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1:25 AM
@tchrist Why did Community delete this question as "spam or offensive"?
@StoneyB Cuz we’re “workin’ on a problem”.
Or a science experiment.
Not at liberty to say more.
@tchrist I will retreat into a discreet silence then.
All will be, if not well, perhaps we hope better.
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3:00 AM
@tchrist It came back, transmuted into the past tense: english.stackexchange.com/questions/362105/…
3:26 AM
@WillHunting So how does it look side by side, next to the American Heritage Dictionary?
4:14 AM
@sumelic I see. Thanks.
4:54 AM
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7:14 AM
You guys keep on the ball for prowlers. I'm off to bed.
7:37 AM
I've been thinking about the word 'openness' tonight. Would you guys say that a willingness to share information is one of the connotations of this word?
(There are many senses of 'openness', but I'm talking about the attitude that people take in their relations with others.)
In relationships, it can be about sharing feelings.
@Tonepoet There are no pictures, and the font is bigger, so it is easier to read.
@ktm5124 You should also check a few dictionaries to see what they say.
7:56 AM
@Tonepoet Oxford said there are no fixed plans for the next editions of the French, German, and Spanish dictionaries. They could not comment on whether the two Italian ones are the same, because the green one is not published by them even though it bears their name. For your info =P
@tchrist That's good to know.
@WillHunting I did check some dictionaries (m-w, Collins, Wiktionary) and it was a little hard to find that connotation which I was looking for — a willingness to share information.
@ktm5124 Yeah. Anyway, I usually don't use Wiktionary because I don't consider it as 'authoritative' =P
Could it also be about sharing what's new in your life?
8:13 AM
@ktm5124 Yes, I think it can.
@ktm5124 For free, big, authoritative dictionaries, I check m-w.com, collinsdictionary.com, ahdictionary.com, and en.oxforddictionaries.com, which are bigger than advanced learner's dictionaries.
@WillHunting Thanks for the recommendations!
@WillHunting Good to know.
@ktm5124 You said you have not been to Europe except for Istanbul. Are you from there?
@WillHunting No, I was born and raised in the US, and I don't have any Turkish descent. I just went there because I was interested in seeing Turkey.
@ktm5124 Aha. I was born and raised in a secret location I refer to as Antarctica in this chat, and I have almost never travelled outside Antarctica.
8:31 AM
That's funny.
8:55 AM
Hello @Araucaria I saw your exchange with Rathony in the other room. Cheer up! =)
9:13 AM
Q: Why is an auxiliary required in "who does Michelle see" but not in "who takes out the garbage"?

LucasIn the sentences: (1) Who takes out the garbage twice a week? (2) Who does Michelle see once a month? Why do we need the auxiliary verb "does" in No. (2) grammatically, instead of saying Who Michelle sees once a month? And what is the difference between the two sentences that m...

Is this title okay? I reduced the examples and used auxiliary as short for auxiliary verb, because I was trying to avoid making it really long. I think auxiliary is fine, but I wasn't 100% sure it was appropriate to shorten the examples.
9:51 AM
@Færd It may also diphthongize as part of the California Vowel Shift, or in Southern American English, or New York City English.
@SmokeDetector I deleted these since the offending messages have been flagged to oblivion but the user should probably be deleted as well. Pinging the European mod because time zones. @MattE.Эллен
Same goes for this one
/æ/ is very long for a lax vowel to begin with.
10:26 AM
Do you say flicking through a dictionary or flipping through a dictionary? I was surprised to learn that both were used.
My subjective impression, which may or may not reflect actual usage, is that flick is a little more specifically a rapid motion.
Which I think fits with the sound symbolism of final /k/ and /p/.
I was just flicking through my copy of the Oxford Dictionary of English.
But I would expect (again, not sure if this reflects actual usage, just my expectation) for flip to be a bit more common, but for there to be an overlap in usage.
