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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
4:08 AM
> When using this standard, it is advisable to check the validity of reference standards and classifiers according to the National Standards Index as of January 1 of the current year, and according to the respective information indexes for the current year.
A classifier in Russian is a list of objects with corresponding unique codes.
In English, it's most likely a 'false translator's friend'
What might be a better alternative? "Nomenclatures"?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:36 AM
@CowperKettle Maybe look-up tables?
I don't understand the context well enough.
Other words to consider: classification, index, identification table.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
4:47 AM
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Q: Medical instruments for pushing something out of the way

CopperKettleIn the Russian classification of medical instruments, some instruments are grouped under the title "medical instruments for moving aside": The description says: "Instruments whose working surfaces are paddle- or jaw-shaped and are connected by hinges, screws, or springs, and which se...

terminology surgery
 
tchrist
tchrist
5:06 AM
> But since then, travel and commerce between China and the rest of the world has increased manifold.
Odd adverb, that.
> Thus shall loues followers be thrise happy, and thus Robin goodfellowes well-willers, in imitating his care, bee manifolde blessed.
> Then when his daughter deare he does behold, Her dearely doth imbrace, and kisseth manifold.
> By an active and timely application of part of that capital to such improvements.., a revenue will be created so manifold more valuable to the state than the most usurious interest, a word more need not to be added!
> It was found necessary to clear the entire piers from the mass of onlookers, or else the fatalities of the night would have increased manifold.
> The welcome we received was overwhelming but..the hospitality extended to us was..repaid manifold.
That Late Old English citation is:
> lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) anno 641 Þæs [sc. Oswald's] halines & wundor wæron syððan manigfealde gecydde geond his [read ðis] egland.
> From Middle English manifold, from Old English maniġfeald (“manifold, various, varied, complicated, numerous, abundant, plural”), from Proto-Germanic *managafalþaz, equivalent to many +‎ -fold. Cognate with Middle High German manecvalt (“manifold”), Icelandic margfaldr (“multiple”). Compare also German mannigfaltig (“various”), Dutch menigvoudig (“various”), Danish mangefold (“multiple”), Swedish mångfald (“diversity”).
> From Middle English -fold, -fald, -fauld, from Old English -feald (“-fold”), from Proto-Germanic *-falþaz (“-fold”), from Proto-Indo-European *-poltos (“-fold”), from *pel- (“to fold”). Cognate with Dutch -voud, German -fach, Swedish -faldig (“-fold”), Latin -plus, -plex, Ancient Greek -παλτος (-paltos), -πλος (-plos), -πλόος (-plóos). More at fold.
> (Old English -feald, Northumbrian -fald, Middle English -fald, -fold), corresponds to Old Frisian, Old Saxon -fald (Dutch -voud), Old High German -falt (Middle High German -valt, modern German -falt), Old Norse -faldr (Swedish -fald, Danish -fold), Gothic -falþs; cognate with fold v.1, and with the equivalent Greek -παλτος, -πλασιος, also, more remotely, with Greek -πλο- in ἁπλός single, διπλός double (= Latin duplus), and probably with the Latin (sim-, du-, tri-) plex. Like the Greek and Latin equivalents, the Germanic suffix is appended to cardinal numerals (and adjectives meaning ‘man…
Lest ever ye be tempted to think Etymonline or Wiktionary compares with the OED in dept of analysis.
And that's even still the OED2; they haven't gotten to it yet for the OED3.
> .... indeed the latter seem to be (in many dialects) no longer current among illiterate people.
Ya know, there's a whole lotta that goin round.
That's quadruple and quintuple they're referencing there.
> The introduction of the Romanic synonyms double and treble or triple, to which were afterwards added the adapted Latin quadruple, quintuple, etc., has considerably narrowed the use of the derivatives in -fold; indeed the latter seem to be (in many dialects) no longer current among illiterate people.
Least, I think that's what they've meant.
 
 
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Færd
Færd
12:04 PM
There are a number of problems with it, but see where the Political Coordinates Test locates you.
 
