English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

TIPS

7:00 PM

@Cerberus Well. There is a vista, and a beautiful scenery. What I'm complaining about is just some crap on the ground.

Cerberus

Heh.

Tonepoet

@Mitch The banality of it is one thing and probably his chief complaint. My complaint is that the metaphors have become so comparatively empty.

TIPS

@Mitch Are you trying to make me read the reviews?

@Tonepoet Well, not many people wrote back then either.

Cerberus

Don't we all feel that our fellow countrymen are superficial and have bad taste? Still, they also have good qualities. And no doubt some others might say the same about us.

TIPS

More people write, or type, actually, so the quality, the neologisms, the metaphors, basically everything would degrade in quality.

Mitch

7:02 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's a hard burden to carry. Wait..it's a hard road to travel... nope ... it's just plain hard to compete with a classic (I didn't particularly care for the first one. Sorry.)

Cerberus

@Tonepoet Okay, you're basically talking about the lazy and/or wrong use of metaphors?

Then I agree.

And so does Fowler.

Tonepoet

Basically yes.

Færd

The logic behind those pictures seems to me to be the same as that of the go topless movement.

Cerberus

@TIPS Absolutely. But I think it's a fair price to pay for what we gain.

Mitch

@TIPS I've been fairly successful at not reading reviews. I sometimes have to close my eyes and ears when previews at other movies come on.

Cerberus

7:03 PM

@Færd Oh? That sounds...interesting.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Yeah it's difficult for a remake to compete with nostalgia. But this new movie was just so fun.

Tonepoet

@TIPS The internet is amazing isn't it?

TIPS

@Cerberus This again takes me back to that Mark Manson blog post I read yesterday. He's right. It's not that the world is the depressing place it looks like. It's that we just think more, and know more.

Cerberus

I don't think the world is a depressing place?

TIPS

@Cerberus I sometimes prefer quantity over quality.

Cerberus

7:03 PM

Or rather, it is less depressing that it's ever been.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Færd i.e. flipping arbitrary gender rules to point out the absurdity?

TIPS

@Cerberus Neither do I. He was referencing all this recent panicking about terrorism and all that.

Cerberus

@TIPS I'm talking about the advantages of emancipation.

Mitch

@Cerberus Switch places. DOn't tell anybody else, or they'll switch places too and then you'll be in a foreign country with people you thought you were avoiding. Awkward and difficult to read the labels on food in the grocery store.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch yeah like when I'm trying to read ingredient labels in Aruba.

TIPS

7:04 PM

Well, there are gems out there @Tone. Arguably, more than ever before.

Look at good writing.

Cerberus

@TIPS Good. People are not good at placing things in perspective. I sometimes put away my newspaper too, because of all the bad news, to remember how many things are going well.

Færd

@Cerberus Why? They're of the same nature. If all the governments were Islamic ones, there wouldn't be a go topless movement at all, but a go scarf-less one.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I have food allergies! And a kid with different-than-me allergies! Thank Google for Google Translate.

TIPS

@Cerberus Yah

Cerberus

@Mitch With someone from another country? I don't know, I'd rather not do that to them...

@Færd I am not familiar with this movement.

TIPS

7:06 PM

@Mitch where are you switching places?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus They are trying to have laws changed to allow female toplessness.

TIPS

Moves to wherever @Mitch is

Færd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is it the whole point of that movement to point out an absurdity?

Cerberus

If this is about women in Europe who want to be allowed to bare their breasts in public places, then I say, why not?

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I thought the main characters were mostly funny in the 2nd one. lots of improv (which can fall flat). some good lines. didn't care about the cameos.

or the scene where everybody dies.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:07 PM

@Mitch When you say "the 2nd one"... do you mean Ghostbusters 2?

or the 2016 remake

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't really see any real problem in topless women.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's in the US, I think

TIPS

Well, I can't make myself like Ghostbusters.

Do I need some help?

Cerberus

It's just that I would never go out topless in public either.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Færd No, I mean specifically their tactic of making men wear bikini tops at their protests

Cerberus

7:08 PM

So it would be hard for me to show solidarity.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know! It's the worst. Dutch mixed up with shudder even worse.