Although it has only half the number of definitions as the Collins English Dictionary, it has better definitions and also example sentences.
It might be more common to flick through a magazine than a large hardcover reference work.
It would be a fun question to post on the main site.
10:30 AM
@snailplane Where do you get this idea of sound symbolism from? It is interesting.
Hmm, maybe start with Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_symbolism
I'm not sure which reference to direct you to for English.
Wow, you are erudite. An erudite snail is rare.
An example of sound symbolism would be the onset cluster /gl/, as in glow, glimmer, gleam, glare, glisten, glitter. What do these words have in common?
Also, you sound like a teacher in a classroom, asking questions to stimulate the students.
10:34 AM
I think you will make a very good language teacher.
Do you prefer your dictionaries to have encyclopedic entries or not?
I prefer them not to. Chambers does not include them.
10:54 AM
@terdon ta
11:08 AM
And παρακαλώ!
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1:08 PM
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@WillHunting 'flipping through' is common for any book-like thing, not reading strictly but looking at pages desultory...ly.
'flicking through' is not really a thing. 'flicking' is a finger action, that one may well use to turn pages of a book and you may well use flicking while flipping through a book, but that's not called 'flicking through'.
@ktm5124 Dictionaries don't have every possible metaphorical use mentioned in them. Words can be used for all sorts of purposes that work perfectly well, but the lexicographers haven't (or don't need to) record that usage.
Surely 'openness' can be used for 'willingness to share information'. But that doesn't mean that usage must be an alternate dictionary entry.
@snailplane haha don't let facts get in the way of my opinions.
I would call that a mondegreen usage.
er... eggcorn
ie a mistake.
a common mistake.
google books says that currently flipping through is way more common, but prior to 1940 roughly the same frequency (and looking at examples in mostly the same contexts, reading and going through pages quickly).
1:24 PM
That fits with my expectation that flipping through would be more common.
So why were all those people before 1940 totally insane?
or 1/2 of them?
They didn't say either phrase very much.
some kind of brain infection?
childhood trauma?
That's flipping crazy
lots of metaphors about light and arrows, not as much about pages
Cheap movie flicks.
@MattE.Эллен Impressive. I don't even know what that means!
After seeing the responses on both metas, I am now quite sure that a merger will never happen between ELU and ELL. Nonetheless, I will leave the meta posts there for future generations to consider such a possibility.
The price of the Oxford Paravia Dizionario, green cover, has dropped from 275 USD to 160 USD on Amazon. I am waiting for it to drop further before deciding to get it or not.
1:36 PM
Interestingly, the post has 10 upvotes on ELU meta, but 0 upvotes on ELL meta.
@snailplane Thank you for telling me, since I cannot view this information on ELL with my current rep.
+0 -7 on ELL, +9 -19 on ELU
@snailplane I think a possibility is that the idea of merger has more to do with fixing the problems on ELU than on ELL, since ELL is currently very well managed.
It is something like China seeing Taiwan as part of itself but Taiwan wanting to be independent.
Actually, it can be argued that China is actually part of Taiwan as well.
1:39 PM
@Mitch If you come to Antarctica, I will bring you to eat the best carbonara. It is only 5 USD, and I only recently discovered this place.
Why is it that sometimes when I turn on my laptop, I see a black screen, and I need to restart it to log in? It happens randomly, like once ever twenty attempts to start up.
@snailplane Another possibility is that more people on ELU than ELL know about Will Hunting.
@Mitch I cam across flicking through only this year, when I was reading dictionary reviews on Amazon. The writer of the reviews said he enjoyed flicking through the dictionary.
@WillHunting OMG ... that just happened to me too. One important fact: the battery had totally drained, and I was starting up with it plugged in.
@Mitch Speaking of Light, in some Japanese movies, they read it as lighto, and robot as roboto.
1:46 PM
@WillHunting Yeah, that guy is illiterate.
@WillHunting I think japanese wants every consonant to be followed by a vowel. and no consonant clusters.
