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3:00 PM
No idea who that is.
 
Neil Gorsuch.
He gave a smoothly smiling Senate performance for his nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court.
He's another bigbiznocrat.
 
Oh.
 
Most of us are rather less proud of Gorsuch than we are of Polis. Perhaps that's why we only elected the latter not the former.
 
Yeah.
It is eternally galling that such a vile shitstain of a president should get two SCOTUS picks.
 
Both lived in huge places in Niwot. Apparently Gorsuch sold his Niwot place for $1.625 million so he could move to Washington. Polis never did that when he served in the House but of course that's a rather more ephemeral seat. Sigh.
You too have a Udall as U.S. Senator.
One of my uncles, the one who would come to take on a national and international role, roomed with one of the Udalls of that generation in college.
Not Mark but a sibling.
Re Mo Udal:
> Raised Mormon, his spiritual views began to change. He ceased being active in church by the time he returned from military service. While in college, as he read philosophy and history, Udall abandoned his Mormon faith. In particular, he rejected the cultural view among some Church members of the time that black people were "cursed."
Unbelievable.
 
3:15 PM
Yeah. My brother-in-law, who is a Comp-Sci chair at Georgia Tech and racially Japanese, after getting his Ph.D. at Berkeley got his first job at University of Utah, where he left because it was made clear to him that he would never get tenure there.
 
The other day Mom mentioned that she was really surprised by the anti-Indian sentiment when we lived in Odgen UT for a brief time when I was a toddler, an attitude she found quite different than in Wisconsin towards our own Indians. That said, I had a thesis-partner in grad school who lived next door to one of those WI reservations and had a rather unkind predisposition.
He also moved to Silicon Valley right out of grad school and managed to get himself mugged twice in the first year there. Because both muggers were black, he found he had developed strong bias against blacks that he'd never had before.
 
There are two kinds of racism regarding Native Americans: one that believes they are inferior, and one that believes they are noble savages. They are merely human, for good or ill.
 
Yes.
And we've done them a great deal of ill.
Which has lasting, multigenerational effects, all bad.
 
@tchrist My other brother-in-law did his post-doc at Columbia, and was mugged three times going to or from the subway in Morningside Heights.
He doesn't have a problem with blacks, however.
 
Just with muggers? :)
 
3:22 PM
Pretty much.
 
I don't know that my friend retained his prejudice lifelong. I visited him in his second year there, and he was still pretty shaken.
 
My wife, btw, was robbed at gunpoint in Hyde Park, Chicago, and she doesn't have a problem with blacks either.
 
Just guns? :)
There are huge protest this weekend. I don't know where this is "going".
Well, except as possible virus superspreading events, but I'm hoping being outside will take the edge off that.
 
She used to walk home at night from her job at the U of Chicago library, and often police cars would shadow her on her way to make sure nothing happened to her.
 
The only big cities I've ever lived in are London and Madrid, rather long in the second. I never felt unsafe in either, although I now know there are places you don't want to cut through at night in London.
American kid I went to school with did manage to get himself robbed twice going to buy chocolate y hierba in the Malasaña district of Madrid where those were particularly easy to acquire on the street. But he was a dolt who always dressed as an American college kid and was loud with a terrible accent.
 
3:34 PM
I've spent a good deal of time in London, and I used to walk all the time. Of course, I'd stay in a hotel in Knightsbridge or South Kensington or, my favorite, Le Méridien on Piccadilly.
 
Plaza Dos de Mayo was the heart of it. But the cañameros I knew there were like-aged kids who happened to like to collect foreign postage stamps. This made me a welcome guest and him a mark.
 
Never been in Madrid.
 
It's a real city. It's also pretty safe.
 
I do want to visit a Spanish-speaking country, but I'm not sure which. Chile, possibly, or Colombia. I'm attracted to Argentina, but I think the accent would confound me.
 
Yeah.
 
3:36 PM
what about cuba?
 
Chile has some of that.
Not so much, but some.
 
@JohanLarsson That's certainly closer.
@tchrist I worked with a Chilean guy. Too bad that was before I started with Spanish.
 
can you take the bike to mexico?
 
He used to say td (the HTML name for a table cell element) the way an American would say "titty" ... which provided endless mirth.
@JohanLarsson Could. Wouldn't.
There are great places and things to see in Mexico, but there are also enormous dangers for gringos.
 
The Cuban accent is typical of the Caribbean. You have to "drop" a syllable-final "s" and compensate by "aspirating", changing the "close/tense" vowel to an "open/lax" one. So estás becoms ehtah and that e becomes the one from English get instead of the one from English gate.
 
