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12:02 AM

@Mitch Mas não se fala muito inglês nos Açores, e o muito pouco que lá existe vem sempre molhado.

I have no idea why they're masculine in Portuguese but feminine in Spanish.

Las Azores, oficialmente Región Autónoma de las Azores (en portugués: Região Autónoma dos Açores), es un grupo de nueve islas portuguesas situadas en medio del océano Atlántico, a unos 1400 km al oeste de Lisboa, y forman parte de la Macaronesia. Conforman una región autónoma dotada de autonomía política y administrativa cuya norma suprema es el Estatuto político-administrativo de la Región Autónoma de las Azores. Forman parte de la Unión Europea con la calificación de «región ultraperiférica», según el artículo 299.2 del Tratado de la Unión Europea. La capitalidad de Azores está compartida entre…

Os Açores, oficialmente Região Autónoma dos Açores, são um arquipélago transcontinental e um território autónomo da República Portuguesa, situado no Atlântico nordeste, dotado de autonomia política e administrativa, consubstanciada no Estatuto Político-Administrativo da Região Autónoma dos Açores. Os Açores integram a União Europeia com o estatuto de região ultraperiférica do território da União, conforme estabelecido nos artigos 349.º e 355.º do Tratado sobre o Funcionamento da União Europeia. == História == Com quase seis séculos de presença humana continuada, os Açores granjearam um l...

12:23 AM

Another entry in the flat-adverb sweepstakes: "You did real good."

@Robusto True, you did real goodly would have been more common.

1 hour later…

1:54 AM

@Cerberus more middler than Bermuda

@tchrist OK, then how about Bermuda? I'm sure they have an accent.

.

OK

I have something to say

You're not going to like it

In fact you may be hurt

Even angry

But it's just an opinion

So just accept it that way

So what it is is

Despite what people universally seem to think

Monty Python isn't that funny

2:18 AM

@Mitch That's OK.

We'll still care about you.

@Mitch Sometimes they're not that funny. Like in MP&tHG. But in LoB they are supremely funny. There, I said it.

@Mitch True. Bermudas are shorter.

3:01 AM

@Robusto On rethinking...yeah LoB and MoL are top of the line. And there are some brilliant instances in tHG and before. But for the most part... I don't know why I thought it was -that- funny.

@Conrado Spasibo. I feel loved.

@Cerberus That's silly. Bermudas are the long ones.

Aren't they?

I mean I'm a product of my background, I'm still gonna laugh at all of Monty Python.

I just can't convince someone that they're funny.

@Mitch Depends on your frame of reference?

If you're a seventies kid, you'll be used to shorter shorts.

Bermuda shorts, also known as walk shorts or dress shorts, are a particular type of short trousers, worn as semi-casual attire by both men and women. The hem, which can be cuffed or un-cuffed, is around 1 inch (2.5 cm) above the knee. They are so-named because of their popularity in Bermuda, a British Overseas Territory, where they are considered appropriate business attire for men when made of suit-like material and worn with knee-length socks, a dress shirt, tie, and blazer. True Bermuda shorts are not to be confused with "capri pants" extending below the knee. Cargo shorts may be a similar length...

I AM VINDICATED!

They're longer than these.

an inch above the knee are longish shorts. If they go below the knee they're no longer shorts, they're... pants? capri pants?

@Cerberus true

That reminds me of a childhood incident.

@Mitch I'm not sure where shorts end.

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3:14 AM

I think I was somewhere between 6 and 10 years old

Look what happened to the hem lines of shorts.

I was wearing jeans

No way!

that had a rip on one knee, which, you as well know, often happens with kids jeans from rigorous kid activity

Indeed.

3:17 AM

I came inside (from some of this rigorous kid activity), and my mom and grandmother were chatting away

They remarked on my torn jeans knee (really it wasn't torn that much) and they offered to sew it up.

I was indignant.

It was my jeans, it was my tear, I wanted that tear in the jeans, I did not want it fixed, and I told them so.

I made my view clear. And they acquiesced.

But...

I was at that age where...

well, not out of any desire or inclination but probably habit, I took a nap.

Right on the couch next to where they were chatting.

You know how it is when you nap, it's like time doesn't exist, and then you're awake.

So...

I awoke.

And

goddamit

My torn jeans knee had been repaired.

God fucking dammit

Those lying liars

How fucking dare they fix something that I expressly asked them -not- to.

-And- to which, at least I thought, they had agreed to not do.

Lying fucking liars

And

to make it worse

they took advantage of me while I was helplessly asleep.

a violation of multiple trusts

That wasn't cool!

Totally uncool

How fucking dare they.

They ruined... they RUINED those perfectly ripped jeans

3:32 AM

@Mitch Such betrayal!

And to think that while they mended, they callously let you nap pantless...

fucking parents

and -their- parents

they ruin everything

It's basically filicide.