Færd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh the methods. Yeah.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What languages are they in?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Færd I mean, the reason for pointing out the absurdity is to get the rules changed

Cerberus

No English?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:09 PM

@Cerberus Dutch.

also Spanish.

Cerberus

OK.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There ARE some products in English. But not everything.

@TIPS The original, or the remake?

Cerberus

Well, it's part of the fun of travelling, isn't it, looking up words in a dictionary?

I found puzzling with the language very enjoyable in e.g. Russia and Turkey.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus The reason I go to Aruba is to relax, not worry about whether a mistranslation will kill my child.

Cerberus

Now, now.

Færd

7:10 PM

But that doesn't make much sense to me. As a joke, or an expression of opposition, OK, but do you really think a man in a bikini and a woman in a bikini are the same?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm not exaggerating.

Cerberus

What food would kill your child??

Mitch

@TIPS Antarctica. Surprisingly affordable.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus He's deadly allergic to eggs.

Cerberus

Oh, I see.

TIPS

7:10 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I haven't seen the remake, but remakes are always disappointing in some way.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@TIPS This one is not.

TIPS

@Mitch Will you bike to Antarctica?

Cerberus

Well, a dictionary works?

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 sorry, unclear. the 2016 remake

TIPS

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is . . . indeed weird.

Cerberus

7:11 PM

Or you could ask someone who works in the shop.

Mitch

@Cerberus Beauty is only skin deep. Ugly goes to the bone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Yeah. So, then, I agree, the cameos didn't add much. Except the one balloon cameo that squashed them, I thought that was fitting.

Mitch

You should see a full body MRI. Those are cool

Cerberus

Uhh...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@TIPS Actually Hollywood has a long history of remaking certain films.

Look at Dracula, Frankenstein, mummy movies,

standard heist films

mysteries

TIPS

7:12 PM

Man of steel

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

horror movies

Superhero origin stories

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hm... different strokes I guess. Literally!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It stands to reason that some of the remakes are bound to be better than the originals.

Filmmaking is not a static craft, it keeps changing.

@Cerberus That won't help when they are Chinese immigrants who speak neither Dutch, nor Spanish, nor English.

Mitch

@TIPS Is that a requirement for you? I'm sure some accommodation can be made.

@Cerberus I think I'd prefer a public works

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hulk and spiderman each a bout four or five times in the course of a decade

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch yeah. And honestly, a lot of the old superhero movies were crap.

Superhero movies keep getting made, but they also keep improving.

Not monotonically, but still.

Mitch

7:16 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I didn't know until recently that Bill Murray inprov'd the line 'They're toast' to mean they'll be destroyed. I think that's something.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK then a dictionary it is.

Mitch

Also the line about dogs and cats marrying. Hilarious

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus seriously like 90% of the grocery stores in Aruba are operated by the Chinese.

Mitch

Because dogs are so different from cats.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's odd.

@Mitch Do you mean, "Alright. This chick is TOAST!"

Mitch

7:17 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 monotonously.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch monotonologically

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ha ha. shouldn't have tried a line in front of an expert. Yes, probably that line.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I've heard similar about Egypt.

convenience stores

they don't bother trying to learn arabic

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm not exaggerating. When I moved into my condo, we set up our TV but the speakers were in a box and its built-in sound was broken. I turned on the TV and Ghostbusters was on. Everyone (who helped us move) was eating pizza, and I provided the dialogue for the movie.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm the Chinese are indeed industrious.

I saw someone had researched that, recently.

TIPS

@Mitch Words to live by.

Cerberus

7:19 PM

They actually do work harder.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's just odd, because in Aruba, you never ever see Chinese people anywhere outside the grocery stores. Like, zero, zip, zilch. Not at all.

Cerberus

Because they're always working?

But, yes, they probably live in Chinese neighbourhoods?

I live in Chinatown, and I do see many Chinese-looking people walking around. And I mean people who live here, not tourists, of which just as large a part are east-Asian.

Færd

> Parking here is allowed.

> It's allowed.

