English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:00 AM

Not all native speakers can tell an ſ from an f, though.

And not all books are Winnie the Pooh.

Knowing how to order fries or being able to laugh at TV shows is not the same as reading comprehension.

i'm not saying everyone here is a bonafide expert, but most of us are a darn site better than google's original OCR readings

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That much is true.

FumbleFingers

Per my comment to hugo's answer here, it's hard to see how anything other than a cagey eye would detect that it was a misreading of eager eye

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Hah.

FumbleFingers

prolly an unfair Q, seeing you not actually native english, but i'm pretty sure a "cagey eye" can be validly understood as a "careful, watchful eye", no?

yes - just ran search in google books - of course it can!

anyway - time for me to roll a spliff and watch Dirk Gently.... cya!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:14 AM

CU. I'm off as well. And I think this question was my first encounter with the word.

FumbleFingers

it won't be the last. nitey-nite!

KitFox

12:40 AM

Damn, I was going to swoop in, but Reg got there first.

2

Q: What is the difference between "I have become X" and "I am become X?"

Possible Duplicate: Is it acceptable to use “is become” instead of “has become”? I am become the Encapsulator. I have become the Encapsulator. Until someone in the Stack Overflow chatroom mentioned it, I have never considered the first version to be...

grammar

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Gah. And now the OP accepts the answer that speculates that this is a wrong translation!

Facepalm.

Well sorry, now I have to delete it.

KitFox

Poor fluffy owl.

Hover Pods are evil.

Also, Wasteland Skimmers.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:59 AM

He also hasn't upvoted the original answer by Kosmo.

I don't understand people.

Aren't they actually interested in an answer?

KitFox

People are stupid.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But the whole point of asking a question is to become smarter, no?

KitFox

No. Ask Vitaly. He'll explain it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well Vitaly can't become smarter, so he's excused.

KitFox

No, I meant Vitaly could explain the point of asking a question.

> There is too many!

WTF is wrong with people?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:03 AM

Vitaly is way too busy single-handedly handing singularity's ass right back to it.

KitFox

That's from one of the WMT dialog boxes in the new release.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I don't feel like disturbing.

KitFox

What?

How so?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Who?

Where?

@KitFox serves you right for reading it.

KitFox

How does that even sound right to someone?

That's the thing that bothers me.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:05 AM

There's + plural is perfectly grammatical nowadays.

KitFox

There's, not "there is"

Kogoth, the Consumer = sneaky subliminal marketing?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@KitFox Exactly. But you don't use contractions in formal writing.

Someone wanted to sound sophisticated.

KitFox

headdesk

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well I am fairly certain that's the explanation.

I bet you several tögrög he would write "ai not", too.

KitFox

So they figured "That sounds completely wrong, but my English is horrific, so it must be right and sophisticated."

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:08 AM

It doesn't sound wrong.

Otherwise they wouldn't be using it in the first place.

KitFox

Yes, it does. It sounds stupid and unnatural.

It sounds like someone who doesn't know how to speak.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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A: Is "there're" (similar to "there's") a correct contraction?

There're is common in speech, at least in certain dialects, but you'll rarely see it written. If I were being pedantic, I'd advise you to use there are in your example, because there is is definitely wrong, so there's could be considered wrong as well. But a huge number of English speakers, even ...

KitFox

And again "there's" doesn't bother me as much as "there is."

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But writing!

Next thing you tell me, we are allowed to end sentences prepositions in!

KitFox

grumpy face

You're worse than the dentist.

Oh, sorry. Your wurse then the dentist.

Lots of peoples does it that way, so that makes it rite.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:13 AM

Well don't look at me. I haven't written that shit. I am not going around inventing ungrammatical stuff on a daily basis in the hopes that it will become grammatical one day. Only native speakers do that.

And if history is any lesson, your children will teach your grandchildren "your wurse then" as the correct spelling.

KitFox

No, they will be arguing in whatever the modern equivalent of a chat room is that "Ur wurse then" is completely unacceptable and stupid sounding.

Now this:

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Q: "it is unlikely" and double "that" correct grammar?

