English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

12:12 AM

@RegDwigнt OK, I watched Punch Drunk Love. Ping if you want to discuss.

tchrist

12:44 AM

@RegDwigнt The Ballad of Narayama, Kinoshita 1958.

M.A.R.

7:17 AM

@tchrist FDA-approved food safety

CowperKettle

7:42 AM

@Færd For instance, here's the chart showing all pro-Putin votes from all 28 voting stations in the Shalinksy Region of Chechnya.

The variation equals 0.1%

Basically nobody counted the votes on all 28 stations, they just typed in the appropriate numbers, never caring whether they would be caught or not.

Here are results from hundreds of voting points in the city of Kazan.

Only two stations in the city had independent monitoring.

On these two stations, the results are somewhat plausible (in red circle)

All other results basically stick to the same 75% line.

Scientists say this was the most rigged voting in Russia since 1989.

It's funny that there were anti-Putin voting results on military ships in St. Petersburg. Because the voting committees consist of fellow shipmen and on some military ships there is strong morale and they strictly follow the law.

Same with some specialized closed cities, for instance, a city where atomic engineers and workers live (and common folk is forbidden to enter) showed a 50/50 result instead of a clear pro-Putin result.

Because there are a lot of scientists, professionals in such cities, and they value their conscience.

Even though their living standards are high.

Kazan is famous for presenting cooked voting results, and the Republic of Tatarstan in general is famous for it.

SmokeDetector

9:34 AM

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CowperKettle

9:50 AM

> Wash the plate once with 300 μL of IX PBST using a plate washer and tap dry.

What is the meaning of tap dry? This is an ELISA plate (biotechnology)

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Q: Meaning of "tap dry" in "wash the 96-well ELISA plate using a plate washer and tap dry"

From a qPCR instruction: Wash the plate once with 300 μL of IX PBST using a plate washer and tap dry. What is the meaning of tap dry? This is an ELISA plate (biotechnology). The phrase comes up several times in my document. Does it mean "to give slight blows to the plate to shed all liquid from it

terminology

Færd

12:20 PM

Thank you @CowperKettle.

@CowperKettle Can I get the link to this one?

CowperKettle

@Færd kireev.livejournal.com/1755584.html

CowperKettle

1:21 PM

What are failing points? (PCR, measurement of host cell proteins in a drug)
Are they measurements that returned no values?
Or are they measurements whose values fail the criteria?

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Thanks for those charts.

Even more fixed than one might have thought.

CowperKettle

1:49 PM

@Cerberus An analysis has just been published. The likelihood of 337 voting stations in Kazan returing the same precise result is 10 to the power of minus 199. Which, accordign to the authors, might happen "if all planets in the Milky Way held a vote for a billion years"

meduza.io/feature/2020/07/04/…

Basically, a total fraud.

The real vote might be closer to 60% to 40%, but for some reason Putin wanted an absolute win.

He was not content with winning by a margin of 15-20%

And the spikes on charts appear at points ending in tens and fives.

This kind of chart is called in Russia "the Churov saw"

Because this kind of rigging started when Churov headed the Central Voting Committee

Basically, local big wigs try to rig the votes according to their own ideas about what the most pleasing result might be, and they often end up with figures ending in tens and fives, like 75%

Cerberus

It just sounds so amateurish.

CowperKettle

> The visualization of this phenomenon when plotted out has been dubbed “Churov’s saw” after former Central Election Commission head Vladimir Churov, who oversaw several elections rife with fraud allegations.

Knight

2:53 PM

Does anybody know Russian language here?

Please ping me if you

M.A.R.

3:35 PM

@CowperKettle Wow, they're not even trying to hide it

That's really stupid.

Robusto

@CowperKettle Not even a fig leaf to hide the corruption.

And it's doubly appalling because Trump is very obviously Putin's bitch.

M.A.R.

3:50 PM

rferl.org/a/…

Robusto

4:25 PM

@CowperKettle: It's very telling that the "outliers" are bracketing what is normally considered the mean.

tchrist

5:28 PM

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A: Adverb confusion!

Locative expressions as adverbial complements — not as adverbial modifiers The problem is that your understanding of an adverb as a word that modifies a verb isn’t inclusive enough. Yes, manner adverbs can modify verbs. But many adverb types can modify things other than verbs, while some adverb ...

M.A.R.

6:02 PM

Put the dog quietly

Like, RIGHT NOW

@tchrist I think if you swap the statement on manner and place adverbs with your demonstration of a whiz-deletion, it'll make for a more understandable answer for the OP

tchrist

6:15 PM

@M.A.R. Not sure just where you mean there.

