and South America
Haiti and the Dominican Republic
parts of the Middle East
some Pacific islands

Malaria is not found in the UK – it may be diagnosed in travellers who return to the UK from risk areas.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist yeah that's what's weird. we expect it to only appear in tropical places. but supposedly it was a problem in some parts of Northern Europe, like the Netherlands or Denmark, depending on which story you read.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:13 PM
@Mitch Like four?
That's more than I have heads.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> Danish health authorities reported 94 imported malaria cases in 2017, a number roughly on a par with the level recorded in the past few years–about 100 cases per year. Compared with 2014, 2015 and 2016, the year 2017 recorded a lower occurrence of vivax malaria among refugees arriving to Denmark from Eritrea/Ethiopia.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus oh. Way more. Like.. a lot more.
8?
 
tchrist
tchrist
All imports.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist We're talking about 19th or 18th c
wait
Cerb said 17th?
I can't read
 
tchrist
tchrist
waits
 
Mitch
Mitch
11:15 PM
or scroll back to where he said it
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> Tot ca. 1920 kwam malaria overigens ook nog endemisch in Nederland voor. Vlak na de Tweede Wereldoorlog waren er in Nederland ca. 10.000 gevallen van malaria per jaar. Dit hoge aantal kan mede worden verklaard door het stoppen van de 'kininisatie' tijdens de Duitse bezetting en door verminderde bemaling van polders door brandstofschaarste.[1]
Pas in 1959 werd 'inheemse' malaria voor het laatst geconstateerd in Nederland, en in 1970 kreeg Nederland als een van de laatste landen in Europa het predicaat 'malariavrij' van de Wereldgezondheidsorganisatie.[2]
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Exactly
well
I didn't read it there
 
tchrist
tchrist
"tertian"
> Pathology. Of a fever or ague: Characterized by the occurrence of a paroxysm every third (i.e. every alternate) day.
 
Mitch
Mitch
bunch of terts
not a jinx
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So I'm sure it was still quite common in the 17th century.
> De verdwijning van autochtone malaria tertiana uit Nederland berust op een combinatie van een aantal factoren:[23]

- De behandeling eerst met kinine en later met plasmochine, waardoor het aantal gezonde dragers van malariaparasieten verminderde.
- De gerichte bestrijding van A. maculipennis atroparvus door te spuiten met o.a. DDT.
- De verzoeting van het water in Noord-Holland en Friesland na de afsluiting van de Zuiderzee in 1932. Het aantal muggen van de soort A. maculipennis nam daardoor af. Bovendien kwam de A. maculipennis atroparvus, die brak water voor het broeden prefere…
 
tchrist
tchrist
11:18 PM
Autochthon I grok but not this Tertian thing. Sounds like a painter.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Perhaps brought in by third parties?
Like ships or travellers?
 
Mitch
Mitch
triurnal?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Those are also the cause of malaria cases here today.
Oh, wait, it is probably just the name of the (sub)species.
> malaria tertiana
 
tchrist
tchrist
Oh.,
 
Mitch
Mitch
isn't malaria characterized by periodic fever? like you have an awful flu like fever, then things get better like it is over, and then it comes back. Every other day?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:21 PM
By the way, I got my first vaccination shot to-day.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Every day?
@Cerberus Woo Hoo!
 
tchrist
tchrist
> Plasmodium falciparum (Malaria tropica), Plasmodium ovale, and Plasmodium vivax (Malaria tertiana)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And 17-y-os are now also allowed to make vaccination appointments.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Holy cow! I hadn't realized you guys were still lagging so badly, but I hadn't heard otherwise either.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Cerb is so young and it's taken them that long to get everybody above his age
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:22 PM
I could have made the appointment for the 11th, but today suited me better.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Yes, "Plasmodium" was the name I attached to the organism.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
We're now around 50% vaccinated, I think.
Or was it 50% of adults.
Mouth caps will no longer be worn from the 26th, except in public transportation.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I think we were lucky it wasn't like 1918 where it was mostly killing people in their 20's
or infants
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Quite.
Although I like old people?
Nobody I know has died.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I know it's already been a year and some but I feel like I haven't heard that?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:25 PM
A few people I know got infected.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus it's bad for everybody
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Less than a handful suffered long-term symptoms. Only one was unable to work for a longer time.
So I suppose I'm lucky.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus same here but only 20 year olds who got at worst a little woozy
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Good for you.
The virus hit poor and allochthonous people much worse here.
Especially the latter.
I.e. non-Western immigrants.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus but the homeochthonous tended not to be in jobs that were in your face?
@Cerberus what kind of western immigrants are there? Poles? Portuguese?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:28 PM
Yes, that is one reason: non-Western immigrants are poor and don't have office jobs which they could do from home.
@Mitch Basically people from any Western-European country.
Our largest group of immigrants are Germans.
Then Brits, Belgians, Frenchmen, something like that.
Another reason is small hice.
A third one is lots of contact with grandparents, even living together.
A fourth one is cultural: more physical, less 'cold' than Dutchmen. And less inclined to follow rules.
And now it turns out they are not getting vaccinated, because they believe in conspiracies...
All very saddening.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus are they permanent transferees? Or are they just there temporarily?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Both.
Migration is just easiest for people living nearby.
 
Mitch
Mitch
right
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> Tegenwoordig wonen er ongeveer 370.000 Duitsers in Nederland.
And I think these are just people who actually have German nationality.
Many others of recent German descent won't.
 
Mitch
Mitch
won't what?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:33 PM
Have German nationality.
 
Mitch
Mitch
won't have German... oh
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So they won't show up in statistics.
Whereas Turks and Moroccans almost always have double nationality.
 
Mitch
Mitch
.Before the EU, was the border still mostly very fluid with Germany?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yes.
But do you mean the Schengen treaty (open borders), the actual EU (1995?), or its praedecessors?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Oh, sure, Schengen was before EU, right?
When did Schengen start? EU was 73? but EU wasn't open borders, Schengen was, right?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:39 PM
The EU was officially established in the Treaty of Maastricht of 1993, it seems.
Before that, it was called the EC; and even earlier, the EEC.
And before that the ECSC.
 
Mitch
Mitch
oh. EC was what I was thinking
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
European Coal and Steel Community
The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was an organisation of six European countries created after World War II to regulate their industrial production under a centralised authority. It was formally established in 1951 by the Treaty of Paris, signed by Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany. The ECSC was the first international organisation to be based on the principles of supranationalism, and started the process of formal integration which ultimately led to the European Union. The ECSC was first proposed by French foreign minister Robert Schuman on 9 May...
Of course it has always been the French.
We can mock them, but they get things done.
Now they are working on industrial policy, for which they have at last found momentum.
 
Mitch
Mitch
d'Estaing was behind the Euro? I think?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I think he was earlier?
But maybe he started the process?
I should not be surprised if France had been behind that, too!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:58 PM
@tchrist Look, we're only 2.3 percentage points behind you.
 

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