And nepoticide.

@Conrado Oh... I don't they were capable of that kind of atrocity. I'm pretty sure they mended it in situ

In Ancient Rome, they'd have been sown up in a sack and tossed into the Tiber.

3:35 AM

@Cerberus I wouldn't go so far as to call it that, but the response should be the same.

Poena cullei (from Latin 'penalty of the sack') under Roman law was a type of death penalty imposed on a subject who had been found guilty of parricide. The punishment consisted of being sewn up in a leather sack, with an assortment of live animals including a dog, snake, monkey, and a chicken or rooster, and then being thrown into water. The punishment may have varied widely in its frequency and precise form during the Roman period. For example, the earliest fully documented case is from ca. 100 BC, although scholars think the punishment may have developed about a century earlier. Inclusion of...

@Cerberus Fortunately enough for them this was not Ancient Rome.

Into the sack with them!

kicked down the stairs

Which, accidentally, is a common punishment dealt out by Sinterklaas, whose holiday is this weekend.

"The sack of Saint Nicholas" is a well known song here.

3:37 AM

@Mitch Ah... I see. The rip was, perhaps, less than I initially imagined.

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@tchrist Yes, though not if you weigh by the degree of relatedness (proportion of genes in common).

At least I would assume not...

@Conrado Oh, those are latter day fashions

@Conrado Ugh, is that still en vogue?

probably inspired by, well not me exactly, but I was part of a generation that really started it.

so I can't take -full- credit of the ripped jeans trend

@Cerberus You have no idea

Well, I work with high-school children...

So I have some idea of peer pressure and unfortunate fashion.

Can't blame the parents any more.

3:42 AM

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@Mitch These days, it seems all fashion is yet another cycle of retro.

@Mitch Oh, how lovely, and how functional.

If only the Brits had those on Bermuda.

There's no jeans in those jeans

She must get stuck a lot.

@Cerberus If you understand the depth of betrayal in my story, then you'll understand that you can always and forever blame your parents.

Oh, fair enough.

3:45 AM

@Cerberus I'm kinda not sure of the point. Like, why bother.

Well, she can hardly go walk around without any trousers on, can she?

Anyway, I was pretty mad at the time that they mended my jeans. They sewed a patch over the rip.

Did I wear them again, you might reasonably ask, given the nature of the transgression.

Hm... probably. I mean they still worked.

I'm not a madman.

Now that I think of it, I had a not too dissimilar experience years later with fixing clothes.

OMG...and a third distinct incident.

Goddammit

parents are awful

fixing your clothes

these later incidents were actually worse (one, throwing away a favorite shirt, which of course I still have, and then putting a name tag on some clothes).

@Mitch Oh, Hades, not a patch.

pretty shameful.

@Mitch In our house, it was the opposite.

3:51 AM

@Cerberus I'm not sure which would have been worse, sewing up the rip (you can do that on jeans) or the patch.

My mother would buy e.g. certain shoes and force me to wear them.

After wearing them to school for one day, I hid them.

They were never found.

Not even when I tried to find them.

I mean childhood is full of awful shaming events enough without -supposed- authority figures being party to them.

@Cerberus OMG. I'm so sorry.

Sewing would be less conspicuous?

@Mitch Thank you for your sympathy.

@Cerberus Yeah, I think so, but I think that's a mom thing, patches.

Probably.

I think my mother sewed or ironed patches onto my trousers as well.

But only when I was fairly young.

Certainly under twelve.

3:53 AM

@Cerberus I mean she's probably a wonderful person to everybody else in the world, and she had to take all her negative thoughts out on you.

That was actually kind of how it was, during menopause.

@Cerberus hm... maybe they did take off my pants and iron on a patch?

Maybe.

It's all awful.

Not all the time. But puberty and menopause don't go well together.

@Cerberus oh

@Cerberus well

as you get older

I suppose things change

Indeed.

3:56 AM

more serious and less serious?

But yeah I remember getting clothes that I wore once and god forbid I will never ever wear that thing again.

ever

not the right color

How did you manage it?

I know you didn't ask, but you certainly are curious... yes, I did run out in the middle of the night to pull that favorite shirt, that had been thrown out, out of the middle of the trash can, that was scheduled to be picked up by the garbage men the next day.

It may have been raining.

Pretty sure it was at least damp.

@Cerberus I think I just didn't wear it?

Well done.

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They were overalls.

@Mitch Hmm standing up to your mother was feasible?

4:01 AM

(it wasn't the color. I mean other stuff I didn't wear because of the color, but not the overalls)

The overalls just weren't comfortable (I think my mom thought they would be).

SHE WAS WRONG

@Cerberus I had other clothes, so it was avoidable.

That's not how my mother operated.

stayed in the drawer or closet for years, and eventually I grew out of it.

I was strong willed, but she was stronger.