M.A.R.

@tchrist These two paragraphs are rather connected to the final paragraphs and while not necessary out-of-place, they'd look better together:

> Probably the easiest way to resolve your particular case is by classifying this particular use of below as a place adverb acting in the role of adverbial complement to a clause whose principal parts were “whiz-deleted”.

Whiz-deletion is the removal from a clause of a wh- word and an inflection of be, leaving just the tail end behind. That way because it is not a complement instead of a modifier, it has no need to find a verb to modify, nor anything else to modify either.

Your flow of text seems that of a mathematician proving two tangentially related statements to arrive at a conclusion, but I think the whiz-deletion paragraphs should go together for an easier comprehension of your text

Just my two rials

tchrist

They used to.

I did some splicing and chopping.

Edited. Any better?

M.A.R.

OK, your answer, your choice

tchrist

Neither I right looks write the first time. :)

M.A.R.

6:31 PM

@tchrist Heh, it was almost perfect initially. I just come from the viewpoint where OPs such as these run away to ELL because "ELU answers are so high above my pay grade", while the culprit is really they were investing their internet attention on the post, not their full attention

tchrist

@M.A.R. Oh, is that a non-native learner?

M.A.R.

I'm not sure, but to be surprised at the usage of "below" sounds very non-native. We analyze stuff more thoroughly in hopes of understanding it

I'm not making assumptions either way

But I've certainly seen simple answers being referred to as complicated simply because they weren't being paid attention to

@M.A.R. convert to active voice. 2 pts

tchrist

They may just be nervous about calling it an adjective.

Which is just.

Since it snot.

M.A.R.

Jun 29 at 15:36, by Robusto

@tchrist The juiciest justice just jests judiciously avec le mot juste.

tchrist

The justest mot.

M.A.R.

6:37 PM

I haven't figured out the meaning of this one yet. Is "juste" also French?

tchrist

Yes.

Always was.

English has fair.

That's why you can say something's the fairest in the land but you can't say anything is the justest in the land.

M.A.R.

OK, now it makes sense

I think I've seen "justest" before?

tchrist

At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

@M.A.R. In days of olde.

M.A.R.

I'm not that olde

Sure, who uses even the normal adjective anymore.

tchrist

> 1633 P. Fletcher Purple Island xi. xii. 148 A simple maid, With justest grief and wrong so ill apaid.

> 1858 T. P. Thompson Audi Alteram Partem (1859) II. lxxiv. 23 The justest object of jealousy to wise men in all ages.

Wow, I didn't know Audi went that far back. :)

M.A.R.

6:40 PM

It's a disguised scam!

tchrist

I did.

M.A.R.

@tchrist Thank God they shortened his (?) name

Heh, they loved super long names here too

And super long titles, before Pahlavi

It was a sitcom alright

tchrist

> Thomas Perronet Thompson · Audi alteram partem, letters of a representative to his constituents · 1858–1861. London

@M.A.R. Paafi was the worst!

M.A.R.

Haha OK, I thought his name included "Audi alteram partem"

@tchrist heh

It wasn't so funny back then though

I'm just amazed Qajars survived for as long as they did

They had a half competent eunuch founder

And another dictator.

tchrist

No, that's audi[verb second person imperative]=listen alteram[adjective accusative feminine singular]=the other partem[noun (feminine) accusative singular]=part,side,piece,faction,lot

Or party.

M.A.R.

6:46 PM

No other king with a single notable act. Unless you count Muhammad Ali that blew up Majles and was defeated by the resistance in Tabriz

tchrist

Aug 14 '12 at 15:04, by tchrist

@Robusto Chapter the Eleventh: In Which The Plot, Behaving In Much The Same Manner As A Soup To Which Cornstarch Has Been Added, Begins, At Last, To Thicken. (quoth Paarfi of Roundwood)

M.A.R.

😎

Mitch

@M.A.R. if you can work in 'au jus', then you'd have my vote.

LIKE PUTIN

tchrist

Jun 12 '14 at 15:17, by tchrist

> For a moment, no one spoke, and the silence may have become uncomfortable, perhaps even threatening, but then Zerika said, "Captain, speak to them."

Khaavren winced at this title, but he responded nevertheless, clearing his throat and saying, "Greetings. Are there horses to be purchased anywhere nearby? We have silver with which to pay for them."

There was murmuring, but, for a moment, no words could be distinguished.

Then, at last, a burly woman with heavy eyebrows said, "I have several, but they are a trifle winded just now, and should rest."