Possible Duplicate: How do you handle “that that”? The double “that” problem I am puzzled about the following phrase It is unlikely the cat ran away. vs. It is unlikely that the cat ran away. is "that" needed ? If yes, what about phrases such as It is un...

grammar that

Oh, never mind.

You got it as I was pasting it here?

That's just freaky.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I am still searching for the dupe of his first question.

Damnit, ever since Lauren changed its title I can never find it.

KitFox

Which?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Are there rules about using "that" to join two clauses?

He will understand that I was not joking. He will understand I was not joking. Which of the sentences is correct? Are there any specific rules about the use of "that" in the sentences I reported as example?

grammaticality conjunctions complex-sentences

That's the question about omitting "that". The other one is about the double "that".

KitFox

Oh, you mean the first question in that question. I got it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

1:19 AM

Yeah. He actually managed to ask two dupes in one.

And both of those originals have a zillion dupes already.

I also see that my suggestion from earlier today has been implemented already. The questions are now tagged with random words from the title. This one here is tagged that!

KitFox

The grammar of that.

KitFox

1:31 AM

Good night!

Robusto

1:59 AM

@igormilla Just kidding ya. I kid all the Russians in this room. U2.

user19161

@Robusto U2 is a T-shirt brand.

user19161

@KitFox Good night! That is early for you.

user19161

3:16 AM

-2

Q: Can "Do a haircut" be used colloquially the same as "have a haircut"?

Can the same meaning be implied from 'do a haircut' in informal day to day English as 'had a haircut'?

grammar

user19161

This has me wondering. Are there people in this room who heard "do a haircut" for "have a haircut" anywhere?

Robusto

@WillHunting Maybe in Singapore. Over here they are a cosmically pretentious '80s band.

user19161

@Robusto Hmm OK. It seems that almost everything is the name of a magazine, T-shirt or band. But I don't recall hearing "do a haircut" either.

Robusto

►

@WillHunting See my comment on that question. The link is to the video above.

user19161

-1

Q: Positive verb that begins with "q"?

I am writing a list of verbs following the ABCs that show positive actions in relationships. (For example: admire, believe...) However, I am having a lot of trouble with Q. Any suggestions for a verb that begins with Q to add to this list? Thank you!

verbs connotation

user19161

3:26 AM

I think crossword puzzle type questions should be off-topic.

user19161

4:38 AM

-1

Q: What's meaning of the word "goodies"

I see this word being used widely on internet, but I can't construe its meaning clearly. Could you explain it thoroughly?

single-word-requests internet

user19161

Clearly general reference, minus ten!

Cerberus

@Vitaly: What do you think these black lines are?

The system was operational until 2002, and it is slowly being repaired.

And it is very cool.

The location is Prague.

And what happened to your poor icon?

user19161

What's with the goodies question?

user19161

And also the answer.

user19161

4:53 AM

Please nuke it from orbit!

user19161

I guess all the nukers have gone to bed. Over and out!

Vitaly

@Cerberus pneumatic tubes (because you said “cool” and because they converge in the centre)

Cerberus

@Vitaly Wow! I am impressed.

Did you research it online?

Vitaly

No

I gave you the reasons above, for chrissakes

Cerberus

OK I was just checking whether that was everything.

Vitaly

5:08 AM

oh and because you said “operational”, which made me think of something along those lines

Cerberus

Yeah all those things were supposed to be gentle clues.

►

This is also really cool.

For paraplegics, but I like the concept very much.

Vitaly

I am stuck at Level 20 in Clockwords. I give up.

David Wallace

@Cerberus They're clearly roads somewhere in Czech republic or Slovakia.

Oh, sorry, I've just noticed that you said it was Prague.

But they are roads. "Most" means bridge.

Vitaly

@DavidWallace Roads that converge in the centre?

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Nope, not roads.

David Wallace

5:18 AM

You

're proposing that they're railway lines or tramlines? Seems unlikely!

(Why is the enter key on my laptop so close to the apostrophe?)

Cerberus

No, and no.

David Wallace

So you already know what these are, and you're just finding out how much less clever other people are than you?

Cerberus

I would never have guessed.

I just copied the picture from somewhere and thought it might be a nice puzzle.

With that I leave you here.

Have fun!