> It's allowed to park here.

Doesn't the third sentence sound strange?

It does to me, but I don't know why.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus But I've been to the island many times. I've never ever seen any Chinese locals, except in the shops.

I see other locals.

Just not Chinese ones.

Cerberus

@Færd It is 100% idiomatic, but it is indeed a somewhat odd construction.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could it be that you have just not visited the Chinese neighbourhoods?

I'm just hypothesising.

Do EU food laws apply on Aruba?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:25 PM

sure, it could be. But considering the number of Chinese groceries I see.... it's just weird. No Canadian city that I know of has the number of Chinese shops but simultaneously a totally invisible Chinese population.

Cerberus

Or just some parts of Dutch law?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I dunno.

Færd

@Cerberus I guess in 98% of the cases you would here You're not allowed to park here instead of the third one.

Cerberus

It sounds odd indeed.

@Færd I don't know, signs are often indirect/impersonal?

Færd

That's why I compared a full sentence with a full sentence.

Signs are often not full sentences.

Cerberus

7:27 PM

Indeed not.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 nice. I've never had that talent, (remembering lines). I'm better at laughing at inappropriately not funny moments in a movie.

Cerberus

I think signs often avoid "you"?

I'd have to think about it.

Færd

books.google.com/ngrams/…

Cerberus

Odd.

Mitch

Or pointing out afterwards that that beautiful heartwarming children's movie was totally racist, perpetuating the hegemony through crushingly outdated stereotypes perpetuated in the halloween costumes produced based on the show. Also did you hear about the director abusing the unions? Terrible I know

Cerberus

7:31 PM

You forgot one "perpetuated".

Mitch

@Færd remove caps

Cerberus

NOU

Færd

Why? I want to make sure that the begin their sentences.

TIPS

@Færd That ngram bug is so damn annoying

Mitch

@Cerberus ?? where? I should fix that.

@Færd trust me, just try it.

Tonepoet

7:32 PM

@Mitch Uncle Remus was too happy for his own good apparently

Færd

@TIPS Do you think it's a bug?

Cerberus

@Mitch You have only 2. Everything over 1 needs to be 3.

Mitch

@Tonepoet Well fed. What worries could he have had?

TIPS

@Færd The fact that the link you put is broken? Sure

Færd

@Mitch books.google.com/ngrams/…

Mitch

7:33 PM

@Cerberus checks rule book

Huh. Well I'll be!

TIPS

@Mitch That he might not find a rare pokemon ever.

Færd

@TIPS Huh. I misunderstood you. But others were able to see it.

Tonepoet

@Mitch Chocolate rain.

TIPS

@Færd Nope, only by searching themselves.

Mitch

books.google.com/ngrams/…

TIPS

7:34 PM

The bug isn't local to my machine.

@Mitch WHAT TRICKERY IS THIS?

Mitch

@Tonepoet anxiously looks at sky

Færd

@TIPS Do you mean that you have to hit the search button yourself? That has happened to me too.

Mitch

You bastard.

@TIPS brushes off lapel

sniffs brandy snifter

Færd

What trickery?

Mitch

gags from smell of brandy

Cerberus

7:36 PM

What bug?

Færd

That Ngram links don't work properly.

Ohh I see it now.

gotta bounce

Yes, weird!

@Færd When you click on the link, you find that Ngram hasn't found valid plots for "It<some Unicode oddities>s not allowed . . .".

Mitch

7:36 PM

lviiir

TIPS

CC @Cerb

Cerberus

Yes, I saw it just now.

Silly Google.

TIPS

I thought this was a fairly known bug. Or @Snail made it look like that. Or I take her to mean that.

Færd

Yes. And you hit the search button and it'll be solved.

Tonepoet

@Mitch Can you prove that I was conceived out of wedlock? =P

Cerberus

7:38 PM

Perhaps I have encountered it before but just did not store it in memory?

Færd

I remember I have.

ktm5124

Does this sound idiomatic? "Hope you had a rewarding vacation."

I feel like most people say "nice vacation", but that sounds too automatic.