Mitch

Does Farsi have whiz-deletion?

tchrist

6:49 PM

Not enough!

> For a moment, no one spoke, and the silence may have become uncomfortable, perhaps even threatening, but then Zerika said, "Captain, speak to them."

Khaavren winced at this title, but he responded nevertheless, clearing his throat and saying, "Greetings. Are there horses to be purchased anywhere nearby? We have silver with which to pay for them."

There was murmuring, but, for a moment, no words could be distinguished.

Then, at last, a burly woman with heavy eyebrows said, "I have several, but they are a trifle winded just now, and should rest."

M.A.R.

@tchrist Hmm, potential next series of novels to read

Mitch

#igorpianist - Erik Satie Vexations

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For music lovers

tchrist

@M.A.R. Most excellent!

Mitch

watch all the way to the end

M.A.R.

Our titles included Al Saltaneh

Ashraf os-Saltaneh

Ashraf os-Saltaneh (Persian: اشرف السلطنه‎‎, 1863–1914) was an Iranian princesses and photographer of the Qajar period, known as one of the earliest women photographers and journalists in the period. After the death of her first husband, she preserved his daily journal, which she had helped write. It was published in 1966 and provides insight into court life and the personality of the monarch during the 19th century. == Early life == Ezzat Malek Khanoum was born in Kermanshah, Iran in 1863. Her father was Emamqoli Mirza Emaddollah, a governor of western Iran, who was the son of Mohammad Ali Mirza...

in Language Overflow, Jun 27 at 16:43, by M.A.R.

I VOTE PUTIN

Mitch

6:52 PM

"After the death of her first husband" ... that just makes me want to ask uncomfortably about the rest.

M.A.R.

@Mitch I'm not aware if they analyze it like that. Adverbs can appear pretty much anywhere you want. I have the impression there's much more freedom in their placement than in English

tchrist

@M.A.R. Many in that series.

M.A.R.

@tchrist Yep, I immediately Googled "Paarfi"

Your "Paafi" I thought was a joke pronunciations of Pahlavi

tchrist

Such was my intent.

M.A.R.

PING

Mitch

6:54 PM

I had to look up 'whiz-deletion'. It sounds too slangy to be a real thing.

tchrist

The fifth book in the Khaavren Romance, Sethra Lavode, was supposed to have been The Enchantress of Dzur Mountain but they couldn't fit it on the spine, or didn't care to.

Apr 27 '14 at 15:24, by tchrist

Dumas’s d’Artagnan Romances:
    1. The Three Musketeers
    2. Twenty Years After
    3. The Vicomte de Bragelonne, often published in three volumes:
        3.1 The Vicomte de Bragelonne
        3.2 Louise de la Vallière
        3.3 The Man in the Iron Mask

Brust’s Khaavren Romances:
    1. The Phoenix Guards
    2. Five Hundred Years After
    3. The Viscount of Adrilankha, published in three volumes:
        3.1 The Paths of the Dead
        3.2 The Lord of Castle Black
        3.3 The Enchantress of Dzur Mountain (published as Sethra Lavode)

I'd read Jhereg first, though.

Mitch

@tchrist Is this all Game of Thrones fan fiction?

Which is itself LotR fan fiction.

M.A.R.

@Mitch No it's LOTR spin-offs about behind-the-scenes things that happened but we didn't have time for

Mitch

Which is itself Beowulf fan fiction

Which is itself Homer fan fiction.

Which is itself Gilgamesh fan fiction

Which is itself Ba'albevaadra fan fiction.

M.A.R.

Which is itself Ice Age fan fiction

Mitch

6:58 PM

@M.A.R. Uh... the Silmarillion is Old Testament fan fiction

@M.A.R. Those guys really knew how to write

M.A.R.

@Mitch Especially Sid

Mitch

@M.A.R. The sloth? Yeah, it's all about him.

Literally.

tchrist

@Mitch I never fence with bedlamites.

Mitch

Thinly veiled autobiography

Mary-Jane

Or is it Mary Smith

> My father was married young, being at the time little more than twenty. My mother was his senior by a year or two. He brought her to his ancestral home, in a row of houses which faced the church. It was built of stone, and thatched, like all the others in the village (except the vicar's); a large rambling house with plenty of room in it; the shop on one side, with its...

Mary something.

tchrist

How much did we pay for Florida?

Any chance we could get our money back?