Mahnax

Hello.

user19161

@Mahnax It's the goodies question. Is there some subtlety I am missing?

Mahnax

5:32 AM

@WillHunting Hm, lemme see.

Looks pretty basic to me.

David Wallace

hi

Mahnax

I'll VTC.

user19161

@Mahnax In fact I think it is the worst question ever.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Nah.

David Wallace

Five distinct parts?

user19161

5:36 AM

@Mahnax There is nothing a dictionary check does not explain.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Yup.

user19161

It's like asking what a "cat" or "dog" is.

user19161

Of course cats and dogs have quite different meanings only in this room.

Mahnax

Haha.

user19161

@Mahnax I am going to sleep!

Mahnax

5:45 AM

@WillHunting Okay, good night.

Matt Эллен

9:16 AM

Is this a question about copulas?

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Q: Why do we put the verb to be at the end of these questions?

Look at the following questions - can anyone give a simple grammatical explanation as to why we put the verb to be at the end of these questions: Can you tell me where the hospital is? Do you know where the children are? Do you know what the answer is? This is confusing to learners as they a...

grammar questions

I'm trying to understand what a copula is

Vitaly

9:27 AM

OK I can't figure out this portmanteau word (if it's one): trunclade. I'm guessing the second part is clade, but what is the first one? Truncate doesn't make sense to me in the context.

And it's definitely some sort of wordplay, as per a quote that comes up in Google for trunclade:

> You’d almost need to be a synthesist to pull it off (would you know how to convey “Trunclade” in French? How about “pull your eyes over my wool”* in Russian?)

Matt Эллен

@Vitaly perhaps truncate is related to vasectomy AKA the cut

Vitaly

Hmm.

David Wallace

Never heard of trunclade, sorry.

I have nothing between trunchy and truncus.

Vitaly

@MattЭллен Well, truncating a clade doesn't quite make sense unless you assume that the person who got the vasectomy is the only living descendant of the clade's common ancestor. But yeah, that's a possibility.

Or unless you assume that Peter Watts would have gone for coining a portmanteau word from two words that are only related through the context…

David Wallace

9:46 AM

I think that "clade" here applies to all of the guy's spermatozoa. Which doesn't strictly fit, but it's close enough, with a little poetic licence.

So it's reasonable to portmanteau it with "truncate".

Vitaly

Hmm, yeah, thanks, that makes more sense.

Matt Эллен

10:27 AM

I think this is a duplicate

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Q: Why do we put the verb to be at the end of these questions?

Look at the following questions - can anyone give a simple grammatical explanation as to why we put the verb to be at the end of these questions: Can you tell me where the hospital is? Do you know where the children are? Do you know what the answer is? This is confusing to learners as they a...

grammar questions

of this

3

Q: Changing subject and verb positions in statements and questions

We always change subject and verb positions in whenever we want to ask a question such as What is your name?. But when it comes to statements like the following, which form is correct? I don't understand what are you talking about. I don't understand what you are talking about. Anot...

grammar

KitFox

11:51 AM

@Vitaly Do you understand the r-selection part?

Vitaly

That was the easiest part.

KitFox

Well, then "Trunclade" as a made-up name should be no difficulty for you.

Vitaly

I am not a native English speaker. I might have been missing something that could have been obvious to one.

KitFox

On the contrary, I think you divined it right away. "Truncate" + "clade" makes a lot of sense.

I doubt I would have given it that much thought.

Vitaly

> unless you assume that the person who got the vasectomy is the only living descendant of the clade's common ancestor

Do you like depressive hard sci-fi?

KitFox

11:59 AM

If I could read it, I might.

@Vitaly I think you are thinking of it too literally.

Vitaly

Feb 3 '11 at 3:11, by Vitaly

Peter Watts is my top1 favourite sci-fi writer for the following reason: he used dozens of references to academic journals like Science and Nature for his Blindsight

Feb 3 '11 at 3:16, by Vitaly

http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

KitFox

I can't read it. It screws up in my browser.