TIPS

@Færd Ja, but bug is bug. One day, we'll feel too lazy to move the cursor up there.

Cerberus

It sounds a bit like a self-help book, but otherwise idiomatic?

Færd

I don't think everything have to sound idiomatic to be correct.

Cerberus

7:40 PM

True.

As long as it doesn't sound anidiomatic.

ktm5124

self-help book? I hope not! :)

Cerberus

"Rewarding".

"I've learned a lot from the failed merger."

"I see being sacked as a challenge."

Etc.

TIPS

@Cerberus *abidiomatic

Disidiomatic

Cerberus

That is neither Greek nor correct!

TIPS

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Færd

7:43 PM

Maybe "rewarding" goes better with a fancier word than "vacation"; "journey", "expedition" or something.

TIPS

iiidiomatic

Imidiomatic

Cerberus

You've belonged to the Seleucid empire, you should know this better than I.

@Færd barf

disappears

TIPS

Rewarding barf? Oh yeah

Why didn't I think of that before?

Cerberus

Because you have only one head, two tops?

Bai!

TIPS

No, because my positive is located on my silicon.

ktm5124

7:46 PM

@Faerd That's a good point.

TIPS

Everything silicon betrays you.

Be it Skynet, or a tiny atom.

ktm5124

My problem with "nice" is that it's overused. But "rewarding" seems a little too fancy. What are some good ways to complete this sentence? ("Hope you had a ____ vacation.")

I guess "fun" would work here.

Færd

pleasant?

happy?

delightful?

TIPS

@ktm5124 fun?

@ktm5124 jinx

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Angry Scottish People Saying Real Words Maybe

►

Færd

7:51 PM

I got my adjectives from these two charts: goo.gl/IrH0Vu , goo.gl/UHdW27

TIPS

Promo or not, I don't feel someone should get this rep for just quoting yourself. Also why I brought this up to attention — DarkBee 8 hours ago

Is this use of indefinite "yourself" strictly grammatical?

Or is the problem with the sentence a semantic one, if any exists?

Færd

@TIPS I didn't, okay? I didn't mean to make any judgment of that kind.

(Just didn't want to have it on my conscience when I'm about to go to the dreamland.)

TIPS

@Færd Heh, you're a good man.

Færd

Nighty night.

TIPS

Night!

If I sleep later than a grown-up man, does it mean I've grown up?

Tonepoet

8:01 PM

I wonder how many dictionary definitions use "Of or pertaining to" to define adjectives?

I mean it seems like the boilerplate definition, so to speak.

Cerberus

Yes, because that's just what most adjectives derived from a noun do: "I'm an adjective and I have something do with this noun".

@ktm5124 Good?

Tonepoet

@Cerberus Part of my point is that it appears in that exact form very often, in multiple dictionaries. You might also see "relating to ____" but if I had to guess, I would say it's not as often.

TIPS

@Tonepoet At least 10,000 in LDOCE.

Or LCDOE

Or whatever that acronym really was. Is.

Tonepoet

8:18 PM

Hmm, Longman's Dictionary of Contemporary English looks like it'd be initialized L.D.C.E. to me...

Cerberus

@Tonepoet Yes, certainly.

Tonepoet

"…: Adjective Of or pertaining to …" could be a tee-shirt for dictionary nerds.

Cerberus

Yay!

TIPS

@Tonepoet Now I want a dict.SE swag

ktm5124

8:35 PM

@Færd Thanks! I didn't know ngrams had that feature. Very helpful.

Cerberus

He's good with Ngrams!

ktm5124

Yeah :)

@Cerberus This is a non sequitur, but do you feel like knowing Greek has given you a better understanding of English?

That's one of the things I like about learning Latin.

Cerberus

8:51 PM

Well, yes.

ktm5124

In what way?

I know the history of how Latin ended up in English, but I don't know much about Greek's influence.

Cerberus

It gives some insight into words of Greek descent: what they mean (you will know what they mean without having ever seen them).

And pronunciation sometimes.

Especially among the more difficult words (difficult for native speakers of English, like technical and literate), it helps if you know Greek.