3:42 PM
@tchrist Yeah, so I've heard. Argentina does that too, and a number of others.
 
Puerto Rico also does this, but for me the Cubans do it more strongly.
@Robusto That's because all the settlers came from Andalucía or the Islas Canarias.
 
I find that women don't drop the /s/ as much as men do.
 
Interesting.
You would find the same phenomenon in Sevilla or Córdoba or Granada etc.
 
That varies, I'm sure.
 
> To conservatives and liberals, the shutdown registered as a vastly different event. For eager reopeners on the right, the shutdown was received as a tyrannical infringement upon freedom and prosperity. For liberals, the shutdown was a necessary shared loss incurred to protect vulnerable people, and the rapid reopening was received as lethally hostile to the collective good.
Sigh.
 
3:50 PM
What did you expect? Faux News cranked up its outrage machine and those are the results.
 
I feel that media have ruined our democracy.
Twitter, Facebook, Fucks News.
 
sad that things are so polarized
not much constructive going on
 
If you mean much in the way of constructive dialogue, yeah, that no longer happens.
The Trumpist crazies took over from the tea-party crazies who took over the Gingrinch crazies, and now we're so far removed from reasoned civil discourse I don't know to ever get back there.
 
wonder what things will be like in ten years, social media only
 
> The fascist speech Donald Trump just delivered verged on a declaration of war against American citizens. I fear for our country tonight and will not stop defending America against Trump’s assault. —Sen. Ron Wyden
 
3:54 PM
He's always polite to the fascists like that.
 
@tchrist I didn't mean just the country you live in, we have seen the same here the last 20 years or so
 
What frightens me is that we no longer have a suffiiciently educated populace to recognize fascism when they see it.
@JohanLarsson Would that it were dead, but it won't be.
But I don't know what it will be.
 
We just had a record turnout in NM for the primaries—at forty percent! Seriously, who are these people who don't vote? Apparently you can throw a rock on the street and be likely to hit a non-voter.
 
The median age in New Mexico is 34.
 
record low?
 
3:59 PM
No, record high.
That's a very high percentage for here.
At least in primaries, sometimes others.
 
huh, weird during a pandemic, maybe people are bored?
who wins in new mexico?
 
NM is solidly a blue state right now.
In fact, the big action was progressive Democrats against centrist Democrats. And the progressives won.
 
in sweden the left are red and conservatives blue
 
@JohanLarsson Americans don't know the history of red=left.
 
4:03 PM
@tchrist always a slight shock as a swede when americans have numbers per race like that
 
Modulo the Red Chinese.
@Robusto So New Mexico has a lot of young voters and a lot of Hispanic voters, which are the two categories least likely to vote.
 
wasn't russia red also?
 
It was.
Red Square.
 
Red means different things in different languages.
 
Well, but this was always in English.
Thing is Americans are almost never educated about anything outside America.
This is less likely to be true of littler countries all clustered together.
 
4:06 PM
Well, how about Central America? There are some pretty significant differences in Spanish between some pretty small countries.
 
That's still a lot more countries in that continent than in our own.
And older ones, too.
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> The political associations of a given colour vary from country to country, and there are exceptions to the general trends. For example, red has been previously associated to monarchy or the Church, and today it is also the colour associated with the conservative Republican Party in the United States.
> Blue is usually associated with centre-right or conservative parties
Yes, that's the American Democratic Party.
Only Sanders is other than center-right in national politics, or almost so.
And he's an Independent not a Democrat in his senatorial position.
 
I've been reading Empire of the Summer Moon, and it really puts Spanish colonization into perspective. I mean, you know the Spanish have been on the continent for 500 years, but when you realize that, say, the Comanche went from a pedestrian stone-age hunter-gatherer people to the most formidable mounted warriors this side of the Mongols based on horses introduced by the Spanish over three hundred years, that puts things into a special perspective.
 
The American red/blue weirdness only really became a thing since the year 2000.
 
How do you define fascist? authoritative nationalist?
 
@JohanLarsson Times ten.
 
4:19 PM
trump is one?
 