@WillHunting I will totally do that. maybe not carbonara though. probably ramen. or other noodles. and some other food.
the whole point to traveling is to eat other food.
@WillHunting so even if mergers or splits don't happen, something good will come out of it, like people not being jerks on ELU.
@Mitch Are there many Americans buying Merriam Webster Unabridged aka Webster's Third? I am just curious.
@WillHunting looks around
@Mitch It's called the coda constraint. Only /Q/ and /N/ work in coda position.
@snailplane Title of the first installment of the next Jason Bourne series: Coda Constraint
1:53 PM
@MetaEd I currently have a bottle of water, but I am afraid there is no symbol for that.
@WillHunting raito and robotto. In Japanese, the most common epenthetic vowel is /u/, and it is inserted after most consonants when borrowing words from other languages that have consonant sequences that are illegal in Japanese phonotactics. However, following /t/ or /d/ the vowel /o/ is usually inserted instead.
@Mitch I am starring in it. I will ask them to include you in the next film.
@WillHunting I have no idea. Isn't that the edition from the 60's?
I don't see anyone buying dictionaries because I am not in a book store.
@Mitch Yes, it is. From 1961.
So straight becomes /sutoreːto/, with /u/ inserted after /s/, but /o/ inserted after /t/.
1:54 PM
I had a MW 3rd but it was ruined when my basement was flooded.
@Mitch Ah, what a shame. Would you consider getting a new copy for yourself?
I also lost a reproduction of the 1st Encyclopedia Britannica. Easily replaceable but still.
@snailplane I can imagine how that sounds!
@WillHunting :-)
@WillHunting I am very satisfied with my Compact Eye-poppingingly Small-Fonted OED
1:56 PM
@Mitch Really? Isn't it out of print?
I use it maybe once a year.
SOmetimes I use the magnifying glass for helping see to get out splinters.
@WillHunting If you want to check your imagination: forvo.com/word/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88/…
@WillHunting maybe the modern reproduction is out of print, I haven't looked lately.
@snailplane LOL
1:59 PM
@Mitch If you really want the OED and don't want to buy the 20 volumes or use a magnifier, consider buying the abridgement Shorter OED which is 2 volumes. It is also pretty updated, being published in 2007. For me, I will stick to my ODE published 2010.
@Mitch I suggest you buy from bookdepository.com. Oh I thought you meant MW.
I use my online library accessible OED for any real questions.
Actually, they have MW Unabridged Online too. I thought Americans prefer that.
@WillHunting all I see in most dictionaries is how they aren't good enough. basic info that should be there but is not. (frequency, formality, collocations) OED does the best though, but that's the point, it's not that good.
The OED is an unparalleled resource for both AmE and BrE.
But I use lots of different dictionaries. It depends on what I want.
2:03 PM
@snailplane Ah, you must be from OUP!
and then some dictionaries I've noticed have been too aggressive at putting metaphorical meanings in when the basic meaning covers it just fine.
I'm hard to please.
Australians like the Macquarie.
@WillHunting Haha! The OED isn't my first choice all the time. There are a lot of good dictionaries for English for different purposes.
I think I mentioned before that it seems Macquarie is only sold in Australia or on Australian sites.
I just wanted to point out that the OED isn't specifically a resource for BrE speakers.
We use it in the U.S. quite a bit, too :-)
2:04 PM
@WillHunting I like googling '[word] definition' because it gives a whole bunch of online dictionaries (which are all so different. Then I pick the one that will support my argument and ignore the one that causes my argument to fall apart
@Mitch Me too. That is my trick for earning some rep.
@WillHunting Time flies like a banana
Has anyone watched the recent film Fantastic Beasts?
Yes, but where do you find all the time flies when you're past your banana capacity?
It's a Harry Potter spinoff, I think.
2:06 PM
@WillHunting Have you?
@Mitch No, not a fan of HP
You're missing out.