It also helps you understand the history/etymology of words better. You have more to compare things with.

ktm5124

Interesting. Yeah, when I find time I want to read my book (From Alpha to Omega).

Cerberus

Lastly, many of the greatest English writers knew Greek, so you will be better able to view their language through their eyes.

Good!

ktm5124

Like "catalogue" is a word I recently came across that has Greek descent.

Cerberus

8:54 PM

Yup.

ktm5124

I just double-checked this, but it seems like "catalogue" is easy to spot because it comes from "logos".

"Prologue" would be another word from that root.

(Trying to think of more...)

Cerberus

Lexicon?

Anthology?

3 hours ago, by Cerberus

Lexicon is from Greek lego "talk", but the verb can also mean—and originally meant—collect.

I was just talking about that a few hours ago!

ktm5124

Oh, cool!

And it arrived in Latin via Greek: lego, legere, lexi, lectus

Cerberus

Perhaps, but the word lexicon was formed in Greek, then translitterated into Latin.

It did not come from Latin lego.

ktm5124

I get the sense that, while there is no beginning on the chain of PIE languages, Ancient Greek is the first link that has substantial written records.

Cerberus

9:03 PM

It depends on what you consider substantial, but you're more or less right.

ktm5124

The first linguistic link is Proto Indo European, but Ancient Greek is the first link in Western culture.

Cerberus

In Western culture, certainly.

But there some old Hittite sources.

And probably also in some Indo-Iranian languages.

Like Sanskrit.

ktm5124

Right, maybe I oversimplified.

There's also Sanskrit, Hebrew, and Aramaic, right?

These are other "first links" that became the language for lasting cultures.

Cerberus

Those aren't Indo-European.

Sanskrit is.

> While the earliest parts of the Samaveda are believed to date from as early as the Rigvedic period, the existing compilation dates from the post-Rigvedic Mantra period of Vedic Sanskrit, c. 1200 or 1000 BCE, but roughly contemporary with the Atharvaveda and the Yajurveda.[5]

ktm5124

Oh, I see.

I guess Ancient Greek and Sanskrit are the first links.

(I'm starting to sound a bit ridiculous.)

But it does justify my desire to learn Greek :)

Cerberus

9:11 PM

> Anitta reigned in the 17th century BC (short chronology) and is the author of the Anitta text (CTH 1.A, edited in StBoT 18, 1974),[3] the oldest known text in the Hittite language (and the oldest known Indo-European text altogether). This text seems to represent a cuneiform record of Anitta's inscriptions at Kanesh, perhaps compiled by Hattusili I, one of the earliest Hittite kings of Hattusa.

The Anitta text indicates that Anitta's father conquered Neša (Kanesh, Kültepe), which became an important city within the kingdom of Kussara.[4] During his own reign, Anitta defeated Huzziya, the …

The Hittite corpus is not huge, but it is there.

ktm5124

I see. Yeah, I think I am being exclusive in my desire to simplify ;)

Cerberus

But, yes, Greek is infinitely more important in Western history and thought!

Also much more important than Sanskrit.

ktm5124

How do you say "I want to learn Greek" in Latin? ... Volo discere Graecum?

Cerberus

I'm not sure whether they would use the neuter singular.

Linguam Graecam?

This dagger was found, with the name Anitta inscribed upon it.

ktm5124

I see. Linguam graecam discere volo.

Cerberus

9:15 PM

It's cool that we have found a dagger belonging to the author of the oldest text in a Indo-European language.

Sounds good!

ktm5124

Oh, cool. I never knew about Anitta. Glad you shared.

Cerberus

Neither did I...

Or at least I didn't remember.

ktm5124

Sounds like he was a philosopher king.

Cerberus

But you made me research the Hittite corpus.

Well, more like a Caesar.

Describing his own victories.

ktm5124

Hehe

Cerberus

9:22 PM

> Το πέπλο μυστικότητας των διατλαντικών συμφωνιών TTIP, CETA και TISA επιχειρεί να σηκώσει η ελληνική Βουλή συστήνοντας ad hoc Επιτροπή.

I saw this in an article in New Greek.