I remember refusing to wear those chequered woollen trousers to Christmas at my grandparents.

They (led by my mother) got into the car and pretended to leave without me.

@Cerberus Despite the obvious lack of character she exhibited by these numerous transgressions, she was actually pretty cool about it.

Looking back, I know she could not possible have left without me, leaving a young child home alone, and admitting to her parents why.

But back then...she won.

@Mitch Lucky you!

4:05 AM

@Cerberus whistles

Harsh

Yeah.

They itched like crazy!

And they were stupid!

I really didn't want to wear red-and-green chequered trousers.

@Cerberus The itching part is awful, but the looking stupid... that cannot stand!

I know.

@Cerberus I'm so sorry

I am

That cuts to the soul

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It did.

Something like this.

4:07 AM

tears flowing down my face

But now it's bedtime.

Isn't it?

a while ago

more stories for another time

Oh... a story about my sister!

I look forward to it.

She was cool. But one time I was about to throw a ball to her...

and our dog was running around us...

and she said 'Don't throw it or you'll hit the dog'

and I threw it

and I hit the dog

Sure I felt bad about hitting the dog (he turned out OK)

but ... how did she know?

I wasn't aiming at the dog. I was trying to throw it to her. And the dog wasn't in the way or anything at the time she said it.

How did she know?

Ok that was the story.

I try to remember others for another time

But how did she know?

I can see exactly where we were in the yard and me throwing it to my sister

and the ball hitting the dog (I mean I threw it hard, but the dog is OK)

but the hardest part about it all was that she was right.

Girls are better at estimating risks than boys?

2 hours later…

6:09 AM

The sister knows that the dog will chase the ball but probably not catch it.

3 hours later…

8:50 AM

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9:17 AM

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9:51 AM

@CowperKettle Maybe someone sits around and thinks this stuff up. If so, I hope he or she gets compensated handsomely.

10:35 AM

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Matt E. Эллен

Excellent. More reasons for me to feel smug, as a cyclist 😁

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Captain Bohemian

home is where funding is.

I found the axiom after I graduated from MSc school.

Matt E. Эллен

home is just above end and between insert and page up

Captain Bohemian

it's not that you want to live there then you can move there.

you can only live in the places where there are funded positions for the profession you want to be engaged with.

Matt E. Эллен

unless you can work from home.

Captain Bohemian

10:45 AM

some places are very scenic but there are not many funding opportunities there

Matt E. Эллен

accountants can live anywhere, if their clients are happy to interact over zoom or such

Captain Bohemian

the most possibility is that you want to work on tourism there.

many scenic places don't have many funding opportunities besides tourism.

Accounting sounds like a very boring job.

Matt E. Эллен

I guess that depends ones point of view. certainly isn't a job I'd want

Captain Bohemian

it's better there is a telescope on a scenic place where people can work on.

or a gravitational wave detectors

but I am not engineering savvy

I prefer to develop formulations for gravitational wave

Matt E. Эллен

gravitational waves are everywhere. you can work from home, too!

Captain Bohemian

10:53 AM

staying at home cannot make network

very strong gravitational wave is rare, not everywhere.

Matt E. Эллен

make a gravitational wave amplifier, then you can detect them

Captain Bohemian

a gravitational wave detector occupies a very big space

Matt E. Эллен

well, make a smaller one, then

Captain Bohemian

it's not possible to build it if there is no sufficient space

it's impossible to build a small one

Matt E. Эллен

you're just bringing up obstacles because you don't want to do it.

I'm sorry, I'm just messing with you

Captain Bohemian

10:59 AM

because you need to two very long arms to detect gravitational wave

gravitational waves are rare, particularly the ones strong enough to be detected, so you need very long arms to boost the opportunity of detecting one.

Matt E. Эллен

isn't everything with mass emitting gravitational waves?

Captain Bohemian

it's like accelerators need a big space to build because you need long enough acceleration to reach sufficient energy you want for your experiment

@MattE.Эллен no, only accelerating masses emit gravitational waves.

Matt E. Эллен

but the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, and I am in the universe, so I am emitting gravitational waves, no?

Captain Bohemian

but the universe isn't filled with masses everywhere; a lot of places are empty.

Matt E. Эллен

but I am a mass

and I am acellerating

Captain Bohemian

11:06 AM

only sufficient big masses which are accelerating produce strong enough gravitational waves to be detected.

like black holes

Matt E. Эллен

So it's too difficult to detect all the gravitational waves on Earth, because one can't tell the difference between them and noise.

Captain Bohemian

indeed, it took 36 years from (proposing) building the gravitational wave detector to actually detecting gravitational waves in 2016.

Captain Bohemian

12:06 PM

roommateship is a very strange policy

it is deemed men and women should not share the same bedroom, but not everyone is heterosexual.

so shouldn't everyone be assigned a single room?