During Dec, there are so many movies with Christmas in the title. I think I should watch them all.
No sex. Some minimal implied snogging. You don't want to rile up the teenagers
I don't have any plans to watch a movie this month.
Are there any good ones I'm missing out on?
2:08 PM
@snailplane Not even Rogue One? What are you some kind of communist?
@snailplane Oh? I thought you would find Mario to watch one with, and I can watch with Maria!
What is Rogue One?
Rogue One is a Star Wars spinoff, but I am not a SW fan
2:09 PM
Oh, I'm not particularly into Star Wars either.
how...how.. how dare you
Donnie Yen is the Chinese martial artist in Rogue One. His kung fu is very good. I was his kung fu master.
What is wrong with you people? Have you no shame?
I heard about the Star Wars movie last year though.
I also taught Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan kung fu, shh...
2:10 PM
You guys probably believe that Santa is your parents, which is absyrd.
Actually, I am the Kung Fu Panda, ROFLMAO
@WillHunting I can see where JC gets his sense of humor.
@snailplane what movies have you liked in the past?
I like The Princess Bride.
Yes, that is a good one.
I really like 'A walk to remember'. It is the most romantic movie ever.
2:12 PM
who is in that one?
i fear that someone dies at the end
Just like...
Yes, I can't recall their names.
oops almost gave it away
Also, 'Love everlasting'.
In the first one, the girl dies, and in the second one, the boy dies.
'Tuck everlasting' is a movie made out of a book for middle schoolers
2:14 PM
I like most movies I see. I don't see too many of them, though.
I should make a third one in which both die, and a fourth one in which none dies.
the point of the book is that the main characters find out they can't die. and it's sad because everybody around them dies (naturally)
@WillHunting that sounds like the last scene of Romeo and Juliet where all those scenarios happen.
I mentioned before that I watched the French film 'The piano teacher'.
that's how good Shakespeare was.
It got a little too disgusting for me, a bit too much sex.
2:16 PM
@WillHunting that already sounds horrible. French fils always end with you feeling sorry for the ones who survive.
Isabelle Huppert often stars in movies with lots of sex, but done in an artistic manner.
@WillHunting Have you seen Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain?
@snailplane Nope, but Amelie sounds familiar, maybe I should see it soon.
I think 'Amélie' is an alternate title
I liked it. And it has a memorable soundtrack.
2:18 PM
Sommersturm is my favourite German movie, and Jongens my favourite Dutch movie, both about coming out.
There was a recent movie about a Jewish kid in Germany who gets mistaken for a Nazi and he plays along. When I say recent I mean in the past 30 years.
I didn't like Schindler's List which I finally watched.
So it's the opposite of bittersweet
@WillHunting That's a difficult movie to watch.
@Mitch Because it is in black and white, so it is hard on the eyes
and too long
the car chase scene was terrible. not funny at all
2:20 PM
For Italian movies, I have only watched Stanno Tutti Bene and La Vita E Bella.
I have that on DVD, but I've never watched it.
I've put it off for maybe fourteen years now.
Robert de Niro stars in an English remake of Stanno Tutti Bene
@WillHunting I recommend Il Vitelloni
@snailplane LOL
but that's also black and white
2:21 PM
But I could watch it at any time.
@snailplane just like my Compact OED
but I enjoy just having it.
@Mitch which you consult once a year
sometimes less, sometimes more.
@Mitch It's part of your anti-library.
Sometimes don't you find yourself buying a book that you really want to read, and then years later you notice you haven't read it?
2:23 PM
If I don't become a mathematician, I might be able to be a singer, I don't know.
I have a stack next to my bed like that.
My living space is covered with stacks of books :-)
also, you buy a book and then you go to put it with the rest and you notice you already have a copy
I have not yet bought a third copy unknowingly.
I cleared my old books and started building a new library this year. It is now complete.