 
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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:19 PM
@CowperKettle what's the Russian word? Классификатор? Classifier should be okay in that case.
Hierarchical classification
A hierarchical classifier is a classifier that maps input data into defined subsumptive output categories. The classification occurs first on a low-level with highly specific pieces of input data. The classifications of the individual pieces of data are then combined systematically and classified on a higher level iteratively until one output is produced. This final output is the overall classification of the data. Depending on application-specific details, this output can be one of a set of pre-defined outputs, one of a set of on-line learned outputs, or even a new novel classification that hasn...
That page actually takes you to классификатор if you switch to Russian.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
> Your political coordinates are:
30.6% Left, completely in the middle between Liberal and Communitarian
Doctor, is it bad?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Nah, that's not even left by any sane standard. By European standards, that's far right.
I'm moderately left by those, and if I took that test it would probably explode and get me on all the watch lists in the world.
Jesus Christ, the questions are all over the map.
On some I'm far on the right, on others further left than I can possibly express.
On quite a few, I'm dead in the middle.
Very complex questions reduced to a five-word statement and a gamut of five possible answers.
> Western civilization has benefited more from Christianity than from the ideas of Ancient Greece.
How the fuck am I supposed to answer that. Who am I to even try.
How can I weigh Pythagoras vs Bach.
> Capital punishment should be an option in some cases.
Ugh. Weasel wording FTW.
No civilized country still has it. But Russia does still have it on paper. Even though they've not made use of it for three decades now. And that's sort of my stance really. No idea. Now where do I click to say "no idea".
2.8% Left, 50% Liberal
Who the fuck is M. Friedman anyway.
I only know one Michel Friedman, who is a German Jew that got in trouble for supporting human traficking because he likes Ukrainian prostitutes. Well, not really prostitutes, that's the point. Just Ukrainian girls to be made into prostitutes by force.
I'd rather not be that close to that kind of guy.
Michel Friedman
Michel Friedman (German pronunciation: [miˈʃɛl ˈfʁiːtman]; born 25 February 1956 in Paris) is a German lawyer, former CDU politician and talk show host. From 2000 to 2003 Friedman was vice president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, and president of the European Jewish Congress from 2001 to 2003. From 1998 to 2003 he had his own show on German television. Since 2004 he has been hosting a weekly talk show on N24 called Studio Friedman. Friedman is a lawyer by profession and studied law and philosophy. == Early life and education == Friedman was born to a Polish-Jewish family. His parents...
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2:54 PM
@Robusto it's interesting, isn't it, how they never go to the trouble of redacting the missing bits for length.
You see a black bar the span of two letters and you go, well that must be "of" or "at". That kind of thing.
It's even worse when they blacken entire passages not as a single whole, but each word individually.
On that note, if you want to see the place where I was born, and read a paragraph or two about my childhood, you can do that at musescore.com/user/27897310/scores/5994006 (And optionally listen to some music I sketched out just last night, if you're into that kind of horrible thing.)
Have you come across that wonderful word in German, Seelenstriptease? Striptease of the soul.
Anyway. Witness me modulate from E♭ major to H minor on a dime. I never even knew that was possible. But apparently it is. Shrug.
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
4:18 PM
Milton Friedman
Milton Friedman (; July 31, 1912 – November 16, 2006) was an American economist who received the 1976 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his research on consumption analysis, monetary history and theory and the complexity of stabilization policy. With George Stigler and others, Friedman was among the intellectual leaders of the Chicago school of economics, a neoclassical school of economic thought associated with the work of the faculty at the University of Chicago that rejected Keynesianism in favor of monetarism until the mid-1970s, when it turned to new classical macroeconomics heavily...
Famous economist in the 1950's. Famous for being far right capitalist/free market. Famous for advising the Pinochet/Chilean government on economic policy (and getting tarnished with the negative aspects of that government).
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:38 PM
@Mitch well no wonder I don't know him. He's got a Nobel prize. Fuck those guys. That's a list of nobodies if there ever was one.
Name just the last five ones for literature, say. No googling.
 
Færd
Færd
5:14 PM
@M.A.R. It's interesting!
@RegDwigнt See, flawed as it was, it didn't put you on any watch lists!
I just don't get why it calls the green area "social democracy". I don't think you have to be reactionary by virtue of being a social democrat. Am I wrong? The labels are a bit messed up I think.
And Obama is definitely not so far to the left.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
5:50 PM
@RegDwigнt But that page is about an algorithm, not about a list of textual lines.
 
 
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Cerberus
Cerberus
8:08 PM
@Færd I think this test is somewhat odd.
In my country, most of the choices I picked are mainstream.
And I know of only one Western country that has things like capital punishment and no public healthcare: those choices should be irrelevant in the West.
Nobody would choose those things.
And what do left and right even mean?
And, aesthetico-culturally, I'm conservative, but it doesn't show in the graph.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> 𝒬: What are the parsnips to the parson?