Certainly. By any definition.
And just look at him, posturing like Mussolini. That is the very picture of fascism.
 
he quoted mussolini at some point iirc
 
Yes.
More to the point, he advocates "dominating the streets" and threatens to call out the U.S. Army to make war on American citizens.
 
how are the recent events seen by his supporters?
I don't follow us politics much, even less than swedish polictis
 
> Lacking in humanity, Trump has had no idea how to handle either [the Covid-19 crisis or the social unrest]. He has responded to the police-brutality protests only by making matters worse. Faced with circumstances warranting calls for calm and restraint, he answered with almost sadistic invitations for more violence, fulminating about “THUGS” and extrajudicially “shooting” looters, issuing threats about “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons,” and celebrating “Domination” and “Overwhelming force.”
That, I submit, is fascism.
 
4:26 PM
He will win again in november right?
 
I don't think so. Not without foul play, which is always a possibility.
 
do you think he will be classy in defeat?
 
5:00 PM
what does "black political power" mean?
 
@JohanLarsson What do you think? Has anything in his nature ever seemed "classy" to you? Has he ever been generous, forbearing, temperate, noble, or self-effacing?
 
:)
I was being silly
 
Indeed.
 
He will never concede.
> The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January
But it's very hard to avoid that line in the US Constitution.
So in the end, it won't matter that he'll have refused to concede.
But November will be miserable.
The votes won't be counted for a long time after Election Day.
> Candidates across Pa. have no idea if they won or lost their primary elections: ‘It sucks’
 
5:17 PM
> Trump’s behavior is conscienceless, showing utter disregard for the safety of others, consistent irresponsibility, callousness, cynicism and disrespect of other human beings. Contempt for truth and honesty, and for norms, rules and laws. A complete inability to feel remorse, or guilt. As a New Yorker profile of Trump put it nearly a quarter-century ago, Trump lives “an existence unmolested by the rumbling of a soul.” That’s Donald Trump’s problem yesterday, today and tomorrow.
And, unfortunately, it's our problem too.
 
Have you no sense of decency, sir?

What's that?
> Election officials haven’t finished counting the vote because they are grappling with an influx of more than 1.4 million mail ballots after the state implemented no-excuse absentee voting for the first time ever amid a pandemic, widespread protests and riots. In Philadelphia, the biggest city in the state, only about 14,000 of nearly 160,000 mail and absentee ballots had been tallied as of Friday afternoon.
> Said one high-ranking Democratic elected official in the state: “It could, under the right circumstances lead to a constitutional crisis. Can you imagine what Donald Trump would say when they’re still counting ballots in ‘crooked, dirty, Democratic’ Philadelphia three days after the election?”
So November will be miserable. What else is news?
> Spread butter on one slice of bread. Layer with onion slices, and season with salt and pepper. Top with remaining slice of bread. Cut in either halves or quarters, and serve.
The best social-distancing sandwich ever.
 
Social distancing is annoying, typical for our time. What matters is physical distance or just distance.
 
Of course.
It's a misleading word.
WEll, term.
 
It is typical in that it is a more complicated way of being less precise.
Not faulting you for using it of course.
 
You could replace the onions with garlic in case of vampires.
 
5:31 PM
It is a pet peeve of mine, two word combinations like that, in swedish it is usually one long word. Bristsituation
Common from academics.
 
5:58 PM
pet peeve - Fig. a frequent annoyance; one's "favorite" or most often encountered annoyance.
 
maybe I used it wrong, first time I used it :)
 
 
2 hours later…
7:53 PM
academese -. language typical of academies or the world of learning; pedantic language.
legalese - The specialized or technical language of the legal profession, especially when considered to be complex or abstruse.
 
8:07 PM
@JohanLarsson Auch auf Deutsch.
 
you mean combined words?
I don't mean academese, it is a different thing, I'm after inventing longer words for the only purpose to sound fancy.
Don't have a list of examples but could harvest for a couple of days.
 
8:26 PM
@JohanLarsson Yes. Word agglomerations.
For example Selbstbedienungsrestaurant is German for cafeteria: "self-service restaurant."
So there's really no sense in asking what the longest word in German is. Better to ask what the longest German word is today.
 
swedish has the same system
 
So I gather.
 
that is not annoying, it is what it is
 
And here's another: Rechtsschutzversicherungsgesellschaften.
@JohanLarsson I never said or implied that it is annoying. Amusing, perhaps.
 
8:42 PM
but the tendency to invent new words by combining when there are words available
I should come up with some examples
 
That's where English normally shines. We have four or five words for anything.
Shortest article ever in The Economist: Under the "category" Counting Words, and titled The biggest vocabulary?, here's the article in its entirety: There's no meaningful way to show that "English has the most words of any language".
 
paywall
 
The annotations must fill volumes.
I like that the article appears to be written by "Language Johnson" ...
@RegDwigнt take note. ^
 
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