Vitaly

> Download as PDF, zipped HTML, Brian Gilbert's Mobipocket mix or John Joseph Adams's (with thanks to both), Ellen Herzfeld's e-pub edition (more thanks!), or just read online (below)

rifters.com/real/shorts/PeterWatts_Blindsight.pdf ← the PDF, if your browser can't display the link

KitFox

I think (although I haven't read the story yet) that you should interpret the behavior in the poem as a method of truncating a clade.

I thought Sascha was a boy's name?

And thanks for the pdf. You are always distracting me with books.

Vitaly

I am here to distract you with books. You are welcome.

@KitFox can be both in Russian (and I suppose other Slavic languages): Alexandra, Alexander

KitFox

12:07 PM

Oh. Nice.

I had a Russian friend who liked to be called Sascha. That's how I learned it was a nickname for Alexander. Or maybe Alexei?

Vitaly

Russians named Alexei don't normally like to be called Sashas precisely because it's a hypocoristic form of Alexander. The diminutive of Alexei in Russian would in most cases be Alyosha, though other versions are possible.

KitFox

I see. He must have been an Alexander then.

Robusto

12:31 PM

@MattЭллен You never heard of Francis Ford Copula? He is the entire franchise of The Godfather.

Vitaly

Haha, this guy keeps changing his decks. Rainbow, then Undertakers, then Hover Pods... Oh and now Support Carriers with Elemental.

Robusto

@Vitaly Yes, I can just hear them shouting "Stop using hypocoristic forms of my name, dammit!" Only in Russian.

@Vitaly What is this, the Undertaker faction? That's all i'm seeing.

Well, that is surely the def deck from hell. Also, I wonder if his name is intentionally German: Lichtatem = "light" + "breath"

Vitaly

12:48 PM

Robusto

So I infer from that that we must fight him on fight.

Vitaly

Correct.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto Here I was thinking it rested on the talents of Marlon Transitive Verb

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

good morning all

KitFox

Morning.

Matt Эллен

12:52 PM

hi!

JSBᾶngs

good morning everyone

i'm sad because Wizards banned my favorite cards this morning

Matt Эллен

banned them? How does that work? (I know they're the owner, but still...) Why did they do it?

JSBᾶngs

"banned" in this case means that you can't use them in tournament play

you can still keep them and play them at home

Matt Эллен

I see. Are the cards too powerful?

JSBᾶngs

and they're only banned in ISD Block Constructed, but... i had literally just put a decklist together using the two of these

i'm glad i hadn't paid to buy the missing cards yet

@MattЭллен they're considered too powerful, yes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:57 PM

So on Facebook today the news feed says "<redacted friend's name> likes Celibacy".

KitFox

TMI?

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 good for him! i tried it, but decided it wasn't for me

KitFox

I don't like it, but I haven't figured out how to not do it yet.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's not really for anyone. And I'm sure he doesn't actually want to be celibate.

I wonder what other bizarre "likes" I can find about people.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox me too

JSBᾶngs

12:59 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 sure it's for some people. there are monks, for example.

KitFox

I am in a quagmire. Can I prevail upon my programmer friends for more help?

Matt Эллен

@JSBᾶngs ISD == Innistrad ?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox yes! quagmire!

@MattЭллен correct

Matt Эллен

thanks :)

Robusto

-1

Q: Can "do a haircut" be used colloquially to mean "have a haircut"?

Can do a haircut be used colloquially to mean have a haircut?

grammar

JSBᾶngs

1:00 PM

@Matt you play magic?

Robusto

Someone's going to a lot of trouble nitpicking on comment in a closed question.

Matt Эллен

@JSBᾶngs not for many years

@KitFox yes!

KitFox

Actually, JSB, you're probably the best person to ask. I have this custom control I have been working on. It is a listview that takes a Linq query and two template files.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Nah, I still don't believe that it's for them. The ... "failure" rate is pretty high.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 people can fail at things that are nonetheless part of their vocation. sometimes i'm a really bad parent, for example, but that doesn't mean that "parenting isn't for me"

KitFox

1:03 PM

But now I want to have a button to export the data to Excel, which I can do easily enough, but only if I cast IQueryable(Of LINQtoSQLClass) except that I don't know how to cast it with the correct type, since I would have to derive it.

JSBᾶngs

what class are you using to export to excel?

KitFox

EPPlus library.