𝒜₁: The clever quips he spits out of his pulpit.
𝒜₂: The purpurean philigree adorning his tippet.
𝒜₃: The pasty neeps of his winter garden.
𝒜₄: The fragant petroselinum of his summer garden.
𝒜₅: His youngest and most treasured Sunday-school pupils.
𝒜₆: The fruit of his loins.
 
 
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Færd
Færd
9:23 PM
@tchrist They're the turpentine to the arson
Ie, a6
@Cerberus I think you are right. As the example names suggest, it's probably written for Americans, and even so it's poorly designed.
The horizontal axis represents economics, and the vertical axis is related to your cultural stance or something, to the extent that is politically relevant.
Here's a list of the questions:

Left:
1. The government should redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor.
2. My country should give more foreign and developmental aid to third-world countries.
3. Equality is more important than economic growth.
4. There is at heart a conflict between the interest of business and the interest of society.
5. Government spending with the aim of creating jobs is generally a good idea.
6. Import tariffs on foreign products are a good way to protect jobs in my country.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt Nice, and good work. But you promised a flute part and you only coughed up a fragment. My ear was interpolating staccato counterpoints over your limelight-hogging violin, in the last three bars.
Especially there, I should say.
 
 
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Cerberus
Cerberus
11:01 PM
@Færd Ah!
Some of those "liberal" choices are not quite liberal, such as abolishing the monarchy, or not going to war without UN support.
And it has nothing whatsoever about economic liberalism.
I'm also feel that "communitarian" as a term doesn't quite cover all its questions, but I kind of understand why they chose that.
Though it is often also used economically, which isn't in the questions.
If we read "left" as "redistribution of wealth" or "helping the weak", it covers the questions fairly well.
If we read "right" as "less redistribution of wealth", or "less government in the economy", idem.
 
Færd
Færd
@Cerberus I think that's the "economic liberalism" part.
Liberal is equivocal, yes, because of its economic connotations, but here it's not meant as that on the vertical axis.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Færd Yes.
 
Færd
Færd
I don't get why abolishing the monarchy is not liberal tho. Is it because it's just an empty skin and of no consequence?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Færd Right answer!
 
Færd
Færd
Easy
I shouldv'e started reading from that last choice.
Returning to that chart, it was funny to see Cerb was to my left in economics.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:30 PM
@Færd I'm going to be cocky here: the question may have been written by someone who was unable to understand that European monarchies are almost entirely powerless; this person may think that monarchs and nobility oppress people, or make laws violating people's freedoms.
@Færd You dirty, right-leaning liberal!
 
Færd
Færd
11:42 PM
Hahaha
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Færd Half the questions my answer would be 'it depends'
 
Færd
Færd
@Cerberus You smug-face monarchy-praising communist!
 
Mitch
Mitch
The other half were 'I don't know, maybe, maybe not'
 
Færd
Færd
@Mitch True.
You have five options from strong disagreement to no idea to strong agreement
 
Mitch
Mitch
Like the monarchy in Naboo is elected. So it's OK to keep.
 
Færd
Færd
11:43 PM
For each question
 
Mitch
Mitch
the middle option is 'meh'
 
Færd
Færd
Yeah but the test is good for amusement and entertaining
 
Mitch
Mitch
which is not the same as 'it depends' which is different from 'I don't know'
 
Færd
Færd
@Mitch I think it's specifically designed for an American
The test is
 
Mitch
Mitch
Yes.
'communitarian' is a new word to me though
 
Færd
Færd
11:45 PM
And even so, it's not well designed.
They just wanted to avoid reactionary
 
Mitch
Mitch
they were honest in their simplification
they knew they were leaving things out.
 
Færd
Færd
But they were ignorant to. They call the green zone "social democracy".
 
Mitch
Mitch
well, 'social democrat' is the term used in the US for that.
 
Færd
Færd
For a culturally conservative leftist?
 
Mitch
Mitch
not the best term
@Færd oh. uh...
maybe that 'comunitarian' is confusing me.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:50 PM
@Færd Yay!
@Mitch The Holy Roman Emperor?
 
Mitch
Mitch
anyway, quizzes are fun
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The Dutch Stadholder?
 
Færd
Færd
@Mitch That was the point
Catch y'all on the flip side
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Færd That makes little sense to me.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Færd YOu're .a DJ?
Form the 1970's?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:52 PM
@Mitch That's because it doesn't really cover its questions very well.
 
Mitch
Mitch
How many questions were there?
It's like those psych tests that determine your personality in a matrix of 16 possibilities but with only 20 questions.
 

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