@Mitch Yes! Although sometimes I knowingly buy second or third copies, either due to lending or because I used up my books.
2:24 PM
@snailplane my aspirational library
I know use up will make some people cringe at the thought of books being treated poorly.
And it's true. I mistreat books. I bend their spines and everything.
How about 'I did my books'? LOL
@snailplane I know exactly where the lent books are. I hope they enjoyed not reading it and then not returning it.
@Mitch Haha!
I never lend out a book unless I don't mind never seeing it again.
Was that enough negatives?
also, I once asked someone if I could borrow a book. They said 'no, because, (they) don't want to lose it'
You can do that? Refuse?
2:26 PM
@snailplane I understood it instantly
I'll lend out any book that isn't rare or expensive.
I will lend it to close friends.
I have several friends that are really good about returning books.
If they lose it, they just buy me a new copy.
@snailplane we know what you meant to mean. Frankly I'm not reading words anyway. If see you respond I just guess based on two or three keywords.
2:28 PM
I gave a couple of old books away, signed too, lol.
My books are like friends. So if I lend a book, it's like this other person has my friend. It makes everyone uncomfortable.
My library now has exactly 66 books, the number of books in the Protestant bible.
The bible is in my library, and I count it as 1 book
2:29 PM
New Testament or Old? or both?
@WillHunting I have very few signed books.
@snailplane I mean that I signed them before giving, LOL
I have some that were gifts from people who got them signed for me.
@Mitch Together, 27 + 39 = 66
The Bible is like its own Shakespeare library. Histories, comedies, tragedies
@WillHunting do you have Knuth's "3:16"?
2:31 PM
I now write my name on the first paper in each book
@Mitch No. I have 1 TeX book, which is More Math Into LaTeX. That's it
@Mitch "Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do."
@WillHunting In "3:16", Knuth takes the 16th verse of the 3rd chapter of every book in the bible and gives (1 page) commentary.
@tchrist That's Ecclesiastes 3:16
3:10 PM
@Mitch "Email is a wonderful thing for people whose role in life is to be on top of things. But not for me; my role is to be on the bottom of things. What I do takes long hours of studying and uninterruptible concentration."
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6:39 PM
Google now stores the picture you upload for your profile under Pictures in Google Drive. For your info, please.
9:33 PM
Q: What's the name of that "ahh"?

Dog LoverI was watching an episode of Seinfeld today and quite humorously Elaine recalled a time that she 'had to' drop a class because of a guy who would go "ahh" after every sip of coffee. Is there a name for that breathy "ahh" that's sort of like a relaxed sigh?

Reminded me of:
"The name of the song is called 'Haddocks' Eyes'."
"Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?" Alice said, trying to feel interested.
"No, you don't understand," the Knight said, looking a little vexed. "That is what the name is *called*. The name really *is* 'The Aged Aged Man'."
"Then I ought to have said 'That's what the song is *called*?' Alice corrected herself.
"No, you oughtn't: that's quite another thing! The *song* is called 'Ways And Means': but that's only what it's called, you know!"
"Well, what *is* the song, then?" said Alice, who was by this time completely bewildered.
"I was coming to that," the Knight said. "The song really *is* 'A-sitting On A Gate': and the tune's my own invention."
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11:01 PM
Perhaps not the most suitable for this website, but I thought you might still be able to give me some advice. I've applied for a fancy internship at a research institute, and in my application I addressed the professor as Dear Professor X. He has now responded to my application and given me the position, and he signed with his first name. In my response to that, do I now address him by his first name even though I've never met him? He's rather important academically and it just feels off.
11:20 PM
@user129412 Yes, that is a difficult situation.
Normally, one addresses the other person by his first name if that is what he signed his letter with.
However, we can't be sure that that was this professor's intention, that he is aware of that convention.
Being more formal than would be normal in a certain situation is perhaps not ideal, but it can't do much harm.
So that is what I would do.
Better too formal than too informal.

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