At least the Latin is intelligible!

ktm5124

9:52 PM

Hehe

Is that a magazine? Do they have an online version?

My boss just said to me, "I've been in this business for 20 years, and it's a small job." She was referring to updating the indexes on a table. I disliked the attitude behind this statement... and I'm trying to name my feelings.

Would you call it "condescending"? "patronizing"?

Cerberus

@ktm5124 Some newspaper, I only read the snippet in Google News.

@ktm5124 Perhaps she meant her own job in this business.

It does sound condescending.

And perhaps insolent?

Is it mainly the fact that she claims to know things about your field that bothers you?

Or that she was telling you that your job is easy?

Or that she misjudged how much work it really is?

What word you choose depends on which aspect of her attitude you want to describe.

ktm5124

I see.

I guess it was a few things. First, that my immediate boss (she's actually his boss, the boss of my boss) told me to wait until tomorrow.

Mitch

10:09 PM

@Tonepoet I probably need to say at this point that I am only joking around. If I am using language that is hurtful to you I apologize and won't do it any more.

ktm5124

She resented the fact that I was holding off until tomorrow, but that's what my boss told me to do.

Tonepoet

If I felt hurt, I'd say so or I'd just leave, so don't worry about it. XP

ktm5124

Second, I did feel like she was telling me my job is easy, and she did misjudge the amount of work.

Cerberus

@ktm5124 Did you tell her that you had been asked to wait?

@ktm5124 That's super annoying, and hard to speak up against.

ktm5124

I believe I told her right away, but I might be misremembering. I definitely told her eventually, and she said "Alright", but not without sounding really disappointed.

Cerberus

10:12 PM

She sounds annoying.

ktm5124

She's wonderful when she's happy; but when she's unhappy, I feel like she can be passive aggressive.

Cerberus

But perhaps she did understand it and no longer blames you.

Ah, that kind of person.

Do you feel that you have to do something, or will you just grind your teeth and move on?

If it is any consolation, you are very unlikely to be the first person to experience this kind of behaviour from her, so other people probably share your opinion of her.

ktm5124

I'm proud of how I responded. I immediately called my boss and told him that she wants this done quickly. He gave me the green light to work on it right now.

Cerberus

Good, good.

Mitch

@ktm5124 She probably feels 'exasperated'

ktm5124

10:14 PM

I didn't complain to him about her, I just told him matter-of-factly that she wanted it done sooner.

Cerberus

If it doesn't bother you too much, it's probably best to just move on, as you did.

Yes.

And he will probably guess how she told you, knowing her character...

ktm5124

Yeah, maybe he did.

Thanks for your feedback

Mitch

chain of command is weird nowadays

it used to be lock step, you only discuss with your direct superiors and direct reports, and outside of that is either going 'over my head' or 'undermining my authority' for the middle manager.

but any way it would have been more courteous to word the request differently.

ktm5124

10:37 PM

@Mitch Yeah. I work in a small group, so I talk with both my boss and my boss's boss. It often leaves me feeling conflicted on what to do.

You know, the more I shore up my vocabulary, the more imperfections I realize in the people around me!

Cerberus

11:08 PM

I wonder why they have just a tall hierarchy in a small group, then?

Guess.

Mitch

11:25 PM

@Cerberus # redheads

Cerberus

@Mitch Ding! Did you cheat?

Mitch

Haha no. I wasn't sure because I thought the welsh weren't red headed, and o thought there'd be more in Scandinavia and 'near' Russia

Cerberus

Well, you were quick, then!

I'm not sure whether I would have guessed.

Mitch

Question: we're the overlords that created the Danelaw in northern England from the current Denmark or from Norway? Or were they Vikings?(whatever that means)

@Cerberus wait... How would one cheat?

Google image search?

Cerberus

Yes.

@Mitch You're stating that we're the overlords, but you end with a question mark?

Mitch

11:30 PM

Also I've been thinking about the 'red headed' problem lately.

Like why aren't they just blond?

Argh we're -> were

Cerberus

I think the Vikings lived in Norway and Denmark. I'm not sure from whence they fared to English; perhaps from both regions?