12:52 PM

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Matt E. Эллен

@CaptainBohemian as the say on the Tumblr "and they were roomates!"

1:35 PM

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Minus 9C

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A good weather for a jog

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1:52 PM

I'm reading about an accident in which the roof of a swimming pool fell and killed 10 children in 2005. The text says that a 10-yo girl died of "ruptured heart" instantly out of fright, and was otherwise healthy. Can such a thing really happen? 59.ru/text/incidents/2020/11/20/69560863

@MattE.Эллен It's like you're demanding us to cut you down to size.

So here goes.

Bikes are dumb.

Matt E. Эллен

They have no mouths but they must speak

2:10 PM

fg

Matt E. Эллен

fhqwgads

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2:29 PM

@SmokeDetector Thank you, Smoky

@CaptainBohemian It is deemed men and women should not share the same shower-room, which is sad, very sad.

2:40 PM

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3:00 PM

Why is Stella mad?

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch awwwwww

I wonder if there's a "SQUIRREL" button

@Mitch Is that button thingy a real thing? Feels a bit science-fictiony.

3:35 PM

@MattE.Эллен I wouldn't feel so smug if you're riding an old-fashioned girl's bike with a handlebar basket.

Seriously, though, you can cycle from Maine to California on the energy equivalent of a couple gallons (~10 liters) of gasoline. That is energy efficiency.

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto I think it's a very nice bike. harumph

@MattE.Эллен You bought it for the color, didn't you?

Matt E. Эллен

red makes you go faster!

3:55 PM

I've heard that.

4:23 PM

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Hello! I have a question, I've recently seeing more and more people writing quotes like :*this is not the ''natural,, way to use quotes*. Is this any different from the typical this is the "natural" way to use quotes

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Max. heart rate 176 bpm

It's curious how for the first 1.5 km the heart rate stays somewhat lower, and then goes up a notch.

5:19 PM

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@CowperKettle Heart rate generally starts lower and then goes up with duration and effort. 176 is rather high. Were you sprinting at that point?

@Robusto I was running uphill

That can do it.

176 is okay for me, I've seen it many, many times on the chart.

The dirt-cheap Chinese heart rate monitor works marvelously.

I only ever walk on the treadmill these days

5:21 PM

30 years ago probably only cosmonauts could have such heart-rate monitors.

@M.A.R. That is also good

I have some sporting centers in the vicinity, but I don't have much money

@CowperKettle For ideal training you should be between 60-80% of your theoretical max.

The other day I saw a man running in the park, and something was beeping rhytmically. I understood that it was some app on his phone that helped him run at a precise pace. Because he was running very slowly.

I have a Garmin 1030 on my bike, and I keep an eye on my heart rate, mainly to keep it in that best training range.

The theoretical max heart rate is 220 minus your age, so figure out 60-80% of that.

But if you're an athlete your theoretical rate skews higher.

On long climbs I am often higher than my theoretical max.

@CowperKettle Does your monitor have a chest strap or does it work via the wrist?

@Robusto It is a chest strap

Good. Those are more accurate.

5:29 PM

I bought it out of curiousity. I saw similar straps on some runners ))

It's a good tool for maximizing your training.

> Glucosamine supplements may reduce overall mortality about as well as regular exercise does, according to a new epidemiological study from West Virginia University. sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201201171726.htm

I'll switch to glucosamine to save time.

@CowperKettle One swallow does not make a summer, nor one study a breakthrough.

@CowperKettle But nothing is ever so simple as these, is it.

@M.A.R. Jinx.

5:33 PM

I'm fairly convinced there is never going to be a fountain of youth.

Everything exogenous ends up screwing some balance in the body.

Yes. In other words, there still ain't no free lunch.

And the more potent or effective things get, the more systems they affect in the body. Just going by the name, you'd think injecting a growth hormone would be the most innocuous thing ever.

When I was a kid they had articles that said by the year 2000 we would all be getting our nutrition in pill form. I thought, "But I like food."

There goes the restaurant business.

6:08 PM

@Robusto gulp

@M.A.R. Exercise in moderation?

@Mitch more like a cup of youth

With my condition, I'd be doing really great if I make it to 70.

6:56 PM

@M.A.R. I think that every biologist understands this.

The human body is too complex.

For instance, free radicals are necessary for cell signaling. You cannot just remove them and expect the body to function.

@CowperKettle well, some endeavors aren't undertaken to produce a direct result

Captain Bohemian

7:41 PM

objects of my arriving here haven't been reach much

2 hours later…

Captain Bohemian

9:48 PM

so hot

Captain Bohemian

10:15 PM

This room is so hot

Though the outdoor is cold

10:32 PM

> If you believe in telekinesis, please raise my hand.

10:45 PM

@MattE.Эллен what's worse, if you weren't alive today, we could take your salary and give it to the NHS instead!

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