They have a LoadFromCollection method that I can use with Linq queries.

JSBᾶngs

give me a second to look at their interface

Robusto

@JSBᾶngs Parenting happens. You're going to fail a lot, but as long as you get the big things right things work out.

KitFox

It occurs to me that I might be better off specifying the output in one of the templates (because I would know the type there), but I am not sure how I would tell the button in the control to talk to the template method.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:07 PM

@JSBᾶngs The difference is that parenting actually achieves something whereas celibacy is just an arbitrary limitation.

KitFox

Parenting theoretically achieves something.

:D

And celibacy proves that you really didn't want to engage in sexual relations anyway.

Robusto

@KitFox Parenting teaches you how to lose gracefully.

KitFox

(Per the rationalization conversation with Cerb the other day.)

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 uh, what? what does that have to do with whether or not some people are meant for celibacy?

Robusto

I wish Rick Santorum's parents had practiced celibacy.

JSBᾶngs

1:10 PM

@KitFox so you have the IQueryable object, right?

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Yes.

JSBᾶngs

and you need to pass it to an API that accepts an ICollection

KitFox

Yes.

But the more I think about it, the more I think I ought to have it talk to the template first.

Damn it.

Stupid brain.

JSBᾶngs

call IQueryable.ToList(), then pass the list to the method

(since a List<T> implements ICollection<T>)

KitFox

I don't have a ToList(), just a ToString().

JSBᾶngs

1:16 PM

if you're using System.Linq, then IQueryable<T> has a .ToList() method

KitFox

I see what you're saying. But I need to know T in order to do that.

JSBᾶngs

what's the actual signature of the method you're invoking?

KitFox

Dim qryData As IQueryable(Of StudentGradeHistory) = dCurrentData

I'm using VB.

Matt Эллен

isn't T inferred? so you make your method generic MyMethod<T> and then pass it any old IQueryable, and the compiler will figure it out?

JSBᾶngs

@MattЭллен this is what i was about to say

@KitFox i meant the signature of the method that creates the Excel doc

KitFox

1:19 PM

If I make it Dim qryData As IQueryable = dCurrentData, I get an error when I load the data.

Matt Эллен

ah

KitFox

ws.Cells("A1").LoadFromCollection(qryData, True) where ws is an ExcelWorksheet.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Wow this is a hilarious story about patents: techlaw.justia.com/2012/03/16/…

JSBᾶngs

ws.Cells("A1").LoadFromCollection(qryData.ToList(), True)

that doesn't work?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

-3

Q: How would you describe the singers in this clip?

How would you describe the singers in the Pet Shop Boys' "Go West"? Are they just gold-blackit or truly blackit?

word-choice vocabulary

Y u no close dit?

JSBᾶngs

1:21 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 i misread "patents" as "parents" at first. hilarity ensued.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightѬſ道 eye trie, no 1 lisen

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs ToList() is not a member of IQueryable.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Yeah I've moved on from that old topic

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox make sure that you both do this and declare qryData As IQueryable(Of StudentGradeHistory)

KitFox

Well, it works without the ToList if it's not generic.

JSBᾶngs

1:25 PM

what exactly is the type expected as the first parameter to LoadFromCollection()?

KitFox

System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable(Of StudentGradeHistory)

(Or whichever type I specify.)

JSBᾶngs

then why can't you just pass in IQueryable(Of StudentGradeHistory) directly? IQueryable(Of T) implements IEnumerable(Of T)

KitFox

Because it might be Of StudentGradeHistory, or Of School, or Of Grade, or whatever other thing I'm listing.

Matt Эллен

do you have Option Infer On?

JSBᾶngs

so what? the compiler's type inference should take care of that for you

@MattЭллен this is a thing that exists in VB.NET? O_o

Matt Эллен

1:30 PM

@JSBᾶngs I just found out about it :)

KitFox

The compiler won't let me not declare my type.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I think that's what option infer is for (I could be wrong)

JSBᾶngs

/me can't believe that there are modern compilers where type inference is an option

KitFox

You weren't joking about Option Infer. Now I am really confused.

This is dumb. This is so dumb. I am the worst programmer ever. bangs head on keyboard

Matt Эллен

nononoo

What is the confusion?