Mitch

7:03 PM

Mary Sue

A Mary Sue is a generic name for any fictional character who is so competent or perfect that this appears absurd, even in the context of the fictional setting. Mary Sues are often an author's idealized or flawless self-insertion. They may excel at tasks that should not be possible for them, or they may upstage the protagonist of a fictional setting, such as by saving them. They may disregard previously established aspects of the fiction such as characterization and natural laws. Mary Sue is a type of stock character. Mary Sue characters were first identified in fan fiction in 1973, but they have...

What I'm saying is is it's all messiah complexes all the way back.

tchrist

Martyr complexes.

> In 1819, after years of negotiations, Secretary of State John Quincy Adams achieved a diplomatic coup with the signing of the Florida Purchase Treaty, which officially put Florida into U.S. hands at no cost beyond the U.S. assumption of some $5 million of claims by U.S. citizens against Spain.

Mitch

@tchrist oh yeah. you always hear about the Louisiana Purchase, which surely had a price because it's right their in the name.

But Florida?

It just sorta used to be Spanish and gosh now it's all American.

M.A.R.

Watched American History X

tchrist

Looks like Spain would happily return the zero dólares we paid them for it.

Mitch

Did they just change the signs over the weekend when no one was looking?

tchrist

7:05 PM

You're thinking of I-19.

Mitch

@M.A.R. Shocking that it is totally not out of date.

M.A.R.

Probably not

Mitch

@tchrist Was that a treaty too like from the 7 years war?

M.A.R.

All the attempts at inclusiveness seem to hide racism under a rug at least as much as 'curing' it.

To oppose something is to maintain it

tchrist

You break it, you bought it.

Mitch

7:08 PM

Florida had become a burden to Spain, which could not afford to send settlers or garrisons. Madrid therefore decided to cede the territory to the United States through the Adams–Onís Treaty, which took effect in 1821.

tchrist

Looks like Florida's on track to break even New York's all-time high for number of newly reported Covid cases today. Can't wait to see the August RNCon/Firestorm.

M.A.R.

Edward Norton is such a likeable asshole in the movies that you wish he wasn't an apparently unlikeable asshole in real life

tchrist

The millipede-hydra never runs out of feet to shoot itself in.

Mitch

@M.A.R. Tom Hanks on the other hand is in real life desperate to be liked.

tchrist

I hear Cuba's got good doctors.

Mitch

7:14 PM

Even his evil characters, like that hitman one in Road to Perdition, was likeable.

@tchrist What are the stats there?

tchrist

@Mitch 2,361 cases, 86 deaths.

If Spain won't take Florida, I bet Cuba could meet the price.

11.5k new cases at 14% positivity; where's everybody they're clearly missing?

Fled to Brasil?

Maybe Texas.

Robusto

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room: In the autumn of our madness, we still go on talking. [phrase-requests] [pronunciation] [single-word-requests] [synonyms]

tchrist

Jonestown. Explains everything.

Robusto

Maybe Thrace?

tchrist

Mass suicide pushed on them by the resident personality-cult kook.

Robusto

7:21 PM

@Mitch He has made good box-office out of being inoffensive.

M.A.R.

@Mitch Desperate? I don't think he's desperate for that

tchrist

The Desperados

The Desperados is a 1969 Technicolor Western film directed by Henry Levin and starring Vince Edwards and Jack Palance. == Plot == A ruthless preacher, Parson Josiah Galt, leads a band of Southern marauders during the Civil War that includes his sons, David, Adam and Jacob. The parson has turned vengeful and sadistic since the death of his wife. David can no longer stomach what his family is doing. When his brother Adam tries to rape a girl in a Kansas town that the Galts have just raided and looted, David tries to leave. He is brought back, accused of "treason" by his own father and sentenced to...

M.A.R.

Well, I quite like him. Because I don't remember Larry Crowne when thinking of him, but Castaway and Gump and Saving Private Ryan

I think his looking indeed like a boring history teacher really worked in Saving.

If it was some big-jawed redneck, the movie would've felt really different.

tchrist

DJT the Lesser is driving all the back from Rushmore with his just-tested-positive girlfriend. What could be safer?

Mitch

@M.A.R. I mean I kinda like him.

But I'm just recognizing that everything he does is about that.

Some people just don't care if people don't like them.

Robert Downey Jr.

uh...

Satan?

That's all I got.

Robusto

7:38 PM

@M.A.R. Forrest Gump was the dumbest movie ever. A lot of "Myth of America" shenanigans, nothing more.

Here's the real story of idiots in the military during the Vietnam War:

Project 100,000

Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000), also known as McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons and McNamara's Misfits, was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements of the American government's involvement in the Vietnam War. Inductees of the project died at higher rates than other Americans serving in Vietnam and following their service had...

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