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New Historians

The New Historians (Hebrew: ההיסטוריונים החדשים‎, HaHistoryonim HaChadashim) are a loosely defined group of Israeli historians who have challenged traditional versions of Israeli history, including Israel's role in the Palestinian Exodus in 1948 and Arab willingness to discuss peace. The term was coined in 1988 by Benny Morris, one of the leading New Historians. According to Ethan Bronner of The New York Times, the New Historians have sought to advance the peace process in the region.Much of the primary source material used by the group comes from Israeli government papers that were newly available...

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3:44 PM

@Færd A history of history.

Maybe I'm weird, but I thought all that was kinda obvious. For example, no one abandons their home 'voluntarily'.

But good to have someone say it out loud.

NO ONE ABANDONS THEIR HOME VOLUNTARILY

I can't scream louder than that.

@Færd I know a few people I can ask about this

@Mitch By "all that" you mean the five points under Main Arguments?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Ask what?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ THERE'S ALSO BOLD -AND- ITALIC. I DON'T THINK ITALICS ADDS ANYTHING.

Emojis maybe?

@Færd Yes, the five points.

@Færd Native Israelis, they could maybe say a little bit about 'public opinion'

@Mitch Interesting. They fly in the face of much of what I hear from mainstream American media about them, for example.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Unless it's a poll, I'm uninterested.

3:54 PM

@Færd ditto

Here's a weird question. Is there a population of English (respectively French) who remained in India (Cambodia/Vietnam) after the colonial rule was abandoned?

A few, maybe? A large number would prolly not have been tolerated.

There was a scene in Apocalypse Now, that was removed, of the American captain visiting a farm run by French farmers, in Vietnam in the 1960's. I thought that was weird, and wondered if it is historically accurate.

Ah.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm pretty sure it's not monolithic. Loads of Israelis are not anti-Palestinian and understand actual history.

3:58 PM

@Mitch It'd still mean something if they haven't even heard of these people

They may very well be a minority. That's the impression I got from their recent election campaigns.

Actually, I'm too lazy to ask

@Færd I don't hear -any- of that stuff, one way or the other, from mainstream American media. All I get is "Palestinians bad. Israel is the American's friend in the region"

@Færd Oh. Yeah. It's messed up.

Al of the neighboring countries of Israel are outright enemies (though all nonaggressors at this point), so Israel treats the Palestinians like the enemy, like Russia thought of the Nazis in WWII.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, to @Færd's point, a vote is even -more- reliable than a poll.

Uhh that is a wild exaggeration.

@Cerberus Of course it is.

4:05 PM

Why?

Why what? Why do -you- think it is a wild exaggeration?

Putting dashes like that makes me think you're squinting while saying it

Because I can't read the 'you'.

@Mitch Why exaggerate.

@Mitch It's so weird! It's like a word that's been cut off.

4:13 PM

@Cerberus It's a rhetorical trope.

Maybe "nou" misspelled

'nou' is already misspelled

NOUR MISSPELLED

"nour" is "light" in Persian

@Mitch nou

That's better.

I know it only as a name.

4:25 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ and "pour" is city.

We should take one of those boat trips in Paris at night for a bit

It'd be called:

a nour pour tour heure

for sure

about this, I sense there's a

furor

I should be more...

demure

For this there is no...

procurement.

cure

I was going to say 'cure'

But you're not wrong

Oh, really? I had no idea.

Whence my word's including yours.

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RegDwigнt

9:19 PM

@Robusto I'm not saying it would be eschewed by the players. I am saying it might would be eschewed by the composer. Or not. I'm not Bach I can't tell. I can only tell that every time I change a note of his for the violin, I have a thorough look over my shoulder if he's standing there ready to stab me to death with a baroque bow.

Most of the time he isn't. But some of the time I could swear he's just really good at ambushing.

@Cerberus meh. Clearly that answer of yours is just a direct calque from Russian.

Also, what is Colin Fine doing on Latin. I thought he had taste.

And the asker is one @Mitch, eh. Well we knew about that one's lack of taste.

Is this an invasion of Latin by ELU? Or is that just the greener pasture everyone's moved on to but myself?

In that case I'll go over to Latin and ask how calcitrans relates to caleçons. That's the more pressing question really.

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