KitFox

1:36 PM

Let's forget the whole thing.

Matt Эллен

never!

JSBᾶngs

    ' When you have a generic type param on your method itself and Option Infer is
    ' on, the compiler will magically fill in whatever type is actually passed. So you
    ' can call the following method with any IQueryable, regardless of the actual (Of
    ' T) that you used.
    Function ExportToExcel(Of T)(IQueryable(Of T) query)
        ' get yer workbook set up here somehow
        wb.Cells("A1").LoadFromCollection(query)
    End Function

    ' Call it like this:
    Dim gradeQuery As IQueryable(Of Grades) = GetGrades()

KitFox

I am just going to figure out how to do it differently.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox no! you're on the right track! you just need to wrap your head around generic types

KitFox

But. But.

JSBᾶngs

1:39 PM

but what?

KitFox

How will I call it with the type if I don't know the type?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSB you'll be surprised to learn, then, that Java doesn't have type inference at all

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 one of many reasons why i use C# and not java

at this point, java is basically C#'s retarded little brother

@KitFox you don't call it with the type

the type is inferred

KitFox

I didn't mean call it. I mean...hmm. Let me think for a minute.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Yeah. It's true in a lot of ways. :(

JSBᾶngs

1:43 PM

i mean, even C++ has generic type inference. is that too hard for java?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Oh, I think Java 7 has that.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 oh, well ok. that's what i was referring to.

Matt Эллен

hugs Haskell mmmmm such a beautiful type system

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But not, say, var X = new String(); // X is now of type string

JSBᾶngs

@MattЭллен tell me about it. i loves me a haskell... though i really ought to learn more of it

@MrShinyandNew安宇 true, i consider that kind of a "bonus" feature

Matt Эллен

1:45 PM

@JSBᾶngs indeed, I have slacked off learning Haskell in favour of other things, but I miss it.

JSBᾶngs

i now have some motivation to dig into it, since one of my favorite writing tools (pandoc) is written in haskell, and i've reached the point where i need to extend it

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs It would seem to me that this sort of feature would be easy to implement.

KitFox

So T is not a defined class.

But I should put this stuff in the template anyway, I've decided.

Saves me a lot of trouble and then each template gets its own happy formatting.

Which it really should anyway.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox more context plz. what method do you get this in, and is that method generic?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox that's right. It's a placeholder for the types that are allowed in your method

KitFox

1:51 PM

@JSBᾶngs The one you gave, which I tinkered with to make it VB.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox hmmm, well there's something i don't quite get about the way generics work in VB, so here i might not be able to help you

there's probably a trivial syntax issue here

KitFox

I don't think it is. I think it is probably a fundamental difference.

Given that typing is different between C# and VB.

JSBᾶngs

void ExportToExcel<T>(IQueryable<T> query)
{
    wb = GetWorkbook();
    wb.Cells("A1").LoadFromCollection(query);
}

maybe you can do the translation

@KitFox the typing syntax is different, but the underlying type systems are in fact almost exactly the same

KitFox

I'm not going to rewrite it in C#, and I'm just going to do it in the template, and wash my hands of it.

Matt Эллен

I think JSBangs meant of his snippet, from c# to VB.net

JSBᾶngs

1:54 PM

@MattЭллен yes

KitFox

I know. I understand. I have tried as much as I can stand in VB, and I'm not going to rewrite it in C#, so I am just going to try something else now.

Matt Эллен

ok

KitFox

Thank you though. I do appreciate it.

I am feeling crotchety because of the code. You all were very nice.

It just makes me feel stupid.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I understand. I'm having the same feeling about my code right. stupid chart.

KitFox

I might could help with charts!

See? I don't get it. This reads properly:

    Public Shared Function GetValueOrDefault(Of T)(ByVal reader As IDataReader, ByVal columnName As String) As T
        Dim returnValue As T = Nothing

    End Function

It's the only thing I've grabbed as a code snippet in VB that works.

Matt Эллен

1:59 PM

I can't figure out how to get the distance between two minor ticks on the axis, and make that be the width of a region

KitFox

What are you using for your chart?

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